Berto= All Hype

[Chileno606]

Said it before I'll say it again...just a matter of time till he fights a B opponent and gets outboxed or KTFO. :deal

[PolishPummler]

He always seems there to be hit but most of his opponents are to intimidated to really try and go for it.

[huki]

I think there's a pretty good chance this fight could go the distance today and if it does, people shouldn't label him as a fraud. Just a warning before the match.

[the_what]

Great offense. But doesnt go to the body or set anything up with his jab. Right now he gets by with his natural talent but he still has a lot to learn.

[ravtrav]

Whats Boxing Without Hype

[Jose FM]

He should continue fighting this kind of fighters until he gets better, cause if he makes the mistake of moving up too fast, he wont last!

[nezy37]

Said it before I'll say it again...just a matter of time till he fights a B opponent and gets outboxed or KTFO. :deal

Im not so sure about that I think that he is raw but has all the tools to be very good. not only is he powerful but his hand speed is awsome.

[BlueApollo]

Not all hype. I can see him maturing into a Winky with power, but it'll take time.

[the_what]

I like how he is gradually stepping up. Rivera is a good opponent. And he is set to fight David Estrada after this.

[Jose FM]

Not all hype. I can see him maturing into a Winky with power, but it'll take time.
A winky? haha yeah right.:nono

[ravtrav]

Im not so sure about that I think that he is raw but has all the tools to be very good. not only is he powerful but his hand speed is awsome.:lol: :lol: :lol: GOD DAMN CARL :rofl :rofl
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[HandsOfGold]

Rivera just came to survive tonight. Too bad because Berto just isn't seasoned enough to catch Rivera in survival mode.

All 10 rounds tonight.

[Toopretty]

Berto...is a dumb fighter with fast hands and decent power..and he is strong..

[Jose FM]

OHHHHH berto is down!

[the_what]

Berto dropped!!!!!!

[ravtrav]

Ohhh Shit! He Started To Look Like Zab For A Second

[Jose FM]

Wow!!!!! Hype Hype Hype!

[Tko4]

Not all hype. I can see him maturing into a Winky with power, but it'll take time.

Um, no. Winky excelled because of technical ability, not talent. Berto has talent and not much technical ability. He's a poor man's Roy Jones Jr. I personally hate his style. If I see one more off balance, lunging lead left hook...I'm going to change the channel. For God's sake, throw a jab and a decent combination, kid. We all saw how far breaking all the rules got Roy Jones once he lost his reflexes, and you ain't got the talent of a prime Jonesy, Berto.

[BlueApollo]

Whhooooooweeee!!! Beautiful shot.

[Toopretty]

berto just got schooled by rivera..hahaahaha..uppercut right on the button..his stock just plummeted....

[the_what]

Nice uppercut from Rivera. Beautiful. He dropped Julio and now Berto.

[PolishPummler]

And there it is....

[Tko4]

Damn, I was looking away typing my last post. I missed the live punch!

[the_what]

WTF is happening. They are changing his glove in between rounds.

[jrios]

that was a clean uppercut, but he's been open all night

[doublesuited]

Rivera turned southpaw, feinted with the lead left cross, and then followed with a stunning left uppercut to drop Berto!

[PolishPummler]

And they are cheating.

[venbox]

Berto's chin doesnt seem vry good. All it took was a good left to have him down and badly wobbled. The bell came to save him.

[BlueApollo]

Um, no. Winky excelled because of technical ability, not talent. Berto has talent and not much technical ability. He's a poor man's Roy Jones Jr. I personally hate his style. If I see one more off balance, lunging lead left hook...I'm going to change the channel. For God's sake, throw a jab and a decent combination, kid. We all saw how far breaking all the rules got Roy Jones once he lost his reflexes, and you ain't got the talent of a prime Jonesy, Berto.

Alright, good points. But he could learn from watching Winky how to do subtle things working out of the high guard.

[Jose FM]

And Berto wants a step up in competition, yeah right!

[the_what]

Good fight. Rivera has heart. Always in these type of fights, fans use the opponent to belittle the prospect. Rivera deserves all the credit in the world for staying in the fight and not getting discouraged.

