I dont like the « PBF looked Beatable in there with Oscar» comment, lemme explain

[DoumB]

Some ppl in here like to beleive that since floyd had trouble with oscar in the first 8 rounds, he looked beatable, what you ppl seem to forget is that even tho DLH is no longer his younger self, hes a very good fighter and still an Elite one, when he did hit floyd with his left jab and was being able to block PBF's shot with is glove, it had nothing to do with floyd being beatable, it was oscar who caused problem, Floyd had trouble hitting him clean cause oscar had his hands high and was ready to counter at anytime, while being a bit slower, he had the nice timing till he gased out,

Some of u seem to think oscar is shot or something, I would make him the favorite over the younger guys like Cotto and Hatton, u can call me a fool I dont care, from what I saw, Oscar is still a good fighter and Mayweather is in no way more beatable then he was a year ago.

[Executioner]

Oscar isn't elite anymore. :lol:

[DoumB]

Oscar isn't elite anymore. :lol:


...lemme guess, cause he lost to the PFP king?..:-(

[China_hand_Joe]

Mayweather had zero trouble with Oscar -fullstop-

[rr94]

He's in better shape than Kostya Tzuyu or Jose Luis Castillo...

[PH|LLA]

...lemme guess, cause he lost to the PFP king?..:-(
guess again :-( :-( ,

he spends more time promoting than training.

When i saw the fight i could tell oscar was shot from the first round. He was heavy on his feet.

[Executioner]

...lemme guess, cause he lost to the PFP king?..:-(

No. Lets take a look at his fights leading up to Mayweather, shall we?:yep

Mosley beat DLH in the rematch.
Sturm should have gotten the decision against DLH.
Hopkins knocks him out.
---one and a half year lay off---
DLH stops Mayorga but looked very rusty in the process.

[PH|LLA]

No. Lets take a look at his fights leading up to Mayweather, shall we?:yep

Mosley beat DLH in the rematch.
Sturm should have gotten the decision against DLH.
Hopkins knocks him out.
---one and a half year lay off---
DLH stops Mayorga but looked very rusty in the process.
seriously its not even debatable. Oscar is has not been elite since his fight against Sturm

[Executioner]

seriously its not even debatable. Oscar is has not been elite since his fight against Sturm

:good

only a Floyd fan would still consider him elite. I wouldn't be surprised if DoumB had Oscar on his P4P list going into the fight.:-(

[Executioner]

He was just in another thread defending ODH to the death, I don't think he is bias against Oscar. Oscar's win over Mayorga was one of his best performances.

Mayorga was a trinidad leftover. :smoke

[Doggie03]

Oscar being elite or not, he is still a solid fighter compared to most out there. Floyd never even had a tune up at 154 and he beat him.
And I just don't understand how everyone is saying that PBF is a boring fighter. His past 2 fights (which were not boring, just pure craftmanship) were against fighters that were 20 ibs heavier than he was, and that's what everybody is basing this on. If everyone were to look at his 36 fights before that, then all would know he can stand toe-to-toe with some tough fighters. He is going to bust Hatton's face in till nobody recognizes him.

[Pimp C]

Some ppl in here like to beleive that since floyd had trouble with oscar in the first 8 rounds, he looked beatable, what you ppl seem to forget is that even tho DLH is no longer his younger self, hes a very good fighter and still an Elite one, when he did hit floyd with his left jab and was being able to block PBF's shot with is glove, it had nothing to do with floyd being beatable, it was oscar who caused problem, Floyd had trouble hitting him clean cause oscar had his hands high and was ready to counter at anytime, while being a bit slower, he had the nice timing till he gased out,

Some of u seem to think oscar is shot or something, I would make him the favorite over the younger guys like Cotto and Hatton, u can call me a fool I dont care, from what I saw, Oscar is still a good fighter and Mayweather is in no way more beatable then he was a year ago.
I agree Oscar is by no means shot. IMO he'll beat anyone at 154 except Spinks and possibly anyone at 147. He still has a good jab, speed, and a good boxing IQ. Not to mention he would be the favorite over anyone at 147 except Mosley or PBF.

