Mike Tyson vs Lenny McClean Primes

[sjc]

Queensbury rules. I am embarrassed to be asking this but is because of an argument of late with a few fools I know.

My argument = Tyson KO1 (2 if i'm incredibly generous).

Sorry to waste your time with this crap :oops:

[FLINT ISLAND]

No 2 rounds is too generous.

Under Queensbury Rules.

Tyson KO 1.

this would be a Pete McCneely stlye fight

Lenny would come out all guns blazing until Tyson slotted a uppercut through then that would be the beginning of the end

you say 2 rounds

but Tyson does not hang about

Tyson KO 1

[Jack]

Tyson KO within 20 seconds.

The guy stands no chance against an alright heavyweight. Nevermind someone who destroyed good heavyweights in his prime. Someone like John Ruiz would wipe him out in a round too. A journeyman heavyweight like Ron Stander lays him out too.

Alright fighter. Probably hard hitting, tough and strong, but wouldn't make any kind of impact in the pros. He would be like Ron Lyle without the talent.

[sjc]

Yes quite what I thought, round 2 only if Tyson comes out slow and relaxed (i.e. merciful :lol:)

[sjc]

Keep the replys coming thanks, i'm looking forward to showing this thread to my McClean fans :yep

(Of course, they know fuck all but annoying cos they think they do and I was outnumbered in the argument... wtf I know)

[FLINT ISLAND]

Yes quite what I thought, round 2 only if Tyson comes out slow and relaxed (i.e. merciful :lol:)

Thats the thing though

When have you ever seen Tyson coming out slow and relaxed.

Tell that to

Carl "The Truth" Williams

Michael Spinks

Henry Tillman

etc

superior fighters to Lenny "Limited" McClean

all left in a dream land inside one round

[Jack]

Yes quite what I thought, round 2 only if Tyson comes out slow and relaxed (i.e. merciful :lol:)
McLean's style is to jump on the opponent, so Tyson wouldn't get chance to start slow. McLean would, wrongly, try to pressue him, Tyson would land something straight away and the fight would be over.

McLean isn't going to run and Tyson won't back down.

Under 20 seconds, I reckon.

[Beatboxer]

Tyson KO1

[scurlaruntings]

I was in Brentwood a few weeks back and saw Roy Shaw. He still looks like a fruit cake after all these years. McClean lost to Shaw once. As much steroids as McClean was on lets be real he was a nutter much like Shaw but he hardly had the skills of a professional boxer. Tyson would demolish him in less than a minute.

[The Exile]

Anyone of your mates who disputes that Tyson would demolish Lenny within a minute needs help of the psychatric kind :yep

[girv]

Tyson TKO 1, even old fat present day Tyson would win easily.

[JonOli]

Tyson KO 1 min.

[achillesthegreat]

this would be a Pete McCneely stlye fight

yep.

[Top Dog]

Man, I cant believe some of this guys mates think Mclean would beat Tyson, WTF!! McLean wasnt an unbeaten fighter you know, he was seemingly KO'D by a good amateur heavyweight years ago! Tyson would kill McLean, it's not even a fight. Even on the streets Tyson would KTFO OF McLean, tell your mates to start taking their medication again for fucks sake

[scrap]

You wouldnt put McClean in the same Town never mind the same Ring.

[berserkafied]

Tyson - By MURDER

[toffeejack]

I was in Brentwood a few weeks back and saw Roy Shaw. He still looks like a fruit cake after all these years. McClean lost to Shaw once. As much steroids as McClean was on lets be real he was a nutter much like Shaw but he hardly had the skills of a professional boxer. Tyson would demolish him in less than a minute.

Does he still look in good shape even at his age now? It's those eyes of his that does it for me, you really would be an idiot to upset him.

I have both their books, great reads but Shaw seems to come across as the better guy I think personality wise.

By the way, not even a contest in Queensbury rules, Tyson would demolish them both within the first minute.

[scurlaruntings]

Does he still look in good shape even at his age now? It's those eyes of his that does it for me, you really would be an idiot to upset him.

I have both their books, great reads but Shaw seems to come across as the better guy I think personality wise.

By the way, not even a contest in Queensbury rules, Tyson would demolish them both within the first minute.He looked like a shambling old man to be honest. But i guess he wasnt in that bad shape:yep He seemed fairly disinterested and was surrounded by minders or whatever they were. His eyes still look like those of a maniac..

[chesh]

Tyson KO1, first minute.

[slapsSOgood]

bit of an unfair comparison, seeing as mclean's boxing training probably consisted of farting about in a gym when he was 10, and then knocking people out as a bouncer.

size and aggression wise they are on level pegging.

[Top Dog]

bit of an unfair comparison, seeing as mclean's boxing training probably consisted of farting about in a gym when he was 10, and then knocking people out as a bouncer.

size and aggression wise they are on level pegging.

