Will Pavlik go to top 10 pound per pound list if he beat Taylor?

[Stinky gloves]

Obviously Taylor went to top 10 by beating Hopkins 2x with close decision.
Will the same happen with Pavlik if the beat decisively Taylor?

[brooklyn1550]

It all depends on the outcomes of the fights coming up with Calzaghe-Kessler, Cotto-Mosley, Barrera-Pacquiao 2, Marquez-Vazquez 2, and Marquez-Barrios. Pavlik might find his way into the top 10, but he might not.

[Odo]

Obviously Taylor went to top 10 by beating Hopkins 2x with close decision.
Will the same happen with Pavlik if the beat decisively Taylor?

Probably yes!
He has an American passport.This makes him -automatically-a hot prospect for a 10 pound per pound list.
Well,apart from Miranda he hasnt beaten any known name,and in terms of quality opponents he cant hold a candle to his rival Arthur Abraham,but....hey,he has an American passport.
Much more important than any real skills in the paid ranks!
boxingtalk ranks Wilson at 7 at cruiser weight.Why? He has an American passport.It doesnt really matter than he lost to Cora,Tokarev,and Purlette,and that Tokarev beat both Wilson and Cora,but was schooled in his last fight by huge cruiser weight talent Huck who.................is ranked at nr.9 by boxingtalk.Funny,eh! Well,Huck isnt the owner of a piece of paper called American passport.

[tpuz]

I think if Pavlik wins decisively, then he definitely should be in the top 10p4p. Taylor, Wright, Hopkins, DeLahoya, Mayweather are all very close to eachother, so if Pavlik wins big, then you could argue that he is better than all of these guys.

[H .]

Doubtful, Taylor accomplished a lot by defeating Hopkins twice. Nowadays, Taylor hasn't been impressive, it's almost expected that Pavlik will win.

[brooklyn1550]

Probably yes!
He has an American passport.This makes him -automatically-a hot prospect for a 10 pound per pound list.
Well,apart from Miranda he hasnt beaten any known name,and in terms of quality opponents he cant hold a candle to his rival Arthur Abraham,but....hey,he has an American passport.
Much more important than any real skills in the paid ranks!
boxingtalk ranks Wilson at 7 at cruiser weight.Why? He has an American passport.It doesnt really matter than he lost to Cora,Tokarev,and Purlette,and that Tokarev beat both Wilson and Cora,but was schooled in his last fight by huge cruiser weight talent Huck who.................is ranked at nr.9 by boxingtalk.Funny,eh! Well,Huck isnt the owner of a piece of paper called American passport.

You say that these websites and Ring Magazine are biased towards people with American citizenship, but you are the exact same way on the other side of the spectrum (with European fighters). Pavlik is every bit as good as Arthur Abraham talent wise, but he just hasn't accomplished as much.

[BxN]

No.

[Stinky gloves]

No.

By saying no do you want to tell that either Hopkins was much better than
Taylor as the champion or that Taylor was better than Pavlik as the contender?

[DanePugilist]

He would not have done enough, but he would acquire some of Taylors recognition.

[FlatNose]

A win over Taylor would certainly put him on the porch, but not in the door.But I think Taylor beats him anyway.

[Rock0052]

If he knocks out Taylor, then yes- because two guys everyone had top 5 P4P didn't beat JT...if Pavlik KO's him, I don't see how you can leave him off the top 10 list.

Granted, I think any kind of list like that has to be taken with a grain of salt because half the rankings are old guys fighting amongst each other without giving the young lions a shot to prove they belong, but going by those rules...Pavlik should be top 10-ish if he stops Taylor.

[FlatNose]

A win over Taylor would certainly put him on the porch, but not in the door.But I think Taylor beats him anyway.