[jrios]

yeah, right after he gets dropped they want to change his glove and give him more time between rds...i don't know that Rivera would have been able to stop him, but I guarantee you that had that KD not taken place, Berto would still be wearing the same glove

[Toopretty]

Yo...berto would get knocked the fuck out by any elite fighter...look how he throws his punches over the top and he is a short fighter..he is open for any and every punch..I dont know why guys fight scared of him...Parcells likes floyd ahahahah 5 of all time..FLOYD..for parcells..

[PolishPummler]

Dont stop the fucking PLEASE he is still competitive.

[Tko4]

Alright, good points. But he could learn from watching Winky how to do subtle things working out of the high guard.

Yeah, he def. needs to learn some of that. His defense is porous at best. That's the thing that makes a guy like Mayweather so great. Mayweather's got amazing natural talent, and yet, he's also a technical and tactical master. Berto's got some talent, for sure, but he cheats on the technical stuff because he thinks he can. A lot of the fast, young guys that keep their left hand low and throw lead left hooks eventually get schooled by a master boxer. Roy Jones is the only guy who really beat some good tacticians on pure talent alone (Hopkins and Toney). But then again, Jones was probably the most talented fighter in his prime (but talented doesn't mean best).

[PolishPummler]

Ok now it's not so competitive anymore.

[marting]

Uh, no. Never considered that take. He's a bonafide serious threat who weighs the same as him.

[Toopretty]

OHHHH that glove shit..was the worse..he got an extra minute plus to recover...that was pure bullshit..the fucking ref and boxing is fucking fixed..you dont get a new glove b/c of a loose string...faggot ass berto corner

[PolishPummler]

OHHHH that glove shit..was the worse..he got an extra minute plus to recover...that was pure bullshit..the fucking ref and boxing is fucking fixed..you dont get a new glove b/c of a loose string...faggot ass berto corner

That was pure BS.

Looked like he got a long count also.

[Toopretty]

berto is a talented dumb fighter and is like a zab...but with less talent...thats as far as he is going to go..I mean he looked like a complete amateur off of the street trying to go for the knockout...without boxing......

[jrios]

some things during the fight got me a little confused...first Berto gets all that time to change his glove and then the ref asks Rivera's corner to wipe the blood and asks the corner if Rivera is ok to continue, but the doc is the one that's supposed to evaluate the cut

[Tko4]

Glass chin from sparring confirmed. Cotto KO1 Berto:rofl

Not going to question his chin...yet. But Cotto would eat him alive for certain, and Mayweather would make him look like a 12-year old school girl.

[Tko4]

berto is a talented dumb fighter and is like a zab...but with less talent...thats as far as he is going to go..I mean he looked like a complete amateur off of the street trying to go for the knockout...without boxing......

I like that comparison. He looked an awful lot like Zab tonight, so spot on. He may win some good fights, perhaps even hold an alphabet title, but the true elites will take him out to lunch and stiff him with the bill.

[marting]

Glass chin from sparring confirmed. Cotto KO1 Berto:rofl

Says a guy named bogus.

[nezy37]

he definately cant fight going backwards

[Jose FM]

Zab KO3 Berto

[the_what]

Good action last round. At least Berto showed that there is some fight in him. Needs to develope a better defense. And work on his jab and body attack.

[nezy37]

gotta remember he is still young. not to mention he showed some mental toughness tonight which Zab has none of

[ravtrav]

Damn Good Fight! Berto Dominated, Except For That One Punch. I Wouldn't Say He Has A Glass Jaw Yet Cause He Didn't Hit The Floor But It Still Rocked Him

[marting]

Glass chin from sparring confirmed. Cotto KO1 Berto:rofl

Yeah and I'm gonna run out and buy a hundred shares of your b.s.

[kg0208]

Damn....a guy dominates the entire fight, gets KD by a good shot he didn't see coming and now he is all hype.

And you wonder why fighters try to protect their "0" all the time. Can't make mistakes in the ring, or boxings cynical fans label you overrated, exposed, etc.

[Sonny Carson]

I said it before Berto does not have a good chin. He was K'Od in the amateur's. He's a Terry Norris type fast hands, good power, bad chin. Julio got dropped partly because he was tired, Berto just got hit flush and was hurt. He was also hurt in the 10th by a left hook to the body.

[the_what]

Damn....a guy dominates the entire fight, gets KD by a good shot he didn't see coming and now he is all hype.

And you wonder why fighters try to protect their "0" all the time. Can't make mistakes in the ring, or boxings cynical fans label you overrated, exposed, etc.

