Power - If you had to choose a single fighter...

[Russell]

In the P4P sense, who would it be?

Who, pound for pound, is the single most powerful puncher of all time? And why?

[Stewbear]

Lennox Lewis the hardest hitter ever.
p4p Hearns and Jackson come to mind

[Swedish81]

Of the fighters I've seen footage of my pick would be Julian Jackson. He left his opponents out cold more than once with just one punch.

[chambers80]

Prince Naseem? We all know his flaws but that boy had some seriously bang.

[Russell]

Of the fighters I've seen footage of my pick would be Julian Jackson. He left his opponents out cold more than once with just one punch.

Besides Graham, who of note did Jackson leave out absolutely cold?

[theHawtness]

paul malignaggi!!!

[Luigi1985]

Henry Armstrong

[Manassa]

Bob Foster.

[mcvey]

Bob Foster.
Of the 175 boys we all say Foster yet Moore took out rated Heavies and Bob never did ,curious,how do you define power?weve had many threads on it,the raw clubbing type,ie Foreman ,Bruno,the spectacular one shot -curtains ie Foster,Ill go with Louis,though Liston ,Baer,Marciano,Foreman may have had more impact with their delivery,kos over Paychek,B Baer ,Uzcudon,Braddock ,look the biz to me.

[Nick Balsamo]

Henry Armstrong

Wrong ! Henry Armstrong was a volume puncher. He never turned the lights out with only one punch.

Julian Jackson and Bob Foster are good choices.

[JohnThomas1]

Wrong ! Henry Armstrong was a volume puncher. He never turned the lights out with only one punch.

Julian Jackson and Bob Foster are good choices.

Hank has underrated power from his earlier days at lower weights. Make no mistake, he could bang.

[pjo479]

mike tyson

[bigG]

benn, mclelland.....max baer right hand???

[Manassa]

Of the 175 boys we all say Foster yet Moore took out rated Heavies and Bob never did ,curious,how do you define power?weve had many threads on it,the raw clubbing type,ie Foreman ,Bruno,the spectacular one shot -curtains ie Foster,Ill go with Louis,though Liston ,Baer,Marciano,Foreman may have had more impact with their delivery,kos over Paychek,B Baer ,Uzcudon,Braddock ,look the biz to me.

Foster likely hit harder than Moore, but his power wasn't as well applied. For instance, against bigger opponents, Foster wouldn't sit down on his punches because he needed to move. Against someone like the evasive Folley, he couldn't land his punches. Terrell clinched the life out of Foster. Ali was just plain tough.

[fists of fury]

Besides Graham, who of note did Jackson leave out absolutely cold?

He flattened Terry Norris too. Honestly, nearly half his KO's were count-outs.
I don't think anyone can question his power at all.

Either he, or Tommy Hearns as a welter would be my choices.

[thunder06]

rocky marciano.

[jonesjrp4p1]

without question definitley maxie rosenbloom idk why his nickname was "slapsie" haha

[Vantage_West]

Henry Armstrong:verysad power not workrate he knocked guys down but it wasnt by the one shot it was by figting after 10 rounds of constant pressure

[JohnThomas1]

:verysad power not workrate he knocked guys down but it wasnt by the one shot it was by figting after 10 rounds of constant pressure

So Hank didn't have impressive power based stoppages at his lower weights?

[Vantage_West]

i has said this for ages and i will always say it's julian jackson his power was truly awful. he knocked norris out with one punch woke him up with another then put him back to sleep with the last.
he made the rock hard chinned mcCallum do a judah dance.
you gota remember that his power was so feared that few people dared touch him. the only men to fight him from a better vantage would be terry norris who was an amazing welter gereld mcCllelen the hard hitting middlewieght who would get a mention in power. and mike mcCAllum.

all these men were MEN who were brave enough to fight him

[Vantage_West]

So Hank didn't have impressive power based stoppages at his lower weights?look man anyone can ko anyone doesnt matter what rate of chin and power.

hanks one shot power isnt as good as the resat of coarse he could knock guys out with one punch but it wasnt because of his one shot power it was becuase of his pressure that gained the knockout...of course he would get a count out in the early rounds. he wasnt featherfisted by no means but to say he has better power than jackson ,mcClellen ,foster ,lewis,luois,foreman,shavers.

good power but not the hardest puncher p4p by no means

[Holmes' Jab]

Julian Jackson. :good

[JohnThomas1]

look man anyone can ko anyone doesnt matter what rate of chin and power.

hanks one shot power isnt as good as the resat of coarse he could knock guys out with one punch but it wasnt because of his one shot power it was becuase of his pressure that gained the knockout...of course he would get a count out in the early rounds. he wasnt featherfisted by no means but to say he has better power than jackson ,mcClellen ,foster ,lewis,luois,foreman,shavers.

good power but not the hardest puncher p4p by no means

I wasn't talking about ranking him with those guys, i'm just saying that at his best he's a fair bit better than the accumulation puncher some of you bracketed him as. I can't believe i got no support on the matter :(

Maybe i overrate him.

