Ricky Hatton Reveals Why He Had To Let Billy Graham Go

[scurlaruntings]

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Ok does anyone actually buy this pile of crap? Billy was falling apart? They gave him the boot because Billy was falling apart!??! You mean to say thats the best Hattons team could come up with when the guys been with him his entire career? :think

[Eubank]

I buy it, you could see the guy was on his last legs before the Mayweather fight.

[TFFP]

Sounds like bollocks to me.

More likely Daddy made the decision.

[mann187]

Its sad really, Hatton didnt have to sack him, any changes now will hardly make any diffrence and Graham has been there from the start.

I think deep down Ricky knows the fans know that isnt the real reason and I dont think he's too bothered. Hatton only has a few fights left in him and it would have been the hournorable thing to have Billy there to the end.

Anyway only him, his father and Billy know the real reason and that's there business

maybe the change will make a slight diffrence but imo not much

[trotter]

Christ knows what's gone on

But it's not this version of events, I'm sure of that

Before we get to 10 pages of the usual tedious 'the Hatton's spin everything' crap, let's have it right, neither side is going to come out and tell the truth as it is. So they have to come up with something.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think they think they dont need Billy any more

I think Hatton has made a mistake - should have seen the career out with him

[Fat Joe]

let's have it right

Ray Hatton uses this phrase a lot:think

[Beeston Brawler]

They should have stuck with Graham :deal

[trotter]

Ray Hatton uses this phrase a lot:think

People from Manchester do, Sherlock

[Betty Swollocks]

Ray Hatton uses this phrase a lot:think

you could be on to something there fat Joe.

so Ray Hatton is saying one thing and Wichard Hatton is saying another. At least one of them is talking bollocks then, probably both as usual. We all know the real reasons.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Ray Hatton uses this phrase a lot:think

I really believe there is a possibilty that TROTTER is Ray Hatton

Ray Hatton if you reading this a message to you:

My apologies for all the abuse I have directed to your family

I dont have anything against your family really

The one I hated most of all was you anyway

not Ricky

I felt sorry for Ricky when Mayweather knocked him out

and then he lets himself down in the post fight interview by saying hes not about the money - when you know he is lying

But I think you are the force behind it all

If you just admitted that your were all about money and stop all the PR spin about loving the fans etc, - its so easy to see through

But I realize its too deep in you and Ricky to play this game

You treated Junior Witter with disrespect

and you wanted Graham out - do you not appriciate all the hard work he has put in - he deserves his slice of the pie

nothing against little Campbell - he is a innocent lad in all of this

I just hope the young lad dosent grow up to be a lying snake like his Grand Dad

Might seem a nasty thing to call you - but you deserve it

[Fat Joe]

I really believe there is a possibilty that TROTTER is Ray Hatton

:nono Old people don't know how to use the internet

[FLINT ISLAND]

:nono Old people don't know how to use the internet

pheraps young Campbell logs on for him;)

[Beeston Brawler]

Or the lovely Jennifer?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Or the lovely Jennifer?

No

She be too busy out shopping on Rickys credit card down in Manchester City Centre

[JonOli]

Here's the full article from the News Of The World.

"[Only registered and activated users can see links] IN CONTROL ... Ricky Hatton

RICKY HATTON insists he had no choice but to part company with trainer Billy Graham.

Hatton, 29, ended his 11-year relationship with Graham last month amid fears that the 53-year-old's health was deteriorating.
And the Hitman has confirmed he no longer felt Graham was physically up to the task of preparing him to face IBF champion Paulie Malignaggi in November.
The Manchester fighter said: "How do I know how hard or correctly I'm punching when he has needles and cannot feel his hands when we're on the pads?
"If he thinks anything of me, he'll have a good look in the mirror and admit 'I'm falling to bits. I'm physically done'.
"I don't want to hear from my trainer, who is taking so much medication to ease the pain, 'Don't worry, Rick, I'll get through this training session'."
Hatton also admits he was the man responsible for Graham's departure.
He added: "Billy thinks other people have conspired for him to leave but I am the boss and make the final decision.
"He would have still been in the camp if he'd swallowed his pride and said 'Lee Beard isn't coming in to take over, he's coming in to help me'.
"But typical, proud Billy, would not work with 'some amateur coach'.""

[TFFP]

Here's the full article from the News Of The World.

"[Only registered and activated users can see links] IN CONTROL ... Ricky Hatton

RICKY HATTON insists he had no choice but to part company with trainer Billy Graham.

Hatton, 29, ended his 11-year relationship with Graham last month amid fears that the 53-year-old's health was deteriorating.
And the Hitman has confirmed he no longer felt Graham was physically up to the task of preparing him to face IBF champion Paulie Malignaggi in November.
The Manchester fighter said: "How do I know how hard or correctly I'm punching when he has needles and cannot feel his hands when we're on the pads?
"If he thinks anything of me, he'll have a good look in the mirror and admit 'I'm falling to bits. I'm physically done'.
"I don't want to hear from my trainer, who is taking so much medication to ease the pain, 'Don't worry, Rick, I'll get through this training session'."
Hatton also admits he was the man responsible for Graham's departure.
He added: "Billy thinks other people have conspired for him to leave but I am the boss and make the final decision.
"He would have still been in the camp if he'd swallowed his pride and said 'Lee Beard isn't coming in to take over, he's coming in to help me'.
"But typical, proud Billy, would not work with 'some amateur coach'.""
Pleasing image.

[Beeston Brawler]

No choice yet he was the man solely responsible for making the decision.

Now I am a huge Hatton fan, but refuse to see through this shroud of bullshit - it's not as if some dodgy football agent has caught him with his banger up a bloke or summat, Graham is pretty much a lifelong friend and mentor. To ditch him seems crazy - shift to one side maybe, but I couldn't imagine me doing something similar.

[JonOli]

If Hatton is to be believed (and I'm not saying he is, or isn't, or that he is necessarily right in doing what he did); Billy wouldn't shift to the side.

"He would have still been in the camp if he'd swallowed his pride and said 'Lee Beard isn't coming in to take over, he's coming in to help me'.
"But typical, proud Billy, would not work with 'some amateur coach`"

[Beeston Brawler]

We all saw what a great job Lee Beard did with Matthew - in the Watson fight he only threw 20 punches a round, lazy fucker.

Watson was there to be beaten as well, Matthew was like a lazy bum paid to make someone look good!

[Ghostface923]

I read it in the news of the world today and to be fair i think it was a fair assesment. I think Hatton has fair enough reasons to part with billy. It was also intresting that hatton said how could billy stand there any say that his shots are good and powerful when he cant even feel his hands? I think that just sums up the attitude and feeling hatton had. He feels he needs someone who can give him more. Someone who can get more out of him and isnt slowly slipping and the most important, billy has a lot of injuries and hatton wont want to damage him more.

I think in general, it comes down to 3 things.

1) Hatton feels the billy was slipping and not getting the best out of him

2) Billy didnt get along with hattons father and one of his advisors

3) Billy physically had taken too much, he had a lot of injuries and it was the best time for him to retire. Hatton obviously have a lot of respect for Billy and he wouldnt want him to carry on damaging himself like that.

[JonOli]

So, if it's cause he wasn't physically able, why not:

"I think we need to bring in a second guy who can take some of the physical strain off you"


Hatton states that Billy would not accept a second guy to help out, and that if he did, he would still be there.

[trotter]

well everyone knows ricky loves only fools and horse I mean he bought the van.. and what is delboy's surname....TROTTER! :yep

maybe trotter is ricky himself.:think

Are you playing Watson to Fat Joe's Sherlock ?

Surprised you don't cut yourself - you're that sharp. Seriously.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Are you playing Watson to Fat Joe's Sherlock ?

Surprised you don't cut yourself - you're that sharp. Seriously.

thats just the kind of sharp and witty response I would expect from a "funny comedian" guy

Hello Ricky Hatton:hi:

[Fat Joe]

Are you playing Watson to Fat Joe's Sherlock ?

Surprised you don't cut yourself - you're that sharp. Seriously.

