Joe Calzaghe vs Sugar Ray Robinson - please follow instructions [Archive]

Decebal

07-27-2007, 11:15 AM

Intructions - simply make a one word post either "Robinson" or "Calzaghe", don't even bother giving your reasons for making the pick, just "Calzaghe" or "Robinson" or even "draw"

why don't you add a poll, if that's all you're after?:think

Decebal

07-27-2007, 11:17 AM

Walker Smith Jr.

pjo479

07-27-2007, 11:20 AM

robinson

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 11:29 AM

why don't you add a poll, if that's all you're after?:thinkI want names and this is clearer than a public poll -fullstop-

King Dan

07-27-2007, 11:34 AM

Robinson

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 01:31 PM

bumped

janitor

07-27-2007, 01:36 PM

Robinson

griff

07-27-2007, 01:37 PM

Hello

Duodenum

07-27-2007, 01:37 PM

Robinson.

Senya13

07-27-2007, 02:21 PM

Calzaghe

cross_trainer

07-27-2007, 08:17 PM

Salvador Sanchez.

JohnThomas1

07-27-2007, 08:41 PM

ROBINSON

McGrain

07-27-2007, 08:42 PM

ROBINSON

Very beautiful.

And the avatar too.

rekcutnevets

07-27-2007, 08:43 PM

robinson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

salsanchezfan

07-27-2007, 09:23 PM

Robinson.

...............You tard.

Sorry! Sorry! Honestly, that just slipped out. :oops:

NickHudson

07-27-2007, 09:36 PM

Robinson

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 10:39 PM

salsanchezfan

07-27-2007, 10:53 PM

Can you seriously not see you are all brainwashed fucks, Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time, Robinson the WW, who wins the fucking exceptional SMW or the fucking exceptional WW -question mark- It is no coincidence the only other clued up person in this thread was from outside the US fucking A -fullstop- I love you all though, you make winning money on boxing at the bookies so fucking easy -fullstop- Never change -fullstop-

..........making lots of money on bets, eh? :lol: I wonder how you'd bet if this was, say, 1955, and Robinson was still around. As it stands, it's easy to defend a fantasy position. You can never be proven wrong. Truly the sanctuary of the delusional.

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 10:57 PM

..........making lots of money on bets, eh? :lol: I wonder how you'd bet if this was, say, 1955, and Robinson was still around. As it stands, it's easy to defend a fantasy position. You can never be proven wrong. Truly the sanctuary of the delusional.All but two people picking SRR, what is that if it isn't conforming to popular opinion -question mark-

salsanchezfan

07-27-2007, 11:00 PM

All but two people picking SRR, what is that if it isn't conforming to popular opinion -question mark-

..........It's called knowing yer boxing, son. :good

P.S.......the question mark is located next to the "." on the keyboard. I understand you're trying to be dramatic by spelling it out, but you just look like a douchebag, so I thought I'd help you out.

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 11:02 PM

..........It's called knowing yer boxing, son. :good

P.S.......the question mark is located next to the "." on the keyboard. I understand you're trying to be dramatic by spelling it out, but you just look like a douchebag, so I thought I'd help you out.How can you pick a WW over Joe Calzaghe -question mark- He was nothing more than a great MW, he is fucked at 168 against a very exceptional SMW -fullstop-

Leeroy

07-27-2007, 11:07 PM

Calzaghe

salsanchezfan

07-27-2007, 11:11 PM

How can you pick a WW over Joe Calzaghe -question mark- He was nothing more than a great MW, he is fucked at 168 against a very exceptional SMW -fullstop-

............Give me some proof he's fucked at 168. What criteria do you base this on?

By the way, apologies for the "douchebag" comment. That was uncalled for on my part.

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 11:21 PM

............Give me some proof he's fucked at 168. What criteria do you base this on?

By the way, apologies for the "douchebag" comment. That was uncalled for on my part.

Robinson was noticably slower at MW than he had been at WW, he'd maintained some decent power, but it was nothing that would KO someone like Calzaghe -fullstop- SRR was the greatest ever, but he isn't going up to SMW to beat Calzaghe or Roy Jones Jr, size does matter -fullstop- We are talking about someone who was a featherweight amature, WW pro here, they just don't beat a very large and skilled SMW -fullstop- Someone has already suggested workrate is the way to beat Robinson -fullstop- There is so much against Robinson in this matchup I can't see him winning barring hand injuries to Calzaghe -fullstop-

McGrain

07-27-2007, 11:25 PM

Robinson was noticably slower at MW than he had been at WW,

:lol:

What are you basing this on? More footage you've seen that does not exsist?

he'd maintained some decent power, but it was nothing that would KO someone like Calzaghe

Hard to say. He's never fought a powerful puncher who was also quick and accurate...Calzaghe's durability is completley unkknown due to his reluctance to tussle at the highest level.