[Lance_Uppercut]

People who think DLH is still elite must not have seen him fight till the past couple years...

[Pimp C]

People who think DLH is still elite must not have seen him fight till the past couple years...
Who would you favor over Oscar at 154 or 147?

[Executioner]

I agree Oscar is by no means shot. IMO he'll beat anyone at 154 except Spinks and possibly anyone at 147. He still has a good jab, speed, and a good boxing IQ. Not to mention he would be the favorite over anyone at 147 except Mosley or PBF.

Ouma would beat him. :smoke

[Pimp C]

Ouma would beat him. :smoke
Yeah right. The same Ouma who was schooled by Karmazin?

[Jose FM]

Some ppl in here like to beleive that since floyd had trouble with oscar in the first 8 rounds, he looked beatable, what you ppl seem to forget is that even tho DLH is no longer his younger self, hes a very good fighter and still an Elite one, when he did hit floyd with his left jab and was being able to block PBF's shot with is glove, it had nothing to do with floyd being beatable, it was oscar who caused problem, Floyd had trouble hitting him clean cause oscar had his hands high and was ready to counter at anytime, while being a bit slower, he had the nice timing till he gased out,

Some of u seem to think oscar is shot or something, I would make him the favorite over the younger guys like Cotto and Hatton, u can call me a fool I dont care, from what I saw, Oscar is still a good fighter and Mayweather is in no way more beatable then he was a year ago.
Thats cause a year ago he was fighting bums like Mitchell, Judah, and Baldobum. Of course he looked unbeatable, Cotto will eat his kids, lol.:deal

[Executioner]

Yeah right. The same Ouma who was schooled by Karmazin?

Ouma was reportedly sick that that. How is Oscar going to beat Ouma?

[Pimp C]

Ouma was reportedly sick that that. How is Oscar going to beat Ouma?
Outbox him. Ouma doesn't have anything on his punches to really bother Oscar, he's just pure workrate. Oscar would hit him at will with his jab due to Ouma's poor defense. He would also land his left hook possibly dropping Ouma. No way Ouma wins a decision against Oscar.

[BlueApollo]

I agree Oscar is by no means shot. IMO he'll beat anyone at 154 except Spinks and possibly anyone at 147. He still has a good jab, speed, and a good boxing IQ. Not to mention he would be the favorite over anyone at 147 except Mosley or PBF.

Oh, may the day come that Paul Williams is an underdog facing Oscar at welterweight...

If Ouma had any power at all, the 10th, 11th, and 12th between him and Oscar would be worth $50 just for the comic value.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Who would you favor over Oscar at 154 or 147?


Mosley. Floyd. Cotto be 50-50. Spinks be 50-50. Definately would not count out Clottey @ 147 for stylistic reasons. Hell, if DLH drains himself to 147, I see Williams activity getting to him as well. Same w/ Margarito.

That's not the point. The point is he is NOT the same fighter from many years ago. No way is he better then he was 5 years ago. He's not active, and his stamina, which was not horrible, but not good is worse due to inactivity. Big whup, he beat Mayorga.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Outbox him. Ouma doesn't have anything on his punches to really bother Oscar, he's just pure workrate. Oscar would hit him at will with his jab due to Ouma's poor defense. He would also land his left hook possibly dropping Ouma. No way Ouma wins a decision against Oscar.

Oscar isn't busy enough anymore to keep hungary younger fightes off him. Fighters who rely on their signature punch to win, at this state of their career, are looking for trouble. Ouma took a beating from Taylor. Don't think DLH would KO him.

[Toopretty]

Mosley. Floyd. Cotto be 50-50. Spinks be 50-50. Definately would not count out Clottey @ 147 for stylistic reasons. Hell, if DLH drains himself to 147, I see Williams activity getting to him as well. Same w/ Margarito.

That's not the point. The point is he is NOT the same fighter from many years ago. No way is he better then he was 5 years ago. He's not active, and his stamina, which was not horrible, but not good is worse due to inactivity. Big whup, he beat Mayorga.