Let's have it right you've been rumbled Ray, no point trying to bluff your way out of it now.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Listen Ray - you a greedy fucker - full of lies.

But Money Mayweather has got more money than you and your family - and he knocked Ricky the Fuck Out.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Lets have it right Ray.......

[Dunky McCafferty]

Its as simple as this. Ricky Hatton was never going to accept that he lost to Mayweather, his ego is utterly out of control to this day. I predicted that he should & would dump Graham, & thats exactly what has happened.
Its like this. Ricky has put the blame on his loss to Floyd as Grahams fault.
& now that Hattons father is involved its a recipe for ruin. They have swapped Graham for some complete nobody as Rickys father has decided its time for him to jump in & try to steal the credit for Rickys belt wins.

Its as simple as that.

[Fat Joe]

Ricky has put the blame on his loss to Floyd as Grahams fault.

Is this true?

[trotter]

Listen Ray - you a greedy fucker - full of lies.

But Money Mayweather has got more money than you and your family - and he knocked Ricky the Fuck Out.

I'll let you into a little secret fella, as I feel sorry for you

Most of the posters accuse me of being Ray / Ricky in a poor attempt at winding me up (I hope)

I'm a little afraid that you actually think you're posting to Ray Hatton

Like the boxers in your garden shed thing, it's not real chief, it's not real...

Sorry to have to break this to you on a Monday morning

[trotter]

Is this true?

Of course it's not

It's about to become received wisdom though isn't it

[trotter]

Playing Devil's advocate here but Ricky's statement does not make sense. Ray Hatton told us that Graham left by mutual accord in an "emotional meeting", now we hear that Ricky sat Graham down and sacked him. Does this mean they would have been happy for Billy to say he had retired just so they could sit out the bad PR that may come their way? In the end Graham himself had to use BBN to point out that he had been sacked, something Ray Hatton must have known, surely, if not what kind of operation are they running there.

As for Graham not wanting to work with another trainer. Ray said they respect Billy's opinion so much, well in Graham's opinion the assistant was not good enough, but they kept him on. So Graham's opinion does not count and if he cannot work with the new assistant it leaves him a stark choice, put up and shut up or get sacked.

As for them doing this for Graham's own good. So his body is falling apart and the TV screeens showing this put things into focus for Hatton, leaving Ricky no choice but to replace him. Well Hatton has been seen having painful physio on TV for his elbow, he picks up chest infections often, maybe he is the one who should be looking to retire. If Graham is clapped-out then the same should be said for Hatton. Graham said Hatton had two more fights in him, maybe they feared Graham expressing this forcibly after the Malignaggi fight. Hatton probably does have one more fight in him but with a fledgling promotional company to promote they need a flagship fighter, step forward Ricky Hatton, for 5-6 more fights if they can get them out of him. Maybe they now needed a company man in the corner and all the things Hatton once loved Graham for, his outspoken nature and all the rest, now mean that Graham's face no longer fits in the 'team'.

Last week Ray Hatton said Graham retired and said he was an expert trainer, evidently not expert enough to keep onboard, or not expert enough to pick his own assistant. Graham then had to come out, after announcing his retirement with dignity, and confirm that he was forced to retire because he was sacked. Then Hatton himself comes out and admits that Graham was sacked. Is this an operation in which the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing? It seems that way.

I think that in time we may see just how much they value Graham's contribution over the past years.

I think Hatton is a good guy, always has been, in this case I think the phrase "a lion misled by donkies" sums it all up.

Good post

I think whatever story they put out it will have holes. Because essentially, they aren't telling the truth. Neither side is. Not the whole, complicated truth anyway.

They are trying to give the media and the public a clean, simple answer but it's probably a relatively grubby situation that's developed over the years. The best way to deal with it is to put out passable explanations and save a bit of dignity...

[TFFP]

Hello Ray

Can you please inform us why Ricky insists on making his fans pay for PPV's when he's one of the lads?

[FLINT ISLAND]

I'll let you into a little secret fella, as I feel sorry for you

Most of the posters accuse me of being Ray / Ricky in a poor attempt at winding me up (I hope)

I'm a little afraid that you actually think you're posting to Ray Hatton

Like the boxers in your garden shed thing, it's not real chief, it's not real...

Sorry to have to break this to you on a Monday morning

I dont give a shit who you are really - theres no way of knowing wether your name is Ray Hatton or any old Joe Bloggs.

Your entitled to be annoymous on here like anyone else.

And are you saying that I am actually lieing about the gym behind my back garden where Colin Jones has trained all his life?

If so you seriously misjudge my character.

I am not some sado who makes up lies in a pathetic attempt to impress people - I've met alot of them types - and I am certainly not one of them.

That gym behind my back garden I posted a photo of it on here - and its a real boxing gym and it where Colin Jones trained for all his fights including against pound for pound king Don "Cobra" Curry

ALL TRUE 100%

[Fat Joe]

Most of the posters accuse me of being Ray / Ricky in a poor attempt at winding me up (I hope)

I'm a little afraid that you actually think you're posting to Ray Hatton


Come on now Raymundo when you are in a hole stop digging. Shouldn't you be out measuring up some carpets, leave this new fangled interweb thingy to the youngsters.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Trotter - how much a cut do you and Carol take out of Ricky's purse?

and do you leave Matthews purse alone and leave him have it all because he only earns peanuts compared to Ricky?

[Watto]

I agree with what Ricky has done.He needs to be at his best and with the condition Billy is in at the mo,its not inwhich Ricky needs to be in to go further.It has been an excellent partnership and they have parted ways amically.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Matthew will retain all his purse. It is a bit unfair to start taking deductions from a guy who could probably earn a better living working on security at Morrisons.

He would also get free dinner from the readyfood counter - and plenty of chicken for his newborn :rofl

I think they are milking the down to earth thing for all it is worth at the moment, and whilst I wouldn't say there was a great deal of hate, resentment has set in.

Now I would call myself a Witter hater (for a variety of reasons) but find Hatton's shameless ducking of him cringeworthy. To say that Witter didn't deserve a shot is daft - as he was proven to be #2 in the division and held the WBC title. The whole charade was just about bearable until he lost to Mayweather and then signed to fight Lazcano, who had lost to a guy who Witter totally schooled, outclassed and anthing else you may like to add.

[GazOC]

You're making out his career is finished because he'll lose a rematch to a retired welterweight and get beaten if he fights a semi-retired junior middleweight. Are those his only options at this point?

[john b]

Why not just draw a line under this whole thread, they have parted company and thats that. Any how I do feel that hatton should have least finished is career with graham or if they really wanted to get shut of him why not do it after the floyd fight instead of making it into a bad soap.

[trotter]

You're making out his career is finished because he'll lose a rematch to a retired welterweight and get beaten if he fights a semi-retired junior middleweight. Are those his only options at this point?

Exactly

The Paulie fight is written off as 'nothing' because it's not Floyd or Oscar

Which speaks volumes for the level Hatton's operated at for the last few years

[Beeston Brawler]

The Paulie fight is written off because he is fighting someone who couldn't KO a flyweight :deal

The 140 division is awful at the moment, so Hatton ought to be able to clear up, politics aside.

[trotter]

The Paulie fight is written off because he is fighting someone who couldn't KO a flyweight :deal

The 140 division is awful at the moment, so Hatton ought to be able to clear up, politics aside.

Or someone who went the distance with Cotto... you know how this works

End of the day he holds a strap fair and square

He's no great shakes but if for example Junior beat him for a strap, he'd get kudos for it; rightly so in my book

Any win of a legitimate belt on foreign soil is a job well done in my book

[FLINT ISLAND]

Or someone who went the distance with Cotto... you know how this works

End of the day he holds a strap fair and square

He's no great shakes but if for example Junior beat him for a strap, he'd get kudos for it; rightly so in my book

Any win of a legitimate belt on foreign soil is a job well done in my book


Any fight that you can cream off as much money as you can from Rickys mug fans pay per view sales is a job well done in your book Ray

[FLINT ISLAND]

The man with the plan

It would not surprise me if Trotter (pictured below) was the main force behind the sacking of Billy Graham

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[trotter]

Any fight that you can cream off as much money as you can from Rickys mug fans pay per view sales is a job well done in your book Ray

Give it a rest chief

Not funny

Or clever

Just trolling

[Beeston Brawler]

Children children

If Hatton did a Gary Lockett and simply came out with it and said he was only bothered about money nobody would give a fuck. What pisses people off is all this 'I'm normal' and 'Man of the people' shite - really patronising!