The thread was made before the fight started.

[Sonny Carson]

Damn....a guy dominates the entire fight, gets KD by a good shot he didn't see coming and now he is all hype.

And you wonder why fighters try to protect their "0" all the time. Can't make mistakes in the ring, or boxings cynical fans label you overrated, exposed, etc.
He fell down again after he got hit flush he was hurt.

[kg0208]

I said it before Berto does not have a good chin. He was K'Od in the amateur's. He's a Terry Norris type fast hands, good power, bad chin. Julio got dropped partly because he was tired, Berto just got hit flush and was hurt. He was also hurt in the 10th by a left hook to the body.

How many times was he KO'd in the Amateurs?

[Ambition_Def]

He doesn't have a glass jaw. That uppercut was a thing of beauty, surprising that it came from Rivera.

The clowns in this thread who are talking trash about Berto need to realize that he is a prospect. He isn't elite, not yet. Rivera fought a very frustrating jab n' grab style. Berto wanted a knockout but was denied partially because of this. No warnings from the ref about the constant holding either.

We'll see what happens later on, but in my eyes Rivera fought a cheap fight. He denied Berto any opportunity inside for the most part.

[kg0208]

The thread was made before the fight started.
I am aware of that.

That has little to do with the crap being said after the KD and the people acting as though the KD indicates they were right.

[kg0208]

He fell down again after he got hit flush he was hurt.
Fell down again? He went down and got back up....what are you talking about.

[geppy]

He doesn't have a glass jaw. That uppercut was a thing of beauty, surprising that it came from Rivera.

The clowns in this thread who are talking trash about Berto need to realize that he is a prospect. He isn't elite, not yet. Rivera fought a very frustrating jab n' grab style. Berto wanted a knockout but was denied partially because of this. No warnings from the ref about the constant holding either.

We'll see what happens later on, but in my eyes Rivera fought a cheap fight. He denied Berto any opportunity inside for the most part.

Yeah, but Berto would of been knocked out if not for the fucking bullshit. I cant wait for Berto to be knocked out, and it will happen soon. That is one of the most disgusting, infuriating bullshit , I have ever seen in boxing.

[marting]

He got up. Isn't that there where the true test is?

[Cerberus]

Did everyone forget how many times Cotto was hit by Demarcus Corley and people were saying "No way this guy will ever be at the elite level, he's so hittable"? Then he gets rocked and knocked down by Torres and even more people started jumpin off the bandwagon..

It's still earily people.. Berto has a lot to learn and he learned a little bit tonight.. relax.. enough of this "EXPOSED!" bs please..

[kg0208]

Yeah, but Berto would of been knocked out if not for the fucking bullshit. I cant wait for Berto to be knocked out, and it will happen soon. That is one of the most disgusting, infuriating bullshit , I have ever seen in boxing.

So you don't like him. That would explain what you're saying. There was no indication he would have been KO'd. The whole time they were taping his glove, he was pulling towards the ring. He wasn't still hurt.

[the_what]

All this stuff was being said about Cotto after he fought Torres. I think this fight taught us more about Berto than him KOing bums in a round. He showed he has heart. And isnt afraid to mix it up when in trouble. He needs a little seasoning but that all depends on him. Im more a fan of Berto after tonight than before the fight.

[nervousxtian]

You guys are fucking idiots.

Berto got lazy because Riveria wasn't doing shit all fight, he got lazy and got stupid and Cosme nailed him with a very clean and hard shot. He wasn't ready for it, he took it well, got up, and his legs looked fine.

The glove change was kinda bullshit, but it didn't matter.

Berto has a lot to learn, but you dipshits writing him off already should be ashamed to be calling yourself boxing fans, fuck most of you ESB's just bitch about everyone all the damn time, I wonder if you actually enjoy the fights.

Berto doesn't have a glass chin, and we learned he doesn't quite know how to handle a guy who's just in there to survive and is crafty... Cosme didn't come to fight tonight, and other than the one shot, he didn't land shit worth mentioning... Berto dominated the rest of the fight, and came close to stopping him a few times... I would of like to see Berto stop him, but he probably learned more in this fight than the last 18.

[kg0208]

You guys are fucking idiots.

