Angelo Hyder's Corrupt Promotions

[ajay11]

How the fuck did Steve Wills get the decision for the Australian title?

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[justhavenago]

tough decision......

but jason crowe is in the wings waiting.......

[ajay11]

Straight up, that shit makes me see red.

We're not talking about some bullshit hybrid title, we're talking the prestigious AUSTRALIAN LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE, a crown that has been held by some of the world's greatest boxers going back well over a century.

What happend tonight was a slight on the crown held by those fighters. It shouldn't be prostituted in such a way that it gets brought by the highest bidder. The judge that gave Wills eight rounds should be removed from the position permanently because he is either corrupt or intellectually fucked up.

And spare a thought for the man that should have gone down in the history books as our next lightweight champion JUNMAR DULOG.....had the judges any decency.

[Peterp]

judging in boxing is locally biased worldwide, sad to say Australia is as bad as the others

basically the judges know that if the 'right' boxer doesn't win, they don't get as many future paydays

[waynesmale]

What do they think will happen giving these guys GIFT WINS? Do they learn anything? Hell no.:twisted:

[justhavenago]

jason crowe is warming his hands .....

hopefully wills....... will defend it in november / december

as crowe has challenged the winner......

[JustinD]

What did everyone think of Willies performance?

[Kegsy]

I had it personally even 95-95 after the 10 rounds.

[huricn]

jason crowe is warming his hands .....

hopefully wills....... will defend it in november / december

as crowe has challenged the winner......

Will be a good fight with Crowie and Wills while it lasted

[huricn]

how did Kickett look. i feel asleep about the 3rd round

[PIPO23]

Dulog, no KO, no win. no KO no cry.. simple as that. No power power..It's not a big deal. Who cares. Congrats to Willsy..

[bushboy]

It would be a short night at the office for Jason Crowe IMO. Watched him box at albury the guy has power for sure

[BoppaZoo]

how did Kickett look. i feel asleep about the 3rd roundWillie was great last night.
His Jab and work rate were very very good.

But what impressed me more than anything was his defense. He improved it again and those silly shots he took against StClair he didnt put himself in position to get hit by them this time around.

He controlled every aspect of the fight. Which was a worrying sight for say Billy Dib.

[Rodin]

The worst bit of judging on the night has to go to Cec perkins effort in the Toomey V Parke fight.

6 rounds to 2 for Parke? Get fucked. :fire

[greenghost]

Hyder didn't look too happy when he heard the scores for the Wills fight, and went off at somebody ringside.

[bushboy]

Yeah, andy raymond commented on that i think, I think willsy felt a bit ashamed to wear the belt

[sallywinder]

raymons improving as a commentator....a little. if he'd just cut the sensationalism down a bit..

[PIPO23]

Dulog didn't look to great in there. I think it was one of his worst performance. He was winging wide punches way off. I expected Dolug to be sharper than that. Willsy deserved the win on close points. Not wha the judges socred it.

[straight left]

raymons improving as a commentator....a little. if he'd just cut the sensationalism down a bit..

Andy Raymond is the worst commentator ever seen or heard in boxing. He knows SFA about the sport and clouds the minds of viewers when he is singing his unknowledgeable :fire bullshit on air.

He must be working for free , but then again with effort Fox sports put into the sport nothing is unbelievable.!!!

[ipswich express]

He knows SFA about the sport

If you've ever spoken to him in person, you'd know that's not the case.

[rusty nails]

willsys jab was the key.. every time he remembered to use it dulog looked helpless..

[pezzdog]

Straight up, that shit makes me see red.

We're not talking about some bullshit hybrid title, we're talking the prestigious AUSTRALIAN LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE, a crown that has been held by some of the world's greatest boxers going back well over a century.

What happend tonight was a slight on the crown held by those fighters. It shouldn't be prostituted in such a way that it gets brought by the highest bidder. The judge that gave Wills eight rounds should be removed from the position permanently because he is either corrupt or intellectually fucked up.

