Dempsey vrs. Marciano

[clark]

Any opinions on this outcome?

[teeto]

Marciano will stop him imo, some may say that Dempsey is more skilled, might be true, but i dont think that will be a determining factor here, i just think Marciano will stop him at some poiint. Just my opinion

[tylerrcurtis]

it would be a hell of a brawl between two of the toughest fighters ever..i would have to go with dempsey on his skill level..i disagree with teeto that skill wont play the main factor i think it does as dempsey is a tough guy just like marciano and i dont see dempsey getting stopped id say dempsey sd marciano

[teeto]

It's possible, im just of the thinking that Marciano's will to win will wiin out the day for him. Although Dempsey's skill on offense was very good, Marciano's was also very effective and it could POSSIBLY be argued that Marciano is an awkward one on offense, lacks defense but is unpredictable, a bit of a niightmare to be in there with. I also think that Marciano was greater, but that's an opinion (though one i feel quite strongly on). If Dempsey turns on the heat he's buying into something that if he doesnt finish, could spell doom for him. I respect your opinion though,

[tylerrcurtis]

i agree with your opinion as well i think the thing here is im a dempsey guy and your a marciano guy haha but marciano is as good as your going to find and i could see it going either way in a heartbeat it may come down to who has a better day not even who is a better fighter and his offense is awkward but im worried about the lack of D and with both fighters tasting canvas in there career it would make for a intersting fight if dempsey turned on the heat and kept it on..i would say his best bet is to use his better skills and stay away from turning on the heat UNLESS you know you have him in big trouble

[teeto]

i agree with your opinion as well i think the thing here is im a dempsey guy and your a marciano guy haha but marciano is as good as your going to find and i could see it going either way in a heartbeat it may come down to who has a better day not even who is a better fighter and his offense is awkward but im worried about the lack of D and with both fighters tasting canvas in there career it would make for a intersting fight if dempsey turned on the heat and kept it on..i would say his best bet is to use his better skills and stay away from turning on the heat UNLESS you know you have him in big trouble
Yeah, im thinking Marciano would be best off attempting to smash him head on with the big rights etc. And if Dempsey can just be Dempsey and turn it on but keep it on (as you said), then it might be his best chance, both are tremendous finishers imo, hard one to pick if both have their very best day. Im not really a detractor of Dempsey, when guys can be that savage it sometimes has me in awe, check the guy in my avatar!!!

[tylerrcurtis]

Yeah, im thinking Marciano would be best off attempting to smash him head on with the big rights etc. And if Dempsey can just be Dempsey and turn it on but keep it on (as you said), then it might be his best chance, both are tremendous finishers imo, hard one to pick if both have their very best day. Im not really a detractor of Dempsey, when guys can be that savage it sometimes has me in awe, check the guy in my avatar!!!

yeah i agree to i think The Rocks best chance is to fight inside with his head on dempseys chest and they are both amazing finishers if you were hurt you might as well forget it and if both had there best day i would have to flip a coin i think i also lean towards dempsey because the day that he fought in was just savage and pure kill the guy across from you and that has me in awe like you said it was just im waiting for you with a punch to the face get back down. and not to start a thread within a thread but how about jack johnson vs marciano i think that would be tremendous as well

[teeto]

yeah i agree to i think The Rocks best chance is to fight inside with his head on dempseys chest and they are both amazing finishers if you were hurt you might as well forget it and if both had there best day i would have to flip a coin i think i also lean towards dempsey because the day that he fought in was just savage and pure kill the guy across from you and that has me in awe like you said it was just im waiting for you with a punch to the face get back down. and not to start a thread within a thread but how about jack johnson vs marciano i think that would be tremendous as well
Yeah, it would be a hard one, i really rate Johnson personally, but i can understand people picking Marciano on the strength of them just thinking that he was so prolific he could do it. Still, i'd have to really analyze it to get a proper conclusion!

[tylerrcurtis]

yeah i agree with that also i think highly of johnson and i think he could fight in any era at all but i agree you would need to look at this one and analyze it a little more than just a quick thought

[TommyV]

Dempsey TKO12.

[Muchmoore]

Dempsey TKO12.

:lol:

I can see Marciano possibly getting finished off by a few fighters, but no way in hell does he get stopped after 6 or 7 rounds. His stamina was simply too great, unless you're saying Dempsey wins by cuts which is possible.

My pick is Marciano here. He packs possibly the harder one punch power, is definitly the more durable fighter, and has better stamina. Dempsey has the edge in speed and punching ability but in a slugfest the more durable fighter usually wins.

I think Rocky is a bad matchup for Dempsey, one of the worst that can be made. He is granite chinned, iron willed, has limitless stamina, and great one punch power, I don't see Dempsey being able to stop him and Marciano would take over late even if he got beat up early...

[pugilist_boyd]

dempsey tko on cuts late in a gruelling bloodfest its a war tho but i see dempseys skills making the big difference

[robert ungurean]

I see Dempsey taking this fight. Dempsey by UD.

[Maxmomer]

This thread seems to pop up every month. I'll say the same thing I always have: Dempsey wins. Could be by early stoppage, could be by late stoppage, could be on cuts, could be a KO, could be the ref or the corner calls it to save Marciano from further damage.

[Maxmomer]

It's possible, im just of the thinking that Marciano's will to win will wiin out the day for him.

Dempsey's will was just as great as Marciano's.

[teeto]

Dempsey's will was just as great as Marciano's.
I agree most probably, i just thought that Marciano's will was the determining factor MOST of the time in his bouts. I wasnt discrediting anyone BTW, i said it lightly and in respect of Marciano more than anything else.

[heehoo]

Both pretty much had almost the same fighting style, I'd pick Dempsey over The Rock any day as he was slightly more skilled as a boxer.

