If there were still only 8 weightclasses....

[thunder06]

with one champion per class, like the old days, who do you guys think would be the champions of their weight classes today?

for me:

HW: Wladimir Klitchko
LHW: Calzhage
MW: obviously Taylor
WW:Mayweather?


thats all i got right now.

[Jose FM]

haha LHW calzaghe, yeah right mang... What kind of creds does he have to all of a sudden be the man at LHW, hes not even the man at 168lbs, let alone 175!

[thunder06]

haha LHW calzaghe, yeah right mang... What kind of creds does he have to all of a sudden be the man at LHW, hes not even the man at 168lbs, let alone 175!


who would you pick then?

[DanePugilist]

HW: Wlad.
LHW: Kessler.
MW: Pavlik.
WW: Cotto.
LW: J. Diaz.
FW: Pacman.
BW: Rafael Marquez.
FW: Cristian Mijares.

[Dostoevsky]

HW: Wladimir
CW: Mormeck (soon to be Haye;))
LHW: Woods
MW: Taylor
WW: Mayweather
LW: Pacquiao
FW: Juan Manuel Márquez
BW: Rafael Márquez

[Jose FM]

who would you pick then?
I would put Hopkins over Calzaghe, Even Kessler over Calzaghe.

[King Dan]

HW- Klitschko
LHW- Hopkins
MDW- Pavlik (after Sept. 29)
WW- Mayweather
LW- Juan Diaz
FW- Rafa Marquez

[Rock0052]

I'd put Dawson, Calzaghe, and Kessler above Hopkins at LHW.

[yesihavearm]

I would put Hopkins over Calzaghe, Even Kessler over Calzaghe.

I'd put Calzaghe, Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Dawson, Johnson and Pavlik over Kessler. Maybe Woods.

[Scar]

with one champion per class, like the old days, who do you guys think would be the champions of their weight classes today?

for me:

HW: Wladimir Klitchko
LHW: Calzhage
MW: obviously Taylor
WW:Mayweather?


thats all i got right now.

LHW Calzaghe?, please man. I know that Calzaghe is very skilled and strong but what has this guy done apart from fighting Lacy(after cancelling twice)?, Manfredo?, Bika?, shot Eubank?

[Illmatic]

Heavyweight: Wlad
Light Heavy: Calzaghe
Middleweight: Taylor
Welterweight: Mayweather
Lightweight: Casamayor
Featherweight: Rafael Marquez
Bantamweight: Fernando Montiel
Flyweight: DOnaire

[Smazz20]

LHW Calzaghe?, please man. I know that Calzaghe is very skilled and strong but what has this guy done apart from fighting Lacy(after cancelling twice)?, Manfredo?, Bika?, shot Eubank?


Just because he hasn't dosen't mean he couldn't. Hopkins beat an over rated Antonio Tarver and a Wright who was fighting 2-3 classes above his best weight.

Dawson and Kessler have both got a claim to make but all three are definitley ahead of Hopkins at this stage.

[Scar]

Just because he hasn't dosen't mean he couldn't. Hopkins beat an over rated Antonio Tarver and a Wright who was fighting 2-3 classes above his best weight.

Dawson and Kessler have both got a claim to make but all three are definitley ahead of Hopkins at this stage.

Let's see how Calzaghe will be able to fight the top LHW at age 41 and succeed. You might want to reconsider discussing when it comes to accomplishments if Calzaghe is in your side because there obviously isn't much to brag about here and might never be. Did you ask yourself where was Calzaghe when guys like Roy Jones, Tarver, Hopkins, Toney and many others were fighting each other?, was he waiting for them to go to England too?, or maybe they ducked him like ****** wants you to believe, sure they are that's why Hopkins is the one calling him out now despite being 42 years old. Hopkins has accomplished more in his fights at the age of 40-42 than Calzaghe's entire career.

[yesihavearm]

LHW Calzaghe?, please man. I know that Calzaghe is very skilled and strong but what has this guy done apart from fighting Lacy(after cancelling twice)?, Manfredo?, Bika?, shot Eubank?

So who would you say would beat him at LHW once he beats Kessler ? Only Hopkins imo and I think then i'd still favour joe.

[Scar]

So who would you say would beat him at LHW once he beats Kessler ? Only Hopkins imo and I think then i'd still favour joe.

Hopkins has a chance, so does Dawson and Tarver. Calzaghe hasn't fought at Light Heavyweight and is failing to make major fights in his own division, why the hell should he be #1?