I know it would never happen as Wicky is the darling of Sky Sports, but it would be hilarious if they simply said it wasn't worth putting on PPV or just said 'bollocks, we will let Setanta have it'. :rofl

[GazOC]

Talk about double standards, Lockett got crucified on here for his attitude to money and boxing before the Pavlik fight. Its like its a crime for a working class man to acquire a decent amount of money, being rich and being 'a man of the people' are not mutually exclusive. Poeple CAN become rich and remain true to their roots and themselves.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Give it a rest chief

Not funny

Or clever

Just trolling

Trolling it may be - just the same as you pouring discredit at my claims of the boxing gym behind my garden

[FLINT ISLAND]

Talk about double standards, Lockett got crucified on here for his attitude to money and boxing before the Pavlik fight. Its like its a crime for a working class man to acquire a decent amount of money, being rich and being 'a man of the people' are not mutually exclusive. Poeple CAN become rich and remain true to their roots and themselves.

Thing is with Lockett - he is honest enough

but there is no love for Lockett you know he has no passion for the sport - go in there taking a beating from Pavlik bag your cheque - good luck to him

but he is not going to top any popularity polls

Hatton needs all that PR bollocks spin on everything to make himself popular to make more money and keep the gravy train moving

its easy to see through the guys a liar

more respect for Lockett - faie enough to him - get the money and get the fuck out - dont bullshit everyone and then ask them to buy pay per view TV you take a slice of when you say you love your fans not money

[GazOC]

As I've said, "good luck to him" wasn't the attitude around here about Lockett. He was getting called all sorts of cunt, but now he's being held up as an example of how Hatton should behave??

[Fat Joe]

As I've said, "good luck to him" wasn't the attitude around here about Lockett. He was getting called all sorts of cunt, but now he's being held up as an example of how Hatton should behave??

Interestingly it was Betty Swollocks who was the most scathing about Lockett.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Interestingly it was Betty Swollocks who was the most scathing about Lockett.

Look theres no love for Lockett.

But theres no hate either.

You got in the ring - took your lumps - cashed your cheque - now piss off

[GazOC]

You have a convieniently short memory Flint. Lockett got a lot of hate on this forum in the build up to the Pavlik fight.

[FLINT ISLAND]

You have a convieniently short memory Flint. Lockett got a lot of hate on this forum in the build up to the Pavlik fight.

I got more dislike for Hatton

Hatton is more popular than Lockett so more people on his side

at least Lockett is not deceiving everyone

Eubank only boxed for money

these people are never going to win over your heart

but at least they not liars like Hatton

[Beeston Brawler]

So you now feel you have to hate to redress the balance :think

[TFFP]

It seems to me people are beginning to realise what transparent, odious twats the Hatton(s) are.

"I'm just one of the lads" :|

Is that why you put shitty fights on PPV - that the lads either pay for or don't get to see you?

Is that why you ducked a fellow Brit in your own weight class to continue the gravy train and money spinning bonanza that usually consists of ripping off fans a.k.a the lads?

Is that why you booted your trainer thats been there since day 1 citing some of the weakest excuses in living memory?

Everything Hatton does has a marketing/PR spin to it.

[scurlaruntings]

Exactly

The Paulie fight is written off as 'nothing' because it's not Floyd or Oscar

Which speaks volumes for the level Hatton's operated at for the last few years :lol::lol::lol: Whats this level he`s operated at mate? Care to enlighten me?

[scurlaruntings]

You have a convieniently short memory Flint. Lockett got a lot of hate on this forum in the build up to the Pavlik fight.He did because he opened his mouth and said what he was in the sport for. Which as an SN fighter i guess was fairly obvious. Either wat at least he kept it "real" and told the truth. Meanwhile Ricky tries to sell the fans a "unification" bout against a contender that NO ONE was interested in. Its not possible in one breath to claim continually his in it for his "fans" and then not deliver the fight we REALLY wanted. For a decade he avoided Witter. Boy that Witter sure must be dangerous..

[trotter]

:lol::lol::lol: Whats this level he`s operated at mate? Care to enlighten me?

I guess I'd call it world level

Thought the gist of what I meant would be obvious

Consider yourself enlightened

[trotter]

He did because he opened his mouth and said what he was in the sport for. Which as an SN fighter i guess was fairly obvious. Either wat at least he kept it "real" and told the truth. Meanwhile Ricky tries to sell the fans a "unification" bout against a contender that NO ONE was interested in. Its not possible in one breath to claim continually his in it for his "fans" and then not deliver the fight we REALLY wanted. For a decade he avoided Witter. Boy that Witter sure must be dangerous..

NO ONE eh

Caps makes the point so much more valid

The audience figures suggest otherwise

You struggle with even the basics don't you?

[GazOC]

:lol::lol::lol: Whats this level he`s operated at mate? Care to enlighten me?
Well he's been a world class fighter for the last 3 or 4 years, he's the lineal at 140. What a shitty career eh? I know ESB now has this new level of boxers called 'elites' to put down world class boxers IMHO to campaign at world level for 4 years with only one loss is quite an achievement.

[GazOC]

He did because he opened his mouth and said what he was in the sport for. Which as an SN fighter i guess was fairly obvious. Either wat at least he kept it "real" and told the truth. Meanwhile Ricky tries to sell the fans a "unification" bout against a contender that NO ONE was interested in. Its not possible in one breath to claim continually his in it for his "fans" and then not deliver the fight we REALLY wanted. For a decade he avoided Witter. Boy that Witter sure must be dangerous..

You're giving Hatton stick for fighting his number 1 contender?:lol:

[JonOli]

If Hatton wasn't fighting Pauli, you can bet the same people would be on here typing Hattons ducking the no1 contender, and afraid to fight hit and move boxers because Floyd showed him up.

[TFFP]

It's funny how Hatton is now justified by fighting his contender

That didn't seem all that forthcoming when Witter was there :lol::patsch

[trotter]

It's funny how Hatton is now justified by fighting his contender

That didn't seem all that forthcoming when Witter was there :lol::patsch

No, he's being criticised for fighting his 'contender', stop twisting it

When Witter was the no.2 in the division Hatton was fighting Castillo and Floyd

I suppose you'd have fought Junior if you were in his shoes though eh

[TFFP]

No, he's being criticised for fighting his 'contender', stop twisting it

When Witter was the no.2 in the division Hatton was fighting Castillo and Floyd

I suppose you'd have fought Junior if you were in his shoes though eh
I probably wouldn't have ducked him for about 5 years previously during my WBU reign of terror, and thus making it almost impossible to justify

To all but his biggest nuthuggers of course, or yourself Carol.

[GazOC]

It's funny how Hatton is now justified by fighting his contender

That didn't seem all that forthcoming when Witter was there :lol::patsch

Its also funny that Hatton is being now being criticized for fighting is number 1 contender. I thought it was what all you big Witter fans wanted from a champ?

Hatton beat JLC, lost to Mayweather, takes a comeback fight and then fights his number 1 contender....what a cunt eh?

[TFFP]

Its also funny that Hatton is being now being criticized for fighting is number 1 contender. I thought it was what all you big Witter fans wanted from a champ?

Hatton beat JLC, lost to Mayweather, takes a comeback fight and then fights his number 1 contender....what a cunt eh?
No, its very good he's fighting his #1 contender. About time too.

It's this miraculous change of heart from his fans thats funny. Hatton couldn't possibly have fought Witter previously, when he was busy fighting those first ballot HOF'ers Urango and Maussa

Or what was it? - He brought no fans or fame, unlike Vilches, Tackie, Coco the clown and Pedersen.

