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Marc
06-20-2007, 05:50 PM
i lay my vote down on vargas. in his prime he was a monster until he ran into a brick wall named tito, and well, dlh.

skills wise they are very much alike.. both are methodical stalkers. but i think prime vargas was more talented. he was just unlucky that he was rushed early in his career against the very elite. cotto is fortunate tito aint around and his management is wiser in the sense that they are taking things slow.
brooklyn1550
06-20-2007, 05:51 PM
Vargas
Ramshall1
06-20-2007, 05:56 PM
too early to tell on Cotto IMO.

Prime Vargas was a throwback type of fighter, he woulda fit right in with fighters in the 50's and 60's.
fatdrunkenslob
06-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Cotto could be the next Vargas if he takes a prolonged beating at the hands of the welterweight elite.
Jack
06-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Vargas easily. He was technically sound, good power, good chin - Seriously, he was brilliant fighter. It's a shame his prime was too soon and too short.

Cotto is 'good'. Still needs to prove himself though. Right now, he doesn't coem close to Vargas.
brooklyn1550
06-20-2007, 06:00 PM
Cotto could be the next Vargas if he takes a prolonged beating at the hands of the welterweight elite.

I was thinking about that just the other day
Nawfal
06-20-2007, 06:01 PM
i was never too keen on vargas
Marc
06-20-2007, 06:02 PM
i was never too keen on vargas

so are a lot of people on cotto.
fatdrunkenslob
06-20-2007, 08:48 PM
Vargas easily. He was technically sound, good power, good chin - Seriously, he was brilliant fighter. It's a shame his prime was too soon and too short.

Cotto is 'good'. Still needs to prove himself though. Right now, he doesn't coem close to Vargas.

Let's hope Cotto doesn't end up as Vargas did at such a young age. His next few fights will answer a lot of questions.
jimmie
06-20-2007, 08:53 PM
Vargas best win was a clear victory over a arguablly unbeaten Ike Quartey who Vargas actually outjabbed. Cottos best win is a win over of Zab Judah coming off 2 losses and low blowed him twice badly when he was losing.
unloco
03-13-2012, 02:24 AM
cotto:bbb
Phat_Ass_Dude
03-13-2012, 02:34 AM
Hard to say....But Prime Vargas vs Prime Cotto would have been PPV WORTHY.:bbb
VX.Nefarious
03-13-2012, 04:33 AM
Vargas, fought prime Wright and Ike, Cotto's best wins Mosley and Zab, prime for prime Vargas by KO at 154
jose830
03-13-2012, 06:07 AM
I'm going with Cotto,
Vargas fought Tito too early but that's how boxing should be putting good fighters too fight good PPV money spent, now and days too much cherry picking, Trinidad vs Vargas one of best fights I've seen.
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Cotto vs Vargas had a good ring too it...
Photoshop worthy? Hmmmm...
Zopilote
03-13-2012, 08:21 AM
Vargas.
SJS19
03-13-2012, 08:23 AM
I was reading the comments and thinking it was some sort of retard convention, then I saw it was 2007 :lol:
Relentless
03-13-2012, 08:38 AM
Hard to say....But Prime Vargas vs Prime Cotto would have been PPV WORTHY.:bbb

no it wouldn't you stupid fuck prime cotto was at 147 and vargas at 154. vargas was bigger stronger and faster than margarito.
Caper
03-13-2012, 10:01 AM
no it wouldn't you stupid fuck prime cotto was at 147 and vargas at 154. vargas was bigger stronger and faster than margarito.

I would have loved this fight to happen around the 150lbs mark. I agree Vargas is a better version of Margo but he would apply less pressure and Vargas did nothing spectacular he had solid all around skills good fundementals and good power an average chin with a high threshold for pain. Extremely similar to Cotto except for all the shit Cotto gets for being "slow" he was probably faster than Vargas though Vargas was clearly the bigger man. It would have been an excellent fight for sure.
Bogotazo
03-13-2012, 10:38 AM
Vargas best win was a clear victory over a arguablly unbeaten Ike Quartey who Vargas actually outjabbed. Cottos best win is a win over of Zab Judah coming off 2 losses and low blowed him twice badly when he was losing.

Ever hear of Shane Mosley?

I'd say H2H, Vargas might have been the more all around dangerous fighter, but I think Cotto is more accomplished at this stage.

EDIT:

I was reading the comments and thinking it was some sort of retard convention, then I saw it was 2007 :lol:

:lol::patsch My bad. Still an interesting question.
RealBoxing
03-13-2012, 11:43 AM
Vargas
reed_man02
03-13-2012, 11:50 AM
I would have loved this fight to happen around the 150lbs mark. I agree Vargas is a better version of Margo but he would apply less pressure and Vargas did nothing spectacular he had solid all around skills good fundementals and good power an average chin with a high threshold for pain. Extremely similar to Cotto except for all the shit Cotto gets for being "slow" he was probably faster than Vargas though Vargas was clearly the bigger man. It would have been an excellent fight for sure.

Vargas would never get on his bike though. I think Vargas would KO Cotto at 154 but that's not Cotto's prime weight. P4P I think Vargas is still better.
FilipMNE
03-13-2012, 12:01 PM
Prime Vargas and i feel he was to young to face Tito when he did, but props to him for not ducking Tito!
Zopilote
03-13-2012, 12:06 PM
Prime Vargas and i feel he was to young to face Tito when he did, but props to him for not ducking Tito!


He was very young, and still gave Tito all he could handle.

Cotto wouldn't have lasted very long against Tito.
Caper
03-13-2012, 12:18 PM
Vargas would never get on his bike though. I think Vargas would KO Cotto at 154 but that's not Cotto's prime weight. P4P I think Vargas is still better.

That's a fair assessment though if Vargas would have utilized that imaginary bike after tasting Tito's power he might have outboxed him? p4p its hard to say, I actually think Cotto's more versitile while Vargas had the better tools. They are very comprable.
Heavy Handed
03-13-2012, 12:47 PM
Does Cotto get to roid up as well? Maybe Cotto would have been a harder hitter on roids.
El_Caballero
03-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Cotto
Revolver
03-13-2012, 03:39 PM
Vargas was a joke.
Kampioni
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Cotto
FinalBELL
03-13-2012, 05:04 PM
Does Cotto get to roid up as well? Maybe Cotto would have been a harder hitter on roids.

THIS^! Cotto took his only two beatings like a man and avenged one.
He did not have to bulk up on roids and act like a thug to make his mark as a great fighter. Cotto has fought some ATG's in his career and has had the longevity to battle through wins and loses.

Even though I believe Cotto will go down historically as the more accomplished and better of the two, I also believe Vargas beats Cotto if they ever would have fought. Vargas has that relentless, iron willed, power punching style that matches up badly for Cotto.