And spare a thought for the man that should have gone down in the history books as our next lightweight champion JUNMAR DULOG.....had the judges any decency.

Mate u hav got rocks in ur head if u didnt think that stevey will s won that fight. I was at the fights that night and he clearly won the fight.

and wat is this angelo hyder corrupt bull shit. he is the biggest and best boxing promoter Australia has ever seen. (e.g danny green, sakio bika, gary st clair, william kickett and many more)

[pezzdog]

Andy Raymond is the worst commentator ever seen or heard in boxing. He knows SFA about the sport and clouds the minds of viewers when he is singing his unknowledgeable :fire bullshit on air.

He must be working for free , but then again with effort Fox sports put into the sport nothing is unbelievable.!!!

mate i dont think u know how much i agree. he was saying on mainevent that william kickett had to knock gary st clair out to win. he is an absolute moron.

[Phil Austin]

Could not agree less about Andy, great colour commentator and adds to the night, goes very well when paired with a good technical expert, nobody can judge a contest properly and commentate, Brad Vocale has spoken about this at length due to his experience behind the mike - you cannot be concentrating fully on judging a fight whilst thinking of things to say and keeping a running tab on the action. Andy is the business as far as I am concerned

[Kegsy]

Andy Raymond is an ok commentator for boxing in Australia...but its pretty obvious his international boxing knowledge is virtually non-existant...regularly pronouncing Antonio Margarito's name wrong is a classic example.

[Phil Austin]

But I don't think he follows the international secen overly Kegsy, he concentrates mainly on what he has to know for doing his job here.

[Kegsy]

But I don't think he follows the international secen overly Kegsy, he concentrates mainly on what he has to know for doing his job here.
Well considering he is commentating boxing Phil...he should have some overseas knowledge like naming at least the top few in most divisions. Its pretty sad that he does not.

[Phil Austin]

fair point mate - I guess I just really like the bloke haha! I do enjoy his colour commentary as well

[sallywinder]

nup. hes a piss weak boxing commentator...period. all you can do is compare him against good ones, then you can see his failings, which are many....

[Phil Austin]

Well I guess we all see things differently and different styles appeal to different people

[rusty1]

i think that pezz dogz is the only person here who knows what his talking about.Wills fought great and obviously one the fight he was landing clean punches.WAKE UP!!Anyone who thinks that he didnt win the fight knows nothing about boxing.i bet i could write on my thumb nail what they know about boxing.:thumbsup

[Texan Joe]

i think that pezz dogz is the only person here who knows what his talking about.Wills fought great and obviously one the fight he was landing clean punches.WAKE UP!!Anyone who thinks that he didnt win the fight knows nothing about boxing.i bet i could write on my thumb nail what they know about boxing.:thumbsup


Hmmm:think could pezz dogz & rusty 1 be the same person?:think

...might be Willsy!:hey

[Kegsy]

Hmmm:think could pezz dogz & rusty 1 be the same person?:think

...might be Willsy!:hey
Willsy is a top bloke & would never come post on here like that.
That i can guarantee.:deal

[Kegsy]

mate i dont think u know how much i agree. he was saying on mainevent that william kickett had to knock gary st clair out to win. he is an absolute moron.
His commentating on that night, was absolutely woeful i agree.

[DaSweetScience]

Straight up, that shit makes me see red.

We're not talking about some bullshit hybrid title, we're talking the prestigious AUSTRALIAN LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE, a crown that has been held by some of the world's greatest boxers going back well over a century.

What happend tonight was a slight on the crown held by those fighters. It shouldn't be prostituted in such a way that it gets brought by the highest bidder. The judge that gave Wills eight rounds should be removed from the position permanently because he is either corrupt or intellectually fucked up.

And spare a thought for the man that should have gone down in the history books as our next lightweight champion JUNMAR DULOG.....had the judges any decency.

