Haye 16st 9lbs (233lbs) looking in decent shape!!

[hayefever]

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The pic was taken 15th Aug 2008, with 3 months left of prep, it will be interesting to see what kind of shape and weight he comes in at on Nov 15!

Haye claims he will be clearly faster at heavyweight, well i will have to see it to believe it personly.

Boxing isn't body building contest, but you don't get in that kind of shape eating Big Macs and Jerking off all day! :good

[TheChamp1000]

Isnt his fight off/delayed due to an injury?

[BamBam]

I acually don't think his upper torso looks properly balanced there. I'm not WUM'ing or being a prick for the sake of it. He doesn't seem to have his upper torso properly (or what I percieve that to be) proportioned.
I mean, he looks fit (ohhh matron!) but on I don't think he is primed

[LiamE]

That picture is a little gay.

[henrik]

roids???

[robpalmer135]

yeh right, if haye is faster at heavy, god help them. his power will be insane with another 30lbs

[brown bomber]

Nearly as MASOOF as me!

[bratwurzt]

I acually don't think his upper torso looks properly balanced there. I'm not WUM'ing or being a prick for the sake of it. He doesn't seem to have his upper torso properly (or what I percieve that to be) proportioned.
I mean, he looks fit (ohhh matron!) but on I don't think he is primed

He does seem to be missing a pair of lats.

[scurlaruntings]

He does seem to be missing a pair of lats.Thats just because of the pose his doing. Interestingly Haye doesnt have much in the lat department anyway. His back isnt that broad. His conditioning looks great. But it remains to see what his boxing conditioning is like. His at a good weight though. He doesnt need to get any heavier and certainly doesnt need any more musculature. Im presuming thats his walking around weight though as Haye was never a massive cruiser. He didnt have to boil down that much and certainly wont have to be a solid heavy.

On a side note im 2lbs heavier than him. I think i can take him..

[slapsSOgood]

he's hench.

and the pic would be less gei without the baby oil

[Beeston Brawler]

I think 225 would be perfect - any higher is too heavy unless almost 7ft tall!

[scurlaruntings]

I think 225 would be perfect - any higher is too heavy unless almost 7ft tall!No its not. People get too obssessed with weight with no regard for build and body structure. His weight is more than adequate for a man who is an athlete at 6ft 3.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Haye looks in great condition

However we already knew Haye was in tip top shape - at the Enzo Maccarenelli fight - everyone could see he was much more ripped than Big Mac

but as everyone should know boxing is no muscle man contest

however if Haye's power improves with the extra weight - he is going to be a very destructive force

the 1st round KO of Bonin suggests without struggling to make weight Hayes power is even more immense


just think now he is a heavyweight he never has to worry about making weight again

Enzo Mac should never chase a fight with Haye at heavyweight - his best chance would be at crusierweight - but even then on the night I'm sure Haye outweighed Enzo significantly

[FLINT ISLAND]

I have no doubt Haye is a flashy talent with alot of power

However the big issue is - you can't put muscles on chins

He could be like a Herbie Hide type of fighter - who was destrctuive but when he met Klitchko he was KO'd in 2 rounds - cos his chin was fragile

[Haye]

With regards to 'you cant put muscles on chins'.

Actually you can. Dont quote me but you have fucking hundreds of small muscles in your face, and your chin is one of the slightly bigger ones.

Appropriate face exercising would lead to bigger chin muscles. Now obviously it would not mean shit with regards to punch resistance, but still, just to make a point.

[robpalmer135]

With regards to 'you cant put muscles on chins'.

Actually you can. Dont quote me but you have fucking hundreds of small muscles in your face, and your chin is one of the slightly bigger ones.

Appropriate face exercising would lead to bigger chin muscles. Now obviously it would not mean shit with regards to punch resistance, but still, just to make a point.

what you can do is build muscles in your neck, and in your lower body, which means your ability to take a punch is much higher.

the thing is dont understand about people saying haye is to chinny as that everyone is to chinny at h/w as the punches are so hard, if you get hit flush your getting KO'd whether your Valuev or Tyson.

haye has the reactions and skills to not get hit like this.

[scurlaruntings]

With regards to 'you cant put muscles on chins'.

Actually you can. Dont quote me but you have fucking hundreds of small muscles in your face, and your chin is one of the slightly bigger ones.

Appropriate face exercising would lead to bigger chin muscles. Now obviously it would not mean shit with regards to punch resistance, but still, just to make a point.Entirely immaterial. Chin resistance isnt something that can be quantified as the human body is not supposed to take punches! Thus one persons resistance to the next has many factors including thickness of the skull. Either way its an insignificant point.

[scurlaruntings]

It's a boring argument the old "chin" one anyway. We've seen chinny fighters (Lewis) recover quickly from flush shots, we've seen them absorb horrendous blows and keep coming.

Haye is very good at rolling with punches now - he minimizes their impact by moving with the shot. It took a long time for Mormeck to catch him clean and he kept his compusre after it. He certainly didn't fall to pieces.

There are other factors than chin, but he's never been put down as alarmingly as Wlad has been.May be but Vlad did face some massive punchers. Sanders has always been known for his power espcially in the early rounds. Thats heavyweight power point blank. ANY hit flush by any man over 200lbs from a punch they havent seen will normally hit the mat. Thats simple physics. Anyway as long as Haye can learn to lift his left and not be such a front runner i couldnt give a crap about his chin.

