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TIGEREDGE
08-11-2008, 01:14 PM
watch the interview at the end. his enthusiasm doesnt seem there. There was none of the 'Ill cut my finger off for $$$$' attitude

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redrooster
08-11-2008, 01:28 PM
It's strange for me to commonly see in articles that "Marvin abruptly chose to retire"

This is very strange because these same writers who cover the sport seemt to forget that both the Leonard and Hearns matches were meant to have come off around 1982. Twice Hearns backed out of the fight-May and June while Leonard showed no interest whatsoever in fighting Marvin at the absolute peak of his powers. What fighter "abruptly" retires after holding a title for 6 years?

To answer your question, Marvin showed no interest because he didnt want to continue boxing.
Robbi
08-11-2008, 02:07 PM
Hagler never retired after the Mugabi fight. That is a stonewall certainty. He ruled out any fight in the coming months after the gruelling fight. I'm sure the Hagler-Hearns rematch was set for the summer of 1986. And with Hagler putting things on hold Arum made the 'Triple Hitter' bill with Hearns-Medal, Duran-Simms, and McGuigan-Cruz.

Hagler IMO made the right move in taking on Leonard, which proved to be the wrong one after the final bell sounded and the scorecards were read out. It was an easier fight on paper, supposedly with less risk involved, and it was the fight the public wanted. It was a new fresh challenge with Hagler recieving his biggest purse of $12 million. Hearns rematch? Been there, done it.
salsanchezfan
08-11-2008, 03:09 PM
.................I actually remember there being quite a lot of interest in a rematch. That was the whole reason Hearns fought Shuler on the Hagler-Mugabi undercard, to spur interest in such a fight.

I think part of the reason it wasn't set in stone or hugely hyped right then was because by this time, Hagler was only really fighting about once a year, and he had Leonard in his sights first, putting the Hearns rematch quite a ways in the distance.
jyuza
08-11-2008, 03:13 PM
Good vid. Thank you very much !
jyuza
08-11-2008, 03:30 PM
I couldn't understand everything at the end of the interview. What did Hearns say after Hagler gave his credits to Mugabi?
Robbi
08-11-2008, 03:33 PM
.................I actually remember there being quite a lot of interest in a rematch. That was the whole reason Hearns fought Shuler on the Hagler-Mugabi undercard, to spur interest in such a fight.

I think part of the reason it wasn't set in stone or hugely hyped right then was because by this time, Hagler was only really fighting about once a year, and he had Leonard in his sights first, putting the Hearns rematch quite a ways in the distance.

He had the Hearns rematch in his sights first. Only when Hagler had the tough fight with Mugabi were things put on hold. I would would go out in a nutshell and come to the conlusion that if Hagler looked sparkling against Mugabi and knocked him out early he would not have taken a long break and went into the unknown on what he was doing next. Hearns would have been accommodated first. And Leonard only began beating the drum through the media for Hagler two months after the Mugabi fight and part of the reason Leonard called him out was because he looked 'beatable' in his opinion.
la-califa
08-11-2008, 04:02 PM
It is Doubtful the Hearns wanted anything to do with Hagler again anyway. Hearns was destroyed that night. Another devistating knock out would have finished Hearns' career then and there. Sure Hagler was slipping, But he would have a huge mental advantage over Hearns. It would be difficult for Hearns to shake off that Knock out and face Hagler again.
Robbi
08-11-2008, 04:53 PM
It is Doubtful the Hearns wanted anything to do with Hagler again anyway.

It's not doubtful, it's a 'fact' that he wanted a lot to do with Hagler again.
jyuza
08-11-2008, 04:56 PM
Damn it, guys.
TIGEREDGE
08-11-2008, 05:03 PM
It's not doubtful, it's a 'fact' that he wanted a lot to do with Hagler again.

I agree. that fight took more out of Hagler than Hearns
JohnThomas1
08-11-2008, 05:31 PM
It's not doubtful, it's a 'fact' that he wanted a lot to do with Hagler again.

He was literally begging for it.


As Sal said, the Hagler - Mugabi card with Hearns - Schuler under it was to build interest in a rematch. Arum i think it was actually offered Hearns sizable money incentives - the earlier he took out Schuler the more money he got. Arum wanted Hearns to look devastating and therefore maximize interest in the rematch.

My memory is the fight was all but signed and Leonard abruptly came out of the woodwork and Hearns was of course cast aside.
TIGEREDGE
08-11-2008, 05:33 PM
He was literally begging for it.