I'm with you 100%. The "stepping stone", crowd favourite farcical bullshit has to stop once an Australian title is on the line.

[ajay11]

Mate u hav got rocks in ur head if u didnt think that stevey will s won that fight. I was at the fights that night and he clearly won the fight.

How much piss did you drink and how much shit were you yapping?

and wat is this angelo hyder corrupt bull shit. he is the biggest and best boxing promoter Australia has ever seen. (e.g danny green, sakio bika, gary st clair, william kickett and many more)

3 posts since joining with 2 of them explaining how badly you want to give Hyder a blow job.....

Some of the great lightweights of the past would have set the place alight had they lost an Australian title like that.

[Boom_Boom]

So this is Green's promoter.

[wangman]

:yep.... and dont forget Jeff Fenech the lowlife is in Brigg's corner aswell

[Kegsy]

Dont blame Angelo Hyder for this tonight boys.

[noobie]

why not isnt he the promota

[Kegsy]

why not isnt he the promota
Nope promoter is Green Machine Promotions led by J ustin Manolikos.

Hyder might have some things to say/do at times but he aint in charge of this 1.

I dont think any promoter would want this to happen anyday/anytime so i wouldnt blame the promoter on a fighter giving up after a few seconds.

Yes the promoter can be "proactive" & offer refunds or free tickets etc. whatever to try & encourage paying customers to turn up again.

[Kegsy]

Another thing worth considering before people blame the promoters or whatever.

What does the promoter want from this event or any event???

The promoter ideally wants the card to be successful & his fighter or fighters to come through with a deserved victory, which in a way leads to the paying public (in attendance & on PPV) being satisfied with the product & going away wanting to come back when the next promotion is set.

Whereas tonight in this case the paying public has gone home angry...disenchantered with boxing etc.
This will therefore lead to a much harder sell for the promoter next time which is not ideal at all.
This would not make long term financial sense for the promoter at all.

The promoter or promoters didnt want this at all, they wanted Danny Green to probably have a few toughish early rounds & then come away with a KO victory looking as dominant as ever.

[noobie]

they wanted Danny Green to probably have a few toughish early rounds & then come away with a KO victory looking as dominant as ever.

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If thats what green wants he should sign to fight someone then

[TCboxa]

tough decision......

but jason crowe is in the wings waiting.......

And with new Managment i hear, Crowe is now Ziggys boy from what ive been told! If the fight does come off, Crowe would eat Wills alive imo

[perfect jet]

Heard a whisper that hyder is packing up and moving to west oz.

[TCboxa]

Heard a whisper that hyder is packing up and moving to west oz.

Whys that? is NSW boxing going to suspend his licence?

[perfect jet]

Whys that? is NSW boxing going to suspend his licence?

Nah, it hasnt got anything to do with this fiasco. I dont know the reason.

[TCboxa]

Very strange move for Hyder imo. Few boxers are based from WA, he will have to spend more money on promos to fly fighters into WA, unless he is droping his shows and just focusing on making money with Green fighting bums in WA.

[sallywinder]

i cant post a new thread. so i need a thread that says close to what i want to in a title. im not up angelo. its just that his thread is the closest to what i want to say...........

so tell me......; why cant any young or old australian promotors break through ANY OF THE NEW OR ESTABLISHED DIGITAL TV STATIONS NOW AVAILABLE?

is it lack of boxing talent?

or lack of promoting talent?

[maco_187]

i cant post a new thread. so i need a thread that says close to what i want to in a title. im not up angelo. its just that his thread is the closest to what i want to say...........

so tell me......; why cant any young or old australian promotors break through ANY OF THE NEW OR ESTABLISHED DIGITAL TV STATIONS NOW AVAILABLE?

is it lack of boxing talent?

or lack of promoting talent?

bit of both, not big audiences watching the fights, struggle against rival programs, imagine boxing against the footy on a friday night we struggle badly

[sallywinder]

bit of both, not big audiences watching the fights, struggle against rival programs, imagine boxing against the footy on a friday night we struggle badly

um....khoder got around that......by fighting during the week... so why cant other promotors think that way?