Fair enough, but Tyson hit about 10 times harder than McLean.

[joe33]

Man tyson would go in for a bite of the ear,as lenny nuts him.Tyson would destroy him to be truthful,he would maybe put him in a wheelchair and im not joking here.Mcleans book is a good laugh,but thats about it,he has lost a lot of fights by all accounts,the way he told it he lost once to shaw,some other guys beat him.Also the bit that makes me laugh in the book is when he says he went out side to fight 60 or so young teen thugs,get the fuck out of here lenny,no ones thats fucking stupid,you would be swamped in minutes,and probaly killed

[JonOli]

he lost once to shaw.

Shaw was a blown up middle as well, or something like that.

[janitor]

Queensbury rules. I am embarrassed to be asking this but is because of an argument of late with a few fools I know.

My argument = Tyson KO1 (2 if i'm incredibly generous).

Sorry to waste your time with this crap :oops:

Any world class midleweight would destroy McClean.

Most of the guys with hard man biographies are jokers.

[John18]

Not just world class MW's IMO.

[brown bomber]

Anyone who thinks McLean had any chance needs to reconsider there entire outlook on life.

[nicofly]

Its a no brainer this as im sure you well know, tell your mates who clearly no nothing about the sport to give there heads a right good shake. ;)

TYSON KO 1 minute max.

[stuey]

Tyson would fuck him till he loved him.

oh, and then eat his children...

[KCD]

In a boxing match............Tyson in under 30seconds.

In a bare knuckle fight.............Tyson in under a minute

In a street fight...........Tyson via death

[cockney wankers]

Perhaps the most stupid question ever asked in the Brit Forum.

Bear in mind that McLean lost to British journeymen pros Johnny Waldren twice and Cliff Fields twice.

[Rob3]

I remember reading in Roy Shaw's biography that Lenny claimed to of had something like 30,000 fights. Which worked out at something mad like 8 fights a day:lol: .

Atleast Shaw seemed more level headed. He admitted his best win over Ron Stander was cos Stander was ill and that he would of lost easily if that hadn't been the case. He knew he wasn't in there class and admits it, the majority of these 'hard men' would have you believe that they would of beaten Ali, only they couldn't be bothered.

[brown_bomber]

tyson would butt fuk mcclean ko 1

[cockney wankers]

I remember reading in Roy Shaw's biography that Lenny claimed to of had something like 30,000 fights. Which worked out at something mad like 8 fights a day:lol: .

Atleast Shaw seemed more level headed. He admitted his best win over Ron Stander was cos Stander was ill and that he would of lost easily if that hadn't been the case. He knew he wasn't in there class and admits it, the majority of these 'hard men' would have you believe that they would of beaten Ali, only they couldn't be bothered.

Yeah, and the biggest knobhead of them all is that pseudo Cockney Wanker 'hardman' Albert Reading who claims to have 'done' every known 'face' who ever lived. He also claimed that he would 'do' Tyson if he ever felt like it by throwing a bottle of acid in his face!! What a Cockney Wanker:lol:

[Rob3]

Yeah, and the biggest knobhead of them all is that pseudo Cockney Wanker 'hardman' Albert Reading who claims to have 'done' every known 'face' who ever lived. He also claimed that he would 'do' Tyson if he ever felt like it by throwing a bottle of acid in his face!! What a Cockney Wanker:lol:

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

[FLINT ISLAND]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

:lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

[Rob3]

:lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

TBH that's only slightly exaggarrating:rofl:lol:

[cockney wankers]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: In other words.........a Cockney WANKER!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ron u.k.]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.':rofl :rofl :rofl absolutely mint.that just about sums those jokers up.

[Rebel-INS]

Tyson would ruin the guv'nor in 10 seconds. It'd be the easiest fight of his career.

[David UK]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

I've just pissed myself laughing so much. You have captured the 'zeitgeist' so accurately. The only exception is the book by Roy Shaw, who admits he would have lost to any even fringe world class fighter. Shaw is the only one of these clowns who deserves respect.

[slapsSOgood]

not that much though, his book is still full of posturing and boasting. I used to love Lenny Mclean and Roy Shaw, and once saw Mad Frankie Fraser doing a book signing (by accident), but that was when I was a kid. Now I see it as a bit pathetic being in and out of jail and good at beating people up on the street.

[kerrminator]

Tyson easy. It would be over so quick it would make Prescott Khan look like a long fight.

[trotter]

No disrespect to the poster but this shit shouldn't be allowed in the Brit forum

I thought I'd gone onto the general / lounge by mistake

We should maintain better standards than this in here

[phonk]

:rofl

I love shit threads like this.

:rofl

[Ilesey]

Tyson by stoppage. McClean would give it a good go but Tyson would pound on McClean until he stopped him.