You say all this crap...but ODH always had stamina problems..even in his prime..whenever he had to go in the later rounds he gased out..and also he chooses to fight flat footed now more so then he has too. ODH got better technical skills over the years of experience and also he is more of a two handed fighter...if you really know what you are talking about which you damned for sure dont..you would know that ODH in his prime was a totally one handed fighter and very beatable....Not even the top 147pd guy...

[sdsfinest22]

Oscar isn't elite anymore. :lol:

YES HE IS....HES NOT AT HIS PEAK BUT HE STILL CAN PUT UP A FIGHT AGAINST ANY WELTERWEIGHT AND HE WAS THE BEST LITE MIDDLEWEIGHT B4 FLOYD WHOOPED HIM...NONE OF THE 154LB BELT HOLDERS COULD HAVE BEATEN OSCAR...NOT SPINKS NOT NOBODY...UNLESS WINKY WENT BACK DOWN 2 LITE MIDDLEWEIGHT N OSCAR DECIDES TO STAYAT 154 THAN OSCAR THE BEST LITE MIDDLEWEIGHT

[Lance_Uppercut]

You say all this crap...but ODH always had stamina problems..even in his prime..whenever he had to go in the later rounds he gased out..and also he chooses to fight flat footed now more so then he has too. ODH got better technical skills over the years of experience and also he is more of a two handed fighter...if you really know what you are talking about which you damned for sure dont..you would know that ODH in his prime was a totally one handed fighter and very beatable....Not even the top 147pd guy...

STFU little boy.... While you were in grammar school jerking off to Moesha, I was on this board commenting on how DLH was a one handed fighter in his lighter days. But that was moreso at 140 and lower. Funyy how his record got worse at you say he got better. Go back to watching RAW junior....

[Toopretty]

STFU little boy.... While you were in grammar school jerking off to Moesha, I was on this board commenting on how DLH was a one handed fighter in his lighter days. But that was moreso at 140 and lower. Funyy how his record got worse at you say he got better. Go back to watching RAW junior....


With that young ass homer simpson avatar you must be a complete clown..odh was at 140 less then 10 years ago...I was out there smacking clowns like you around that time..I was a pure knucklehead late 80s early 90s...you dont know who the fuck you are talking to...or the kind of breed of person you are smacking off at your gums(literally) with..go put those dentures back in your chops and shut the fuck up..

[Lance_Uppercut]

With that young ass homer simpson avatar you must be a complete clown..odh was at 140 less then 10 years ago...I was out there smacking clowns like you around that time..I was a pure knucklehead late 80s early 90s...you dont know who the fuck you are talking to...or the kind of breed of person you are smacking off at your gums(literally) with..go put those dentures back in your chops and shut the fuck up..

:lol:
Yeah, no shit he was at 140 over ten years ago. What does that have to do with what I said? Like, NOTHING?

If what you say is true....you SERIOUSLY need to get an education. YOu have no ablity to make a snetance, and you haven;t tackeled anything from my post, aside from make a stupi comment on my Homer avatar. It's a hell of a lot better then Rosie fuckin Perez and her oversized mouth.

And BTW, I'm 35. Won't need dentures for another 20+ years. If I need em, I'll get em. That's what smart people do. You'll still be some uneducated shit talker reliving the days when you were a *AHEM* knucklehead..:patsch

[Silver]

de la hoya wasnt a top 10 p4p so those of you who claim he isnt elite are right but he was still pretty good at 154. dlh hasnt been in that many wars.

[Lance_Uppercut]

de la hoya wasnt a top 10 p4p so those of you who claim he isnt elite are right but he was still pretty good at 154. dlh hasnt been in that many wars.

That's true. My only beef is with those who say DLH got better or is the same fighter he used to be.

[Silver]

That's true. My only beef is with those who say DLH got better or is the same fighter he used to be.yeah, you got these nuthuggers claiming all type of shit. there is a reason why dlh fought mayweather flat footed. he didnt have that same footspeed he use to have. imo, prime hoya beats him but mayweathe's victory over the version he faced was still impressive considering the size difference.