[Jose FM]

It all depends on the outcomes of the fights coming up with Calzaghe-Kessler, Cotto-Mosley, Barrera-Pacquiao 2, Marquez-Vazquez 2, and Marquez-Barrios. Pavlik might find his way into the top 10, but he might not.
:good

[Brickhaus]

I think he's just on the outside. He's probably not even top 20 P4P at this point, you don't just jump into the top 10 P4P just because you beat the champ in your division, a top 10 fighter in your weight class and a bunch of journeymen.

[Stinky gloves]

I think he's just on the outside. He's probably not even top 20 P4P at this point, you don't just jump into the top 10 P4P just because you beat the champ in your division, a top 10 fighter in your weight class and a bunch of journeymen.
But who did Taylor beat before Hopkins to be at the lever which guarantee him the top 10?

[achillesthegreat]

I would rank him top 10. He is an undefeated fighter who LOOKS the part.

He would have beaten the most dangerous contender at 160 and then a top 10 P4P fighter who happens to be 'the man'.

He'd sure as hell have the world at his feet.

[achillesthegreat]

I'm worried if Taylor doesn't get himself a good defence he'll be in trouble. I know Steward can show him all the things needed to best Pavlik BUT he doesn't want to listen and he has been under Steward for 3 fights or so.

I like Taylor, I really respect him. I don't support him but I always root for his kind. But Pavlik has me intrigued. Miranda is the first fight I really saw of Pavliks.

[Smazz20]

I'm worried if Taylor doesn't get himself a good defence he'll be in trouble. I know Steward can show him all the things needed to best Pavlik BUT he doesn't want to listen and he has been under Steward for 3 fights or so.

I like Taylor, I really respect him. I don't support him but I always root for his kind. But Pavlik has me intrigued. Miranda is the first fight I really saw of Pavliks.

I smell racist:blood


I doubt Pavlik will even beat Taylor. But if he did, i'd say it's safe bet that he'd be ring magazine top 10 p4p.

[Zakman]

Doubtful, Taylor accomplished a lot by defeating Hopkins twice. Nowadays, Taylor hasn't been impressive, it's almost expected that Pavlik will win.


Taylor got a couple of blatant gift decisions against Hopkins and another gift against Wright. Then he went on to stuggle with light-hitting guys moving up from the lower weights. He really shouldn't even be in the top ten.

When Pavlik knocks this FRAUD out, a strong case could made that he's borderline, maybe even in the lower reaches - because although "Gift Decision" Taylor shouldn't really be in the top ten he's on alot of lists.

Shows ya what a lot of hype and some HBO-giftwrappped decisions will do!

[paulfv]

Good thread topic question. If he doesn't, he has to be very close

[BlueApollo]

Bad footwork, bad balance, sloppy punches and sloppy defense. I dont see how Pavlik, even with his great power, can go in and expect to win with those obvoius holes in his game.

Hold up, which of those flaws doesn't Jermain have?

The only thing I'm more than 80% sure of in this matchup is that it goes the distance. Jermain has shown a decent chin, they both are young and should come in top shape, and they'll probably show each other too much respect. As to who wins... right now I'm leaning slightly towards Pavlik.

If Pavlik beats Jermain, then either defends impressively at 160 or moves up and beats a name at 168, he makes top 10 P4P.

[Executioner]

I don't know..that's an if..a very big IF. There's a ton of great fights this year so we'll have to see. If he doesn't make it top 10, he's very, very close.

[hopkinsfan07]

this is all pointless anyway because taylor wont lose

[Odo]

You say that these websites and Ring Magazine are biased towards people with American citizenship, but you are the exact same way on the other side of the spectrum (with European fighters). Pavlik is every bit as good as Arthur Abraham talent wise, but he just hasn't accomplished as much.

You say it,mate!

