Andre Berto: Suspect Chin???

[Zakman]

Too early to tell if it's glass, but it's not exactly sturdy either, it seems.:yep

[geppy]

Berto was hurt no doubt. He tried to get up quick and stumbled back down again. Berto was saved by the bell, then helped out by his corner. That is infuriating, it was such obvious cheating ,to buy needed time.

[Executioner]

Too early to tell if it's glass, but it's not exactly sturdy either, it seems.:yep

:lol:

Damn, I knew you'd be quick to jump on this one.

[Zakman]

:lol:

Damn, I knew you'd be quick to jump on this one.

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As soon as he hit the deck, this thread was DESTINED to be made!!:lol:

[Ding]

Nah man, his chin is fine. That was an unseen punch with good snap while he was totally comfortable and highly confident.

The people here that want to believe he is not the goods will be pretty upset in the long run. Sure he can correct a couple things, but who can't.
Personally, I'm still very high on Berto, especially the way he behaved after the knockdown. :smoke

[Executioner]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

As soon as he hit the deck, this thread was DESTINED to be made!!:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You beat me to the punch. :yep

I'm a bit concerned about the pair of whiskers Berto has, given the fact that Rivera is not a very big puncher.

[Jose FM]

His chin is fine, he just got hit with a murderous shot!

[geppy]

Regardless, that WWF nonsense has no place in boxing. That is disgraceful, and took away from an obvious advantage for the other fighter. I am furious with his corner.

[DaHead242]

The kid got caught and went down. he was hurt, but more important is that he won the fight. Everyone is willing to write a fighter off or immediately call a chin grade a china after the first knockdown of his career. He got a little complacent in there and never saw the shot. I believe he has a good chin and I still expect many big things from Berto in the future.

[Zakman]

His chin is fine, he just got hit with a murderous shot!

Here we go again. Guys with solid chins don't hit the deck against light-hitting fighters. Like I said, too early to tell if it's glass, but it sure ain't "fine" either!:-(

[Thor]

It looked like a solid uppercut, what would you guys rate Cosme's power on a scale from 1 to 10?

[siassi8qvw]

I agree with what many others have said....Berto IS the real deal, excellent fighter with so many tools...He didnt SEE the punch Rivera hit him with...I agree, it was absolute BS that his corner tried to save him with the glove bs all of a sudden....With that said, he came out for the rest of the fight trying to take Rivera's head off....and it almost seems that Berto puts full power in every single shot he throws...he did it tongiht for 10 rounds! Great conditioning, definitely a future champ in my eyes...

[Koa]

One of those things he hadn't seen. A lot of times when we watch fighters move from orthodox to south paw, we see the fighter making the transition pay for not ad******g their own defense. This looked like something Berto hasn't seen and was caught by a punch he didn't expect or see from a particular angle which are the punches that tend to do the most dammage. I wouldn't say he has grade A china, could be one of those things he could learn from greatly. Also this is the type of fight that might show him and his trainers that mixing it up to the body could be a very good thing for his type of fighting. I'd love to see him convert to the type of fighter that commits heavy to the body early, seems like he will need to as he steps up in class.

[Wilhelm]

If there's anyone who knows nothing about chins, it's Zakman.

[Ding]

Regardless, that WWF nonsense has no place in boxing. That is disgraceful, and took away from an obvious advantage for the other fighter. I am furious with his corner.



I have to agree with that, but there were only a few seconds left at that point if I'm not mistaken.

[Zakman]

If there's anyone who knows nothing about chins, it's Zakman.

Oh, please - I was calling Fraudley's glass jaw YEARS before he got starched by the light-hitting Sprott, I was out front on Litzau's china chin, and I was one of the few who smoked out Khan's shaky whiskers - and that's just three of the most recent ones!

ESBers know well about my PROVEN chin-checking capabilities. :yep

[brick city]

He's still a force at 147 all fighters get caught and dropped.

[Thor]

What makes a weak chin? Ali was knocked down by Chuck Whepner...u dudes suck!

Wepner's punch wasn't on Ali's chin.... Peter knocked Toney down, so does that mean Toney has a weak chin?

[nervousxtian]

Zakman, you crack me up... Berto's chin is fine.

Even a light hitting guy can KD anyone if they don't see the shot coming.

Berto wasn't affected by any other shot that whole fight, he just never saw that uppercut coming, and it was a very hard clean shot.

Notice he didn't get hit by that shot again? Cosme was trying to land it as well, but it woke Berto up.

You guys questioning his chin should probably lace up some gloves and try this:

Let's spar, and see if you can take my shot.

then..

Let me suckerpunch you and see if you can take my shot.

The whole thing changes when you know somethings coming.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Too early to tell if it's glass, but it's not exactly sturdy either, it seems.:yep

Let me guess....you'll make thread after thread calling him glass jawed till he's KO'd then you'll gloat over it?:-(

[JMotrain]

I wouldn't say Rivera is a light hitter. He has 21 KOs in his 30 wins. Thats more than 60%, which isn't bad. As for Berto, I think he has an average chin. His chin was questioned before because I guess he had some problems as an amateur. Just like Andre Ward, we won't really know if Berto's chin is bad or not until they fight someone who can expose it.

