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Russell
08-11-2008, 06:01 PM
Howard Eastman is a great example here. His career began at the earliest days of the 90's and even today at the age of 37 he's going the distance with some of the best around like Duddy (A extremely close fight), Arthur Abraham, Bernard Hopkin's, and William Joppy, who he lost a MD too. Had a record of 40-1 at one time. Very durable. Eastman is a career middleweight and never ventured out of his chosen weight class.

Glen Johnson spent a good amount of his career as a middleweight. In my opinion one of the very most underrated fighters of the past 25 years, and probably the most robbed one as well. Absolutely impossible to discourage. I've seen his chin described here with the line "You could drop a fucking piano on the guy and he wouldn't notice". The beating he received against Bernard Hopkin's in maybe Hopkin's career best performance speaks volumes about his durability and guts. Great wins resume as well.

Sergundo Mercado was a South American who once upon a time was a hot prospect. I'm not sure what went wrong, but his career went nowhere after his two fights with Bernard Hopkin's.

Antwun Echol's is a all but forgotten power punching middleweight of the 90's who smashed more than a few prospects. The nickname Kid Dynamite was a well chosen one.

Feel free to do your own short write ups. I continue to plan on doing so for a group of fighters who I feel were overshadowed in their decade by the welterweights and heavyweights, among other weight classes.

I'm looking for details and what not here.

TIGEREDGE
08-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Howard Eastman is a great example here. His career began at the earliest days of the 90's and even today at the age of 37 he's going the distance with some of the best around like Duddy (A extremely close fight), Arthur Abraham, Bernard Hopkin's, and William Joppy, who he lost a MD too. Had a record of 40-1 at one time. Very durable. Eastman is a career middleweight and never ventured out of his chosen weight class.

Glen Johnson spent a good amount of his career as a middleweight. In my opinion one of the very most underrated fighters of the past 25 years, and probably the most robbed one as well. Absolutely impossible to discourage. I've seen his chin described here with the line "You could drop a fucking piano on the guy and he wouldn't notice". The beating he received against Bernard Hopkin's in maybe Hopkin's career best performance speaks volumes about his durability and guts. Great wins resume as well.

Sergundo Mercado was a South American who once upon a time was a hot prospect. I'm not sure what went wrong, but his career went nowhere after his two fights with Bernard Hopkin's.

Antwun Echol's is a all but forgotten power punching middleweight of the 90's who smashed more than a few prospects. The nickname Kid Dynamite was a well chosen one.

Feel free to do your own short write ups. I continue to plan on doing so for a group of fighters who I feel were overshadowed in their decade by the welterweights and heavyweights, among other weight classes.

I'm looking for details and what not here.

What about Keith Holmes, Ritchie Woodhall, Reggie Johnson, Robert mccracken

Woodhall give Jones a great fight in the olympic and should of did more. same with mccracken. he pissed a lot of his potential up the wall

Russell
08-11-2008, 06:28 PM
Do little write ups on all of them if you want!

I'd love to hear about every one of them.

Xplosive
08-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Duddy is one of the best around?:rofl :rofl

If you wanna talk about underrated 90's middleweights, Reggie Johnson comes to mind.

Russell
08-11-2008, 06:50 PM
One of the best. Not elite or anything.

Iron chin, good workrate, solid and respectable power.

Xplosive
08-11-2008, 06:53 PM
One of the best. Not elite or anything.

Iron chin, good workrate, solid and respectable power.

Iron chin? Duddy got seriously hurt, and nearly beaten by a VERY shot Yory Boy Campas. It saved his life that the Pavlik fight didnt come off. Kelly might have literally killed him.

Even a guy like Antwun Echols, when he was prime, would have killed Duddy.

Sweet Pea
08-11-2008, 07:01 PM
So basically this is a thread lauding Hopkins's less than stellar MW opposition.

bladerunner
08-11-2008, 07:04 PM
So basically this is a thread lauding Hopkins's less than stellar MW opposition.
:yep :yep :yep :yep

Russell
08-11-2008, 07:09 PM
So basically this is a thread lauding Hopkins's less than stellar MW opposition.

Nah, looking over Hopkin's career was a good and easy start for some candidates here though.

Thanks for the asinine assumption though.

Loewe
08-11-2008, 07:12 PM
John David Jackson but there was a thread about him not that long ago.
What about Joppy? I´ve only seen his "fight" with Duran and the two massacres against Trinidad and Hopkins.
Segundo Mercado shared a similar fate to Joe Lipsey. Mercado was ruined by Hopkins and Joe decided to never fight again after beeing beaten up by B-Hop. Both were seen as top prospects at the time.
Glen Johnson is one of my favourite active fighters. A true road warrior. Not a great fighter but a very good one.

Mantequilla
08-11-2008, 07:14 PM
Joppy was fairly mediocre.

One of the worst middleweight champions you are likely to see.

Sweet Pea
08-11-2008, 07:18 PM
Nah, looking over Hopkin's career was a good and easy start for some candidates here though.

