How Will History Remember Shane Mosely?

[Russell]

For someone pegged as the new Sugar Ray Robinson early in his career, he certainly isn't thought of very highly today, or so it seems.

Steroid backlash, bad luck... What?

How was he viewed before his defeats to Wright and Forrest? Is it hard to judge him currently when the hype previously was so huge?

[Seasoned Veteran]

I personally think Mosley is a first ballot hall of famer. May be wrong but doesn't he have a great reputation?

[ripcity]

Very talented boxer who while a first or second ballet Hall of Famer, did not live up to expatitions. I have heard a lot of good things about Shane Mosely as a person outside the ring but the starroids thing defently hurts his repatution. Th first name to pop in to my head as a comparesion was Donald Curry who while a very talented boxer did not live up to expations.

[Loewe]

Don´t know about the steroid thing. Was it ever proven and if it hurts Mosley than it should also effect Holyfield, Toney and Jones.

[ripcity]

Don´t know about the steroid thing. Was it ever proven and if it hurts Mosley than it should also effect Holyfield, Toney and Jones.
We live in a world where steroid use dose not need to be proven. I don't think Barry Bonds ever failed a drug test.

[Loewe]

We live in a world where steroid use dose not need to be proven. I don't think Barry Bonds ever failed a drug test.

Who´s Barry Bonds? Is he related to James Bond?

Where I come presumption of innocance is one of the most important rules when it comes to judge somebody. And I think rightly so.

[Mendoza]

Don´t know about the steroid thing. Was it ever proven and if it hurts Mosley than it should also effect Holyfield, Toney and Jones.

Mosely was a customer of the infamous BALCO labs.

[Loewe]

Mosely was a customer of the infamous BALCO labs.

Was he sentenced? Was he cought? Is there any clear evidence?

If not and you still judge him than Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps are/were also using doping.

[Mendoza]

Was he sentenced? Was he cought? Is there any clear evidence?

If not and you still judge him than Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps are/were also using doping.

Mosley was called to testify in court. It is not known what he said, but BALCO was a Roids lab. The owner went to prison. A few X BALCO clinets have been busted with RIOIDS. Too much smoke here. I tend to doubt Mosley, who was ripped and looked noticably different after BALCO closed down was 100% clean. Do I know for sure? No. Do I think he used BALCO to get an unfair edge? Yeah. I still think he was a great HOF fighter though.

[Loewe]

Mosley was called to testify in court. It is not known what he said, but BALCO was a Roids lab. The owner went to prison. A few X BALCO clinets have been busted with RIOIDS. Too much smoke here. I tend to doubt Mosley, who was ripped and looked noticably different after BALCO closed down was 100% clean. Do I know for sure? No. Do I think he used BALCO to get an unfair edge? Yeah. I still think he was a great HOF fighter though.

It doesn´t matter what somebody thinks, it only matters what is fact. And he was never sentenced or anything.

I´m too thinking 2/3rd of the olympic athletes are doping but till proven otherwise I won´t knock any of them.

[bladerunner]

i think the comparesion to Curry is a good one both were pfp best at one point but after theyre first loss they were never the same but they still acomplished enough to be in the HOF.

but they shouldve been more.

[mcvey]

For someone pegged as the new Sugar Ray Robinson early in his career, he certainly isn't thought of very highly today, or so it seems.

Steroid backlash, bad luck... What?

How was he viewed before his defeats to Wright and Forrest? Is it hard to judge him currently when the hype previously was so huge?
As a very ,very good fighter who fought everyone ,but ultimately failed to live up to the unreaslistic predictions offered on his behalf.

[SuzieQ49]

Moseley recently ADMITTED he used steroids for the 2nd de la hoya fight.

[TommyV]

A superb fighter at 135 who cared his magnificent talent through the weights to continued success, with an unfortunate stain on his career after the BALCO saga.

[ChrisPontius]

Do I think he used BALCO to get an unfair edge?

I'm not really sure i'd call it an "unfair" edge, though.

If you believe he used steroids, fine. But remember that he never failed a steroid test. So what does that mean? His opponents, who didn't fail a steroid test either, probably were on them as well. If you think someone whose only goal is to win is going to let something that will give him an advantage without repercussions slip away from him, think again.

[Bill Butcher]

To call Mosely the new Ray Robinson was indeed laughable EVEN BEFORE he lost to Forrest.

He should be remembered as 1 of the best boxers of his time & 1 of the best LWTs of all time but obviously not the best.

[lfsdan]

Hall of Famer for sure. Steroids or no steroids it does nothing to tarnish his legacy. Steroids don't win you a fight. Early on I pegged him as to be one of the best ever, but things got muddled along the way. If he would have stuck at 135 I think he would have been all time top 5 for that weight class. Of course thats all speculation but he is virtually unbeatable under 147.

[natonic]

Hall of Famer for sure. Steroids or no steroids it does nothing to tarnish his legacy. Steroids don't win you a fight. Early on I pegged him as to be one of the best ever, but things got muddled along the way. If he would have stuck at 135 I think he would have been all time top 5 for that weight class. Of course thats all speculation but he is virtually unbeatable under 147.

I assume he took the steroids for something other than to look good on the beach. Steroids don't fix a glass jaw but there had to have been a reason for him to take them.

[Thread Stealer]

Hall of Famer for sure. Steroids or no steroids it does nothing to tarnish his legacy. Steroids don't win you a fight. Early on I pegged him as to be one of the best ever, but things got muddled along the way. If he would have stuck at 135 I think he would have been all time top 5 for that weight class. Of course thats all speculation but he is virtually unbeatable under 147.

They don't give you a home-run or win you a race either, but they give athletes who are already great in those fields a chance to illegally improve their abilities.