[Muchmoore]

Both pretty much had almost the same fighting style, I'd pick Dempsey over The Rock any day as he was slightly more skilled as a boxer.

Their styles are actually pretty different. Marciano was more patient, stalking his opponent and breaking him down. Dempsey was more aggressive out of the gate. I do see the similarities though, they both fought in low crouches much of the time and exploded like a coiled spring with dynamite power.

Saying you'd pick him over Rocky any day though simply based on skill level is strange, though. Marciano has the better stamina and takes the better shot, and if skill was everything Moore, Walcott, and Charles would of all beaten Rocky.

[TommyV]

:lol:

I can see Marciano possibly getting finished off by a few fighters, but no way in hell does he get stopped after 6 or 7 rounds. His stamina was simply too great, unless you're saying Dempsey wins by cuts which is possible.

My pick is Marciano here. He packs possibly the harder one punch power, is definitly the more durable fighter, and has better stamina. Dempsey has the edge in speed and punching ability but in a slugfest the more durable fighter usually wins.

I think Rocky is a bad matchup for Dempsey, one of the worst that can be made. He is granite chinned, iron willed, has limitless stamina, and great one punch power, I don't see Dempsey being able to stop him and Marciano would take over late even if he got beat up early...

Marciano's been put down before, it's not impossible that he gets stopped. Dempsey is the more skilled fighter and he's durable aswell, I see Dempsey countering Marciano's wild overhand rights with hard, punishing left hooks and leading a two fisted attack with speed and power and eventually stopping Rocky. He would have to take a few overhand rights and left hooks for his troubles though.

[TommyV]

Their styles are actually pretty different. Marciano was more patient, stalking his opponent and breaking him down. Dempsey was more aggressive out of the gate. I do see the similarities though, they both fought in low crouches much of the time and exploded like a coiled spring with dynamite power.

Saying you'd pick him over Rocky any day though simply based on skill level is strange, though. Marciano has the better stamina and takes the better shot, and if skill was everything Moore, Walcott, and Charles would of all beaten Rocky.

Moore, Walcott and Charles could very well of beaten Rocky if they were in their primes. The fact is though Moore and Charles are natural light-heavies and all 3 fighters weren't in their respective primes.

[heehoo]

Their styles are actually pretty different. Marciano was more patient, stalking his opponent and breaking him down. Dempsey was more aggressive out of the gate. I do see the similarities though, they both fought in low crouches much of the time and exploded like a coiled spring with dynamite power.

Saying you'd pick him over Rocky any day though simply based on skill level is strange, though. Marciano has the better stamina and takes the better shot, and if skill was everything Moore, Walcott, and Charles would of all beaten Rocky.

Marciano could take a beating, there was no doubt about that whatsoever. The guy didn't go undefeated his entire career for nothing. Dempsey's extreme aggressiveness and monster power in both fists would be too much for even The Rock to overcome. I do not think Dempsey would knock out Marciano, however. He'd win by decision in 15.

[heehoo]

Moore, Walcott and Charles could very well of beaten Rocky if they were in their primes. The fact is though Moore and Charles are natural light-heavies and all 3 fighters weren't in their respective primes.

This is something I failed to mention: All of these guys were older, past their primes. Any one of them in their respective primes could have given Marciano a boxing lesson.

[Muchmoore]

Moore, Walcott and Charles could very well of beaten Rocky if they were in their primes. The fact is though Moore and Charles are natural light-heavies and all 3 fighters weren't in their respective primes.

They were up there in years, but all men were freaks in terms of fighting younger than their age. Charles wasn't that old either, he was in his early thirtees. Moore and Charles started out at Lightheavyweight, but they both weighed around 190 pounds when they faced Marciano and had been competing at HW for some time. They weren't Billy Conns.

Archie Moore was unbeaten since 1951 when he faced Rocky in 1955 and coming off of a good win over Nino Valdes. As well as wins over very highly regarded Bob Baker, and Harold Johnson shortly before he faced Marciano. He would win his next 11 fights as well after he faced Marciano before falling to Patterson. Keep in mind Rocky also was getting old as well when he faced Moore and hardly at his best.

Walcott had an up and down career but it is safe to say that he was still near to as good as he ever was. He was coming off of two wins over Ezzard Charles prior to his first fight with Marciano and on film didn't look much slower, weaker, anything different than he did early in his career. Keep in mind Walcotts game was using his advantage in skill, The Walcott Shuffle, etc. and that doesn't erode as quickly with age. He didn't rely on his physical ability to win as much as most other fighters so if his power, speed was a bit slower it didn't effect him as much.

Charles was only 33 when he faced Marciano and coming off of several good wins. While he may have been a little slower than his previous self he was still a great fighter.

[Muchmoore]

Marciano's been put down before, it's not impossible that he gets stopped. Dempsey is the more skilled fighter and he's durable aswell, I see Dempsey countering Marciano's wild overhand rights with hard, punishing left hooks and leading a two fisted attack with speed and power and eventually stopping Rocky. He would have to take a few overhand rights and left hooks for his troubles though.

Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo, a guy who is much more crude and wild than Marciano. He would have to go through hell to get a win over Marciano and would take much more than a few overhand rights and lefts.

Marciano was put down a few times, but against counter punchers who caught him off balance (Walcott, Moore). Dempsey would be going right at him and it would be a fight in a phone booth basicly. Faulting Marciano for being put down for a very short time against Walcott, and Moore while not mentioning Dempsey was nearly knocked out by the crude wild swinging Firpo is one sided and not a balanced argument.

[JohnThomas1]

I like The Rock to grind him down and stop him, anywhere from 6 to 13.

[he grant]

I like Dempsey. I think he hit harder, was much faster and could take it at least as well .. no disrespect for Rocky. Just think Dempsey was better ...