['Ben']

Lenny Mclean, with his chin the air would be knocked out in a way he would never want to imagine inside the ring by Tyson or any decent heavyweight boxer actually. Lenny was a hard cunt and could fight in the very well outside of queensberry rules but not in a boxing ring.

[Flea Man]

mcLean was sparked TWICE by a domestic level Light-heavy, something he omitted from his autobiography (funnily enough)

he was a HARD BLOKE. I'd doubt he could beat Martin Rogan, and that's not a sleight on Rogie either, just saying whoever the thread starters mates are..well, they clearly have no clue lol

[Lee Mc]

Tyson KO 15 seconds McClean...

McClean, by all accounts, even had to stage fights in an attempt to look hard.

[kieron]

As much as I loved Lenny and his life story. He was no boxer. He was a heavy-handed street fighter with little boxing skills. I'd say Tyson sparks him with a devastating left hook within the first 30 seconds. If you've seen Lenny fight he was really square on and had his chin hanging out to dry! It's a shame that the question has been asked really as Lenny was a legend and it seems that there is a lot of hate but at the end of the day we are all just being honest about the outcome if this had ever happened!

[achillesthegreat]

Inside 5 punches landed. So early first round.

[davidjay]

Everry pub in every town has an overweight hardman who reckons he could batter that Tyson/Lewis/Haye because "them boxers is all wankas".

Quite why they didn't go in for earning millions from fighting these 'wankas' is never made clear.

[duranimal]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

What a fuckin howl :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

My mate Kevin Paddock beat Lenny way back in the 70's, about 5,9in was Kevin & he'd had a few pro fights at Middleweight, never in shape though & just loved his beer.

This dickheads who are saying Lenny this & Lenny that are public bar romancer's, cock sucker fantisists, not even part of the crew or any crew:lol: these are the sort of wet wanks that go on about PIE & MASH or the fuckin BLITZ or the KRAY'S keepin the streets safe 4 old ladies & all that DIAMOND GEEZAR & THERE'S ME HAND there's me HEART SHITE:lol:

Tyson duz McClean in 10 seconds or as long as it takes 2 chin him:lol:

[ron u.k.]

Tyson KO within 10 seconds either in or out of the ring.

[Danny]

Lenny McLean was a brawler, who like most other people of his stature at the time, lived off a reputation! Don't get me wrong, Lenny was a hard guy, but Tyson would have obliterated him!

There's levels & then there's levels! Lenny McLean should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Tyson!

[Axl_Nose]

What an idiot:patsch .

Truth be told most of these guys would be taken out by any reasonable in shape guy, let alone a boxer. Whenever I'm in Waterstones I'll occasionally flick through one of those autobiography's of a 'self-confessed hard man'. Tends to read something like.

'I was surrounded by loads of Turkish gangsters. I knew this was it, despite the fact they were all armed with AK-47's I'd allways been bought up to believe you stood your ground. Where I came from you never backed down. I picked up the nearest bottle smashed it and fought my way out. You could see the fear in their eyes, I took a few hits but emerged victorious.

I was now a underground legend and word quickly spread. Micky Duff phoned me up asking me to spar with Frank Bruno. I knocked Bruno out in less than one round. Word got out to the States and after taking on the Mafia I sparred with Tyson, it was even for the first few rounds but then I insisted on fighting bare knuckle, like I'd been bought up. I took Tyson, Greg Page, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams out all in one night.

Don King offered me 30 million to turn pro but I wanted to stay true to my East End roots.'

That is the best and funniest post i've read all year :happy:good !! Nice one Rob ..

[mcguirpa]

Everry pub in every town has an overweight hardman who reckons he could batter that Tyson/Lewis/Haye because "them boxers is all wankas".

Quite why they didn't go in for earning millions from fighting these 'wankas' is never made clear.

I've always wondered just what the difference is between so-called hardmen, and pro-boxers. Are pro boxers just harder? Fitter? faster? more dedicated? All of the above? If Lenny McClean had trained and dedicated his life to boxing legitimately could he have been a contender?

There was an article on here a few weeks back that claimed Roy Shaw could have been a world class Middleweight. Is that true?

I grew up near a bloke that was well known as a hardcase (in the same league as the likes of McClean). A lot of people believed he could have been a contender, but although he had a few pro fights (including a British title fight) he never did much. Most people put it down to lack of application, I think he just wasn't THAT hard. As soon as he hit someone and they didn't fall over he wasn't quite sure what to do next.

[Flea Man]

I've always wondered just what the difference is between so-called hardmen, and pro-boxers. Are pro boxers just harder? Fitter? faster? more dedicated? All of the above? If Lenny McClean had trained and dedicated his life to boxing legitimately could he have been a contender?

There was an article on here a few weeks back that claimed Roy Shaw could have been a world class Middleweight. Is that true?