It just sums Hatton up entirely - smoke and mirrors. Keep the applcart rolling on until you get a big payday that is a no lose scenario.

[trotter]

I probably wouldn't have ducked him for about 5 years previously during my WBU reign of terror, and thus making it almost impossible to justify

To all but his biggest nuthuggers of course, or yourself Carol.

You're very adept at veering off in a new direction, you will argue for the sake of it

But as I said, just before and while Witter was recognised as number 2 in the division, Hatton was fighting Castillo and Mayweather in Vegas

So your original point was bollocks to be fair wasn't it?

Outside of that short window Witter was never his 'contender' in your words. He was a hanger on begging for a payday while Hatton carved out a hugely successful career.

[TFFP]

You're very adept at veering off in a new direction, you will argue for the sake of it

But as I said, just before and while Witter was recognised as number 2 in the division, Hatton was fighting Castillo and Mayweather in Vegas

So your original point was bollocks to be fair wasn't it?

Outside of that short window Witter was never his 'contender' in your words. He was a hanger on begging for a payday while Hatton carved out a hugely successful career.
A hanger on? :lol:

If he's such a hanger on, why didn't Hatton put his fists where his mouth is and shut him up - you know like real men do, real warriors. "He talked bad about me" What the hell is that? :rofl

Or what was the excuse when he was fighting those stiffs for his WBU strap?

Or Urango and Maussa, that nobody even cared about. Infact, anybody outside Tszyu, Mayweather or Castillo?

There was a window of opporunity the size of the grand canyon for it to happen, but it never did, for one simple reason. Hypetrain. Derailed.

[GazOC]

You like that 'smoke and mirrors' line don't you?

[GazOC]

I think he fought Maussa for Maussas WBA belt.

[GazOC]

Is Paulie his no.1 contender, really? I can't ever think of a time Paulie's been especially good - his sole claim to fame is taking a horrifc beating from Miguel Cotto.

Taking an awful beating does not suggest to me you deserve more respect.

Pauli is widely (inc The Ring rankings) considered the number 2 light welter behind Hatton.

[Sheehan]

I got more dislike for Hatton

Hatton is more popular than Lockett so more people on his side

at least Lockett is not deceiving everyone

Eubank only boxed for money

these people are never going to win over your heart

but at least they not liars like Hatton

but all your doing is speculating you dont know shit, same as the rest of us, If someone asks ricky in an interview "what are you like as a person"? he wont say "im a money grabbing cunt", how does that make him look? of course he loves the money who wouldn't and it shoud go without saying, he tells us his interests and what hes like as a person, ok we hear it alot but I bet he gets asked alot, the public is attracted to him, coz he's a seemingly down to earth guy, the haters just search through everything he says hoping for a slip up and if it doesn't come they speculate, its nit picking alot of the time and its also pathetic.

[TFFP]

Who cares about the fucking belt?

Witter had a belt for a period, it made no difference to the Manchester Mauler. "The fighter makes the belt" he told us. You need to be exciting he told us. You need to bring fans, apparently.

Yeah, Maussa transcended the sport. In Medellin.

It's went way past the point where you have to waste your time justifying each individual fight for Hatton, there were umpteen times it could have happened.

[trotter]

A hanger on? :lol:

If he's such a hanger on, why didn't Hatton put his fists where his mouth is and shut him up - you know like real men do, real warriors. "He talked bad about me" What the hell is that? :rofl

Or what was the excuse when he was fighting those stiffs for his WBU strap?

Or Urango and Maussa, that nobody even cared about. Infact, anybody outside Tszyu, Mayweather or Castillo?

There was a window of opporunity the size of the grand canyon for it to happen, but it never did, for one simple reason. Hypetrain. Derailed.

'Real men, real warriors' lol

Meanwhile, back in the 'real' world Witter got a strap in the most godawful title fight I've ever seen, defended a couple of times against nobody in particular, and then lost to an unknown.

Give your head a wobble mate, you are seriously wrong on this one.

'Anybody outside of Tszyu, Castillo or Mayweather' - oh dear. Yeah, let's discount his three biggest fights then like they never happened. That'll make for sensible debate won't it?

[GazOC]

Witter was just a tool for you haters to have a pop at Hatton with. The fight didn't happen and now Witters lost. Its a real shame but don't try to make out it affects Hatton legacy outside of your happy little band of psychotic Hatton haters.

[scurlaruntings]

You're giving Hatton stick for fighting his number 1 contender?:lol:BWA HA HA the number 1 contender! I like it!!! Who`s Paulie again? hey remember Junior Witter? He was Hattons number contender for 10 years.. :lol::lol: Wow this is soo rich!!!

[GazOC]

Says a lot about LWW, really...

Whatever - I couldnt care less about Hatton.

I agree, its a poor division but thats not really Hattons fault.

[scurlaruntings]

I guess I'd call it world level

Thought the gist of what I meant would be obvious

Consider yourself enlightenedThanks for that stunning moment of lack of clarity.

["TKO"]

Says a lot about LWW, really...

Whatever - I couldnt care less about Hatton.

To say you couldn't care less about him you sure seem to spend a lot of time discussing him. If I couldn't care less about a fighter, I simply don't bother posting on their threads.

[john b]

When witter lost to bradley what was the reaction like on the british board a bet it wasn't half as derogatory as hatton losing to floyd.

[GazOC]

BWA HA HA the number 1 contender! I like it!!! Who`s Paulie again? hey remember Junior Witter? He was Hattons number contender for 10 years.. :lol::lol: Wow this is soo rich!!!

You are re-writing history.:patsch Witter was not Hattons number 1 contender for 10 years. Differing opinions are one thing but don't just make stuff up to justify your hatred.

[scurlaruntings]

I agree, its a poor division but thats not really Hattons fault.Remember 140 from about 5 years ago? The Ring ran an article on it as boxings deepest division at the time. Guess where Ricky was.. No where to be seen in the top 10. Since then everyone who mattered moved onto bigger and better things. Meanwhile Hatton still fighting the best available contenders isnt he after being beaten back to 140.

[scurlaruntings]

You are re-writing history.:patsch Witter was not Hattons number 1 contender for 10 years. Differing opinions are one thing but don't just make stuff up to justify your hatred.Of course he wasnt. They were number 1 and 2 in Britain. Witter followed him all the way up to a title belt and Wicky still wouldnt fight him. Call it what you like.

["TKO"]

A hanger on? :lol:

If he's such a hanger on, why didn't Hatton put his fists where his mouth is and shut him up - you know like real men do, real warriors. "He talked bad about me" What the hell is that? :rofl

Or what was the excuse when he was fighting those stiffs for his WBU strap?

Or Urango and Maussa, that nobody even cared about. Infact, anybody outside Tszyu, Mayweather or Castillo?

There was a window of opporunity the size of the grand canyon for it to happen, but it never did, for one simple reason. Hypetrain. Derailed.

Well to say "nobody cared" about these fights they didn't half have some good viewing figures!!! Bottom line when people look back on Hatton's career, they will remember the Tszyu, Castillo and Mayweather bouts as fights and events. Witter will go down as a footnote in history who wasted most of his best days chasing a get rich quick scheme whilst taking on the Fred Kinuthias and Lucky Sambos of this world.

[john b]

Of course he wasnt. They were number 1 and 2 in Britain. Witter followed him all the way up to a title belt and Wicky still wouldnt fight him. Call it what you like.

After watching witter fight against bradley would he have beaten hatton on that performance.

[TFFP]

'Real men, real warriors' lol

Meanwhile, back in the 'real' world Witter got a strap in the most godawful title fight I've ever seen, defended a couple of times against nobody in particular, and then lost to an unknown.

Give your head a wobble mate, you are seriously wrong on this one.

'Anybody outside of Tszyu, Castillo or Mayweather' - oh dear. Yeah, let's discount his three biggest fights then like they never happened. That'll make for sensible debate won't it?
Are you his PR agent? So you bought into the bullshit he fed you about all his other opponents - those 3 aside?