Thanks for the asinine assumption though.Asinine? :roll: Every single fighter you named was off of Hopkins's resume, and every single fighter you named was second-tier when Hopkins faced them, Johnson included. Johnson himself didn't become a top level fighter at LHW until later in his career, when he had aged, but also gained experience and a more consistently effective style. When he faced Hopkins he had pretty much nothing to offer.

TommyV
08-11-2008, 07:18 PM
So basically this is a thread lauding Hopkins's less than stellar MW opposition.

:lol:

Russell
08-11-2008, 07:27 PM
Asinine? :roll: Every single fighter you named was off of Hopkins's resume, and every single fighter you named was second-tier when Hopkins faced them, Johnson included. Johnson himself didn't become a top level fighter at LHW until later in his career, when he had aged, but also gained experience and a more consistently effective style. When he faced Hopkins he had pretty much nothing to offer.

Sure is. And as I just TOLD you, I started eying HIS resume for middleweights that've gotten lost in time that were at the very least solid fighters.

Anything else you want to baaaaw about with your amazing detective work?

Sweet Pea
08-11-2008, 07:35 PM
Sure is. And as I just TOLD you, I started eying HIS resume for middleweights that've gotten lost in time that were at the very least solid fighters.

Anything else you want to baaaaw about with your amazing detective work?Perhaps you should've dedicated this thread to Hopkins's "underrated" opposition right off the bat then.:good

Get a grip. I pointed out the obvious in the thread, you denied it, and then basically recanted it by admitting this thread was started based on research of Hopkins.

Russell
08-11-2008, 07:42 PM
Nah, if you've read the opening post with your head even partially out of your ass you'd see that I was and am planning on doing multiple posts with different little write-ups on middleweights.

Skimming over Hopkin's records was the easiest and fastest way to get it started.

Resume your crying.

PowerPuncher
08-11-2008, 07:45 PM
The 90s as a whole goes down as the best ever middleweight era in my reckoning.

I think Hopkins competition is underrated, maybe some would have been champs.

The top 90s middleweights are awesome:

Roy Jones
Toney
Hopkins
McCellan
Eubank
Benn
Watson
MacCullum
Michael Nunn
Steve Collins
Julian Jackson
Kalambay

Best Middleweight Era ever? YEP

Sweet Pea
08-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Nah, if you've read the opening post with your head even partially out of your ass you'd see that I was and am planning on doing multiple posts with different little write-ups on middleweights.

Skimming over Hopkin's records was the easiest and fastest way to get it started.

Resume your crying.Throw out whatever petty insults you want, doesn't change the fact that your initial post was overblown nonsense. If you're doing a piece on 90's MW's, why not consider the ones worth mentioning rather than a few of Hopkins's mediocre conquests?

In other words, skim over a different MW's resume if you want to find consistent quality. That wasn't one of the strong points of Hopkins's resume.

Russell
08-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Throw out whatever petty insults you want, doesn't change the fact that your initial post was overblown nonsense. If you're doing a piece on 90's MW's, why not consider the ones worth mentioning rather than a few of Hopkins's mediocre conquests?

In other words, skim over a different MW's resume if you want to find consistent quality. That wasn't one of the strong points of Hopkins's resume.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaw. :|

Sweet Pea
08-11-2008, 08:01 PM
Looks like I won that exchange.

Muchmoore
08-11-2008, 08:16 PM
Robert allen fought over 400 times for the middleweight title against bhop.

:lol:

Just about.

Mantequilla
08-11-2008, 10:49 PM
The 90s as a whole goes down as the best ever middleweight era in my reckoning.

I think Hopkins competition is underrated, maybe some would have been champs.

The top 90s middleweights are awesome:

Roy Jones
Toney
Hopkins
McCellan
Eubank
Benn
Watson
MacCullum
Michael Nunn
Steve Collins
Julian Jackson
Kalambay

Best Middleweight Era ever? YEP

Not really a clearly defined era there.

Half those fighters were eighties fighters as far as 160 goes(supermiddle falls under lightheavy not middleweight remember).

The late eighties\early nineties period was strong, mostly made up of eighties fighters.The mid to late nineties have mostly been garbage.

salsanchezfan
08-11-2008, 11:41 PM
...............I remember being pretty impressed with Reggie Johnson as a middleweight. Excellent boxer who reminded me a bit of Winky Wight, but a little more aggressive. Slick, hard to catch flush, high guard, southpaw, a bit limited in the power department.

It should be noted that he fought Toney to a virtual standstill in '91, even dropping him along the way (no slip, a real knockdown).

fists of fury
08-12-2008, 04:18 AM
...............I remember being pretty impressed with Reggie Johnson as a middleweight. Excellent boxer who reminded me a bit of Winky Wight, but a little more aggressive. Slick, hard to catch flush, high guard, southpaw, a bit limited in the power department.

It should be noted that he fought Toney to a virtual standstill in '91, even dropping him along the way (no slip, a real knockdown).

That was a very risky fight to take, especially for a young champion making his first defense. I thought Toney's management was very bold about that one.
After the Johnson fight I was convinced Toney would make the grade as a middleweight champ...too bad Jones had to show up in the end.