I grew up near a bloke that was well known as a hardcase (in the same league as the likes of McClean). A lot of people believed he could have been a contender, but although he had a few pro fights (including a British title fight) he never did much. Most people put it down to lack of application, I think he just wasn't THAT hard. As soon as he hit someone and they didn't fall over he wasn't quite sure what to do next.
unlike 'tough guys' pro boxers don't just swing for the fences. they have better technique, timing, coniditiong....the list goes on and on.to give you an idea, I feel someone like Jorge Arce would batter Lenny McLean

[Geddy Lee]

I've always wondered just what the difference is between so-called hardmen, and pro-boxers. Are pro boxers just harder? Fitter? faster? more dedicated? All of the above? If Lenny McClean had trained and dedicated his life to boxing legitimately could he have been a contender?

There was an article on here a few weeks back that claimed Roy Shaw could have been a world class Middleweight. Is that true?

I grew up near a bloke that was well known as a hardcase (in the same league as the likes of McClean). A lot of people believed he could have been a contender, but although he had a few pro fights (including a British title fight) he never did much. Most people put it down to lack of application, I think he just wasn't THAT hard. As soon as he hit someone and they didn't fall over he wasn't quite sure what to do next.

hi
A british retired light-weight like Paul Burke or pat barrett would beat the crap out of McClean,

and you call the local hardcase he never did much, he fought for the british title??, i would say that is a lot, in my opinion, and if it was sykes (local hardcase) he was supposed to fight both shaw and mcclean, and he would have won in a round too, never mind tyson, my opinion

[GazOC]

A lot of mythos builds up around these hardmen, its easy to say "if he'd have taken up boxing..." and get carried away.

Every town has a boxer/ footballer that could have been great "if only...", people get too carried away with what they see as wasted potential and, as their claims can't be disproved, its very easy end up going WAY OTT.

[Aztec God]

Big Rugby Welsh International Moriatty made a issue of Colin Jones and his missus in a Swansea PUB

Moriatty went to hit Colin - but Jones got in first and smashed him with one punch

Jones was way outgunned in terms of physical size - but he still samshed that prick

And that prick was not just any big man - but a real pro athelte tough rugby player

Jones was only a Welterweight

[davidjay]

The big word is - 'professional'. Boxers are doing it seven days a week, for a living. You learn how to fight properly. You're also a lot fitter than the bar-room brawler. I read once that the average street fight lasts seven seconds - and that's the big difference. Once the hardman is blowing, he's finished. But they watch boxing on TV and think it's just a case of walking through the other guy's punches and hitting him.

In the same way the world is fuil of bands whose singer got offered the job pf replacing Bon Scott in AC/DC, or Ozzy Osbourne in Black Sabbath, or.....

[GazOC]

A top British bare knuckle boxer named Joe Savage took part in a second rate HW tournament in the USA back in the 80's and didn't last 2 minutes (literally).

[Aztec God]

Lenny McLean is related to Frank ******

Or was that "Pretty Boy" Roy Shaw ?

[davidjay]

A top British bare knuckle boxer named Joe Savage took part in a second rate HW tournament in the USA back in the 80's and didn't last 2 minutes (literally).

Didnt he go out there, take one look at how they were performing sparring and cry off with a hand injury?

[Lee Mc]

Lenny McLean is related to Frank ******

Or was that "Pretty Boy" Roy Shaw ?

It was McClean who was related.

Cousins or something like that.

[GazOC]

Didnt he go out there, take one look at how they were performing sparring and cry off with a hand injury?

Yep, I think it was Bert Cooper who he saw training and he quit.

[Lee Mc]

Yep, I think it was Bert Cooper who he saw training and he quit.

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[GazOC]

Good find!!

I gues that answered McClean vs. Tyson.....;O)

[davidjay]

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[Mazallan]

Did McLean ever do any boxing training or was he just a big bugger?

[mcguirpa]

and you call the local hardcase he never did much, he fought for the british title??, i would say that is a lot, in my opinion, and if it was sykes (local hardcase) he was supposed to fight both shaw and mcclean, and he would have won in a round too, never mind tyson, my opinionNice powers of deduction, I didn't mention a name because I like to keep my anonymity as complete as possible on the net, but yeah I was referring to Sykes. Complete nutjob on many, many levels.

He did fight for the British HW title, and gave a decent account of himself. I take your point about fighting for the title being 'doing something' but some people talk about him like he could have gone all the way when he only had 8 pro fights against fairly mediocre opposition. Personally I think someone like Bruno would have seen him off in double quick time.

[Geddy Lee]

Nice powers of deduction, I didn't mention a name because I like to keep my anonymity as complete as possible on the net, but yeah I was referring to Sykes. Complete nutjob on many, many levels.