We are talking about someone who was a featherweight amature, WW pro here, they just don't beat a very large and skilled SMW -fullstop- Someone has already suggested workrate is the way to beat Robinson -fullstop- There is so much against Robinson in this matchup I can't see him winning barring hand injuries to Calzaghe -fullstop-

I don't mean to be rude but history is full of examples of great fighters stepping up and beating good fighters - all Calzaghe has proven himself, though he may actually be better.

Making a pick of Calzaghe over Robinson is not unreasonable if you do it upon the basis of size.

But you seem to see Calzaghe as clearly superior.

That is so far from the truth as to be stupidity.

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 11:27 PM

Making a pick of Calzaghe over Robinson is not unreasonable if you do it upon the basis of size.
It isn't unreasonable I am glad you recognise that, but looking at this thread Calzaghe is a 10 to 1 underdog apparently! We all know that is wrong -fullstop-

salsanchezfan

07-27-2007, 11:28 PM

Robinson was noticably slower at MW than he had been at WW, he'd maintained some decent power, but it was nothing that would KO someone like Calzaghe -fullstop- SRR was the greatest ever, but he isn't going up to SMW to beat Calzaghe or Roy Jones Jr, size does matter -fullstop- We are talking about someone who was a featherweight amature, WW pro here, they just don't beat a very large and skilled SMW -fullstop- Someone has already suggested workrate is the way to beat Robinson -fullstop- There is so much against Robinson in this matchup I can't see him winning barring hand injuries to Calzaghe -fullstop-

.............So you're saying Robinson was too slow at MW (or 168 for that matter) to get to Calzaghe? Please say yes. Please say yes.

McGrain

07-27-2007, 11:29 PM

It isn't unreasonable I am glad you recognise that, but looking at this thread Calzaghe is a 10 to 1 underdog apparently! We all know that is wrong -fullstop-

Yeah, I would agree with that. Though I would make him underdog.

All things considered, i think placing money on SRR would be sensible.

China_hand_Joe

07-27-2007, 11:45 PM

If Gavin Rees can win a world title then anything can happen I guess-fullstop-

enquirer

07-28-2007, 04:58 AM

Calzaghe...
The style,unorthodoxy,speed,Southpaw stance,pressure,stamina and durability of joe is too much for robinson at 168....Maybe a stoppage even....If robbie was that good at even 168 (and remember todays 168 is like 175 yesteryear with the day before weigh ins.) how come he never rematched maxim or fought for another lt heavy strap? Calzaghe is a very big 168,should be a 175er...

Luigi1985

07-28-2007, 05:00 AM

Watch the Maxim fight, Joey was much better than JC and he was a LHW, SRR woudl beat Joe...

janitor

07-28-2007, 05:06 AM

All but two people picking SRR, what is that if it isn't conforming to popular opinion -question mark-

It works like this.

I do not hand out fantasy wins over Sugar Ray Robinson like sweeties. For an active fighter to get picked over him he is going to have to prove a hell of a lot in the ring.

As things stand Calzaghe is going into the bigest fight of his career which will have a major impact in terms of deciding where he ultimately ranks in the pantheon of historic fighters.

How he fares in that fight will do a lot to decide where he stands relative to Robinson or even La Motta.

Stonehands89

07-28-2007, 08:49 AM

Robinson.

Stonehands89

07-28-2007, 08:50 AM

I repeat: Robinson.

Stonehands89

07-28-2007, 08:50 AM

For clarification: Robinson

Pat_Lowe

07-29-2007, 07:59 AM

For clarification: Robinson

Calzaghe you say?