Berto got lazy because Riveria wasn't doing shit all fight, he got lazy and got stupid and Cosme nailed him with a very clean and hard shot. He wasn't ready for it, he took it well, got up, and his legs looked fine.

The glove change was kinda bullshit, but it didn't matter.

Berto has a lot to learn, but you dipshits writing him off already should be ashamed to be calling yourself boxing fans, fuck most of you ESB's just bitch about everyone all the damn time, I wonder if you actually enjoy the fights.

Berto doesn't have a glass chin, and we learned he doesn't quite know how to handle a guy who's just in there to survive and is crafty... Cosme didn't come to fight tonight, and other than the one shot, he didn't land shit worth mentioning... Berto dominated the rest of the fight, and came close to stopping him a few times... I would of like to see Berto stop him, but he probably learned more in this fight than the last 18.

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[rvk2007]

All you Berto haters need to shut the hell up. It was a very good uppercut from Rivera. Other than that, Berto whipped his ass and came back the next round and connected on a left hook that opened a bad cut over Rivera's eye. Berto was tremendous and dominated this fight with ease.

[nezy37]

Yeah, but Berto would of been knocked out if not for the fucking bullshit. I cant wait for Berto to be knocked out, and it will happen soon. That is one of the most disgusting, infuriating bullshit , I have ever seen in boxing.

yeah the glove thing was bullshit but it was just a flash knocdown he was basicly fine as soon as he caught his ballance. shit he didn't even go all the way down

[Sonny Carson]

You guy's are talkin like Rivera is a big time power puncher, "thing of beauty my ass". He's only a decent puncher. I had more respect for Cotto when he got hit by Torres because Torres can punch. Your tellin me Berto could take a right hook from Cintron or even Zab Judah. I don't think so. To take those kinda shot's you can't get hurt and dropped by a guy who isn't a puncher.

[kg0208]

You guy's are talkin like Rivera is a big time power puncher, "thing of beauty my ass". He's only a decent puncher. I had more respect for Cotto when he got hit by Torres because Torres can punch. Your tellin me Berto could take a right hook from Cintron or even Zab Judah. I don't think so. To take those kinda shot's you can't get hurt and dropped by a guy who isn't a puncher.

Any boxer can drop you with a punch you don't see coming. ANY BOXER.

[nervousxtian]

Watch the shot Cosme landed, didn't even look like it came from Cosme. It was a beautiful shot that Berto never saw coming.

That's the stupid shit with gauging chins, because it's not just the chin, it's the ability to see punches and roll with them and adjust to them. ANYONE can get KD by a shot if they don't see it coming, Berto didn't see it coming because he got complacent.

[MJRJJ23]

I dont understand how some people are saying that Berto might have been knocked out if it wasn't for the glove change "which I agree was a little bit of BS'. Also somebody said it was a long count. Berto was up at what 4 count ready to go. He got hit by a nice shot that caught him off gaurd it happens to everybody, RJJ got knocked down by davaulle or however you spell it, and I think RJJ had a pretty respectable career. Great fight though, plenty of action, nice thorough ass beatin givin out by Berto

[Sonny Carson]

I dont understand how some people are saying that Berto might have been knocked out if it wasn't for the glove change "which I agree was a little bit of BS'. Also somebody said it was a long count. Berto was up at what 4 count ready to go. He got hit by a nice shot that caught him off gaurd it happens to everybody, RJJ got knocked down by davaulle or however you spell it, and I think RJJ had a pretty respectable career. Great fight though, plenty of action, nice thorough ass beatin givin out by Berto

No he wouldn't have got knocked out but some of these people need to admit that he was hurt by that knockdown. Before he got up he stumbled to the floor again. He was hurt and his leg's were a little shaky goin to his corner.

[nervousxtian]

He was hurt, who's saying he wasn't?

He just recovered very quickly, but he was hurt. His legs didn't look shaky going back to the corner though.

[MJRJJ23]

No he wouldn't have got knocked out but some of these people need to admit that he was hurt by that knockdown. Before he got up he stumbled to the floor again. He was hurt and his leg's were a little shaky goin to his corner.


