Enzo Calzaghe.............enzo Beat Enzo - Thats The Bottom Line!

[FLINT ISLAND]

We all know David Haye was flattered by his second round stoppage to Enzo Maccarenelli.

Haye is a badly flawed fighter.

Carl Thompson has already exposed him.

Since then Haye has improved - but is still badly flawed.

Haye - was on the verge of coming apart against Jean Marc Mormeck.

Bustled to the ropes in the fourth round and floored the pressure and embrassment on Hayes face said it all - but Haye composed himself and came back with his power to KO Mormeck.

It looked like Haye had finally had his chips - when he was faced with live puncher Enzo Maccarenelli.

But Haye KO'd him 2 rounds - and is now being hailed Heavyweight Savior.

But Enzo failed to perform that night .........here Enzo Calzaghe explains how.

Watch out for the 1.40 mark of the video where Enzo explains the person who beat Enzo was Enzo himself.

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["TKO"]

We all know David Haye was flattered by his second round stoppage to Enzo Maccarenelli.

Haye is a badly flawed fighter.

Carl Thompson has already exposed him.

Since then Haye has improved - but is still badly flawed.

Haye - was on the verge of coming apart against Jean Marc Mormeck.

Bustled to the ropes in the fourth round and floored the pressure and embrassment on Hayes face said it all - but Haye composed himself and came back with his power to KO Mormeck.

It looked like Haye had finally had his chips - when he was faced with live puncher Enzo Maccarenelli.

But Haye KO'd him 2 rounds - and is now being hailed Heavyweight Savior.

But Enzo failed to perform that night .........here Enzo Calzaghe explains how.

Watch out for the 1.40 mark of the video where Enzo explains the person who beat Enzo was Enzo himself.

sJ6ndp1o_50

Flint, you really need to get over this. Haye has his flaws sure and I don't think he'll be the saviour of the heavyweights (though I can see him making some noise) but the gulf in class between the two was evident to see in the Enzo fight. I would put my money that if they fought ten times Haye would win nine of them.

[alba]

yawn

[FLINT ISLAND]

No gulf in class was evident

Haye took nothing back - he would be destroyed in a war - he's too soft

[stevebhoy87]

No gulf in class was evident

Haye took nothing back - he would be destroyed in a war - he's too soft

Maybe Haye would be detroyed in a war, but for that to happen you have to make it a war, eg walking through all of Haye's 1-2 and taking his punches with superior power when your on the inside, only then can you you try and take adantage of his weakness a not stellar chin and possible bad stamina, and that is something that enzo was never capable of doing

[onourway]

No gulf in class was evident

Haye took nothing back - he would be destroyed in a war - he's too soft

There was a gulf in class.

The main differences were the big fight mentality that Haye displayed and Enzo didn't, the speed of the two fighters in that Haye was so much faster and the accuracy of Haye. I'd also mention punching power, but it was hard to compare as Enzo didn't land a real punch.

[FLINT ISLAND]

There was a gulf in class.

The main differences were the big fight mentality that Haye displayed and Enzo didn't, the speed of the two fighters in that Haye was so much faster and the accuracy of Haye. I'd also mention punching power, but it was hard to compare as Enzo didn't land a real punch.

One thing I agree on mainly - big fight mentality of Haye against the stressed out mind of Enzo.

Haye danced and smiled and sang his way to the ring like Roy Jones Jnr.

Enzo forgot to do his hair and ran to the ring like Linford Chrisite

["TKO"]

No gulf in class was evident

Haye took nothing back - he would be destroyed in a war - he's too soft

Well he had a couple with Fragomeni and Mormeck and came through. Haye has his vulnerabilities sure, low left hand, can be put down (his stamina and ring intelligence has improved since the Thompson fight which was years ago).

However, if you think he can be destroyed in a war, someone needs to drag him into a war first and Enzo didn't have the tools. Haye's speed was too much for him, Enzo was flinching every time Haye looked like opening up and was never able to land anything of much significance whereas Haye had no trouble finding the target with big rights two or three times before the final combination. I thought Enzo had a puncher's chance before the fight but the punch is only useful if you have the tools to land it, which is tough when your opponent is harder hitting and faster. IMHO the only way Enzo ever beats Haye is by landing a jackpot shot if the Hayemaker gets careless. Nothing against Enzo who will still be a factor at cruiser and maybe a champ again, just the way I see it.

[girv]

Mate, no matter how many threads you start about the same subject, the fact that Haye was simply better will remain.

This has become an obsession. Its time to move on.

