Scoring @ Pan-American Games...

[Jose FM]

Are deeply deeply flawed... Not only do they miss certain shots, but they also dont count body shots, i saw some vicious bodyshots land and still no points. The Karl Dargan (US) - Johnathan Gonzalez Ortiz (PR) was a disgrace, the points were totally misscored for the American during the last two rounds. I just dont understand what these people are looking at. Does anyone have any knowledge how they score this garbage?

[ydnam2]

Man was just watching it down here in PR and the judging is as garbage as it can be. I actually don't know how they score it but its a disgrace. Jonnathan only scored 4 points during the first round. During the next 3 rounds not even a point was scored in his favor. That is just IMPOSSIBLE.

[Jose FM]

Abner Cotto Silver!

[KillerInstinct]

Are deeply deeply flawed... Not only do they miss certain shots, but they also dont count body shots, i saw some vicious bodyshots land and still no points. The Karl Dargan (US) - Johnathan Gonzalez Ortiz (PR) was a disgrace, the points were totally misscored for the American during the last two rounds. I just dont understand what these people are looking at. Does anyone have any knowledge how they score this garbage?

I was JUST ABOUT to make a thread about the Karl Dagan fight..that was indeed a FUCKING disgrace. I want to see American success in amateur boxing, but they rewarded him that win. Gonzalez deserved that fight..he was literally beating the hell out of Dagan who was friggn' running the last minute and whenever Dagan would fling out the jab, they would give him a point. Then I see the Puerto Rican landing clean shots to the body the entire fight and even snapping Dagan's head back with head shots and get rewarded with no points the last 3 rounds!! Fucking horrible... I've seen it a lot too, they do NOT reward body punches and I think that's just pure BS.

[Jose FM]

Man was just watching it down here in PR and the judging is as garbage as it can be. I actually don't know how they score it but its a disgrace. Jonnathan only scored 4 points during the first round. During the next 3 rounds not even a point was scored in his favor. That is just IMPOSSIBLE.
Yeah man definately!:patsch

[nervousxtian]

Been flawed for a long long time.

[Jose FM]

Emilio Correa looks legit!

[CASH_718]

Is Danny Jacobs fighting for the US?

[Jose FM]

Umm dunno but know that the Cuban Middleweight knocked out the American MW.

[PolishPummler]

Amatuer and Olympic scoring has always sucked.

[NBT]

Does anyone have any knowledge how they score this garbage?
Awarding of Points
A. Directives. In awarding points, the following directives shall be observed:
1. Concerning Hits.
a. Scoring Hits. During each round, a Judge shall assess the respective
scores of each boxer according to the number of hits obtained by each.
Each hit to have scoring value must, without being blocked or guarded,
land directly with the knuckle part of the closed glove of either hand on
any part of the front or sides of the head or body above the belt. Swings
landing as above described are scoring hits. The value of hits scored in
a rally of infighting shall be assessed at the end of such rally and shall
be credited to the boxer who has had the better of the exchanges
according to the degree of his superiority; and
22
b. Non-scoring Hits. Non-scoring hits are hits which are struck by a boxer:
1) while infringing any of the Rules;
2) with the side, the back, the inside of the glove or with the open
glove or any part other than the knuckle part of the closed glove;
3) which land on the arms; or
4) which merely connect, without the weight of the body or shoulder.
2. Concerning Fouls.
Referee Warning. If the Referee warns one of the competitors, the Judges
may award two points to the other competitor by pressing the appropriate
button on the pad of CSS.
3. Concerning the Awarding of Points.
a. Points Determination. The awarding of points shall follow the principles:
one point for every correct hit;
b. End of a Contest. If, at the end of a contest a Judge is informed that the
boxers are equal in points, he shall award the decision to the boxer:
1) Who has done most of the leading off or who has shown the better
style; or if equal in that respect,
2) Who has shown the better defence (blocking, parrying, ducking,
side-stepping, etc.) by which the opponent’s attacks have been
made to miss.
A winner must be nominated in all Tournaments. In Dual Matches, a
draw decision may be awarded; and
c. Knock-downs. No extra points shall be awarded for knock-down.
4. CSS – the scoring system and its associated equipment is named after its
inventor, Prof. Anwar Chowdhry, as the ”Chowdhry Scoring System” (CSS).
a. The CSS shall be used in all International competitions and the
following provisions shall apply:
1) With the CSS, the points decision is made up of the correct hits and
all other information each Judge feeds into the computer by
pressing the respective button;
2) On the basis of the correct hits and all other information recorded
the final result is calculated automatically, the fundamental principle
being that only such blows are recorded for the final result that have
been fed in simultaneously by at least three of the five Judges;
3) In the CSS, a deduction of two points (equivalent to two scoring
blows) is made for a warning;
23
4) The winner on points shall be determined on the basis of the total
number of correct hits scored during the four rounds. They are not
converted into scoring points. The boxer having scored the most
correct hits shall be declared the winner; and
5) Apart from the combined final result (the total of all blows that have
been recorded simultaneously by at least three Judges) the
individual score of each of the five Judges shall be kept. If, at the
end of a bout, both competitors have scored an equal number of
blows in the combined score, the boxer having scored the most hits
in the three individual Judges’ scores that remain when deleting the
highest and the lowest score, shall be declared the winner. If these
are equal, too, the five Judges shall be required to award the
decision in accordance with Rule XVII, Paragraph 3.b., by pressing
the respective button.
b. In case the CSS is being used, no Judges’ score sheets shall be kept.
All information required for making up the decision is recorded by the
computer and, at the end of the contest, printed out automatically;
c. If the CSS becomes defective, the procedure shall be as follows:
1) The President of the Jury shall stop the bout for one minute. If
during that period the damage can not be repaired, the bout shall
continue. In accordance with Rule XI (Jury), Paragraph B.1, the
decision scored by the five Jury members shall be regarded as the
official verdict; and
2) If the CSS cannot be repaired, the Jury has the right to decide that
in the following bouts Rule XVII, Paragraph 1, 2 and 3 be applied.
d. In AIBA Championships and Olympic Games, the CSS shall be
operated by persons selected by AIBA;
e. In all AIBA World Championships and in all Continental Championships,
the CSS must comply with current AIBA specifications;
f. The review camera is an integral part of the CSS; and
g. If CSS is not available, the scoring Jury or Judge shall use a hand held
scoring calculator or clicker device. At the end of the bout, each Jury
member or Judge will write his score and sign the appropriate form.

[SavonSolis]

I'd like to point out, that even with the lose of a 2x Olympic Champion and a World Champion.. Cuba walks away with 5/11 Gold medals. Some slip ups, but expect all 11 Cubans to qualify for the Olympics at the World Championships later this year.

[Jose FM]

Nbt, thanks for that, still retarded.

[Orishaman]

The issue is simple, international cometitions that are scored by judges, the judges are nothing but parcial to their countries and even more to money....Boxing is no different to figure skating, gymnastics or any other judge oriented sport unfortunately....it really doesn't matter ...they all know the rules but even more important to them is the all mighty dollar...

[ripcity]

Amatuer and Olympic scoring has always sucked.
:good :good :good :good :good :good :good