As Sal said, the Hagler - Mugabi card with Hearns - Schuler under it was to build interest in a rematch. Arum i think it was actually offered Hearns sizable money incentives - the earlier he took out Schuler the more money he got. Arum wanted Hearns to look devastating and therefore maximize interest in the rematch.

My memory is the fight was all but signed and Leonard abruptly came out of the woodwork and Hearns was of course cast aside.

you can see why Hearn is rather bitter towards leonard
la-califa
08-11-2008, 05:35 PM
How would a Hagler-Hearns rematch have played out? Repeat of the first or could Hearns have pulled it off? On a side note-This was my 1,000 Post. I really have been having a great time at ESB.
Robbi
08-11-2008, 05:46 PM
How would a Hagler-Hearns rematch have played out? Repeat of the first or could Hearns have pulled it off? On a side note-This was my 1,000 Post. I really have been having a great time at ESB.

Well looking at Hagler's speed, reflexes, and general performance against Leonard I'd take Hearns to beat him. Lets not forget that Hearns was re-engergized after the Hagler defeat, although he did fall flat on his face against Barkley three years later. IMO he would have learned his lesson and kept things strictly at long range.
JohnThomas1
08-11-2008, 06:13 PM
you can see why Hearn is rather bitter towards leonard

He isn't actually, that's Hagler. Hearns gets on great with both of them. If Leonard never rematched Hearns Tommy would be more than bitter tho :lol:
TIGEREDGE
08-11-2008, 06:17 PM
He isn't actually, that's Hagler. Hearns gets on great with both of them. If Leonard never rematched Hearns Tommy would be more than bitter tho :lol:

there was resentment one time. i remember somebody mentioning a statement tommy made. these things die with time

i think marvin has buried the hatchet with ray is well. i remember seeing them pictured together at the hall of fame, all happy
la-califa
08-11-2008, 06:25 PM
there was resentment one time. i remember somebody mentioning a statement tommy made. these things die with time

i think marvin has buried the hatchet with ray is well. i remember seeing them pictured together at the hall of fame, all happyI think Hagler was just imbittered with Boxing in general. When Vito Antuofermo got the draw against him in the first fight. Hagler was very bitter about that & vowed never to leave the fight up to the judges again. Then against Leonard another close one didn't go his way. Hagler was so disgusted with the fightgame he left the sport. Or I read something to that effect.
Bigcat
08-11-2008, 07:23 PM
When Hearns beat Roldan he said in the interview.. " I'd love for us to do it all again, thats another of my wishes Marvin.." Hearns was well up for it...

But things just didn't work out in the end....
jyuza
08-12-2008, 03:49 AM
Thank you for your help guys.
Waynegrade
08-12-2008, 08:35 AM
Marvin always felt that `they` did not want to let him in the door. He was ranked since Valdes was champ. Corro ducked him, Marvin went to Philly and fought all the iron there. He and Goody gave a lot of concessions to make the Leonard fight happen, ring size, rounds gloves. Then he really felt he was jobbed in that fight. After, he and his team pushed very hard for a rematch. But they soon found out that the Sugar man wanted no part of Hagler in a rematch. Frustrated and unable to secure that fight, and get back his belt, he left on a sour note.
JohnThomas1
08-14-2008, 07:22 AM
there was resentment one time. i remember somebody mentioning a statement tommy made. these things die with time


There was resentment, but very early. I've never seen any at all post rematch.
redrooster
08-14-2008, 09:26 AM
Marvin always felt that `they` did not want to let him in the door. He was ranked since Valdes was champ. Corro ducked him, Marvin went to Philly and fought all the iron there. He and Goody gave a lot of concessions to make the Leonard fight happen, ring size, rounds gloves. Then he really felt he was jobbed in that fight. After, he and his team pushed very hard for a rematch. But they soon found out that the Sugar man wanted no part of Hagler in a rematch. Frustrated and unable to secure that fight, and get back his belt, he left on a sour note.

I remember that too. I knew there was no way Ray was going to go for a rematch. He doesnt like being chased he likes to do the chasing and pick his own opponents (Lalonde) that's why he doesnt get the respect from many fans.

He finally messed with the wrong people and wound up paying for it though both physically in the ring and reputation wise.
SorceryatCaesar
08-14-2008, 04:58 PM
hagler never seriously considered a rematch with hearns - he wanted to retire after the mugabi bout - had to be persuaded to fight leonard

marvin just hit the wall - i don't think he's ever fully explained it - he just had his fill of training and being hit - and unlike a lot of boxers he didn't fight it - he accepted it - and decided to move on

and no, he hasn't buried the hatchet with leonard.