View Full Version : Glen Johnson V Joe Calzaghe 2004 at LH, who wins?
JonOli
08-19-2008, 04:48 PM
Glen Johnson V Joe Calzaghe 2004 at LH, who wins?
A prospective match, in 2004, at LH - that fell through for what ever reasons. Who wins this one?
Poll to come...
kurt2006
08-19-2008, 04:49 PM
JC wins it easily, GJ is vastly over-rated.
JonOli
08-19-2008, 04:51 PM
Whoops, this was meant to go in the main forum... still we can have two of them....
FLINT ISLAND
08-19-2008, 04:53 PM
Johnson had tough battles with Clinton Woods
Johnsons main claim during this time was the KO of Jones
But Jones was sliding fast
so you can imagine now 2008 Jones is going to be "shot" in a real competitive fight
Calzaghe has to win this Jones fight big otherwise people are not going to be impressed at all
Beatboxer
08-19-2008, 04:55 PM
Calzaghe wide on points.
He thrives on fighters like Johnson.
Calzaghe, pretty easily
Let's take a look at Dawson, as a template (and I'm quite aware Johnson is old - but he hasn't aged a huge amount). Another fast moving southpaw. Johnson didn't even get near him when he was jabbing and moving early on. This is because he's very slow and poor at cutting off the ring. The only reason this fight was even close is because Dawson is lacking in stamina and chin, and he let Johnson catch up with him and stun his china chinned ass. We don't have to worry about these factors with Calzaghe
Now Calzaghe doesn't really fight like Dawson, he's not so much a runner, he'll likely make this a tear up and fight fire with fire. But its just a crude comparison that shows what a southpaw with speed can do to Johnson. He'll win the battle on the outside with his jab, and can pepper Johnson with shots from all angles as he comes in. Johnson will probably land shots when he gets into range, but that is going to be a very short period out of each round
Calzaghe UD, 9-3.
Joe Calzaghe easy UD.
Johnson is a good solid pro but as Kurt said he is vastly overated. He has basically lost to every good fighter he fought excluding Jones Jnr and Tarver.
Calzaghe is too fast and accurate and he would have a field day with Johnson in the manner he did with Lacy.
TheChamp1000
08-19-2008, 05:18 PM
Joe C UD. Glen is a good tuff fighter but vastly overrated by many. I give him props for heart and taking on whoever calls.
"TKO"
08-20-2008, 04:40 AM
JC wins it easily, GJ is vastly over-rated.
Ditto to that. I have respect for Johnson's fight anyone mentality, but he doesn't have 13 losses for no reason. His reputation has been vastly inflated off of the KO of a shot Jones and the perpetuation of this myth about Calzaghe ducking him.
Grant1
08-20-2008, 04:49 AM
That's odd for a poll on here. Not normal for EVERYONE to think the same !!!
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dwilson
08-20-2008, 05:37 AM
Johnson KO round 2. China chinned Joe would retire in shame.
"TKO"
08-20-2008, 05:53 AM
Johnson KO round 2. China chinned Joe would retire in shame.
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dwilson
08-20-2008, 05:55 AM
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Joe never had the bottle to fight guys like Johnson.
"TKO"
08-20-2008, 06:34 AM
Joe never had the bottle to fight guys like Johnson.
Come off it! Much as I respect Johnson for his willingness to fight anyone, he is basically a glorified gatekeeper who has made a career out of one victory over Jones and perpetuating this myth that a much superior fighter was afraid of him. Calzaghe has fought at least 10 fighters who are on the same or a higher level than Johnson. There's a reason he's got 13 losses and his record at 168 was 5-6. Seriously, what is Johnson going to do to defeat a prime Calzaghe? Walking forward a lot is just going to get him a beating the way it did to Sheika and Lacy and he isn't tall enough or fast enough to box him from range. Nor is Johnson any kind of noted puncher to have a chance of a stoppage against a guy who takes a shot well. I don't think JC would stop him as Glen is a smart boxer with a hell of a chin, but he would be well beaten over the distance.
Rebel-INS
08-20-2008, 08:02 AM
I actually believe Johnson is incredibly underrated. People look at his boxrec and see all his defeats, but he has been robbed on countless occasions due to him fighting in other fighters back yards.
Anyway, Calzaghe would win a clear UD.
Rebel-INS
08-20-2008, 08:03 AM
Johnson KO round 2. China chinned Joe would retire in shame.
Johnson has barely any power whatsoever, and Calzaghe has a very good chin.
achillesthegreat
08-21-2008, 10:38 AM
This would have been a real good 175 fight for Calzaghe. Johnson never beats him. A tough fight who walks forward but is technically sloppy won't beat Joe. Joe will keep touching him so much that you'll have to question his sexuality. Joe won't miss. He'd paint him from top to bottom. Seriously, Joe is all wrong for Glen.