Vantage_West

07-29-2007, 04:57 PM

Watch the Maxim fight, Joey was much better than JC and he was a LHW, SRR woudl beat Joe...:verysad
maxim was a great fighter he had the jab the abilty to take a punch but...he was way to sluggish.

calzaghe is a athlete his stamina is amazingf i have seen him throw almost a 100 punches againt mark delaney and then come the 2nd round to fire off 70 punches throughout the fight.

maxim through alot of punches but didnt bounce didnt flow he just seemed to move to him jab and hope he hit.
calzaghe even though he accomplished less than robinson (by a very long margine) hasa style i feel he can beat robinson

mightyd40

07-29-2007, 05:01 PM

robinson

Amsterdam

07-29-2007, 05:44 PM

Watch the Maxim fight, Joey was much better than JC and he was a LHW, SRR woudl beat Joe...

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Calzaghe easily defeats Robinson at 168. Robinson's not even at his best or at his optimum weight here.

Amsterdam

07-29-2007, 05:48 PM

Robinson was a top 5 MW of all time( a MUCH MUCH MUCH more stacked weight class than SMW, where Calzaghe ranks second) and would've been a LHW champ if not for the heat against a HOF'er. It's pretty obvious with his success at MW he would've been a good SMW as well. Great fight, but the experience tips it in SRR's favor.

Calzaghe would have equally easily won every single round against a guy like Maxim, a peak Calzaghe also had no hand problems.

Think on this one, everyone underrates Calzaghe on here.

SRR presents nothing needed to beat Calzaghe in terms of signature weapons either and don't act like I know nothing about SRR.

Amsterdam

07-29-2007, 06:30 PM

Why would Calzaghe have won every round against Maxim? Explain. I'm not even sure he wins.

Based on size and being more naturally fit for the weight, Calzaghe is the choice, but based on ability and the fact that he had success at those weights and proved he was still among the best, Robinson is easily in the fight, and his experience against top notch comp gives him the edge for sure.

But he'd have fought no fighter who even remotely resembles Calzaghe's style.

McGrain

07-29-2007, 06:50 PM

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Given that SRR is arguably the best MW ever (he's my pick) and Calzaghe is one of the best ever at a very young division only 8 pounds above, it's difficult to see what the joke is Amsterdam.

Calzaghe easily defeats Robinson at 168.

Whe you put a word like "easily" into that sentance and absolutley fail to provide any reasoning, it's pretty easy to dismiss the pick.

Robinson's not even at his best or at his optimum weight here.

Special fighters often acheive a great deal above optimum weight. But you know that.

Drew101

07-29-2007, 06:52 PM

Robinson

...Garcia KO1 Calzaghe.

:D

-fullstop-

McGrain

07-29-2007, 06:53 PM

SRR presents nothing needed to beat Calzaghe in terms of signature weapons either.

He has faster hands. Calzaghe also has very fast hands. He is normally faster of hands than his opponent. If he is fighting a guy who out does him in an area where he outdoes his opponent, there is something very interesting right there. I'd hesitate to pick a guy EVER who has a deficency in an area where he normally has an advantage...not that Cal doesn't have many other weapons, but here is a signature weapon worth thinking about.

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 07:21 PM

Tyson k.o.4 Holmes

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 07:30 PM

He has faster hands. Calzaghe also has very fast hands. He is normally faster of hands than his opponent. If he is fighting a guy who out does him in an area where he outdoes his opponent, there is something very interesting right there. I'd hesitate to pick a guy EVER who has a deficency in an area where he normally has an advantage...not that Cal doesn't have many other weapons, but here is a signature weapon worth thinking about. I'm not convinced SRR (at 168 or whatever weight he comes in at) is actually any faster than Joe Calzaghe -fullstop- Calzaghe would just flick his jab out, neither fighter getting the better - until Calzaghe used his size to get close and basically slap the hell out of Robinson -fullstop- Imagine if LaMotta had been taller and faster, with more skill, variety and accurate slaps - 168 (one day weigh-in) Calzaghe has that strength and it better at practically everything else -fullstop-

McGrain

07-29-2007, 07:31 PM

I'm not convinced SRR (at 168 or whatever weight he comes in at) is actually any faster than Joe Calzaghe

Nothing I can do about that son!

And you don't "slap" SRR to a defeat.

Decebal

07-29-2007, 07:32 PM

I'm not convinced SRR (at 168 or whatever weight he comes in at) is actually any faster than Joe Calzaghe -fullstop- Calzaghe would just flick his jab out, neither fighter getting the better - until Calzaghe used his size to get close and basically slap the hell out of Robinson -fullstop-

At what weight, if any, do you think SRR would beat JC, then?