He did fight for the British HW title, and gave a decent account of himself. I take your point about fighting for the title being 'doing something' but some people talk about him like he could have gone all the way when he only had 8 pro fights against fairly mediocre opposition. Personally I think someone like Bruno would have seen him off in double quick time.

yeah he was a complete nut job by all accounts i know people that knew him and they said he was, i think fighting for the british HW title is something, but i feel he went as far as he could, he would have smashed mcclean and shaw in a round, and bruno would have beaten him in a round, so, tyson v mcclean , got to laugh ..

[196osh]

Tyson in under 30 seconds.

[Ste Hawkins]

Tyson in under 10 seconds. Tyson steps into his first two or three punch combo and its over. Lenny would see it coming but couldn't stop it.

[themacallan]

An absolute prime mike tyson would hammer almost anyone within a round or two.

McLean wouldn't throw a second punch.

i'd slap any friend of mine that suggested otherwise.

[sam1222]

Tyson KO1. brutally.

[Guy]

Tyson KO's Lenny all day

[bigG]

the differene between almost any boxer and any big old lump that trains for fun or indeed, fancies themselves as a 'hardman' is huge.....im a 20st doorman and i train boxing and mma with a fw of my mates who are, respectively, very good at mma..and the other is a very good boxer. i am under no illusions. i train for fitness and fun and the difference between me hitting the pads or bags and my boxer friend is night and day....i could dedicate a big chunk of time and perspiration to training and still not have the snap, the timing, the almost casual 9to an untrained onlooker) power that my mate, who has been training boxing at a good level since a young age, has got....anyone who fancies themselves as being a bit handy should hang their ego on a coatpeg and go train with their local boxers or mma guys and they will surely recognize in short time that their street smarts, power or perceived ability is, in fact, a drop in the ocean compared to what dedicated trainers have......

nb..the guys i train with are only local level guys, so i can only imagine what a fully trained, fully fit pro must be like...jeeesus, it would be like being surrounded if one opened up on you!"!

[nfc90210]

Someone has just recently uploaded some decent quality footage of Lenny.

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[Mandanda]

On that footage it's gotta be Lenny via vicious KO.

[colinthfc]

Queensbury rules. I am embarrassed to be asking this but is because of an argument of late with a few fools I know.

My argument = Tyson KO1 (2 if i'm incredibly generous).

Sorry to waste your time with this crap :oops:What about McClean vs Scott Belshaw?

[ellaineo]

York was carrying a bit of 'condition'

[TFFP]

WTF? I worry severely for the mental health of people that think this is even worth debating.

No doubt that guy is a proper hard bastard by normal standards and would lay out 99.9% of people but in a fair boxing match he wouldn't even beat a welterweight.

[kerrminator]

Tyson via 1 punch whenever he wished to land it

[kerrminator]

Big kimbo would have leathered him imo :lol:

[NO MAS]

Tyson by vicious KO at his leisure...:yep

[Flea Man]

I mean, Paulie KO1 McLean probably. Let alone Tyson.

[Flea Man]

Matey didn't even seem that Hirt at the end :rofl Lenny displayed shit GnP and then was declared the victor!

The footage of him Vs Roy Shaw shows him winging with 0 defence. Paulie probably wouldn't stop him, that was a stupid example.

Chris Byrd would destroy him in a round though.

[Flea Man]

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Knocked McLean out inside a round, twice apparently.

[LP_1985]

Roy shaw smashed Lenny in their first fight, thats after doing 18 years in jail:bbb

[Manning]

Tyson wins by unanimous decision.

[ShaneTheSherrif]

Tyson KO1

[REEVO]

Lenny was drugged before the Roy Shaw fight, and Roy Shaw had sprung loaded gloves when he lost to Lenny... W.T.F read both there books i would put my money on Lenny over Roy.

They wasnt boxers but they were seriously hard bastards, lets not forget this.
Lenny vs Tyson classic thread but Tyson wins this fight but later gets the shit kicked out of him on the cobbles by baseball bat...

[cheekyvid]

Oh Jesus christ, and I thought colin made bad threads. This is a shocker

[phonk]

Oh Jesus christ, and I thought colin made bad threads. This is a shocker

:lol:

[fita]

Tyson wins by unanimous decision.

Yeah, I reckon he would eek out the decision with his renowned peekaboo style.

[glue glove]

Had argument at work with two co-workers who claimed 'Lenny McLean would have destroyed Lennox Lewis' based on his defeats!

I tried to argue but they banging on about his bloody autobiography, which I said is bollocks and cuts out his defeats!

People love pub tall tales....

[WalletInspector]

How about if Mike Tyson and Nonito Donaire met at a catchweight?

[GazOC]

Holyfield showed that Tyson could be bullied out of a fight. All Lenny has to do is follow the blueprint.

[Flea Man]

They can meet at Heavy, that's how far up in weight Nonitos talent will take him anyway :deal

[GazOC]

They can meet at Heavy, that's how far up in weight Nonitos talent will take him anyway :deal

You fucking think so wouldn't you? People need to calm down over what a 28 year old bantamweight is likely to achieve....