Pavlik hasnt accomplished as much as Abraham has,but people here already start calling him a p4p fighter.
Pavlik has talent.Thats for sure! I dont intend to belittle Pavlik.However,if he stemed from Armenia like Abraham nobody would ever start calling him a potential p4p fighter after countless fights against no-hopers and journeymen and one good fight against Miranda.
The USA and fight fans from there dominate all important fight mags,websites,and so on.
The Ring magazine and websites like boxingtalk are pathetically biased in favour of their home boys.There is no doubt about it!
I may exaggerate a bit,but there are not a lot of posters here on esb who point out that most american fighters are protected and overrated.The truth always hurts,eh!
My tiny Belarus beat the mighty USA in their last encounter at the amateurs.Of course none of the members of the Belarussian squad has turned pro so far,and I guess that none of them will turn pro due to lack of opportunities.
Fighters from the USA are totally overrated.If all the talented fighters from the countries of the former soviet union had an opportunity to turn pro you would hardly be able to find any American name among the top 30 of most weight divisions.
And all the so called all time great from the USA wouldnt be so great if fighters from the soviet union had been able to fight at the pros 20,30 years ago.

[Ethan Trims]

You say that these websites and Ring Magazine are biased towards people with American citizenship, but you are the exact same way on the other side of the spectrum (with European fighters). Pavlik is every bit as good as Arthur Abraham talent wise, but he just hasn't accomplished as much.

Yeah youre right, him beating the shit out of miranda isnt the same as Abraham almost being beaten to death by miranda.

[Luigi1985]

Yeah youre right, him beating the shit out of miranda isnt the same as Abraham almost being beaten to death by miranda.


Agreed. In this fight, although his jaw was broken, showed that Pavlik would be clearly the favourite in a fight between AA and Pavlik...

[marauder1999]

Probably yes!
He has an American passport.This makes him -automatically-a hot prospect for a 10 pound per pound list.
Well,apart from Miranda he hasnt beaten any known name,and in terms of quality opponents he cant hold a candle to his rival Arthur Abraham,but....hey,he has an American passport.
Much more important than any real skills in the paid ranks!
boxingtalk ranks Wilson at 7 at cruiser weight.Why? He has an American passport.It doesnt really matter than he lost to Cora,Tokarev,and Purlette,and that Tokarev beat both Wilson and Cora,but was schooled in his last fight by huge cruiser weight talent Huck who.................is ranked at nr.9 by boxingtalk.Funny,eh! Well,Huck isnt the owner of a piece of paper called American passport.

Alot of hatred in this post. Sounds to me you secretly yearn for an american passport.....by the way--abraham isnt as good as u think--wait--didnt miranda give him a run for his money a full 12 rounds? Oh yes--and didnt pavlik lay an ass whooping on miranda that could be hailed fight of the year---so that means abraham is the better fighter than pavlik?? Give me a break--the bouts speak for themselves pavlik would beat abraham because if miranda almost did it--pavlik will definetely.

Now , go get a passport.

[Smazz20]

Alot of hatred in this post. Sounds to me you secretly yearn for an american passport.....by the way--abraham isnt as good as u think--wait--didnt miranda give him a run for his money a full 12 rounds? Oh yes--and didnt pavlik lay an ass whooping on miranda that could be hailed fight of the year---so that means abraham is the better fighter than pavlik?? Give me a break--the bouts speak for themselves pavlik would beat abraham because if miranda almost did it--pavlik will definetely.

Now , go get a passport.

Well Tarver hammered RJJ 2 out of 3 times, so therefore whats the point of fighting Hopkins. Oh wait, he did.

[marauder1999]

Well Tarver hammered RJJ 2 out of 3 times, so therefore whats the point of fighting Hopkins. Oh wait, he did.

Im not talking tarver--this was him saying that abraham would easily beat pavlik and the point was made using miranda. Tarver or Roy has nothing to do it.

[LeedsLad]

Obviously Taylor went to top 10 by beating Hopkins 2x with close decision.
Will the same happen with Pavlik if the beat decisively Taylor?

He would probably temporarily, but there are very big fights around that time too which means he could be out of there pretty quick come the start of 2008.