I will say this, he got off the canvas and won the fight, that should say something about his heart at least.

[TheGreat]

Berto's punching power is overrated IMO he hits with alot of speed and force which makes him a strong puncher like Jermaine Taylor but not murderous like Tito or Tyson, tonight he should have been charged a point or even DQ'd for his corner cheating.

[Zakman]

I wouldn't say Rivera is a light hitter. He has 21 KOs in his 30 wins. Thats more than 60%, which isn't bad. As for Berto, I think he has an average chin. His chin was questioned before because I guess he had some problems as an amateur. Just like Andre Ward, we won't really know if Berto's chin is bad or not until they fight someone who can expose it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Berto's chin is suspect at this point. His future fights will tell us whether it's just a little shaky or complete china. At this point, the jury's still out.

[nervousxtian]

How did his corner cheat, the ref let them change the glove.

[Sonny Carson]

He has a suspect chin and his power is overrated. His speed isn't but his power is. He went 7 rounds with a guy James Kirkland knocked out in one round.

[Nemotherapy]

anyone who walks straight into a punch the way Berto did is going to be laid out. He got up quick and didn't even pull a Zab. I think he's got a pretty good chin and he's a hell of an exciting fighter! (especially compared to the likes of mayweather)

[Sonny Carson]

anyone who walks straight into a punch the way Berto did is going to be laid out. He got up quick and didn't even pull a Zab. I think he's got a pretty good chin and he's a hell of an exciting fighter! (especially compared to the likes of mayweather)
How can you tell he's got a pretty good chin. He didn't get up quick it wasn't like it was a flash knockdown where he got up fast. He stumbled to the floor after he got hurt and got up at 7. The bell pretty much saved him.

[Orishaman]

Cosme has 21 KO is 30 wins, so he can bring it..now...I didn;t watch the fight yet, I recorded ...but if Berto got up after the KD an stumble down..then by the rules the fight was over....after you get up from a KD and you stumble down again that automatic...and Charlie Fitch should have know that

[BigReg]

Cosme has 21 KO is 30 wins, so he can bring it..now...I didn;t watch the fight yet, I recorded ...but if Berto got up after the KD an stumble down..then by the rules the fight was over....after you get up from a KD and you stumble down again that automatic...and Charlie Fitch should have know that

I thought it was the discretion of the ref to stop the fight in that situation. Anyway, he stumbled but once he got up he was fine. He pretty much dominated that whole fight outside of getting caught with that uppercut.

[Orishaman]

I thought it was the discretion of the ref to stop the fight in that situation. Anyway, he stumbled but once he got up he was fine. He pretty much dominated that whole fight outside of getting caught with that uppercut.

Like I mentioned, I ahve not watch the fight as of yet, so explain to me Berto went down from the uppercut, he was down, he got up and stumble down...is that correct?

BTW, I should have said unwritten written rule....regarding the issue of stumbling down after a KD

[Sonny Carson]

If Paul Williams got dropped with that uppercut(which he wouldn't) stumbled to the floor again you'd be sayin he's got a bad chin. But since it's heavily hyped Berto who people said had a glass chin before the fight get's dropped you say anybody could get dropped with that shot. I don't think so. Anthony Peterson got hit with a punch he didn't see by that Colombian he fought and he didn't wobble or anything. It was pretty clear the Colombian had some firepower too. Rivera is only a decent puncher. If Berto was dropped by a big puncher I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but he wasn't.

[BigReg]

Like I mentioned, I ahve not watch the fight as of yet, so explain to me Berto went down from the uppercut, he was down, he got up and stumble down...is that correct?

BTW, I should have said unwritten written rule....regarding the issue of stumbling down after a KD

He got hit, went down, tried to get up real fast and then stumbled. When he got up he didn't seem hurt. He seemed upset that he went down, and looked ready to attack again.

[nervousxtian]

Like I mentioned, I ahve not watch the fight as of yet, so explain to me Berto went down from the uppercut, he was down, he got up and stumble down...is that correct?

BTW, I should have said unwritten written rule....regarding the issue of stumbling down after a KD

He never fully got up, he went down from the shot, and then tried to stand straight up, but he was dazed a bit and kinda stumbled forward, regained his balance and was right up. No where near getting counted out, the stumble looked more like, what the hell just happened then being completely out of it.

Watch the fight before commenting on it, you'll have a better perspective of what happened.

[sues2nd]

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As soon as he hit the deck, this thread was DESTINED to be made!!:lol:

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[Wilhelm]

ESBers know well about my PROVEN chin-checking capabilities. :yep

ESBers know well that you claim that anyone who ever gets knocked down has a lousy chin and, since in the buisness of professional fighting guys get knocked down and out all the time, you're bound to be right once in a while. You're totally, totally wrong the vast majority of the time.