[Luigi1985]

I wasn't talking about ranking him with those guys, i'm just saying that at his best he's a fair bit better than the accumulation puncher some of you bracketed him as. I can't believe i got no support on the matter :(

Maybe i overrate him.


No, you´re right, look, like you correctly wrote HH was an impressive and murderous puncher at his natural lower weights, it seems to be that some people here just think of him as a 147 lbs., but that wasn´t his natural weight. Some here pick Julian Jackson, sure, a fighter with great one-punch-power, but who did he KO´ed? Graham, Cardamone? Not the sort of fighters HH KO´ed brutally...

[Luigi1985]

look man anyone can ko anyone doesnt matter what rate of chin and power.

hanks one shot power isnt as good as the resat of coarse he could knock guys out with one punch but it wasnt because of his one shot power it was becuase of his pressure that gained the knockout...of course he would get a count out in the early rounds. he wasnt featherfisted by no means but to say he has better power than jackson ,mcClellen ,foster ,lewis,luois,foreman,shavers.

good power but not the hardest puncher p4p by no means


:lol:


Foreman and Shavers KO´d 99 % bums for example, than we could also take Don Steele or Ed Mahone as great examples of one-punch-power. Don´t look always at boxrec at the KO-%...

[JohnThomas1]

No, you´re right, look, like you correctly wrote HH was an impressive and murderous puncher at his naturalt lower weights, it seems to be that some people here just think of him as a 147 lbs., but that wasn´t his natural weights. Some here pick Julian Jackson, sure, a fighter with great one-punch-power, but who did he KO´ed? Graham, Cardamone? Not the sort of fighters HH KO´ed brutally...


Thanks mate, and nice post too i must say.


For a split second i thought i might see you mentioning Roldan as your pick!

:D

[Luigi1985]

Thanks mate, and nice post too i must say.


For a split second i thought i might see you mentioning Roldan as your pick!

:D



:lol:


No. But with Roldon I simply meant he had a harder punch if he landed on his opponent than some much better fighters. But he lacked the speed/technique most great fighters had/ have...

[JohnThomas1]

:lol:


No. But with Roldon I simply meant he had a harder punch if he landed on his opponent than some much better fighters. But he lacked the speed/technique most great fighters had/ have...

I'm still not agreeing he was a KO merchant. A clubbing merchant yes, but not a spark outcold man. His power IMO pales to a Hearn's, Valdez and co.

[Luigi1985]

I'm still not agreeing he was a KO merchant. A clubbing merchant yes, but not a spark outcold man. His power IMO pales to a Hearn's, Valdez and co.


If he was able to land he did a lot of damage. Unfortunately he lacked speed and technique...

[JohnThomas1]

If he was able to land he did a lot of damage. Unfortunately he lacked speed and technique...

He had very good ponderous power for sure. A powerful puncher a rung or two below people like Valdez, Hearn's, Jackson and co.

[Luigi1985]

He had very good ponderous power for sure. A powerful puncher a rung or two below people like Valdez, Hearn's, Jackson and co.



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[enquirer]

To me the fighter that epitomised p4p power was hearns. True one punch power which worked against great fighters at multiple weights...
Jackson,joe louis in combinations,robinson and marciano also showed great power as did many others,but hearns up to middle just had that something else which troubled even the most durable fighters....

[JohnThomas1]

To me the fighter that epitomised p4p power was hearns. True one punch power which worked against great fighters at multiple weights...
Jackson,joe louis in combinations,robinson and marciano also showed great power as did many others,but hearns up to middle just had that something else which troubled even the most durable fighters....