The ones that sounded like the embarrasing radio adverts we have here trying to hype a football match between 2 local teams about the equivelent of Accrington Stanley, battling it out on a pitch more resembling an ice rink

When you criticise what Witter did, you are only serving to weaken your own point. Witter by hook or by crook became the #1 contender in the world, something far above what any of his opponents could claim other than the 3 I mentioned where Hatton had a legimate excuse to not make the fight. I wasn't suggesting we ignore them.

Unfortunately your head is so far up Hatton's ass you are blocking regular bowel movements. Get your head out a second and let some oxygen to the brain, we might get some sense outta you yet.

Urango, Oliveria, Stewart, Vilches, Pedersen, Tackie. Think about it.

[scurlaruntings]

You're giving Hatton stick for fighting his number 1 contender?:lol:Yes. Everybody raise there hands who wants to see Paulie vs Hatton!! What a feable and pathetic argument. Thats the last bout that any sane fan cared about. Witter Hatton would have been nice prior to his loss. Or Hatton vs DLH or Cotto SSM. No one gives a crap about Paulie. Dont try and sell this bout as something that all fans are interested in when your same argument as to when Witter was Hattons number 1 contender was derisive.

[GazOC]

Remember 140 from about 5 years ago? The Ring ran an article on it as boxings deepest division at the time. Guess where Ricky was.. No where to be seen in the top 10. Since then everyone who mattered moved onto bigger and better things. Meanwhile Hatton still fighting the best available contenders isnt he after being beaten back to 140.

Yep, Zoo got stopped by Hatton, Judah became a gatekeeper at 147, Cotto got outmanned by Margo, Mitchell and Corely went on extended losing runs....

[scurlaruntings]

After watching witter fight against bradley would he have beaten hatton on that performance.This could be true but well never know will we. One thing is certain Witter more than earnt his shot. But hey Ricky was looking after his fans in that one hence why his fighting Paulie.

["TKO"]

Urango, Oliveria, Stewart, Vilches, Pedersen, Tackie. Think about it.

Every one of them top 10-15 except Vilches and Pederson. Don't forget, these guys were "way up" fights when Hatton was a prospect.As title defences you could criticise them but come on who takes the WBU seriously? It was simply a label for ****** to stick on the bouts while Hatton made his way up.

[GazOC]

Yes. Everybody raise there hands who wants to see Paulie vs Hatton!! What a feable and pathetic argument. Thats the last bout that any sane fan cared about. Witter Hatton would have been nice prior to his loss. Or Hatton vs DLH or Cotto SSM. No one gives a crap about Paulie. Dont try and sell this bout as something that all fans are interested in when your same argument as to when Witter was Hattons number 1 contender was derisive.

Hatton fights at 140, WTF has Oscar, Cotto or Mosely got to do with anything? They can't make 140.

[trotter]

Are you his PR agent? So you bought into the bullshit he fed you about all his other opponents - those 3 aside?

other than the 3 I mentioned where Hatton had a legimate excuse to not make the fight.

Please stop saying 'those 3 aside'

It's the debatoing style of an utter moron

'Those 3' are the whole point you tit

[john b]

This could be true but well never know will we. One thing is certain Witter more than earnt his shot. But hey Ricky was looking after his fans in that one hence why his fighting Paulie.

I agree this fight should have happened after hatton had beaten thaxton, then we could have put it to rest once and for all. The only gripe I have with witter is that he should have shut his gob about hatton and just made a better career for himself because he had the talent.

[GazOC]

I agree John, Witter was a good fight before Hatton had beaten Zoo. After Zoo who really cared outside of ESBs Fun Bunch?

[TFFP]

Please stop saying 'those 3 aside'

It's the debatoing style of an utter moron

'Those 3' are the whole point you tit
Those 3 were the whole point when he was fighting Urango - or any the WBU brigade? :lol:

Oh yeah, I'm sure Mayweather and Castillo really thought "oh eck, he just beat that oversized Columbian druglord AND he was the long reigning WBU champion - he's earnt his shot allright" :patsch

In a perverse way, you are entirely correct. Those 3 are the exact reason Hatton never fought Witter. The wheels would have come right off, and he'd have been back to square 1 without his padded unbeaten record.

[trotter]

What makes me laugh in the whole Witter debate is that nobody is even saying 'no, he absolutely shouldn't have fought him'

He didn't, but there's a lot of people he didn't fight

But amongst the ones he did fight are modern greats, so who gives a shiny shit about Junior Witter? Seriously? If he wasn't from Bradford would anyone care?

[trotter]

Oh yeah, I'm sure Mayweather and Castillo really thought "oh eck, he just beat that oversized Columbian druglord AND he was the long reigning WBU champion - he's earnt his shot allright" :patsch



The Urango fight was the setup fight for Castillo

Castillo fought Ngoudjo on the same bill

[TFFP]

The Urango fight was the setup fight for Castillo

Castillo fought Ngoudjo on the same bill
Who fucking cares?!

It could have been Witter, just as easily. If Hatton located the whereabouts of his balls.

You'll try telling me Urango was a worldwide star now. :yep

[trotter]

Who fucking cares?!

It could have been Witter, just as easily. If Hatton located the whereabouts of his balls.

You'll try telling me Urango was a worldwide star now. :yep

No I won't

I was pointing out the glaring inaccuracy in your previous post

You my friend are the one given to gross exagerration, not me

[GazOC]

What makes me laugh in the whole Witter debate is that nobody is even saying 'no, he absolutely shouldn't have fought him'

He didn't, but there's a lot of people he didn't fight

But amongst the ones he did fight are modern greats, so who gives a shiny shit about Junior Witter? Seriously? If he wasn't from Bradford would anyone care?
It because thats pretty much all they've got to beat Hatton up with. He's lineal and undefeated at 140 and his only loss is to the P4P number 1 when moving up in weight. Witter is pretty much the only ammunition they have got.

[TFFP]

No I won't

I was pointing out the glaring inaccuracy in your previous post

You my friend are the one given to gross exagerration, not me
You are given to being blind to very simple lines of logic, possibly due to the genitals of one or more Hatton's disturbing your view

Can you seriously sit there, and type with a straight face that there was never a time Hatton could have fought Witter?

There were countless times, if you want to look at the WBU days or Urango. I can forgive him for even Maussa since there was a paper belt up for grabs, I'm feeling generous.

Could have. Should have. Ricky has no balls.

[Beeston Brawler]

Not good enough - why bother making a fight to set up another one?

Witter would have been a better name than any of his opponents with the exception of the three big names and would be on a par with about three more - but why deny a British fighter a pay day and give it to some Colombian or Mexican?

OK - Hatton isn't the only fighter to duck someone, but don't bother trying to convince people that you never did it.

In the grand scheme of things, it won't really hurt him - but it could have helped.

[scurlaruntings]

Yep, Zoo got stopped by Hatton, Judah became a gatekeeper at 147, Cotto got outmanned by Margo, Mitchell and Corely went on extended losing runs.... :lol::lol::lol: Honestly your a throughly lost cause!! Let me guess those were good enough reasons NOT to fight them when the going was good right!!!:lol::lol:

[john b]

Who fucking cares?!

It could have been Witter, just as easily. If Hatton located the whereabouts of his balls.

You'll try telling me Urango was a worldwide star now. :yep

Fair enough you are not a fan of hatton we have gathered that but don't act like witter was the second coming because after him getting outboxed of a unknown american shows that even witter can have stinkers against unknown like hatton did against urango.

[scurlaruntings]

Hatton fights at 140, WTF has Oscar, Cotto or Mosely got to do with anything? They can't make 140.WTF did Collazo have to do with it? O one minute he was a belt holder..

[TFFP]

Fair enough you are not a fan of hatton we have gathered that but don't act like witter was the second coming because after him getting outboxed of a unknown american shows that even witter can have stinkers against unknown like hatton did against urango. Point is, Junior Witter got to the #1 contender status in this division.