"If Pac can do it...." is like saying "if Henry Armstrong can do it..."

[KingCobra]

Tyson would destroy McLean

[Top Dog]

Holyfield showed that Tyson could be bullied out of a fight. All Lenny has to do is follow the blueprint.

Yeah cause Lenny was just as good and skilled as Holyfield eh, ffsake come on now

[GazOC]

Yeah cause Lenny was just as good and skilled as Holyfield eh, ffsake come on now

Tyson always folded under pressure. All Lenny would have to do is stay in Tysons face and force the pace. McClean late rounds KO, possibly with Tysons corner throwing in the towel to save their man from further punishment.

[Scotty321]

Tyson always folded under pressure. All Lenny would have to do is stay in Tysons face and force the pace. McClean late rounds KO, possibly with Tysons corner throwing in the towel to save their man from further punishment.

Very True. Lenny smoked liked a chimney too so the nicotine would keep his energy up in those later rounds :good

[GazOC]

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[theboy_racer]

Tyson right now would destroy prime McLean

[davidjay]

Tyson always folded under pressure. All Lenny would have to do is stay in Tysons face and force the pace.

And there's one of the big differences between bar-room brawlers and boxers. How the fuck is someone whose fights lasted thirty seconds going to be as fit as a fighter who trained every day to go twelve rounds?

[GazOC]

Tyson might hang on for 12 rounds for a points decision but over 15 rounds Lenny would stop him. Brutally.

[GazOC]

Its been pointed out to me by a good friend from America that some people may think I was being serious in this thread......I wasn't!!!:good

[LocoRoco]

lenny split decision over tyson over 15 rounds

[BoxingFanNo1]

Tyson ko1. In a street fight I give McLean more of a chance than most though. If Tyson swings and misses allowing McLean inside to grab hold he's in big trouble.

[Flea Man]

Nah, Tyson was an animal, in a NHB fight he'd saage 'The Guv'nor' inside a minute, probably quicker.

Tysons reputation as a youth in NYC is probably akin to McLeans at his height as 'King Of The Doormen'.

From what I've read/seen, Bartley Gorman (probable bullshitter) Vs McLean would've been a great scrap.

:lol: @ Gaz trying to back track.

[Flea Man]

You fucking think so wouldn't you? People need to calm down over what a 28 year old bantamweight is likely to achieve....

"If Pac can do it...." is like saying "if Henry Armstrong can do it..."

So f'n true.....

In other news, Sergio Martinez is poised for a Greb-esque assault on everyone up to Cruiser :deal

[mcguirpa]

Great thread:happy

I like how the video describes McClean as the hardest man in Britain. Bruno fought for the world heavyweight title in the year that vid was shot. Bruno would have taken Lenny out without too much of a problem. Even Audley Harrison would have beaten him.

Yeah McClean was a hard bastard, no doubt, but his boxing skill was virtially non-existant and he was unfit.

[p.Townend]

Tyson in a few seconds.I saw that Joe Savage bloke fight Bert Cooper,it was a complete joke,Cooper nearly killed him. These bare knuckle guys are ok fighting each other in the back rooms of pubs but are no match for a pro fighter.

[mcguirpa]

Tyson in a few seconds.I saw that Joe Savage bloke fight Bert Cooper,it was a complete joke,Cooper nearly killed him. These bare knuckle guys are ok fighting each other in the back rooms of pubs but are no match for a pro fighter.

Bert Cooper is fighting this weekend, funnily enough.

[Lance]

In a street fight it's Mc Clean all day long :thumbsup

[p.Townend]

Bert Cooper is fighting this weekend, funnily enough.
Hope he is doing OK,thought he would have retired by now.The beating of Joe Savage is on youtube somewhere.Its a poor filming but still funny to watch.I think Savage got the message that he is no match for a pro.

[Longcount]

As a guideline you should look at what happened to Joe Savage, the supposedly undefeated British streetgfighter when he crossed gloves with Bert Cooper.

Shit quality, but keep in mind that this version of Cooper was already 'done' and coming off a TKO loss to Larry Donald.

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[Flea Man]

That's the fight I was thinking of! I was making reference to this the other week, but couldn't remember the name of the guy who fought 'Smokin'Bert!

[Longcount]

Savage was supposed to be in that infamous St Louis tournament, which was eventually won by Tony Tubbs but he backed out after seeing the guys in the gym.

[GazOC]

Kind of connected but theres a good Jose Ribalta interview on the front page of ESB.

[Joe.Boxer]

:nut Anyone taking part in this discussion should have a word with themselves.

[Pale Destroyer]

hahaha you half get some numpties out there! one of my mates was once trying to argue that with me that Khan beats Mayweater (as this was pre Maidanna) just out of interest what are peoples thoughts on a Prime McClean Vs an elite yet much smaller fighter say Barrera?