[Kegsy]

You need to have good corporate backing out in the world, & be willing to risk losing some money to make money, make the product interesting for the consumer, especially outside the boxing diehards.
Get some boxers with potential & get them exposure through local media, whether it be through radio, local newspapers, fundraisers etc.
Be willing to create contacts in other sports codes to try & fuel interest.
Have boxers regularly fighting in their home cities early in their careers to manufacture a fan base. The worst thing promoters can do at any level is make a boxer fight regularly outside their home cities as in the long run it creates no fanbase that can relate to where the fighter grew from. Obviously the top echelon of fighters this theory does not apply.

Being a promoter is the toughest job at times, because things can turn from looking great to terrible fast, & your held responsible for everything which turns many people away from doing it.

[sallywinder]

You need to have good corporate backing out in the world, & be willing to risk losing some money to make money, make the product interesting for the consumer, especially outside the boxing diehards.
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see, that is the bullshit. tv presents crap sport. bowls, netball, and many obscure sports i cant think of, that others will.....

boxing is popular. WHATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!!!!!

[Kegsy]

You need to have good corporate backing out in the world, & be willing to risk losing some money to make money, make the product interesting for the consumer, especially outside the boxing diehards.
Get some boxers with potential & get them exposure through local media, whether it be through radio, local newspapers, fundraisers etc.
Be willing to create contacts in other sports codes to try & fuel interest.
Have boxers regularly fighting in their home cities early in their careers to manufacture a fan base. The worst thing promoters can do at any level is make a boxer fight regularly outside their home cities as in the long run it creates no fanbase that can relate to where the fighter grew from. Obviously the top echelon of fighters this theory does not apply.

Being a promoter is the toughest job at times, because things can turn from looking great to terrible fast, & your held responsible for everything which turns many people away from doing it.
Alot of what i mentioned comes straight out of the best promotional company in the worlds model - Top Rank Boxing.:deal

[sallywinder]

You need to have good corporate backing out in the world, .

SO ALL THE BULLSHIT SPORTS I SEE ON TV, HAVE GREATER CORPORATE BACKING????!!!!!:rofl

SOMEONE IS FUCKING UP.

I wish i could start a thread on obscure sports that we see on tv that are smaller than boxing......:yep

[Kegsy]

SO ALL THE BULLSHIT SPORTS I SEE ON TV, HAVE GREATER CORPORATE BACKING????!!!!!:rofl

SOMEONE IS FUCKING UP.

I wish i could start a thread on obscure sports that we see on tv that are smaller than boxing......:yep
How do you expect to create interest in your product from scratch.
Every sport at some time or another had good corporate backing along the way.
Without it you will have greater difficulty getting your product off the ground.
Boxing over the years has shot itself in the foot like football(soccer) & other sport codes in this country.
Boxing is never an easy sell out in the community (has a bad reputation in parts, due to media always showing its negative side more often than not), but showing interest in the community & going up & beyond would help bridge the gap.

[Kegsy]

If i were building a prospect from where i live near Fremantle, Western Australia i would make it my priority to get everyone from that region to know all about him through local media work, local community initiatives etc.
Host most of his early fights in a ballroom/small indoor arena in the neighbourhood showcasing other local talent.
If this prospect were real good, i would not rest until nearly every male teenager/young to mid age male adult had at least read or heard about him & the good work he was doing around the community.

[sallywinder]

How do you expect to create interest in your product from scratch.
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what the fuck are you on about....? FROM SCRATCH!!!!?????


GET REAL!!! australia has been a famous boxing nation since 1901!!!!!!

we have had great champs......fuck i need not explain myself.:-(

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

You need to have good corporate backing out in the world, & be willing to risk losing some money to make money, make the product interesting for the consumer, especially outside the boxing diehards.
Get some boxers with potential & get them exposure through local media, whether it be through radio, local newspapers, fundraisers etc.
Be willing to create contacts in other sports codes to try & fuel interest.
Have boxers regularly fighting in their home cities early in their careers to manufacture a fan base.