Ohh i completely agree with your statement that he was hurt, if not he woudldn't have went down. I dont think he was still hurt when he went back to his cornor though, he seemed fine to me at the 7 count or so but I wasn't really looking when he went back to his corner so I might be wrong,

[MJRJJ23]

I was referring to a post by Geppy, that said Berto would have been knocked out if not for the bullshit, he also said that he can't wait till Berto gets KTFO for some reason, He's hyped up alot but its not his fault, I would love to see him mature into a great fighter and join the rest of the great cruiser division, I dont understand why anybody would want somebody to fail, Thats just less great fights for the future

[Zakman]

It looks like Berto's chin is a bit suspect. Remains to be seen if it's glass.

[HandsOfGold]

It dropped him because it was a hard, clean shot that he didn't see at all.

He recovered 100% in 6 seconds.

[MSTR]

Not all hype. I can see him maturing into a Winky with power, but it'll take time.

Have you even seen Berto fight:huh

He is about as different from Winky as you could possibly be:patsch

[MSTR]

I was referring to a post by Geppy, that said Berto would have been knocked out if not for the bullshit, he also said that he can't wait till Berto gets KTFO for some reason, He's hyped up alot but its not his fault, I would love to see him mature into a great fighter and join the rest of the great cruiser division, I dont understand why anybody would want somebody to fail, Thats just less great fights for the future

Something tells me he won't be troubling any of the current cruiser weights:yep

[MJRJJ23]

Something tells me he won't be troubling any of the current cruiser weights:yep

lol not any time soon but he is a prospect and I hope the best for him, right now he gets beat but he has time on his side. Remember your boy Cotto was at this same stage not to long ago and had some questionable fights also. Obviously Cotto learned alot, got much better and is now a major force, no reason Berto cant do the same. It definitly woudln't hurt the Sport to have Berto excel and be up there among the others

[Silver]

Yeah, but Berto would of been knocked out if not for the fucking bullshit. I cant wait for Berto to be knocked out, and it will happen soon. That is one of the most disgusting, infuriating bullshit , I have ever seen in boxing.have u ever seen ali-cooper?

[Ambition_Def]

Watch the shot Cosme landed, didn't even look like it came from Cosme. It was a beautiful shot that Berto never saw coming.

That's the stupid shit with gauging chins, because it's not just the chin, it's the ability to see punches and roll with them and adjust to them. ANYONE can get KD by a shot if they don't see it coming, Berto didn't see it coming because he got complacent.

Damn I don't think we've ever agreed before, a first! :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

You mean after only 19 fights he's NOT A COMPLETE FIGHTER? WHAT A BUM!!

Today's fans sicken me.....

[Ambition_Def]

It looks like Berto's chin is a bit suspect. Remains to be seen if it's glass.

I think you are jumping the gun on this one.

He got up from a terrific shot he didn't see and looked fine after the count.

[Chileno606]

Berto is the next Jeff Lacy ! :yep :yep :yep

I have said that same thing before also. For those of us who have watched many young prospects rise and fall, the tell tale signs are all there... this guy is going to run into someone thats gonna give him the beating of his life.
His handspeed isnt what its all cracked up to be, he just seems fast because his opponents are all so slow and throw looping shots.
Hes too stumpy, he will always have the reach disadvantage and he will be even more of a plodder as he gets older. Hes just too thick and has like no lateral movement.
I've watched like 5 of his fights, and I have yet to see much ring intelligence from him...he just tried mauling the guy tonight...he rarely landed clean punches, but when he did they did some damage. No jab either :-(, nothing textbook...it was all wild looping shots most of the time.
And to compare Berto to Cotto is ridiculous... Since very early in Cotto's career, he completely dissected and blew out almost everyone in dominating fashion. Corley and Torres aint not Cosme Rivera either. Cotto had a ruptured eardrum on both those fights, it happened in training camp before Corley, and then after they thought it healed in the Torres fight thanks to some of his big hooks.

[DaHead242]

You mean after only 19 fights he's NOT A COMPLETE FIGHTER? WHAT A BUM!!

Today's fans sicken me.....


well that sums everything up.

[Brickhaus]

Yeah, but Berto would of been knocked out if not for the fucking bullshit. I cant wait for Berto to be knocked out, and it will happen soon. That is one of the most disgusting, infuriating bullshit , I have ever seen in boxing.

Dude, he was fine by the time the count reached 8. All that other stuff is just background noise. I've been saying all along that his chin will be his downfall, but he seemed to have quick recovery time.

[eltorrente]

I don't understand the Berto haters. I think he looks great and have always been very impressed by his skills. He's a great natural talent and has awesome potential.