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 07:36 PM

163 -point- 5 ish

Decebal

07-29-2007, 07:40 PM

163 -point- 5 ish

Solely because JC's advantage of size would be sufficiently reduced?

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 07:42 PM

Robinson.......Duhhhhhh......

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 07:44 PM

Can you seriously not see you are all brainwashed fucks, Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time, Robinson the WW, who wins the fucking exceptional SMW or the fucking exceptional WW -question mark- It is no coincidence the only other clued up person in this thread was from outside the US fucking A -fullstop- I love you all though, you make winning money on boxing at the bookies so fucking easy -fullstop- Never change -fullstop-

I thought you just wanted one word answers, and not reasons or debate. Or do you just change the rules when things don't seem to be going your way?

McGrain

07-29-2007, 07:46 PM

I thought you just wanted one word answers, and not reasons or debate. Or do you just change the rules when things don't seem to be going your way?

I supsect he was shit-faced when he made that post.

Maybe he gets a pass for that one.

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 07:46 PM

I thought you just wanted one word answers, and not reasons or debate. Or do you just change the rules when things don't seem to be going your way?This thread has evolved just like boxing has -fullstop- Can you really call it reasoning though -questionmark-

Decebal

07-29-2007, 07:49 PM

Hey Mr Magoo take a look at your Avatar and you might get an idea why people come on these threads WOW!!! GOOD ONE

I was going to remark on that meself...although I preferrrrred Mr Magoo's last avatar.

McGrain

07-29-2007, 07:51 PM

Hey Mr Magoo take a look at your Avatar and you might get an idea why people come on these threads WOW!!! GOOD ONE

"Come on these threads"...bit sinister.

Bro you know there are better spots on the internet for looking at pretty girls though?

Amsterdam

07-29-2007, 07:52 PM

Given that SRR is arguably the best MW ever (he's my pick) and Calzaghe is one of the best ever at a very young division only 8 pounds above, it's difficult to see what the joke is Amsterdam.

Whe you put a word like "easily" into that sentance and absolutley fail to provide any reasoning, it's pretty easy to dismiss the pick.

Special fighters often acheive a great deal above optimum weight. But you know that.

I was laughing that the poster stated "Maxim was a lot better than Calzaghe".

That deserves a - :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

McGrain

07-29-2007, 07:53 PM

I was laughing that the poster stated "Maxim was a lot better than Calzaghe".

That deserves a - :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Possibly.

Decebal

07-29-2007, 07:57 PM

I don't normaly look at pictures of pretty girls I have got one myself, but thus one reminds me of my wife.

that is the right answer!:thumbsup

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:05 PM

This thread is a little silly though, Sugar Ray Robinson said back in the 90s, Joe Calzaghe would have "smashed" him up -fullstop-

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 08:07 PM

This thread is a little silly though, Sugar Ray Robinson said back in the 90s, Joe Calzaghe would have "smashed" him up -fullstop-

That's really interesting given that Sugar Ray Robinson died in 1989 Dumb fuck -Fullstop-

Decebal

07-29-2007, 08:10 PM

That's really interesting given that Sugar Ray Robinson died in 1989 Dumb fuck -Fullstop-

China_hand_Joe is in touch with SRR's spirit.

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 08:11 PM

That's really interesting given that Sugar Ray Robinson died in 1989 Dumb fuck -Fullstop-

Are you saying Calzaghe can't slap himself back to the future?

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:13 PM

Are you saying Calzaghe can't slap himself back to the future?

You're on form tonight.

You can tell when a thread is going to shit in Classic cos it's the only time people make jokes.

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:14 PM

That's really interesting given that Sugar Ray Robinson died in 1989 Dumb fuck -Fullstop-I find that hard to believe mate -fullstop-[Only registered and activated users can see links]

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:15 PM

I find that hard to believe mate -fullstop-[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:lol:

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 08:15 PM

I find that hard to believe mate -fullstop-[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Does someone else want to take this one?

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:16 PM

Does someone else want to take this one?

:lol:

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 08:27 PM

This thread just went from being weird, straight into the twilight zone.

I have to revise my p4p list since Sugar Ray Robinson not only managed to beat LaMotta, Graziano, Fulmer, Bassilo, ect.

He's also beat Hagler, Duran, and Hearns.

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:28 PM

This thread just went from being weird, straight into the twilight zone.