[Orishaman]

He never fully got up, he went down from the shot, and then tried to stand straight up, but he was dazed a bit and kinda stumbled forward, regained his balance and was right up. No where near getting counted out, the stumble looked more like, what the hell just happened then being completely out of it.

Watch the fight before commenting on it, you'll have a better perspective of what happened.

I will, I am simply commenting on the getting up and stumbling down issue....if you get up and stumble down..that';s it....

[nervousxtian]

I will, I am simply commenting on the getting up and stumbling down issue....if you get up and stumble down..that';s it....

Where the hell does it say that. He didn't get fully up and then fall over, it wasn't that, he just tried to bounce right back up, fell forward, got his balance and got up.

You're trying to make it something that it's not.

[Druid]

The truth is that is it wasn't the end of the round and/or the Berto's corner hadn't delayed the start of the next round berto would likely have been knocked out. He got lucky! I don't think one can make a definitive determination on his chin due to one knock down, but that is why the word suspect can be used.

I wonder what people would be saying here if he had ben KD'd earlier in the round and then KO'd after he got up. It certainly would be a stumble in his ascension. He got lucky last night!

[Sp_Immortal]

Cosme has 21 KO is 30 wins, so he can bring it..now...I didn;t watch the fight yet, I recorded ...but if Berto got up after the KD an stumble down..then by the rules the fight was over....after you get up from a KD and you stumble down again that automatic...and Charlie Fitch should have know that

Cosme has power???

I dunno, maybe he had some pop in the past, but what I saw last night was a guy that was slinging wet noodles the whole fight. He threw maybe two good power punches, one of which was the left uppercut that floored Berto.

Maybe he had good power and technique a few years ago, but again that's not what I saw on friday. His real asset seems to be his defense. For the first part of the fight he was able to avoid most of the quick combos that an aggressive Berto was throwing.

Berto is overhyped. All of the boxing higher ups talk about him as the 'next big thing', but the Peterson bothers, just to name two, are a lot better.

[BITCH ASS]

It was a fuckin flash knockdown.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[Carlos Primera]

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As soon as he hit the deck, this thread was DESTINED to be made!!:lol:
:rofl

[BITCH ASS]

The truth is that is it wasn't the end of the round and/or the Berto's corner hadn't delayed the start of the next round berto would likely have been knocked out. He got lucky! I don't think one can make a definitive determination on his chin due to one knock down, but that is why the word suspect can be used.

I wonder what people would be saying here if he had ben KD'd earlier in the round and then KO'd after he got up. It certainly would be a stumble in his ascension. He got lucky last night!

Slap yourself. :patsch

[BITCH ASS]

Nah man, his chin is fine. That was an unseen punch with good snap while he was totally comfortable and highly confident.

The people here that want to believe he is not the goods will be pretty upset in the long run. Sure he can correct a couple things, but who can't.
Personally, I'm still very high on Berto, especially the way he behaved after the knockdown. :smoke

People around here talk so much shit.

The guy was on the biggest stage of his life and sometimes it's good for a fighter to get knocked down.

He knows what he's capable of and that he's not invulnerable.

Sure, I think he was headhunting too much, and neglecting the jab, but he was also trying to put on a show and KO the guy as quickly as possible.

People on this site piss me the fuck off.

Bunch of haters.

[Amsterdam]

He behaved well after the KD, no doubt. But I am in full agreement with Zakman.. it's definitley not "glass", but it surely is "shaky".

Rivera's just an average hitter, nothing like a Cotto.

Of course, "that punch woulda KD'd anybody!", wrong... explain why Judah lands an even better flush uppercut with his speed and power, the type that finished off Rivera, which a hard hitter in Berto AND Julio couldn't do, yet Cotto didn't even drop...

Cotto's got a suspect chin, Berto doesn't. Great logic guys.

[Amsterdam]

It was a fuckin flash knockdown.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Mate, he was fucking wobbly, give it 30 seconds and he'd have been finished off. Notice why the corner took the extra time for him to recover.

[Pimp C]

Berto's chin is average and he fought a tough vet and was hit by a punch he didn't see. I wouldn't be so quick to call a fighter's chin glass just yet. The key is he still recovered and won the fight.

[BITCH ASS]

Mate, he was fucking wobbly, give it 30 seconds and he'd have been finished off. Notice why the corner took the extra time for him to recover.

No way the guy would have been finished.

You could see it in his eyes that he was more disapointed than hurt.

He got up fine.

If he was hurt, he would have been reluctant to pursue Rivera later on.

The guy is a winner.

[BITCH ASS]

does anybody else think that bertos punches looked different than previous fights?

He was wingin em too much.

[Jinx]

Berto's chin is solid...even a light-hitting pro fighter can put anyone his size down with a good shot to the jaw...and Berto didn't see the punch, which made the impact worse...like i've said before anyone can be dropped, even ones with good chins...

[Amsterdam]

I got nothing against Berto Caps. He hits relatively hard, good skills, very very fast on his feet and has impressive handspeed... it's just a shame he can't take a big league shot, because he has the tools no doubt.

I'm just telling it like it is mate.:-((