Up to 175 actually :)

[enquirer]

Yes johnthomas,i suppose even at 175 he hurt the very durable andries with one punch and every time he landed....Just that maybe he was more conservative at 175 and had a little less speed at this weight,though he was bigger as well...
What was the hill fight like? Did he hurt hill or was it a flash knockdown? Was hill wary of tommys power?
It is remarkable that tommys power went up so many weights,i dont think jacksons would be that good a puncher at lt heavy and benns power went down a lot just 8 lbs up....
When i judge tommys power i look at the footage,the very durable quality guys he fought and the multiple weight divisions he fought in at world level.
The funny thing is i would say other great fighters had better timing,accuracy and picked their punches better than tommy,but if tommy landed clean it was invariably big hurt or ko time.....Do you think tommy would have been an even better puncher if he paid more attention to placement,accuracy and punch picking,or were the big vicious flurries in actually going for the knockout what generated his awesome power and an integral part of his personality?

[JohnThomas1]

Yes johnthomas,i suppose even at 175 he hurt the very durable andries with one punch and every time he landed....Just that maybe he was more conservative at 175 and had a little less speed at this weight,though he was bigger as well...
What was the hill fight like? Did he hurt hill or was it a flash knockdown? Was hill wary of tommys power?
It is remarkable that tommys power went up so many weights,i dont think jacksons would be that good a puncher at lt heavy and benns power went down a lot just 8 lbs up....
When i judge tommys power i look at the footage,the very durable quality guys he fought and the multiple weight divisions he fought in at world level.
The funny thing is i would say other great fighters had better timing,accuracy and picked their punches better than tommy,but if tommy landed clean it was invariably big hurt or ko time.....Do you think tommy would have been an even better puncher if he paid more attention to placement,accuracy and punch picking,or were the big vicious flurries in actually going for the knockout what generated his awesome power and an integral part of his personality?

I don't think he dropped Hill, but he staggered him once or twice. Hill was VERY wary of Hearn's big power. Have a look at Hearn's poleaxing of Maynard, a decent fighter. 180 pounds they both weighed.

[enquirer]

Officially i read that tommy knocked down hill in the third,maybe someone could clarify that? If hill was very wary of tommys power that speaks once again of his great punch evn at lt heavy...How is hill ranked on the durability front?
Ive seen tommys fight with maynard,great performance,the final punch wasnt even on the chin,more the back of the head? But you could see tommy bothering maynard with even his single shots.....I dont know what senya is talking about,tommy was also an atg great puncher above 147/154.....

[Luigi1985]

Paul Berlenbach is also a good example, at his natural weight he was a deadly puncher, even when he moved up in weight he was still dangerous...

some other examples:


Aurelio Herrera
Ike Williams
Carlos Zarate
Wilfredo Gomez

[Doppleganger]

Officially i read that tommy knocked down hill in the third,maybe someone could clarify that? If hill was very wary of tommys power that speaks once again of his great punch evn at lt heavy...How is hill ranked on the durability front?
Ive seen tommys fight with maynard,great performance,the final punch wasnt even on the chin,more the back of the head? But you could see tommy bothering maynard with even his single shots.....I dont know what senya is talking about,tommy was also an atg great puncher above 147/154.....
Tommy didn't floor Hill at all, I can confirm that. As JT said Hill was staggered big time in rounds 6, 9 and 11 I think. Hill demonstrated a great chin in this fight, previously he'd only been floored once by Bobby Czyz. Also, Tommy's jab repeatedly snapped back the head of Hill constantly throughout the fight. The fact that Hill didn't go down is probably an indication that Tommy's power wasn't quite as potent at 175 as it was at 147. That said, he was still a hard puncher at 175 make no mistake. He had Hill all over the place several times and I thought Dr. Ferdie Pacheco doing analysis was gonna 'spill his spooge' at the end of some of the exchanges.

[janitor]

A couple of names to throw into the thread-

Joe Choynski: Esentialy a super middleweight in todays money he could put 200lb fighters in la la land with a single well timed punch.

Joe Walcott: Never more than a welterweight he caried devastating power up to light heavyweight and perhaps even beyond.

Bob fitzsimmons: Another super middleweight who could put the big boys in la la land with a single punch.

Mickey Walker: Never much more than a middleweight he caried one punch knockout power up to 200lbs and beyond.

[robert ungurean]

Jimmy Wilde
Alfonse Zamora

[Minotauro]

Janitor beat me to it I was gonna say Joe Walcott if you can knockout guys 50lbs + bigger, then you gotta have some serious power.

[Zhaakal]

Tyson

[apollack]

I'd like to have Joe Louis' punching power.

[Dempsey1238]

Ruby Fitz.