He's British, and Hatton never fought him, despite Witter wanting the fight and despite there being ample opportunity. These motherfuckers act like Hatton was tied up fighting top 10 p4p's every time.

I can not think of anything like it in recent times, 2 Brits getting to that sort of status in their div and one point blank avoiding the other. It was completely embarrasing.

[trotter]

Can you seriously sit there, and type with a straight face that there was never a time Hatton could have fought Witter?

There were countless times, if you want to look at the WBU days or Urango. I can forgive him for even Maussa since there was a paper belt up for grabs, I'm feeling generous.



Have I ever said that there was never a time when they couldn't have fought? You making rubbish up to try to win an argument.

Urango was for a belt. Jesus, would you mind getting at least the odd fact right?

[TFFP]

Have I ever said that there was never a time when they couldn't have fought? You making rubbish up to try to win an argument.

Urango was for a belt. Jesus, would you mind getting at least the odd fact right?
So why didn't they fight?

WHY? :lol:

We know why.

[trotter]

Not good enough - why bother making a fight to set up another one?

Witter would have been a better name than any of his opponents with the exception of the three big names and would be on a par with about three more - but why deny a British fighter a pay day and give it to some Colombian or Mexican?



For one, it happens all the time. Castillo wanted a fight at the weight. They were showcasing oth guys before their big fight.

The second bit, I can only assume you are taking the piss!

[GazOC]

:lol::lol::lol: Honestly your a throughly lost cause!! Let me guess those were good enough reasons NOT to fight them when the going was good right!!!:lol::lol:

Hatton DID fight Zoo, Zoo had flattened Mitchell and Witter beat Corely, Judah had moved to 147. Thats leaves Cotto which was a fight neither fighter pushed for at the time.

You really must do better than this Scura, 5 year old Ring articles where all the other fighters mentioned (bar Myweather) have been beaten is a pretty poor effort.

[Beeston Brawler]

And both of them were shit!

Not taking the piss at all - Witter was certainly worth a pay day more than Urango, Maussa or Lazcano. Espec Lazcano - who lost to Vivian Harris who was in turn schooled, outclassed and KO'd by Witter. He also held the WBC title at the time when the fight would have been signed - worth more than the IBO belt stolen from Lidl.

[GazOC]

Not good enough - why bother making a fight to set up another one?
.

Oh come on. It happens all the time in boxing. Two fighters get wins on the same card with a view to matching them together the next time they fight.

[Beeston Brawler]

It does, and I have no problem with it unless you have a guy pulling the wool over people's eyes by saying Witter wasn't worth it.

I am not going to turn round and say Castillo was shot though, because I don't believe he really was.

I am trying to be objective here.

[TFFP]

And both of them were shit!

Not taking the piss at all - Witter was certainly worth a pay day more than Urango, Maussa or Lazcano. Espec Lazcano - who lost to Vivian Harris who was in turn schooled, outclassed and KO'd by Witter. He also held the WBC title at the time when the fight would have been signed - worth more than the IBO belt stolen from Lidl.
This is exactly the point - even you that I've noted as a slight (but objective) Hatton fan can realise. It's a very simple point.

Hatton's resume is literally stacked with cans, outside of 3 fights. These guys will act like it was soooo difficult for Richard to fit him into his schedule amongst them, and will have ready made excuses for any fight you can pick out.

Unless you mention WBU, and they'll ignore it completely and/or go onto the more desperate excuses such as not enough fans/money (isn't it always with Ricky?), Witter not exciting enough...feel free to add to the list.

It's honestly a complete and utter joke.

[scurlaruntings]

It because thats pretty much all they've got to beat Hatton up with. He's lineal and undefeated at 140 and his only loss is to the P4P number 1 when moving up in weight. Witter is pretty much the only ammunition they have got.What an accomplishment. He beat Kostya who had 1 foot in retirement and was slated to fight Harris. ****** temped him to Britain and made Kostya and Ricky a shed load of cash. Hatton does the unthinkable and beats a shot veteran and has been living off this win in his fans eyes ever since. To try and sell this for anything more than what it was is absolutely disgraceful and throughly proves the masses of Hatton joyboys that follow him with no interest in the sport of boxing other than paying credence to a man who has done little other than lining his own pockets at the fans expense.

He`s undefeated at 140? Ok lets put this into a real perspective WHO exactly has Ricky fought? His record WBU defences after being a veteran of 30 plus fights was nothing short of a disgrace. It was sold on SKY as world title action. He refused a shot at the WBO and at the WBA citing paltry excuses. Mooted bouts with prime fighters at the time like Cotto, Judah , Witter etc all fell by the way as ****** carefully guided his protege via the path of least resistance. And still true to form Hatton fights the aged relics of this world like Castillo and Phillips and his fans latch on to it and proclaim loudly that Castillo was a P4P great when Collazo beat him back to 140? We have heard a plethora of excuses form his fans and Ricky alike. Its the weight. He called me names etc etc. He got humiliated rightfully by PBF and then fights a faded Lazcano who was a career lightweight and hadnt fought in over a year and gets caught out on his feet?

Ricky is exactly what he is which is nothing more than an opportunist and a classic right time right place guy. To try and sell him as anything more than that is an insult to all normal intelligience. Thus debating any point with any Hatton fan is always a fruitless excercise as there brains are capabable of stretching back further than the nose on there faces. If your going to sell me Castillo and Kostya as credible victorys then surely on this same premise Joppy and Trevor Berbick deserve there place in the HOF.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think you are being a bit harsh saying all but three are cans, but point understood. I am a big Hatton fan, but don't suffer fools gladly and feel the wool is being pulled here.

I would say Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather, Collazo, Phillips, Tackie, Lazcano, Pep and Thaxton are all decent enough (some great clearly) but the likes of Vilches, Pedersen, Maussa, Hutchinson, Pendleton, Bailey are all chumps :deal

The Witter thing - I am sure people would buy a ticket for a Hatton fight (Yorks vs Lancs etc), he isn't exciting admittedly but I was always suffering from an erect banger every time Maussa or Pedersen walked to the ring :rofl

To be fair TFFP, Calzaghe isn't without fault either - but there is less bullshit coming from Camp Calzaghe (other than from Enzo as expected)

[trotter]

This is exactly the point - even you that I've noted as a slight (but objective) Hatton fan can realise. It's a very simple point.

Hatton's resume is literally stacked with cans, outside of 3 fights. These guys will act like it was soooo difficult for Richard to fit him into his schedule amongst them, and will have ready made excuses for any fight you can pick out.

Unless you mention WBU, and they'll ignore it completely and/or go onto the more desperate excuses such as not enough fans/money (isn't it always with Ricky?), Witter not exciting enough...feel free to add to the list.

It's honestly a complete and utter joke.

'Outside of 3 fights' again eh?

And Urango, Maussa, Collazo, Tackie, Magee, Thaxton, Phillips, Lazcano

A few faded, none very top quality but not 'cans'. No way. Sorry. 3 were legitimate belt holders at the time.

You exaggerate every point and the rest you get plain wrong. Kinda suggests your judgement might be off too.


And the pretentiousness of your opening line...what a dick.

[TFFP]

I think you are being a bit harsh saying all but three are cans, but point understood. I am a big Hatton fan, but don't suffer fools gladly and feel the wool is being pulled here.

I would say Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather, Collazo, Phillips, Tackie, Lazcano, Pep and Thaxton are all decent enough (some great clearly) but the likes of Vilches, Pedersen, Maussa, Hutchinson, Pendleton, Bailey are all chumps :deal

The Witter thing - I am sure people would buy a ticket for a Hatton fight (Yorks vs Lancs etc), he isn't exciting admittedly but I was always suffering from an erect banger every time Maussa or Pedersen walked to the ring :rofl

To be fair TFFP, Calzaghe isn't without fault either - but there is less bullshit coming from Camp Calzaghe (other than from Enzo as expected)
Calzaghe is not without fault, but as I can recall he has never had a Brit rival constantly on his coat tails trying to get a deserved fight (or at least as deserved as any other of his opponents). Quite to the contrary, he fought Eubank, and he fought Woodhall to conclusively prove he was the best SMW in Britain.