[Jose FM]

I agree Oscar is by no means shot. IMO he'll beat anyone at 154 except Spinks and possibly anyone at 147. He still has a good jab, speed, and a good boxing IQ. Not to mention he would be the favorite over anyone at 147 except Mosley or PBF.
Of course you would say this cause it just make your lil floyd look better, but lets face it if they were the same age Oscar whoops his ass real bad.

[Jose FM]

That's true. My only beef is with those who say DLH got better or is the same fighter he used to be.
Those would be the DLH haters and we know there are plenty of those up in here.

[Pimp C]

Of course you would say this cause it just make your lil floyd look better, but lets face it if they were the same age Oscar whoops his ass real bad.
Look I say it because it's true. Oscar isn't shot like Castillo he can still compete with the best. How I feel about PBF is irrelevant.

[BewareofDawg]

People who think DLH is still elite must not have seen him fight till the past couple years...
who at 154lbs and under would you favor over him? I would favor Shane and Winky if he comes back down...thats it.

[Jose FM]

Look I say it because it's true. Oscar isn't shot like Castillo he can still compete with the best. How I feel about PBF is irrelevant.
Yeah but hes no where near where he was at Floyds age (in his prime), so its a diminished DLH.

[paulfv]

There are a number of reasons PBF chose to fight ODLH. Chief among them were: DLH's age (34?), DLH's tendency to fade in the later rounds of a fight, and DLH's drawing power.

If DLH doesn't fade, he wins the fight no problem. But DLH faded - as he always does - and PBF got the scorecards' victory.

But if PBF faces a guy who can pin him on the ropes like DLH did and who doesn't fade, yes, PBF is beatable. At 147 (not 140), I don't think Hatton is going to be that guy.

[Thread Stealer]

Everybody looks beatable at times because everybody is beatable. Floyd is no exception.

Those who never lost or only lost after their prime...it could've been very different with a couple different judges, different circumstances, different era.

[Toopretty]

ODH was not that good of a fighter in his prime. He had a big punch which was the left hook. If he did not land it, he did not win. You take floyd at 140 and ODH at 140 ODH would lose no question. The same mut principal this guy or that guy would beat whomever in his prime is bullshit. ODH is 34 Floyd is 30. Hatton was 26 Tsyu was 36. That is a huge age difference. ODH/Floyd is not that far apart..Man haters come up with some str8 up crazy nonsense. ODH could not even beat an Old whitaker in his prime. He tried to box more and would of got beaten more easily.

[jimmie]

Oscar hasnt had a real good victory in 5 years so im having a hard time still considering him elite p4p but elite 154 for sure.

[the_what]

Mayweather didnt look beatable at all. He dominated the fight in my opinion. Fight was 8 to 4 for Mayweather.

[PATSYS]

Some ppl in here like to beleive that since floyd had trouble with oscar in the first 8 rounds, he looked beatable, what you ppl seem to forget is that even tho DLH is no longer his younger self, hes a very good fighter and still an Elite one, when he did hit floyd with his left jab and was being able to block PBF's shot with is glove, it had nothing to do with floyd being beatable, it was oscar who caused problem, Floyd had trouble hitting him clean cause oscar had his hands high and was ready to counter at anytime, while being a bit slower, he had the nice timing till he gased out,

Some of u seem to think oscar is shot or something, I would make him the favorite over the younger guys like Cotto and Hatton, u can call me a fool I dont care, from what I saw, Oscar is still a good fighter and Mayweather is in no way more beatable then he was a year ago.

So, you are saying PBF is unbeatable?

[PATSYS]

No man is unbeatable, any given person can lose on any given night, but there was never a time when Oscar De La Hoya could beat Floyd:good

I agree that DLH was not a shot fighter when he fought PBF.

But the peak prime DLH (who fought Tito/Chavez) would have beaten PBF at 147.

[KO Boxing]

Floyd looked beatable against DLH?

One simple word: No.