[robpalmer135]

his left hand is low for a reason. watch Muhamed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jnr, Floyd Mayweather, James Toney..............they all carry a low left hand when boxing in the orthadox stance. because there rections are quick enough to dodge punches, it draws an opponent into throwing 1 paticular shot, the right hook, which is generally the easiest shot to see coming and to get out of the way off. also once an opponent has throw the right hook they will be off balance and at a point where they are easiest to hit.

[scurlaruntings]

his left hand is low for a reason. watch Muhamed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jnr, Floyd Mayweather, James Toney..............they all carry a low left hand when boxing in the orthadox stance. because there rections are quick enough to dodge punches, it draws an opponent into throwing 1 paticular shot, the right hook, which is generally the easiest shot to see coming and to get out of the way off. also once an opponent has throw the right hook they will be off balance and at a point where they are easiest to hit.Ok i like Haye buts not Ali SSR PBF etc etc. What you are talking about there are excetional boxers. Haye is not. His a good fighter but reactions are fairly ordinary in comparison to the ATG`s you have mentioned. Now do bear in mind Haye when he fought Mormeck was eating LEAD RIGHT HANDS from a man who is as slow as the foot speed of a cow. Thats bad news and simply means keep your hands up end of story.

[onourway]

I very much doubt Haye will be faster at heavyweight, but I don't think he needs to be.

If he's anything close to as fast as he was at CW then he'll be way, way faster than any other HW out there anyway.

[Benjiabc]

Ok i like Haye buts not Ali SSR PBF etc etc. What you are talking about there are excetional boxers. Haye is not. His a good fighter but reactions are fairly ordinary in comparison to the ATG`s you have mentioned. Now do bear in mind Haye when he fought Mormeck was eating LEAD RIGHT HANDS from a man who is as slow as the foot speed of a cow. Thats bad news and simply means keep your hands up end of story.


yep, bang on:good

[dwilson]

Someone shoot me or take me off these antibiotics...I am agreeing with Scurla again.

[scurlaruntings]

Someone shoot me or take me off these antibiotics...I am agreeing with Scurla again.I normally agree with Scurla as well..:rasta

[dwilson]

I normally agree with Scurla as well..:rasta



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Yep. I actually normally agree with you. Although :-( when it comes to fitness ect I usually just go "well Scurla said it it must be true".

[Boxfan1]

Wlad still KO's him early regardless of the extra muscle. Yes, he's fast, but he's never seen a jab delivered with the speed, accuracy and power that Wlad throws it with. He's also never seen a hook off the jab. I'm sure that's what he will say when he wakes up after the Wlad fight. "I never saw it"

[PaddyD1983]

I hope he doesnt get too big going into HW, his biggest assets at the weight will be speed and reflexes. A HW is meant to be powerful so bringing that to the table doesnt add to his repotoire, it's his explosive speed that can get him where he wants to be. Getting too big could nagate that.

As for the chin, it is possible that his chin could improve as he goes up a weight. We've seen it happen with other boxers, however, its usually those that are weight drained. As much as Haye was a big cruiser, I dont think he actually struggled with the weight. Someone could correct me there as I'm not certain. But something to consider!

[trotter]

I hope he doesnt get too big going into HW, his biggest assets at the weight will be speed and reflexes. A HW is meant to be powerful so bringing that to the table doesnt add to his repotoire, it's his explosive speed that can get him where he wants to be. Getting too big could nagate that.

As for the chin, it is possible that his chin could improve as he goes up a weight. We've seen it happen with other boxers, however, its usually those that are weight drained. As much as Haye was a big cruiser, I dont think he actually struggled with the weight. Someone could correct me there as I'm not certain. But something to consider!

He was drained as fuck allegedly

He claims he had no strength in the Mormeck fight due to the amount of muscle he'd had to lose to make weight, and he fought Enzo sharpish so he could stay in camp pretty much and keep the weight off

I'm not looking at that pic at work but if he is 233 and looking pretty cut, that tells you he's bigger than a cruiser really

For me, he looked quite slow against Bonin and considerably bigger, that was at 217. I think he should be careful how much he puts on, or risk losing his advantages

[zulander]

Wlad is starting to decline a little (based on his last few performances and constant pawing of the jab) i think so this rapid fire jack hammer jab that Haye should be wary off may not be as effective as people think.
Haye needs to keep his hands up - end of story he should be fast enuff at HW (if he hasnt over done the weights) to beat most heavys to the punch.

[KCD]

Haye looks good in the photo, but as stated before is he in good enough shape to go twelve hard rounds?

Despite what alot of people believe having a great body doesnt mean you are a great fighter, Haye will be fighting naturally bigger men who dont have to bulk up to 238lbs to fight.

Plus Haye isnt exactly the most durable of guys (going on past fights) but he does have the equaliser.........but will it count at heavy?

[MrSmall]

his left hand is low for a reason. watch Muhamed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jnr, Floyd Mayweather, James Toney..............they all carry a low left hand when boxing in the orthadox stance. because there rections are quick enough to dodge punches, it draws an opponent into throwing 1 paticular shot, the right hook, which is generally the easiest shot to see coming and to get out of the way off. also once an opponent has throw the right hook they will be off balance and at a point where they are easiest to hit.

I do hope you're not comparing the mighty no defense Haye to the greats you just quoth.

[achillesthegreat]

Fuck me, what a monster.