[GazOC]

Haye IS overated on the back of Mormeck and Enzo IMHO but Enzo would never beat Haye, he just hasn't got the skills to turn it into the type of fight he needs to in order to stand a chance.

[KCD]

Flint seriously man...................


I wanted Enzo to win, im not a fan of Haye.

But seriously Haye proved without a doubt that he is head and shoulders above Maccaranelli.

Enzo Calzaghe is a good trainer but apart from Joe Calzaghe he hasnt done shit really, he has no standout fighters once Joe is gone.


Once again Haye IS better than Enzo:good

[riggers]

Flint your posts on this are getting ridiculous, Haye beat Enzo easily. The reasons can be debated but the fact is Enzo did nothing to deserve a rematch in that fight as the result was so conclusive.

Enzo Calzaghe is a legendary trainer in his own mind only. Look at the advice he was giving Joe against B Hop, his number 2 had to calm him down and get him to focus.

Oh and as for your pm to me Flint ? Who are you trying to say you are ? I cannot send pms till i have 40 posts sorry.

[trotter]

Why are you wasting our time with this SHIT?

This is an exact repeat of the thread you started the other day which was ridiculous anyway.

Enzo didn't knock himself out with a big right hand did he?

He had his chance and got taken apart, it's over, we have our proof. Haye is the better boxer by an order of quite some magnitude.


ps I aree with Gaz (and probably many others) that Haye is seriously over rated on the back of this win. I like the guy a lot but he isn't the second coming. Mormeck and Enzo are no preparation for Klitscho. Or heavyweights in general.

[toffeejack]

Enzo was like a rabbit caught in the headlights that night. It's a shame but Haye took advantage and can't really take it away from him.

By the way, these threads on Enzo are getting pretty boring now.

[FLINT ISLAND]

haye Got Lucky -

[GazOC]

Haye would 'get lucky' 10 times out 10 against Enzo.

[BIG WORM]

Enzo Mac Is Shit

[robpalmer135]

Flint what are you playing at, you used to be a respected poster on this forum, sice you started this ezno things 2 weeks agi everone just thinks your an absolute cunt!

[chesh]

There are 3 points I'd like to make:

1. David Haye is a better fighter than Enzo Mac;

2. David Haye stopped Enzo Mac in 2 rounds;

3. David Haye beats Enzo Mac every day of the week (and twice on Sunday).

PS: David Haye is a better fighter than Enzo Mac.

[KCD]

Ive started to cringe now when i see a Flint Island topic:-(

[Healy]

I take back what i said, you are a muppet, for persisting with this bullshit arguement

[Claypole]

Flint, do yourself a favour and give it up, it's getting more than a bit boring now.
With the rubbish you have been posting recently all you have managed to do is let the Brit forum down.

Worse than that though, you've let yourself down.

[TFFP]

Flint, do yourself a favour and give it up, it's getting more than a bit boring now.
With the rubbish you have been posting recently all you have managed to do is let the Brit forum down.

Worse than that though, you've let yourself down.
:lol:

[FLINT ISLAND]

The message is clear to me now

ESB boxing has spoken and unamoinously voted in the favour of Haye being a superior fighter to Enzo Maccarenelli

I will not argue with this verdict

and agree on the night Haye was evidently superior - during his walk to the ring - and the actual fight

I will close this Enzo Maccarenelli and David Haye debate saga now

but leave these after thoughts of the whole affair

Enzo Maccarenelli and Enzo Calzaghe have never said they lost to the better man - never admitted Haye as a superior fighter.

If Enzo can unify some Crusierweight World Titles

If Haye gets knocked out at heavyweight

if he comes back down to crusierweight - maybe a rematch would be worth it?

[draw99]

A rematch might be worth it if you blindfolded Haye and tied one arm behind his back to make it an even contest, other than that no way!

And even then, I'd still have my money on Haye!

[LiamE]

haye Got Lucky -

The problem is Haye was "getting lucky" every time he threw the right hand. That tells me it might have been something other than luck.

[Danny]

WTF? Earth to Enzo Calzaghe, can you hear me? David Haye sparked your guy, good & poper. No ifs, buts, or anything.

Haye took care of Enzo very easily in fact. Get over it, Enzo Calzaghe, & worry about helping your fighter rebuild his confidence & getting back to winning ways!

[Claypole]

I will close this Enzo Maccarenelli and David Haye debate saga now
It was never a debate.

[FLINT ISLAND]

It was never a debate.

:shock:

[Claypole]

:shock:You continually boring the tits off of the Brit forum with your Enzo Macc drivel does not constitute a debate. It simply means you are obsessed.

