Tommy Hearns Vs Sugar Ray Robinson @ 147

[Sonny Carson]

This would be a great fight and I think Hearns could outbox Robinson a couple rounds. I also see Robinson knocking Hearns out with a left hook in the 10th round.

[Street Lethal]

Concerning the comparison to Leonard, it depends on Hearns' conditioning. Both Hearns and Robinson were a lot better than Leonard, but, unlike Hearns, Robinson could always be counted on to go a hard fifteen rounds. Robinson was a much better offensive fighter and a bigger puncher (with either hand) than Leonard. He could reach Hearns earlier than Leonard if Hearns came into the fight in the condition he came in against Leonard. I still pick Robinson over Hearns in his best condition, but it would come later. Had Hearns been in better condition for Leonard, Leonard wouldn't have won that fight.

Hearns had three problems: 1) he tended to tire late in fights, 2) while he didn't have a glass jaw, he could be hurt, and this is deadly against a puncher like Robinson, 3) when he was hurt he tended to leave his body and submit to the will of his opponent (much like a wounded animal). Number 3) seems harsh, but it was weird watching Hearns watch his own destruction sometimes.

[robert ungurean]

Robinson after a rough start will get him.

[SgrRyLeonard]

Robinson by a late knockout in a thrilling fight.

[Rock0052]

I'll go against the grain here and pick Hearns by KO. Robinson would be the favorite...but had they fought multiple times, I don't think he would've had an unblemished record against the Hitman. Hearns has KO'd guys with great chins before, and I think Tommy could get to him with perhaps the greatest offensive arsenal in welterweight history. Reach, power, accuracy, speed...there wasn't anything Tommy didn't have there offensively, and that makes him a legit threat to KO anybody who's ever laced them up at that weight- Robinson included.

Chalk me up for a Hearns KO6, even if Robinson wins the trilogy.

[ajohnfp]

Hearns would win and shock all of you

[brooklyn1550]

This would be a tough fight for Sugar Ray. He wouldn't be outboxing Tommy so he would really have to rough him up and hurt him. Over 15 rounds, I think he would. I wouldn't bet against a prime Robinson at 147, so I'll say Ray by late stoppage.

[enquirer]

The key to this fight is robinsons willingness to mix it up. Ray would not outbox tommy and would have to trade with tommy to get to him the way leonard did. The thing is,leonard was patient enough to dance away from tommy for the first five or so rounds and give these rounds away to figure tommy out and to wait for him to tire somewhat,i just cant see robinson dancing away from tommy to avoid the early rounds power,robinson was maybe too much macho to do that...
So the scenario is tommy hearns and robinson engaging in an early rounds shootout,and i just cant see any welter taking tommys offensive arsenal in a shootout,robinson is outreached,outjabbed and he has never meet anyone with the power or speed of tommy....Tommy met a similiar fighter in ray leonard....I take hearns to knock robinson out with picture perfect right hands within the first three or four rounds...Robinson is too offensively minded/macho to be patient with tommy...Over three fights hearns wins as he could always box to a decision...If Robinson got over the early blitz it would be an interesting fight,especially over 15....
I think ray leonard was the better welter than robbie,ray has more atg quality opponents on his welter resume... Hearns is very underrrated by many at welter,his speed,size,style,jab and power make him one of the very very greatest head to heat at this weight...

[JohnThomas1]

Hearns would win and shock all of you

Hearn's could beat anyone at 147 and not shock me.

[Doppleganger]

SRR is undoubtedly the greater fighter P4P. Can Tommy beat SRR at 147? You betcha he can. If the fight is made over 12 rounds I fancy Tommy by UD, over 15 rounds the pendulum swings back to SRR. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Hearns can stop SRR either. If Tommy goes into offensive mode right from the start who knows. SRR has never met an offensive fighter quite like Hearns.

I think this fight is a 'pick 'em' myself.

[Luigi1985]

IMO, SRR had the chin to come trough Hearns best shots, at 147 lbs. Tommy´s power was great, but also SRR´s chin. IMO Hearns would outpoint SRR the first 5 rounds (3-1-1) and than get KO´ed cold by a monster left hook...