[trotter]

Calzaghe is not without fault, but as I can recall he has never had a Brit rival constantly on his coat tails trying to get a deserved fight (or at least as deserved as any other of his opponents). Quite to the contrary, he fought Eubank, and he fought Woodhall to conclusively prove he was the best SMW in Britain.

And when Froch wins a strap?

You'll be shouting from the rooftops for Joe to turn down that Pavlik fight to fight Carl, I'm sure

[scurlaruntings]

'Outside of 3 fights' again eh?

And Urango, Maussa, Collazo, Tackie, Magee, Thaxton, Phillips, Lazcano

A few faded, none very top quality but not 'cans'. No way. Sorry. 3 were legitimate belt holders at the time.

You exaggerate every point and the rest you get plain wrong. Kinda suggests your judgement might be off too.


And the pretentiousness of your opening line...what a dick.No the "dick" is you. As usual with most Hatton fans your not capable of a rationale argument without resorting to name calling and facetious bull shit. I havent seen a shred of objectivity or even an opion backed up by facts in your post. All you`ve written is juvenile company policy SN crap. Pull your head out of your ass and see the woods for the tree`s before you start labelling people "dick".

[TFFP]

'Outside of 3 fights' again eh?

And Urango, Maussa, Collazo, Tackie, Magee, Thaxton, Phillips, Lazcano

A few faded, none very top quality but not 'cans'. No way. Sorry. 3 were legitimate belt holders at the time.

You exaggerate every point and the rest you get plain wrong. Kinda suggests your judgement might be off too.


And the pretentiousness of your opening line...what a dick.
Didn't quite manage it into Vilches, Pedersen and Coco the clown yet did you? Were you almost blushing at this point?

You must have been trawling through boxrec as usual, and realisingg the sort of trash you are up against when you have to justify their inclusion over Junior Witter, British and future #1 ranked in the world. That's a deep hole to climb out of, wouldn't wish it on anyone :bbb

[scurlaruntings]

Didn't quite manage it into Vilches, Pedersen and Coco the clown yet did you? Were you almost blushing at this point?

You must have been trawling through boxrec as usual, and realisingg the sort of trash you are up against when you have to justify their inclusion over Junior Witter, British and future #1 ranked in the world. That's a deep hole to climb out of, wouldn't wish it on anyone :bbb :lol:

[trotter]

No the "dick" is you. As usual with most Hatton fans your not capable of a rationale argument without resorting to name calling and facetious bull shit. I havent seen a shred of objectivity or even an opion backed up by facts in your post. All you`ve written is juvenile company policy SN crap. Pull your head out of your ass and see the woods for the tree`s before you start labelling people "dick".

Shut up you prick

Witters merry men have been throwing insults at me from the start, you massive pussy

The rest of your post I can't answer because it's meaningless shite

[Beeston Brawler]

Time to give up, Trotter

[scurlaruntings]

Shut up you prick

Witters merry men have been throwing insults at me from the start, you massive pussy

The rest of your post I can't answer because it's meaningless shiteThe jury rests.:lol: Time for you to find another board. Try Frank******TV i hear his quite welcoming with your sort.

[trotter]

Didn't quite manage it into Vilches, Pedersen and Coco the clown yet did you? Were you almost blushing at this point?

You must have been trawling through boxrec as usual, and realisingg the sort of trash you are up against when you have to justify their inclusion over Junior Witter, British and future #1 ranked in the world. That's a deep hole to climb out of, wouldn't wish it on anyone :bbb

I wasn't justifying their inclusion over Witter was I?

I was justifying them against your appraisal as 'cans' which is clearly bullshit.

You really are disingenuous at times but you're not really clever enough to pull it off.


Never realised Junior was ranked no.1 in the world either. Another lie from TFFP? Never.

["TKO"]

Witter would have been a better name than any of his opponents with the exception of the three big names and would be on a par with about three more - but why deny a British fighter a pay day and give it to some Colombian or Mexican?


How about cause he thinks the guy's a nob and doesn't want Witter making money off of the back of his hard work?

[GazOC]

What an accomplishment. He beat Kostya who had 1 foot in retirement and was slated to fight Harris. ****** temped him to Britain and made Kostya and Ricky a shed load of cash. Hatton does the unthinkable and beats a shot veteran and has been living off this win in his fans eyes ever since. To try and sell this for anything more than what it was is absolutely disgraceful and throughly proves the masses of Hatton joyboys that follow him with no interest in the sport of boxing other than paying credence to a man who has done little other than lining his own pockets at the fans expense.

He`s undefeated at 140? Ok lets put this into a real perspective WHO exactly has Ricky fought? His record WBU defences after being a veteran of 30 plus fights was nothing short of a disgrace. It was sold on SKY as world title action. He refused a shot at the WBO and at the WBA citing paltry excuses. Mooted bouts with prime fighters at the time like Cotto, Judah , Witter etc all fell by the way as ****** carefully guided his protege via the path of least resistance. And still true to form Hatton fights the aged relics of this world like Castillo and Phillips and his fans latch on to it and proclaim loudly that Castillo was a P4P great when Collazo beat him back to 140? We have heard a plethora of excuses form his fans and Ricky alike. Its the weight. He called me names etc etc. He got humiliated rightfully by PBF and then fights a faded Lazcano who was a career lightweight and hadnt fought in over a year and gets caught out on his feet?

Ricky is exactly what he is which is nothing more than an opportunist and a classic right time right place guy. To try and sell him as anything more than that is an insult to all normal intelligience. Thus debating any point with any Hatton fan is always a fruitless excercise as there brains are capabable of stretching back further than the nose on there faces. If your going to sell me Castillo and Kostya as credible victorys then surely on this same premise Joppy and Trevor Berbick deserve there place in the HOF.
You're saying Zoo and JLC were as shot as Ali?? Ali had Parkinsons FFS:patsch

No one is saying that Hatton is an ATG but he's been a solid world class fighter for the last 4 years, you can pick holes in any fighters career but Hatton has a run of opponents that compares well to pretty much any fighter during the same time period. He didn't fight Witter and yes, that would have been a good fight pre-Zoo but it didn't happen and its really no big deal.

And I hate to be a Grammar Nazi, but if you are going to question peoples intelligence then at least spell check your post......

["TKO"]

And both of them were shit!

Not taking the piss at all - Witter was certainly worth a pay day more than Urango, Maussa or Lazcano. Espec Lazcano - who lost to Vivian Harris who was in turn schooled, outclassed and KO'd by Witter. He also held the WBC title at the time when the fight would have been signed - worth more than the IBO belt stolen from Lidl.

Lazcano was a comeback fight after the loss to Mayweather (and a slightly better one than Steve Conway at that). He was top 10 ranked and was better than all but 2-3 of Witter's own opponents.

[TFFP]

I wasn't justifying their inclusion over Witter was I?

I was justifying them against your appraisal as 'cans' which is clearly bullshit.

You really are disingenuous at times but you're not really clever enough to pull it off.


Never realised Junior was ranked no.1 in the world either. Another lie from TFFP? Never.
Skirting around the issue as usual. I missed out the word "contender", somebody hang me! :|

Deal with the topic at hand, mainly why Hatton put the Manchester Taxi Cab industry out of business fighting their drivers over Witter?

Or even failing that, just point blank WHY he didn't fight Witter?

[Beeston Brawler]

And Witter is a lazy bum who never worked hard?

Listen - I am a certified Witter hater, but can realise that he was worth a shot at Hatton.

Refusing because the guy is a nob is just schoolyard stuff. No your not playing, I don't like you. Stop pushing in I was here first. I'm telling the teacher you called me names.

Load of absolute bollocks :deal

In any case, I feel Hatton would win - but the fight should have happened.