I'm not sure how much longer Mosley could've stayed at 135. He was very big at that weight class. There's guys I'd pick over him there but I think his talent and abilities (and size advantage due to modern weigh-in rules) would make him a tough test for any LW.

Mosley was a great fighter, although his resume outside of DLH is a little weak. He was probably the 2nd most physically gifted of the top fighters of this era, outside of RJJ. I think his remarkable athletic gifts allowed him to get away with a lot of things.

[Thread Stealer]

Was he sentenced? Was he cought? Is there any clear evidence?

If not and you still judge him than Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps are/were also using doping.

Mosley admitted it, but used the old "I didn't know what I was taking" defense.

[lfsdan]

I assume he took the steroids for something other than to look good on the beach. Steroids don't fix a glass jaw but there had to have been a reason for him to take them.

Of course they help with recovery allowing one to train harder and certain anabolics increase red blood cell count. But keep in mind Mosley is one of the only ones that admitted to it/was caught. We don't know how many fighters were using. The olympics which are supposed to be considered top of the line as far as drug testing admittedly only catch between 5-10% of athletes actually doping. I'm not defending his actions but I doubt Mosley would have been any different whether he took drugs or not.

[Russell]

So where does Mosely rank?

Below or above Hoya?

[Thread Stealer]

So where does Mosely rank?

Below or above Hoya?

Below. DLH's overall achievements/resume are superior, even if Mosley has the edge head-to-head.

[Russell]

Who does Shane pull ahead of, in your opinion?

[la-califa]

For someone pegged as the new Sugar Ray Robinson early in his career, he certainly isn't thought of very highly today, or so it seems.

Steroid backlash, bad luck... What?

How was he viewed before his defeats to Wright and Forrest? Is it hard to judge him currently when the hype previously was so huge?I think he would be remembered better if his name was spelled correctly!:patsch Mosley. (Kidding!, Sorry couldn't resist!)!

[Russell]

Sorry. :(

[Thread Stealer]

Who does Shane pull ahead of, in your opinion?

Among the top fighters of the past 15 or so years?

Probably Tszyu, and Wright, even though Winky has the advantage head-to-head. I think Shane is below others like Pacquiao, DLH, Mayweather, Jones, Hopkins, Morales, and Barrera.

[Russell]

Why would you rank him above Wright?

Arguably Wright beat Vargas as did Mosley along with Taylor...

[la-califa]

Among the top fighters of the past 15 or so years?

Probably Tszyu, and Wright, even though Winky has the advantage head-to-head. I think Shane is below others like Pacquiao, DLH, Mayweather, Jones, Hopkins, Morales, and Barrera.Below DLH eventhough Mosley defeated him...Twice!

[Mantequilla]

As a man who never really learned to slip and counter.

he wouldnhave been so much better if he had done.None of this powerboxing bullshit.

[Thread Stealer]

Below DLH eventhough Mosley defeated him...Twice!

Having the head-to-head edge doesn't mean you should rank higher overall. Junior Jones/Marco Antonio Barrera, Ken Norton/Muhammad Ali (Ali got lucky to win 2), Aaron Pryor/Alexis Arguello, etc...

Barrera, Ali, and Arguello are all the greater fighters in those comparisons because they had greater overall careers. Likewise for DLH and Mosley.

Besides, the 2nd fight between DLH and Balco Mosley is dubious.

[Russell]

As a man who never really learned to slip and counter.

he wouldnhave been so much better if he had done.None of this powerboxing bullshit.

Power boxing. :lol:

[Thread Stealer]

Why would you rank him above Wright?

Arguably Wright beat Vargas as did Mosley along with Taylor...

If Wright had fought a terrific, bigger fighter like Mosley did against Winky, I think Winky would lose too. Shane had a nice run as a title-holder (albeit against so-so opposition) at 135 and defeated a prime DLH in impressive fashion.

I have no problem personally if you have Winky ahead of Mosley all-time. I thought he won 7 rounds against both Vargas and Taylor, so he should've been a 2 division champion, and a champ at 154 sooner than when he won his belt.

[ripcity]

Who´s Barry Bonds? Is he related to James Bond?

Where I come presumption of innocance is one of the most important rules when it comes to judge somebody. And I think rightly so.
Bonds holds the singal season and career records for Home Runs in Major League Baseball. He has been acaused of using staroids, and is perhaps the most known name in the BALCO scandal . Allthough he has never tested postive for them, the acauastions (along with being a jerk) have nagitivtly affected his public image with the press and fans.
My point in bringing up Bonds is that while it is suposed to be innconet intel proven gulity. The reality is that a for a lot of people an acausion is enough.
Mosley is going to be nagitivly affected by the acausion of using staroids. More so than any other boxer that gets acused of doing so espicialy sence he like Bonds was a BALCO client.
It is not fair but that is how things work.

[heehoo]

Great talent, tarnished forever by the BALCO scandal and that scumbag Victor Conte.

[Loewe]

Bonds holds the singal season and career records for Home Runs in Major League Baseball. He has been acaused of using staroids, and is perhaps the most known name in the BALCO scandal . Allthough he has never tested postive for them, the acauastions (along with being a jerk) have nagitivtly affected his public image with the press and fans.
My point in bringing up Bonds is that while it is suposed to be innconet intel proven gulity. The reality is that a for a lot of people an acausion is enough.
Mosley is going to be nagitivly affected by the acausion of using staroids. More so than any other boxer that gets acused of doing so espicialy sence he like Bonds was a BALCO client.
It is not fair but that is how things work.

Well, I am fair. :deal

But since Mosley admitted it, I think there´s nothing to discuss. Scumbag.