The worst thing promoters can do at any level is make a boxer fight regularly outside their home cities as in the long run it creates no fanbase that can relate to where the fighter grew from. Obviously the top echelon of fighters this theory does not apply.

Being a promoter is the toughest job at times, because things can turn from looking great to terrible fast, & your held responsible for everything which turns many people away from doing it.


This has happened to some degree to both Kats & Vic, even though they have reached the top echelon Kegsy.

[Kegsy]

This has happened to some degree to both Kats & Vic, even though they have reached the top echelon Kegsy.
Kats & Vic sell alot better outside Australia, than they do in it no doubt.
They are lucky that reaching that top echelon they have not needed huge local fanbases.

Look at 1 of the biggest sellers of tickets in the US, Middleweight prospect Fernando Guerrero. Brilliantly managed, has had the majority of his early fights in Salisbury, Maryland, where he can draw around 10,000 people to his fights.
Why??? Coz he has gotten out in the community & put in the hard yards.
People expect popularity & interest just to come....hard work from everyone Promoter, Manager & Boxer is needed.

[sallywinder]

or is there something wrong with our product
? is there too much 'box' and not enough' 'fight'?


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[sallywinder]

come on all you whingers......why cant we get a card on free tv?

[left jab danny]

come on all you whingers......why cant we get a card on free tv?

2 words...Billy Dibb:dead

[cedrichw]

Something that I remember in the Johnny Lewis Book Ferriera V Gatalerri ( Spelling) was on free to air TV when Gatalerri claimed he had a sore hand and the fight was stopped. There was no free to air TV for 6 years then Fenech's first world title and Lester Elllis's fight were on channel 9 and 7 respectively and then a few more were shown. This obviously stopped with the fights going to PayTV Then one HD brought it back to live TV then the Billy Dib fight had a bad taste in most peoples mouth and just recently the Green briggs fight. Boxing just keeps shooting its self in the foot

[Bobby Sinn]

Something that I remember in the Johnny Lewis Book Ferriera V Gatalerri ( Spelling) was on free to air TV when Gatalerri claimed he had a sore hand and the fight was stopped. There was no free to air TV for 6 years then Fenech's first world title and Lester Elllis's fight were on channel 9 and 7 respectively and then a few more were shown. This obviously stopped with the fights going to PayTV Then one HD brought it back to live TV then the Billy Dib fight had a bad taste in most peoples mouth and just recently the Green briggs fight. Boxing just keeps shooting its self in the foot

Barry Michael vs Frank Ropis.. also televised..

[cedrichw]

bobby what year was that compared to the others i got no idea just wondering i will go and boxrec it i guess

[Rodin]

nup. hes a piss weak boxing commentator...period. all you can do is compare him against good ones, then you can see his failings, which are many....


I dunno how you can say that Sally, unless you're just being downright contrary.

Most of those blokes world wide have a failing when it comes to one-eyed commentary.

The worst session of ringside commentary from the US in living memory came out of the Chavez Jnr V Duddy fight.
It was an across the board slaughter on Duddy. Every between rounds replay they showed was a Chavez hit. Every scoring punch he threw got acclaim, but not for Duddy. They just made it sound like it was a Chavez spar.

I'd rather listen to Andy than any of them. A lot depends on who he has to work off/with. It's when he has to do it all that it can get boring to some, but writing him off is just nonsense IMO.

[sallywinder]

I dunno how you can say that Sally, unless you're just being downright contrary.

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now come on rodin.......you know that just aint me..!!!:yep

[DownUnderBoxing]

Pro bouts from the last show...the last fight was for three "belts"...lol

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[LeonMcS]

Pretty sure its Moses Ioelu.