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the cobra
08-15-2008, 09:47 PM
Excluding the obvious top 3 (Greb, Langford, and Charles), what fighter has the best resume of opposition?
Archie Moore, Ray Robinson, Jimmy McLarnin, Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Emile Griffith, Muhammad Ali, etc.
Who deserves 4th place honors?
Sweet Pea
08-15-2008, 09:56 PM
You could argue Robinson ahead of Charles in terms of quantity actually. Those would be the top 4, with likely Armstrong and then the likes of Leonard, Ross, Canzoneri, McLarnin, Moore, etc coming next. Guys like Walker and Barbados Joe had great resumes going through the weight classes as well. Ray Leonard should be rated very highly in terms of top wins, but his quantity doesn't match the others. Duran fought at a high, though inconsistent level at parts of his career and weights he didn't have any business being so successful at. And when included with his prime, very consistent career from LW to early on and up to the Leonard fight at WW, his resume looks all the more impressive.
Those kinds of guys, though Griffith is a damn good shout resume-wise in terms of second tier elite ATG's.
Stonehands89
08-15-2008, 10:00 PM
Charley Burley had a serious resume.
Russell
08-15-2008, 10:01 PM
Jack Johnson if you just want to look at names needs to be mentioned.
the cobra
08-15-2008, 11:33 PM
So based purely on their resumes, a top 5 list would look like:
#1. Harry Greb
#2. Sam Langford
#3. Ezzard Charles
#4. Ray Robinson
and then who at #5. Armstrong?
Bummy Davis
08-16-2008, 12:35 AM
Pep,Greb,Moore,Robinson,Chavez
Sweet Pea
08-16-2008, 01:16 AM
Pep,Greb,Moore,Robinson,ChavezChavez?
Loewe
08-16-2008, 06:01 AM
Monzon should be mentioned not quite as many as the others but also less losses and more dominance.
mcvey
08-16-2008, 07:39 AM
Excluding the obvious top 3 (Greb, Langford, and Charles), what fighter has the best resume of opposition?
Archie Moore, Ray Robinson, Jimmy McLarnin, Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Emile Griffith, Muhammad Ali, etc.
Who deserves 4th place honors?
Not that high ,but Luis Rodriguez had an underated resume.
Bummy Davis
08-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Chavez?
In modern time he stands out, fought everyone, great record, I can think of many others before him that had greater resumes but in the lat 20 years Chavez stands out
Loewe
08-16-2008, 01:33 PM
In modern time he stands out, fought everyone, great record, I can think of many others before him that had greater resumes but in the lat 20 years Chavez stands out
Whitaker is up there with him but both aren´t on the level of a Charles, Langford, Greb. Now that I think about it DLH and Pacquiao are also two fighters of our days who met the best fighters around their weightclasses. Both aren´t near the best but still.
stevebhoy87
08-16-2008, 01:53 PM
If you have Charles in the top 3 (which I will not argue), then I could easily argue Marciano, since he fought Charles twice and won both. Charles was only 2 years older than Marciano and still in his prime (age 33). Marciano also fought prime Walcott (yes, he was BETTER when he was champ).
Charles was far above his best weight and past prime, a good victory for marciano but hardly compares with charles resume of marshall, burley, moore,maxim as well as beating louis and walcott past his best weight
There resume aren't even close
he grant
08-16-2008, 02:10 PM
Charles was not in his prime for Marciano, in age or weight ...
Minotauro
08-16-2008, 03:48 PM
Barbados Demon Joe Walcott, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, SRR, Canzoneri and Armstrong. Holman Williams and Lloyd Marshall both have excellent resumes.
Brian123
08-16-2008, 06:42 PM
Monzon should be mentioned not quite as many as the others but also less losses and more dominance.
Agreed, Pep should be thrown in as well.
I recently ran across a composite of all boxing rankings (you know-Ring Mag, historians so on and so forth...) that had Pep list as #4 all time.
Almost forgot-Tunney!
stevebhoy87
08-16-2008, 06:55 PM
Agreed, Pep should be thrown in as well.
I recently ran across a composite of all boxing rankings (you know-Ring Mag, historians so on and so forth...) that had Pep list as #4 all time.
I disagree that pep resume is on the level of langford, charles and greb, its quite short in my opinion, he never proved himself above feather and only has 1 big name on his resume saddler, his pure weight of victories helps no doubt but not enough imo
COULDHAVEBEEN
08-17-2008, 12:56 AM
Career record: 66 wins (63 by KO) and 4 losses (2 by KO).
Started career winning first 23 matches by KO. He had a points win in 24th bout, then strung a further 28 wins in a row by KO. So, after 52 matches his unbeaten record included 51 wins by KO (plus the 1 on points)!
Retired with only two losses (the last one for his world title in a contested points decision). Came back. Strung some wins together, then lost his last two bouts.
Name: CARLOS ZARATE (Mexico)
Career record: 66 wins (63 by KO) and 4 losses (2 by KO).
marciano1952
08-17-2008, 01:09 AM
Joe Grim even thow he lost them just look at who he fought
SuzieQ49
08-17-2008, 12:18 PM
I disagree that pep resume is on the level of langford, charles and greb, its quite short in my opinion, he never proved himself above feather and only has 1 big name on his resume saddler, his pure weight of victories helps no doubt but not enough imo
actually pep beat some damm good lightweights. as for "1" big name on his resume, i disagree. Albert Chalky Wright and Manuel Ortiz first ballot hall of famers are both big names.
peps title reign throughout the 1940s was the arguebably the best title reign in the divisions history. willie pep throughout an entire decade beat EACH AND EVERYONE of the top rated contenders and he did so clearly and cleanly. his era at 126 was very strong too.
SuzieQ49
08-17-2008, 12:22 PM
Charles was not in his prime for Marciano, in age or weight ...
while I think charles was past his prime, ill take the june 1954 ezzard charles easily over anyone of dempseys victims in a h2h fight. you seem to be a big dempsey supporter.
SuzieQ49
08-17-2008, 12:22 PM
how come no mention of lloyd marshall???
he has a better resume than burley
Minotauro
08-17-2008, 02:01 PM
how come no mention of lloyd marshall???
he has a better resume than burley
Yeh I menioned him earlier along side Holman Williams, Marshal has an excellent resume from Charles, Moore, Williams, Burley, Bivins, Maxim and LaMotta not to mention many others.
lfsdan
08-17-2008, 11:20 PM
Career record: 66 wins (63 by KO) and 4 losses (2 by KO).
Started career winning first 23 matches by KO. He had a points win in 24th bout, then strung a further 28 wins in a row by KO. So, after 52 matches his unbeaten record included 51 wins by KO (plus the 1 on points)!
Retired with only two losses (the last one for his world title in a contested points decision). Came back. Strung some wins together, then lost his last two bouts.
Name: CARLOS ZARATE (Mexico)
Career record: 66 wins (63 by KO) and 4 losses (2 by KO).
I agree; one of the best. He was nearly unbeatable at bantam. Absolutely a brilliant fighter who sometimes gets overlooked.
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