Brummy1976
08-21-2008, 01:56 PM
Joe Calzaghe easy UD.
Johnson is a good solid pro but as Kurt said he is vastly overated. He has basically lost to every good fighter he fought excluding Jones Jnr and Tarver.
Calzaghe is too fast and accurate and he would have a field day with Johnson in the manner he did with Lacy.Most of johnsons loses were close affairs mate, bar hopkins of course
LiamE
08-21-2008, 02:26 PM
Most of johnsons loses were close affairs mate, bar hopkins of course
Thats the difference isnt it?
Joe finds a way to win close fights, Johnson doesn't.
rumour24tiger
08-22-2008, 06:34 AM
This thread isn't being fair to Johnson.
Joe gets fights at the right time, Johnson doesn't.
Another difference is, Johnson has fought just about anyone, whereas Joe has been wrapped in cotton wool as they say.
Johnson has a claim to beating Dawson, a fast, young fighter. Glen couldn't quite finish him, but he had plenty of answers for Dawson. Dawson should have been the worst fight out there for Johnson, yet he seemed to improve on the Tarver fights.
He's a very dangerous fight for Joe. It wouldnot be a replay of Lacy. Johnson knows how to fight a LOT of styles. Whether he performed or not, whether he won, lost or got robbed, Glen learned a lot vs Eric Harding, Derrick Harmon, Tarver, Julio Gonzalez, Ottke. Some serious seasoning, usually in adverse circumstances. Basically, GJ would not be intimidated figthing in front of a load of Welsh fans.
Yes, Joe finds a way. Yes, Joe has the winning ingredient. No, Joe does not beat Johnson easily at all. You wouldn't exactly say prime Joe beat Brewer and Mitchell "easily", would you? Johnson is a bit better than them with more longevity.
In 2004, Joe wasn't acting like much of a champion. Johnson was having an excellent run. That fight would either have woken Calzaghe up, or given him a serious scare/setback!
Most of johnsons loses were close affairs mate, bar hopkins of course
Not arguing that they werent close, but if you ever listen to Johnson its as though he ran away with the fight. His loss against Daniel Judah was defintley a robbery.
The only guy who ive heard him give props to is Hopkins, which he cant really bitch about as he was stopped.
JonOli
08-22-2008, 10:21 AM
This thread isn't being fair to Johnson.
Joe gets fights at the right time, Johnson doesn't.
Another difference is, Johnson has fought just about anyone, whereas Joe has been wrapped in cotton wool as they say.
Johnson has a claim to beating Dawson, a fast, young fighter. Glen couldn't quite finish him, but he had plenty of answers for Dawson. Dawson should have been the worst fight out there for Johnson, yet he seemed to improve on the Tarver fights.
He's a very dangerous fight for Joe. It wouldnot be a replay of Lacy. Johnson knows how to fight a LOT of styles. Whether he performed or not, whether he won, lost or got robbed, Glen learned a lot vs Eric Harding, Derrick Harmon, Tarver, Julio Gonzalez, Ottke. Some serious seasoning, usually in adverse circumstances. Basically, GJ would not be intimidated figthing in front of a load of Welsh fans.
Yes, Joe finds a way. Yes, Joe has the winning ingredient. No, Joe does not beat Johnson easily at all. You wouldn't exactly say prime Joe beat Brewer and Mitchell "easily", would you? Johnson is a bit better than them with more longevity.
In 2004, Joe wasn't acting like much of a champion. Johnson was having an excellent run. That fight would either have woken Calzaghe up, or given him a serious scare/setback!
I'm inclined to agree. Sure it's probable that Joe would win, but I don't think it's as certain as these poll results show. Joe was never to keen too get in the ring with Johnson - that must say something.
If Johnson can cause Dawson problems now, I don't see why he couldn't give Calzaghe a headache around the time Johnson was knocking Jones out. Sure Calzaghe may well win but it's not a total and utter walk over like people are making out.
Bodysnatcher
08-22-2008, 11:04 AM
One thing I always wanted to know, being an admirer of Johnson, was just how many of his losses were definite or likely robberies.
I mean, I asked on the main board recently who had seen Johnson vs Sheika and not one person answered.
One thing I always wanted to know, being an admirer of Johnson, was just how many of his losses were definite or likely robberies.
I mean, I asked on the main board recently who had seen Johnson vs Sheika and not one person answered.
I saw his fight with Daniel Judah and i think it ended in a draw, although in a previous reply i put down that he lost......anyways Johnson didnt win, but he should have, i had him 3 rounds up.
Also i saw him against Sven Ottke and for the first time in history i actually lasted the fight:D but in all fairness to Ottke he won that fight.
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