SRR KO 6 Hearns

[Titan1]

Robinson would coldcock Tommy after two or three Hearns rounds, somewhere around the sixth-seventh.

[George W Hedge]

Give hearns a chin like chavez or hagler & we might very well have found a welter who could beat srr... on pts.

Thats maybe but as it is robinson hits too hard at 147 & if tommy got tko`d by leonard, then he gets ko`d by srr I believe.

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[enquirer]

Hearns only needed a chin like leonard and some more survival skills in his youth and he would have been the no1 p4p of all time...As it is he is one of the atgs p4p anyway and still has a great chance of beating robinson at welter...And remember,tommys chin was fine against hagler ,leonard and in his lt heavy world title bouts.....

[combatesdeboxeo]

[quote=enquirer;215100]Hearns only needed a chin like leonard and some more survival skills in his youth quote] yes you are right, (if i can fly i would be superman) but he didn´t have it, so robinson would ko him

[ripcity]

Tommy Hearns was a highly skilled 6′ 1″ welterweight with a 78″ reach. That is almost like being a Klitchko at heavyweight. While Ray Robinson was by no means a small man at 147, and the more skilled of the two. Heanns combo of size and skills gives him an advantage in this match up.
I see this going two ways.
First of all I see Hearns getting off to a good lead. If this is a 12 round fight he wins by 8-4 If this is a 15 round fight it is the last 3 rounds that are going to drtermand the outcome. I am not one of those who thinks that despite his ko losses to Leonard, Hagler and Barkley that Hearns has a week chin. However all those losses came either in or very near his prime. So while his chin is not glass it is something that Robinson can take advantage of.
This either ends with Hearns holding on for a close win on the scorecards or Robinson by ko in 13-15.
There is a verry slight chance of Hearns by ko as he could also punch but I think Robinson who only has one stoppage loss is not likely to get stopped.

[GPater11093]

From what I have seen at Welterweight (and I know Duonedem (spelling) agrees) is that Robinson was a bit more aggressive and imposing at Welterweight and would have no qualms being the aggressor and looking for Hearns.

Thats the thing that swings it for me, Robinson would be able to pressure Hearns and walk him down and land hard, precise combinations to stop him, although it would be tough because of Hearns power and skills.

Another thing to consider Hearns was not much taller than Robby.

[El Bujia]

Robinson. One word: durability.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hearns only needed a chin like leonard and some more survival skills in his youth and he would have been the no1 p4p of all time...As it is he is one of the atgs p4p anyway and still has a great chance of beating robinson at welter...And remember,tommys chin was fine against hagler ,leonard and in his lt heavy world title bouts.....

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[baddest]

In a trilogy Tommy can win. In a one-off I just don't see it, Robinson was taking the punches of middleweights @ 147, and went through many wars and ultimately only ever got stopped by heat exhaustion, Tommy has a punchers chance but anyone banking on Robinson getting stone-cold KO'd is deluded. Ultimately I think Robinson can't outbox Hearns for long periods but he will force Tommy to exchange far quicker than SRL did, and having a harder punch than SRL I see Tommy getting ROCKED early with a fierce combination. If tommy can even manage to survive past that in the 5-6th I say he'll be KO'd within 2-3 rounds. Robinson KO7

[lora]

I've never thought Hearns matched up well with Robinson.

Ray wouldn'twait too long to cut loose with his own offense, especially once he realises the threat Hearns brings.He's not as cautious or gameplan orientated as Leonard.

I see him getting Hearns in bad trouble sometime between the 2nd and 6th and horribly caving him in.Robinson isn't likely to let up if he gets Tommy going.

[ripcity]

I'm kind of surprised that this match up dose not come up more often. Hearns and Robinson are probbly the two best head to head at 147.

[RockyJim]

Love Hearns....but I like SRR at Welter against The Hitman...

[Duodenum]

From what I have seen at Welterweight (and I know Duonedem (spelling)"Duo" works just fine for me, G. (If I had any idea "Duo" would catch on as instantly as it did, and grow on me so quickly, I might have signed onto ESB with just that simple three letter handle.)agrees is that Robinson was a bit more aggressive and imposing at Welterweight and would have no qualms being the aggressor and looking for Hearns.