[scurlaruntings]

You're saying Zoo and JLC were as shot as Ali?? Ali had Parkinsons FFS:patsch

No one is saying that Hatton is an ATG but he's been a solid world class fighter for the last 4 years, you can pick holes in any fighters career but Hatton has a run of opponents that compares well to pretty much any fighter during the same time period. He didn't fight Witter and yes, that would have been a good fight pre-Zoo but it didn't happen and its really no big deal.

And I hate to be a Grammar Nazi, but if you are going to question peoples intelligence then at least spell check your post......You read it and comprehended it thats good enough for me. So shove the grammer Nazi bullshit up Trotters ass. Now again for the fourth time Gazoc dont read between the lines. If Ali had parkinsons when he fought Berbick the board wouldnt have sanctioned the bout if Ali wasnt healthy enough to fight. Either way its a semantic argument as im pretty sure you KNOW exactly the point of the comparison.

[GazOC]

Resorting to profanity Scura? Ali probably had the onset of Parkinsons when he fought Holmes and def. when he fought Berbick. Most real, hardcore boxing fans know this.

Zoo-Hatton/ Ali-Berbick is not a valid comparison.

["TKO"]

And Witter is a lazy bum who never worked hard?

Listen - I am a certified Witter hater, but can realise that he was worth a shot at Hatton.

Refusing because the guy is a nob is just schoolyard stuff. No your not playing, I don't like you. Stop pushing in I was here first. I'm telling the teacher you called me names.

Load of absolute bollocks :deal

In any case, I feel Hatton would win - but the fight should have happened.

Well, maybe he was. So too were a lot of other fighters, Cotto, Mitchell, Kotelnik etc.. Personally, I can almost guarantee20 years from now Junior Witter will be forgotten about while Hatton is talked about. Bottom line, Witter is just used as a stick to beat Hatton with as there ain't too much else about. If he was from Sheffield, Australia rather than Sheffield, England nobody would have thought twice about him.

["TKO"]

You read it and comprehended it thats good enough for me. So shove the grammer Nazi bullshit up Trotters ass. Now again for the fourth time Gazoc dont read between the lines. If Ali had parkinsons when he fought Berbick the board wouldnt have sanctioned the bout if Ali wasnt healthy enough to fight. Either way its a semantic argument as im pretty sure you KNOW exactly the point of the comparison.

Dear God! I didn't realise either Ali or Duran were ranked in the top 5 p4p at the times in question!!!

[Beeston Brawler]

Perhaps not in the earlier days, but certainly when Witter got the WBC title. As a Yorkie, it would have been great to have had a war of the roses in something other than 20-20 cricket.

[GazOC]

Perhaps not in the earlier days, but certainly when Witter got the WBC title. As a Yorkie, it would have been great to have had a war of the roses in something other than 20-20 cricket.

How about Bury-Leeds?;)

["TKO"]

Perhaps not in the earlier days, but certainly when Witter got the WBC title. As a Yorkie, it would have been great to have had a war of the roses in something other than 20-20 cricket.

Fair point, as a Yorkshire-born Manc resident would have been some personal interest for me there as well. I just take a rounded enough view to realise it ain't gonna matter too much in the grand scheme of things, as opposed to the relatively minor domesti scene.

[trotter]

Skirting around the issue as usual. I missed out the word "contender", somebody hang me! :|

Deal with the topic at hand, mainly why Hatton put the Manchester Taxi Cab industry out of business fighting their drivers over Witter?

Or even failing that, just point blank WHY he didn't fight Witter?

Ermm, if you are going to debate, it helps if you actually type what you mean. That word actually makes a bit of a difference.

I suspect you did mean that, you are an habitual liar, you can't help yourself. That must be 3 outright untruths already in this thread.


As for your question, I'll tell you why. Fuck knows. That's why. I suspect it's risk reward, exactly as you suggest. It's nothing new.

My point is that it doesn't even fucking matter. I don't care. Witter is insignificant when you are assessing the career of a world level fighter like Hatton.

If you made the Witter case about Corley it would look ridiculous. If he wasn't from Bradford it would be a non-issue. Says a lot for Junior that 99% of the talk about him involves Hatton.

Oh - and I don't mind Junior. I just see him for what he is. Average and inconsequential when assessing Hatton.

[TFFP]

Ermm, if you are going to debate, it helps if you actually type what you mean. That word actually makes a bit of a difference.

I suspect you did mean that, you are an habitual liar, you can't help yourself. That must be 3 outright untruths already in this thread.


As for your question, I'll tell you why. Fuck knows. That's why. I suspect it's risk reward, exactly as you suggest. It's nothing new.

My point is that it doesn't even fucking matter. I don't care. Witter is insignificant when you are assessing the career of a world level fighter like Hatton.

If you made the Witter case about Corley it would look ridiculous. If he wasn't from Bradford it would be a non-issue. Says a lot for Junior that 99% of the talk about him involves Hatton.

Oh - and I don't mind Junior. I just see him for what he is. Average and inconsequential when assessing Hatton.
Thank you. Never thought I'd see the day, it must feel good to have fresh air to inhale?

So there we go, its official. Even from a guy that lives on his street as you told us. Ricky Hatton - smoke and mirrors.

[scurlaruntings]

Resorting to profanity Scura? Ali probably had the onset of Parkinsons when he fought Holmes and def. when he fought Berbick. Most real, hardcore boxing fans know this.

Zoo-Hatton/ Ali-Berbick is not a valid comparison.Im aware of that. But that wasnt my point as you well and know. The comparison is valid because both fighters fought men who were shot. Neither win is/was held in any high regard. Naturally Kostya was in better shape than Duran and Ali of course BUT both had 1 foot in retirement. NOW THAT was my point as you were already aware of. Im not interested in a debate on moot preamble and stupid conjecture. Lets deal with the facts as they present themselves as even you know that if that was a prime Kostya Tsyzu the result would have been entirely diffrent. No one in there right mind is giving Danny Williams more credibility for beating a faded Mike Tyson. Hattons win is what it was. Which was a solid win over a faded veteran.

To base an entire career on that is woeful. A career is NOT defined by 1 fight. Its definded by WHO you have fought over the length of your career. If when all is said and done and your ledger is full of bums and C and B level fighters then you can safely say that fighter found his level. If a fighter has fought many solid contenders and champions and done well in doing so ala Cotto then we can safely say his career is that of a great fighter. In less fights and in a shorter career Cotto`s ledger is already better than Hattons. Thats the diffrence between a fighter who wants to fight and one who picks and chooses his opponents.

[GazOC]

Im aware of that. But that wasnt my point as you well and know. The comparison is valid because both fighters fought men who were shot. Neither win is/was held in any high regard. Naturally Kostya was in better shape than Duran and Ali of course BUT both had 1 foot in retirement. NOW THAT was my point as you were already aware of. Im not interested in a debate on moot preamble and stupid conjecture. Lets deal with the facts as they present themselves as even you know that if that was a prime Kostya Tsyzu the result would have been entirely diffrent. No one in there right mind is giving Danny Williams more credibility for beating a faded Mike Tyson. Hattons win is what it was. Which was a solid win over a faded veteran.

To base an entire career on that is woeful. A career is NOT defined by 1 fight. Its definded by WHO you have fought over the length of your career. If when all is said and done and your ledger is full of bums and C and B level fighters then you can safely say that fighter found his level. If a fighter has fought many solid contenders and champions and done well in doing so ala Cotto then we can safely say his career is that of a great fighter. In less fights and in a shorter career Cotto`s ledger is already better than Hattons. Thats the diffrence between a fighter who wants to fight and one who picks and chooses his opponents.
Who is basing an entire career on 1 fight? Hatton has fought JLC, Zoo, Mayweather who were all Top 10 P4P in The Ring magazine at the time they fought Hatton, Maussa, Tackie, Magee are all decent wins. No ones saying every fight was against a top opponent but its a pretty good set of fights that stands up well against what most world class fighters were doing at the time, it certainly doesn't suffer too much from not having Witter on it.

I hear what you are saying about Zoo having one foot in retirement but to use Ali and Duran as examples was exagerating in the extreme. If you were aware that Ali had Parkinsons when he fought Berbick why did you deny it in your last post?