[janitor]

Janitor beat me to it I was gonna say Joe Walcott if you can knockout guys 50lbs + bigger, then you gotta have some serious power.

The way that kid knocked 200lb+ heavyweights about and handled them in the clinches is almost unbeleivable.

We talk about the pound for pound number one. If there was an inch for inch number one nobody would challenge him for the honour.

[Bummy Davis]

Julian Jackson,Bob Foster,Rocky Marciano,Tommy Hearns,Bob Satterfeild,SRR

[JohnThomas1]

Jimmy Wilde
Alfonse Zamora

Wilde's a fine shout that's for sure.

[redrooster]

I like Mike Spinks. First time he catches you, the opponent becomes respectful

[mexman]

Pipino Cuevas merits consideration. He coldcocked Harold Volbrecht with 1 punch but was more well known for his bone-crushing punches which broke facial bones in Angel Espada, Billy Backus & Harold Weston.

Pete Ranzany was KO'd by both Cuevas & Sugar Ray Leonard and said Cuevas was by far the harder puncher.

Clyde Gray & Weston fought both Cuevas & Hearns and both stated Cuevas was the harder puncher.

Randy Shields fought Cuevas, Hearns and Leonard and did say Hearns punched hardest but Pipino hurt his left hand in his fight with Shields and couldn't deliver his best power punch.

Pipino wasn't that skilled a fighter but was a devastating puncher.

[JohnThomas1]

I like Mike Spinks. First time he catches you, the opponent becomes respectful

Another fine mention. For a short time when Hearns had his hand troubles Spinks was the best puncher in boxing.

[hdog]

Foster.

[brooklyn1550]

Julian Jackson

[Vanboxingfan]

Not sure why he hasn't been mentioned, maybe I'm missing something, but Langford KO'd more fighters than Foreman and Tyson combined and he often fought guys 20-40 lbs heavier than him. He at least deserves a mention.

[RoccoMarciano]

Maybe Fitzsimmons... he packed an awfully hard punch for his size!

[Duodenum]

Pipino Cuevas merits consideration. He coldcocked Harold Volbrecht with 1 punch but was more well known for his bone-crushing punches which broke facial bones in Angel Espada, Billy Backus & Harold Weston.

Pete Ranzany was KO'd by both Cuevas & Sugar Ray Leonard and said Cuevas was by far the harder puncher.

Clyde Gray & Weston fought both Cuevas & Hearns and both stated Cuevas was the harder puncher.

Randy Shields fought Cuevas, Hearns and Leonard and did say Hearns punched hardest but Pipino hurt his left hand in his fight with Shields and couldn't deliver his best power punch.

Pipino wasn't that skilled a fighter but was a devastating puncher.Pipino Cuevas is my choice as well. The combined won-loss records of vaquished opponents in title matches during his four year reign of terror was a freakish 505-70-29. Every punch he threw was an intended knockout blow, and against the defensively gifted Randy Shields, he secured his 15 round credentials as well. Hearns was fortunate to have been born with the endowments of height, reach and speed which allowed him to hit Cuevas without getting hit in return. The definitive leverage puncher, it's very well known that he's the only boxer besides Foreman to break the speed bag at Gleason's Gym. He fractured bones like Fitzsimmons, but while Fitz did it with two ounce gloves, Cuevas did it with eight ounce gloves. If he'd been 6'4" and weighed 220, he might still be champion.

Anybody who watched Pipino's four year tltle run might be hard pressed to name another better candidate for this distinction.

[JohnThomas1]

Pipino Cuevas is my choice as well. The combined won-loss records of vaquished opponents in title matches during his four year reign of terror was a freakish 505-70-29. Every punch he threw was an intended knockout blow, and against the defensively gifted Randy Shields, he secured his 15 round credentials as well. Hearns was fortunate to have been born with the endowments of height, reach and speed which allowed him to hit Cuevas without getting hit in return. The definitive leverage puncher, it's very well known that he's the only boxer besides Foreman to break the speed bag at Gleason's Gym. He fractured bones like Fitzsimmons, but while Fitz did it with two ounce gloves, Cuevas did it with eight ounce gloves. If he'd been 6'4" and weighed 220, he might still be champion.

Anybody who watched Pipino's four year tltle run might be hard pressed to name another better candidate for this distinction.

It's nice to see some credit given both where it's due and where we don't usually find it. What a fantastic asset you've been already.

[Street Lethal]

Joe Louis

[Icemmann]

Wilfredo Gomez