That's the thing that swings it for me, Robinson would be able to pressure Hearns and walk him down and land hard, precise combinations to stop him, although it would be tough because of Hearns power and skills.

Another thing to consider Hearns was not much taller than Robby.That's right.

I think of how Tommy doubled over a bit to SRL's body attack in their first bout, then look at the way Robby savaged the taller Bobby Dykes inside (especially with those surgically thudding rights to the ribs which had Dykes panting by round two), and have a hard time seeing Hearns reaching the final bell with any degree of certainty. Ray could do everything well, including infighting and body punching against a taller opponent. (Some records suggest Dykes and Robinson were the same height, but their footage makes it clear Bobby was the taller man.) Hagler tore into Tommy's body from the outset, and Hearns was utterly spent in very short order.

[TheGreatA]

"Duo" works just fine for me, G. (If I had any idea "Duo" would catch on as instantly as it did, and grow on me so quickly, I might have signed onto ESB with just that simple three letter handle.)That's right.

I think of how Tommy doubled over a bit to SRL's body attack in their first bout, then look at the way Robby savaged the taller Bobby Dykes inside (especially with those surgically thudding rights to the ribs which had Dykes panting by round two), and have a hard time seeing Hearns reaching the final bell with any degree of certainty. Ray could do everything well, including infighting and body punching against a taller opponent. (Some records suggest Dykes and Robinson were the same height, but their footage makes it clear Bobby was the taller man.) Hagler tore into Tommy's body from the outset, and Hearns was utterly spent in very short order.

I've usually seen Dykes listed at over 6 feet, which is very tall for a welterweight. Robinson was taking it easy by his standards in that fight though. Hearns would likely not see the final bell against Robinson, but he does present a great danger to Robinson, and any other fighter really.

[tommygun711]

Srr

[GPater11093]

"Duo" works just fine for me, G. (If I had any idea "Duo" would catch on as instantly as it did, and grow on me so quickly, I might have signed onto ESB with just that simple three letter handle.)That's right.

Ok, Duo.

I think of how Tommy doubled over a bit to SRL's body attack in their first bout, then look at the way Robby savaged the taller Bobby Dykes inside (especially with those surgically thudding rights to the ribs which had Dykes panting by round two), and have a hard time seeing Hearns reaching the final bell with any degree of certainty. Ray could do everything well, including infighting and body punching against a taller opponent. (Some records suggest Dykes and Robinson were the same height, but their footage makes it clear Bobby was the taller man.) Hagler tore into Tommy's body from the outset, and Hearns was utterly spent in very short order.


Exactly as I see it. SRR had them explosive, 'crunching' as you say, attacks and I just don't see Hearns weathering them. And I can see Robinson weathering the Hearns typhoon.

[red cobra]

SRR's toughness would carry him through to a midround ko victory as surely as his superior skill would.

[bck620]

I actually think this is one of the very very few bad matchups for Robinson. Not only can Hearns box and move, he excels fighting in space. Quick as a cat, and Tommy gets a bad rap for having a questionable chin. Look at the guys he fought! I think Hearns catches Robinson with a right hand, and I think it's somewhat early. I can see SRR beating Hearns like SRL did, but Robinson will engage Tommy from round 1 unlike Leonard did. Leonard was smart to tire him out for 5 rounds, no way Robinson does. He goes right at him.

KO rounds 6-8

Robinson does not want this fight at 147.

[laxpdx]

Same result as Leonard-Hearns I, only Rob might go home a bit earlier, given his superior firepower. A tossup at 154, though.

[teeto]

I've always went on record stating how i just don't see Hearns winning this. Robinson' attack is too good imo. Hearns' attack is amazing as well, but at 147 he's wild with it, and he' never had a great defence. Robinson by stoppage for me every time. I don't see any scenario wherein Hearns puts on a clinic and wins via that route.

[werety]

Just watched the Dykes fight and it is a great showcase of Robinsons inside fighting and body punching as duodenum said. On a sidenote is it just me or does Robinson throw his right hands to the body with his fist inverted? I've never seen any other fighter throw it like that.