[REEVO]

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Dont upset big Lenny.. He might not of been a boxer but he was a hard cunt. Thats a fact.

[REEVO]

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just been on you tube this is gold, big lenny the rules of boxing have gone out the window. l.o.l

[Jubil]

Has anybody seen footage of the first McLean-Shaw fight where Shaw wins. I've got some footage of the 2nd and 3rd fights but cant find that 1st fight anywhere.

[Brummy1976]

OK OK, so we have established that a prime Tyson would destroy Lenny in a round or two so lets even it up a bit........

Tyson - 16oz gloves

McLean - Bare knuckle

now who wins.....??
:hey
No difference, well actually tyson probably has enough time to crack him twice on the way down

[Flea Man]

That's enough better for Tyson, he has the chin to deal with Lennys bombs, I which he will only be able to through sporadically for risk of breaking his hands, or break his hands early, and Tyson has more to defend himself with and can throw many more punches with more 'correct' punching form.

Tyson inside about 20 seconds. McLeans best bet is to 'do a Seldon'.

[LP_1985]

Has anybody seen footage of the first McLean-Shaw fight where Shaw wins. I've got some footage of the 2nd and 3rd fights but cant find that 1st fight anywhere.

Nope but by all accounts Shaw smashed him.

If yiu read books by Freddie Foreman, Tony Lambriouno(spelling) and the likes, there all tell you Roy Shaw was the MAN. lets not forget Shaw was well into his 40's and gave up a good few stone on Lenny

[p.Townend]

Nope but by all accounts Shaw smashed him.

If yiu read books by Freddie Foreman, Tony Lambriouno(spelling) and the likes, there all tell you Roy Shaw was the MAN. lets not forget Shaw was well into his 40's and gave up a good few stone on Lenny

By all accounts Shaw was a decent boxer and could have done well as a pro if not for the fact that he kept getting banged up,am told he did some shows with either ****** or Duff.I guess better his skill saw him good in the first fight with the much bigger Lenny.Both Shaw and McClean look horrible fuckers,these bare knuckle lads might not be a match for a pro fighter but Id not want to piss one of them off.Shaw looks insane in interviews,complete head the ball.

[wrimc]

Im pretty sure ****** his own cousin (and promoter) has gone on record and said McCleans hard man image as a fighter was highly exaggerated and he wouldnt have lasted long with any proper heavyweights.

[Johnny Coyle]

Fuck Tyson I'd back Kimbo to do Lenny in a boxing ring

[Money Shot]

McLean was a street fighter, in that domain he was accepted as #1.

[colinthfc]

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[dannyboy147]

LOL Tyson would demolish lenny during the first 10 seconds!!! and any version of Tyson at that!! Following on from bullshit chat from your mates, my mates old man works at Barlinnie prison and he reckons scott Harrison got thinned out by a recovering smackhead that was about 7 stone in a fist fight then had to pay some big hefty bloke to look after him, obviously anything can happen in a fist fight but my mate also had 20 quid on harrison to shut out david haye.

Thinking about it, he isnt my mate he is a fat gobby cunt that drinks in the same circle as me.

[sugarsean]

Lenny Mclean, with his chin the air would be knocked out in a way he would never want to imagine inside the ring by Tyson or any decent heavyweight boxer actually. Lenny was a hard cunt and could fight in the very well outside of queensberry rules but not in a boxing ring.

Actually I think it would be more safer for McLean in the ring than on the street with Mike.

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[brown bomber]

Without wishing to sound a pillock (which isn't hard at the best of times when talking about retarded stuff like this), When I was about 21-22 and a SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT I had a fight with one of these celebraty hard man football holligans one night when I was working the doors. He and a load of his mates had kicked off inside for one reason or another and as the door team was pretty strong we managed to move most of them out fairly easily. The tough guy was the last one to leave and was surrounded by fellow 'hard men' (please read well built, pretty ugly, old blokes in designer wear).

He took exception to something I said or did and we had a free go on the dance floor- none of his mates could do anything as they were massively out numbered. He was utterly useless and I smashed him.

After he'd got up and walked out of the bar having being utterly embarassed infront of his pals - he then kicked off with police and was again hammered this time by koshes and the like. He was also bitten by a police dog.

Something tells me thats story might change a little should it ever make it into a book.

:lol:

[brown bomber]

Actually I think it would be more safer for McLean in the ring than on the street with Mike.

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'I'll eat your arsehole alive'.

My money is on Tyson being the only human on earth who could pull that line off and still sound scary. :lol:

[LP_1985]

By all accounts Shaw was a decent boxer and could have done well as a pro if not for the fact that he kept getting banged up,am told he did some shows with either ****** or Duff.I guess better his skill saw him good in the first fight with the much bigger Lenny.Both Shaw and McClean look horrible fuckers,these bare knuckle lads might not be a match for a pro fighter but Id not want to piss one of them off.Shaw looks insane in interviews,complete head the ball.