[FLINT ISLAND]

You continually boring the tits off of the Brit forum with your Enzo Macc drivel does not constitute a debate. It simply means you are obsessed.

:roll:

[Claypole]

:roll: :yep Emoticons are good. You're heading in the right direction......

[DamonD]

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[robpalmer135]

The message is clear to me now

ESB boxing has spoken and unamoinously voted in the favour of Haye being a superior fighter to Enzo Maccarenelli

I will not argue with this verdict

and agree on the night Haye was evidently superior - during his walk to the ring - and the actual fight

I will close this Enzo Maccarenelli and David Haye debate saga now

but leave these after thoughts of the whole affair

Enzo Maccarenelli and Enzo Calzaghe have never said they lost to the better man - never admitted Haye as a superior fighter.

If Enzo can unify some Crusierweight World Titles

If Haye gets knocked out at heavyweight

if he comes back down to crusierweight - maybe a rematch would be worth it?

They never admitted it as they are delusional idiots, hatton has done the same with mayweather - now do you think hatton is better than mayweather??

then he will have done it at a time when its a weak division, haye had already done it when enzo was around, so will still be better.

Haye will never come back down, if enzo wants it he better move up, and get into a mandatory position if haye ever wins the title.

[bratwurzt]

When I saw the title I thought he had taken it out on his trainer.

[DamonD]

Enzo blames Enzo for Enzo's mistakes with Enzo. Enzo outraged, blames Enzo in turn.

[JonOli]

Enzo states that he would consider LH.

"If a big fight was presented to me, like a Chad Dawson. Even the winner of Kelly Pavlik or Bernard Hopkins and there was enough money on the table. Yes, I might take the chance.
"I might take the risk, but at the moment I am a cruiserweight and I want to clean up the cruiserweights.
"But never say never, if I get a big offer and something meaningful on the table, I'd definitely think about it."

[toffeejack]

Enzo states that he would consider LH.

"If a big fight was presented to me, like a Chad Dawson. Even the winner of Kelly Pavlik or Bernard Hopkins and there was enough money on the table. Yes, I might take the chance.
"I might take the risk, but at the moment I am a cruiserweight and I want to clean up the cruiserweights.
"But never say never, if I get a big offer and something meaningful on the table, I'd definitely think about it."

Not sure if it would be a wise move but he could probably make the weight with not much effort. If Calzaghe can do it then he should be able to he walks around lighter than Joe as well.

[FLINT ISLAND]

If Enzo can make Light Heavyweight - why the fuck not

his chin will hold out better down there - as there is no one as powerful as Haye there

and also his punching power will be even more of a banger down there

the likes of Hopkins might outbox him though - but he could become a force at 175LBS

[TFFP]

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Sums this subject up perfectly :good

[Claypole]

but he could become a force at 175LBSWhat the fuck are you jabbering on about now? Having tits as a cruiserweight does not automatically mean he could move down and be anything at light heavy.

You really need to get a grip of yourself.

[Fat Joe]

I've heard it suggested before that Enzo could make 175 lbs. But he is 6ft 4, how weight drained would he be at LHW?

[FLINT ISLAND]

I've heard it suggested before that Enzo could make 175 lbs. But he is 6ft 4, how weight drained would he be at LHW?

Enzo was fighting a heavyweight the night he lost to Haye

[mattress]

I would put my money that if they fought ten times Haye would win nine of them.

only nine? I'd say 10.

[TommyV]

only nine? I'd say 10.

I'd say Enzo would be dead before they made it to 10 fights.

["TKO"]

only nine? I'd say 10.

I'm allowing for the fact that Enzo does have the proverbial "puncher's chance" if he could land a good flush shot first. The problem is I don't think he can unless Haye messes up.

[Wit Tank]

No gulf in class was evident

Haye took nothing back - he would be destroyed in a war - he's too soft


Well then your the only correct observer on esb.

There was a massive gulf in class.

[warrior85]

enough of the fuckin enzo threads for fuck sake,end of the day the better man won,simple as.enzo coulda had any trainer in the world in his corner&he still woulda got ko'd.end of.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Well then your the only correct observer on esb.

There was a massive gulf in class.


:think

I dont think so pal :-(

[1stcontact]

:think

I dont think so pal :-(

:patsch

Give up already no one agrees with you and no one can take you seriously as you have some very strange and deluded views on the fight :nut

The more you post on it the more stupid you look, the fight happened Maccarinelli lost....So deal with it, no amount threads/posts you make on the subject is gonna change that.:deal

[mrbassie]

Enzo beat Enzo......is this a reference to fruitiness in the gym or to onanism?

[BIG WORM]

haye beat enzo