:lol:

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:33 PM

Just look at the size difference between them, Calzaghe wins -fullstop-

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Just look at the size difference between them, Calzaghe wins -fullstop-

:lol:

Decebal

07-29-2007, 08:36 PM

:dead

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 08:37 PM

Just look at the size difference between them, Calzaghe wins -fullstop-

That photo is deceptive.

Bear in mind Ray is 97 years old in it. He looks damn good for a guy getting ready to hit the century mark.

McGrain

07-29-2007, 08:39 PM

That photo is deceptive.

Bear in mind Ray is 97 years old in it. He looks damn good for a guy getting ready to hit the century mark.

:lol:

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:43 PM

That photo is deceptive.

Bear in mind Ray is 97 years old in it. He looks damn good for a guy getting ready to hit the century mark.Where are you getting these numbers from mate -questionmark-

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 08:44 PM

I have to tell ya Hank, I'm not real crazy about this reincarnation of yourself. Frankly, I'm tired of China Joe. I wish you'd bring Homicidal Hank back, as I miss our little chats about Jack roper and such...

Decebal

07-29-2007, 08:44 PM

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mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 08:45 PM

Where are you getting these numbers from mate -questionmark-

Interesting how a guy who a week ago, claimed that he was a fighter from Thailand, all of a sudden uses the expression " mate "

Decebal

07-29-2007, 08:46 PM

Interesting how a guy who cames that he's a fighter from Thailand, all of a sudden uses the expression " mate "

not Thailand, but Outer Mongolia..."mate" is what they call their horses...

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:48 PM

Interesting how a guy who a week ago, claimed that he was a fighter from Thailand, all of a sudden uses the expression " mate "I said I was one quarter if you read back mat -fullstop-

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 08:50 PM

Where are you getting these numbers from mate -questionmark-

Same place you're getting your Sugar Ray Robinson photos. :deal

mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 08:51 PM

As I said before Hank, I wish you'd come up with a different character.

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 08:54 PM

not Thailand, but Outer Mongolia..."mate" is what they call their horses...

Are you saying he wants to ride my ass? What the hell kind of place is this turning into?

OLD FOGEY

07-29-2007, 08:57 PM

I was laughing that the poster stated "Maxim was a lot better than Calzaghe".

That deserves a - :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Much has been made of Calzaghe being bigger than Robinson, but Maxim is quite a bit bigger than Calzaghe. Under modern rules, with the weigh-in a day early, Maxim might come into a Calzaghe fight around 190.

Decebal

07-29-2007, 09:01 PM

Are you saying he wants to ride my ass? What the hell kind of place is this turning into?

I am saying that China_hand_Joe will not stop until he eats our children, having raped our women, unless we agree with him. Resistance is futile!:boxing1

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 09:11 PM

Robinson is simply too small, if he was a little larger he could try and emulate Robin Reid -fullstop-

Decebal

07-29-2007, 09:14 PM

Robinson is simply too small, if he was a little larger he could try and emulate Robin Reid -fullstop-

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China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 09:16 PM

[Only registered and activated users can see links] we could be serious for a moment here, there is no way Robinson would be as well defined or as strong as Reid at 168 -fullstop-

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mr. magoo

07-29-2007, 09:24 PM

[quote=China_hand_Joe]If we could be serious for a moment here, there is no way Robinson would be as well defined or as strong as Reid at 168 -fullstop-
Is muscular definition, what you consider to make or break a fighter?
Wlad was pretty well defined to. Didn't stop a 38 year old, portly Corrie Sanders from knocking the livin' shit out of him now did it?

Icemmann

07-29-2007, 09:28 PM

[quote]
Is muscular definition, what you consider to make or break a fighter?
Wlad was pretty well defined to. Didn't stop a 38 year old, portly Corrie Sanders from knocking the livin' shit out of him now did it?

No fighter would ever beat the macho man.

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I think I just heard red rooster pop a boner.

enquirer

07-30-2007, 03:26 AM

All those who say robinson would have won the lt heavy title but for the heat,di maxim not fight in the same heat? Why didnt a guy as experienced as ray pace himself if he knew it was that hot? And finally,how come after that one failed attempt ray NEVER again tried to fight for another lt heavy strap or rematch maxim?????? That along with him ducking burley shows another side to robbies character....Robbie was no lt heavy,and calzaghe is a big super middle who is a lt heavy or more come fight time...
All the great lt heavies would have smashed robbie,and a few super midddles would have beat him as well....Remember robbies best weight was welter.( or lt middle if it had existed back then.)