Cant remember whose book it was, but Carlton Leech springs to mind. Anyway, there firm was running the door to the ministry of sound in South London and Lenny tried to muscle in. Carlton rung him up for a set to and Lenny bottled it.:think

[glue glove]

This is a funny/silly argument we all admit.

But here is a way to put it.

If you had to fight whoever behind a door to get out, who would you rather be there?

McClean or Tyson?
:think

[Nipple]

Off topic a bit, but there's no doubt in my mind that in a streetfight, lenny would of been an absolute fucking nightmare.

He has got that vicious streak in him that you're just born with, had (what seem's like) very good power, was an animal, was fucking huge as well, had it all.

He'd kill people in a streetfight.

Bottling it from leech????

[sugarsean]

Off topic a bit, but there's no doubt in my mind that in a streetfight, lenny would of been an absolute fucking nightmare.

He has got that vicious streak in him that you're just born with, had (what seem's like) very good power, was an animal, was fucking huge as well, had it all.

He'd kill people in a streetfight.

Bottling it from leech????

The guy was glassed jawed myth who got sparked out in the first round 3 times by the only pros he fought, two former light heavyweight boxers, he was a big mouth unskilled brawler who could only beat other big mouth unskilled brawlers and wanna be fighters.

[sugarsean]

Mikes not even the best heavyweight ever but hes still top 10 - 13 all time great heavyweight and one of the best finisher's in history of fighting and a highly skilled professional

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Mikes not some arm punching, chin in the air, wild swinging brawler who fights guys that think its against the law to move there head like this shit right here

:-(

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Forget Tyson, Michael Spinks would of made Mclean his bitch

[arightballsup]

He got ko'd twice by Cliff Field within a round. If this guy could do it with not even journeyman status an elite fighter would really hurt him, especially a fighter like Tyson who would relish a street fight.

No doubt McClean was a very hard man but there is a difference. I think it was ODLH who said something along the lines of why would I fight on the streets when I get paid millions of pounds to do it in the ring.

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[Flea Man]

I would say Tyson is a lock for a 6-9 place myself.

[sugarsean]

I would say Tyson is a lock for a 6-9 place myself.

I would'nt say a lock but you could make a good case for having him as high as 7 imo, but I have him right at 10 on my list.

[Flea Man]

Sean, I responded to you on Booker but don't remember hearing your thoughts about, would love to hear 'em :good

My list, the brackets are pretty much a lock, the ordering interchangable.

1. Ali

2. Louis

3. Lewis
4. Foreman
5. Holmes (always get pulled up for Foreman ;-))

6. Evander
7. Tyson
8. Frazier
9. Marciano
10. Charles

Is mine. And yes, I know that Johnson, Langford, Dempsey, Tunney and Liston are conspicuous in their absence :lol: I have my reasons, would love to see your list mucker :good

[sugarsean]

Sean, I responded to you on Booker but don't remember hearing your thoughts about, would love to hear 'em :good

My list, the brackets are pretty much a lock, the ordering interchangable.

1. Ali

2. Louis

3. Lewis
4. Foreman
5. Holmes (always get pulled up for Foreman ;-))

6. Evander
7. Tyson
8. Frazier
9. Marciano
10. Charles

Is mine. And yes, I know that Johnson, Langford, Dempsey, Tunney and Liston are conspicuous in their absence :lol: I have my reasons, would love to see your list mucker :good

Sorry about that mate, Eddie's probably my favorite of the Black Murderer's Row, great record I think his knockout of Archie Moore and win over Williams, gives a good indication of how good he must of been, I really wish he would of had more opportunity's in his career.


This list is based on many factors combined together, abilty, skill set, achievements, longevity and Hd 2 Hd.


01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. George Foreman
05. Larry Holmes
06. Joe Frazier
07. Sonny Liston
08. Evander Holyfield
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson

[sugarsean]

It nice to see the great Ezzard Charles in your list, he justs misse's out on my top 10,
I've got him at 12 .

[Flea Man]

Good list, would love to hear your reasons behind ranking Johnson so high though mate :good

Glad to see someone else ranks Big George as highly as I do :good

[sugarsean]

Good list, would love to hear your reasons behind ranking Johnson so high though mate :good

Glad to see someone else ranks Big George as highly as I do :good

Thanks mate,

I rate Johnson so high because he dominated his era, and is a boxing master imo and a devasting puncher, if he had'nt played the fool as much and got down to business straight away, I think he'd have even more KO's, he's very unexciting but I think he's a hd 2 hd nightmare.

George Foreman is the baddest motherfucker that ever lived, if my list was purely Hd 2 Hd he'd be at number 2.