[Smazz20]

Let's see how Calzaghe will be able to fight the top LHW at age 41 and succeed. You might want to reconsider discussing when it comes to accomplishments if Calzaghe is in your side because there obviously isn't much to brag about here and might never be. Did you ask yourself where was Calzaghe when guys like Roy Jones, Tarver, Hopkins, Toney and many others were fighting each other?, was he waiting for them to go to England too?, or maybe they ducked him like ****** wants you to believe, sure they are that's why Hopkins is the one calling him out now despite being 42 years old. Hopkins has accomplished more in his fights at the age of 40-42 than Calzaghe's entire career.

I never mentioned accomplishments. Calzaghe could of moved up to LH earlier in his career, yes. But he didn't. Hopkins moved up 2 years ago and has had 2 fights. Taver and Wright. That's supposed to be world beater. Calzaghe, Kessler and Dawson don't have the resume of Hopkins or even Tarver based on his wins over Jones, but all three would beat either of them two.

The only fighter of those four I would claim ducked Calzaghe is Hopkins. I base this on him jumping 2 weightclasses to fight Tarver. This is more transparent than Jones moving to heavy to fight Ruiz instead of Lewis. Good wins for both but nevertheless, not as good as they could of been.

Answer me this, what would you give more credit for. Moving to 168 and beating Calzaghe before moving on to 175 and beating Tarver or just going straight up to 175, bypassing the biggest challenge available.

[yesihavearm]

Hopkins has a chance, so does Dawson and Tarver. Calzaghe hasn't fought at Light Heavyweight and is failing to make major fights in his own division, why the hell should he be #1?
Calzaghe HAS fought at light-heavyweight...check his record...and has said on many occasions that he's JUST as happy fighting at that weight.

Failing to make the major fights in his divison ? Wtf r u talking about. He's fighting the WBC/WBA and number 2 SMW Mikkel Kessler ? Hows that not making the big fights ? Who the hell should he fight then, Carl fucking Froch ?

Yes Hopkins has a chance, the fight between the 2 should definatly be made in the future. But Dawson and Tarver ? Antonio already got dominated by Hopkins who we've said is 50/50 with Joe if they fought. Dawson ? How can you compare Dawson who's had one decent win in his whole career to arguably the best SMW in history ?

For the record I was very unfair on Kessler in my previous post I was more attacking the actual post than Kessler himself who's a world class boxer.

But come on, the only 2 fighters you could realistically put as number 1 at LHW if 8 div's only existed is Joe or Bernard.

[Scar]

I never mentioned accomplishments. Calzaghe could of moved up to LH earlier in his career, yes. But he didn't. Hopkins moved up 2 years ago and has had 2 fights. Taver and Wright. That's supposed to be world beater. Calzaghe, Kessler and Dawson don't have the resume of Hopkins or even Tarver based on his wins over Jones, but all three would beat either of them two.

The only fighter of those four I would claim ducked Calzaghe is Hopkins. I base this on him jumping 2 weightclasses to fight Tarver. This is more transparent than Jones moving to heavy to fight Ruiz instead of Lewis. Good wins for both but nevertheless, not as good as they could of been.

Answer me this, what would you give more credit for. Moving to 168 and beating Calzaghe before moving on to 175 and beating Tarver or just going straight up to 175, bypassing the biggest challenge available.

Give me a damn break, Calzaghe at 168 being a bigger challenge than Tarver at 175?, Tarver was coming off wins over Glen Johnson and Roy Jones, Calzaghe is coming off a win over Jeff Lacy. This statement actually made me laugh and I'm still laughing. Before fighting Tarver people thought that Hopkins was going to get KILLED and the odds didn't lie. It's DEFINITELY Tarver instead of Calzaghe, just sit down and imagine this fight hasn't happened you would pick Bernard to win over Tarver at the time especially after coming off losses to JT?, fighting Calzaghe wasn't going to do SHIT for Hopkins, that win over Tarver all alone is bigger than what Calzaghe has done ALL his career and will most likely remain even after Calzaghe retires. If Hopkins has no trouble moving up 2 divisions above for the first time since his first professional fight and at age 41 then Calzaghe has major problems moving from England to America, simple and clear.

[Scar]

Calzaghe HAS fought at light-heavyweight...check his record...and has said on many occasions that he's JUST as happy fighting at that weight.

Failing to make the major fights in his divison ? Wtf r u talking about. He's fighting the WBC/WBA and number 2 SMW Mikkel Kessler ? Hows that not making the big fights ? Who the hell should he fight then, Carl fucking Froch ?

Yes Hopkins has a chance, the fight between the 2 should definatly be made in the future. But Dawson and Tarver ? Antonio already got dominated by Hopkins who we've said is 50/50 with Joe if they fought. Dawson ? How can you compare Dawson who's had one decent win in his whole career to arguably the best SMW in history ?

For the record I was very unfair on Kessler in my previous post I was more attacking the actual post than Kessler himself who's a world class boxer.

But come on, the only 2 fighters you could realistically put as number 1 at LHW if 8 div's only existed is Joe or Bernard.

Funny how you say Dawson has had 1 decent win when that's the same thing Calzaghe has had and his fight with Kessler didn't happen yet to consider, don't forget the possible injuries that can postpone this. In my opinion only one fighter can be put as number one and that's Bernard for actually DOING something major at light heavyweight and thanks for telling me about Calzaghe fighting at Light heavyweight, I honestly didn't know about that.

[Smazz20]

Give me a damn break, Calzaghe at 168 being a bigger challenge than Tarver at 175?, Tarver was coming off wins over Glen Johnson and Roy Jones, Calzaghe is coming off a win over Jeff Lacy. This statement actually made me laugh and I'm still laughing. Before fighting Tarver people thought that Hopkins was going to get KILLED and the odds didn't lie. It's DEFINITELY Tarver instead of Calzaghe, just sit down and imagine this fight hasn't happened you would pick Bernard to win over Tarver at the time especially after coming off losses to JT?, fighting Calzaghe wasn't going to do SHIT for Hopkins, that win over Tarver all alone is bigger than what Calzaghe has done ALL his career and will most likely remain even after Calzaghe retires. If Hopkins has no trouble moving up 2 divisions above for the first time since his first professional fight and at age 41 then Calzaghe has major problems moving from England to America, simple and clear.


Actaullay, I had Tarver winning that one, I must admit. Purely based on Hopkins age and moving up two weightclasses. As a fighter he is several leagues above Tarver. Johnson is a good fighter but Jones was shot. Tarver didn't beat a prime Jones so why you even put that in there, I don't know. Tarver is one of the most over rated fighters in the last few years. He beat a shot Jones and beat another man who made his name over beating a shot Jones.

But feel free to credit a win for Hopkins over him as being better than a win over Calzaghe. Calzaghe could and should have fought in America by now. But that's beside the point. Would you give Calzaghe more credit for beating Lacy in Tampa than Manchester.

Actually don't answer. It's quite obvious you would. Which is the saddest part of all. It should be who you fight, not where.

[yesihavearm]

Funny how you say Dawson has had 1 decent win when that's the same thing Calzaghe has had and his fight with Kessler didn't happen yet to consider, don't forget the possible injuries that can postpone this. In my opinion only one fighter can be put as number one and that's Bernard for actually DOING something major at light heavyweight and thanks for telling me about Calzaghe fighting at Light heavyweight, I honestly didn't know about that.
Joe's beaten Eubank (At 33, 2 years younger than Calz is now), Woodhall, Reid, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy. Thats 7 former world champions that Joe has faced and won against. People who say Joe has only 1 or 2 good wins seriously under-estimate his resume, ok I admit its not as good as it could have been, but its not bad.

Ok Joe hasnt done anything major at Light-heavyweight but if we're merging all the divisions into 8 Major divisons then Super-Middles will merge into LHW and if we're doing that Calzaghe has actually done more in the LHW division because we're including SMW in that aswell.

Not having a go, just getting a point accross.

Oh yeah, I think most people were putting Tarver to win against Hopkins before the fight. Credit to Bernard. But lets be honest, Calzaghe would absolutely destroy Tarver. He's so over-rated. Wins against a past-it Jones Jr and then gets dominated.

Hopkins vs Calzaghe at LHW is 50/50. Its also a fight i'd love to see.

Im putting Joe as number1 LHW in this NEW LHW divison we've made up, simply because he's done more in theory. Hopkins has only even had 2 recent fights at LHW, see my point :)

[Fitir]

Calzaghe or Kessler at LHW ? I am not so sure of that. Dawson at LHW is no pushover. Also consider that a guy like Mormeck is a natural LHW and he wouldn't have fought at HW if the cruiser div hadn't existed.. He came at cruiser cause the only shot he could obtain with Acaries was at cruiser.
At 175 lbs a prime Mormeck would have been more dangerous than every guy Calzaghe/Kessler beat at 168 : Lucas, Beyer, Lacy, Andrade etc. Guys like Braithwaite etc. would have also fought at LHW. Kessler for example would lose one of the advantages he has at 168 : his superior size/strength.
It would give a tough division and I don't see why the SMW titleholders would be favored to rule such a division.