Anyone see Kenny Egan in the final? Robbed

[Healy]

Disgusted...can't even sum it up. The Chinese lad was getting points for near nothing and Kenny couldn't get a point if he paid for it

Gutted...weve being robbed by the Chinese

Discuss lads,

[BigEars]

My post on another forum:

Just over a second after the Chinese fighter got his first point I knew what was happening here. Egan landed a lovely left uppercut straight afterwards and there was no score.

Even in the short replays they showed on RTÉ, they only showed 3 but one clearly hit the gloves, another was landed with the palm and not even powerfully and the final the second one they showed looked like a bit of a slap aswell.

They then showed a short clip where Egan should of been awarded 3/4 points and got none.

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Just thought it was relevant to post that again.


Btw China isn't really a proper communist country, they allow fighters to turn pro. There has been 15 pro cards in China this year. There has been 93 active Chinese fighters that have fought in the last year.

But Xiaoping probably won't turn pro, it's an odd thing but in many of the Asian countries their good amateurs stay amateur. Even in Thailand who always has a lot of World Champions in the lower weights.

Xiaoping will never win another Olympics and he'll never win a World Championships(outside of China), he's not a bad fighter but he's just not good enough to do it.

[cockney wankers]

What do you expect? At least all boxers will be treated fairly in London 2012. I suspect that the judges will retire later today to a room full of Chinnky concubines and lashings of whisky

[MrSmall]

That chinese 81kg'er was robbing people from the start, he should have literally been out in round 1.

[brown bomber]

Some little brown envelopes were found under the ring apparently!!

[doggyland]

The tall Chinaman had one punch - that big right..Egan got caught a couple of times with it - but that was all...Egan caught him many times that were not scored...Body shots totally overlooked.



Well frustrating!

[Cobbler]

At least all boxers will be treated fairly in London 2012.

Never been any dodgy scoring in a fight in the UK ever, if I recall correctly....

[nutter]

The scoring was a complete joke, Egan should feel hard done by:fire

[Claypole]

This was no robbery, I've seen far worse in previous Olympics. Favouring the host nation has been standard fare in both Olympic boxing and pro boxing.
Even if there is no genuine corruption, judges will always be influenced in some way or another, whether it be superior "hospitality" or simple crowd pressure.
With regard to Kenny Egan, yes he was judged harshly, whilst his opponent was judged favourably. The scores should have been closer, but to claim robbery is a bit over the top.

[dwilson]

No robbery. The bout should have been closer but the result was ok. Shame for Egan to lose, hopefully he will make an half decent pro now.

[riggers]

I don't see Egan doing much as a pro, he will go the same route as Carruth i expect.

[GazOC]

Egans fight is coming up on Interactive for those interested.

[GazOC]

That wasn't a robbery.

[hitman_hatton1]

That wasn't a robbery.

i also didn't think it was a robbery.

i agree egan should have had more pts than he got though.

egan paid for that slow start.

the ch1nk deffo deserved rd 1.

[GazOC]

Yep, there was a couple of shots in the 4th that should have scored but I thought the Chinese lad did enough to win. The BBC commentary was a little biased towards Egan, the scoring was nowhere near as bad as they were making out.

[slapsSOgood]

I find it pretty amazing that favouritism can pervade through the olympics. this aint the fucking eurovision song contest, its the biggest sporting event in the world. it taints it really, ans I will eat my hat if china get their fucking 33 golds or whatever it is in London.

[Healy]

GazOc, so Egan NOT getting about 5-6 points or more and the Chinese lad GETTING at least 3-4 phantom points isn't a robbery?

Fucking hell

Despite Kenny being very slow for some of the fight you need to watch it again i think, he landed many times without reward and the Chinese was quote 'shadow boxing' and getting points for it

I dunno

[TFFP]

I havn't seen it, but I'll assume he was robbed on the basis Chinese people can't box.

[BigEars]

Scoring shots are classified as hitting with the white part of the glove AND with enough force.

It's good you brought that up because I saw 3 punches scored for the Chinese fighter in replays after the fight which didn't meet this criteria and another two during it.

While in a 10 second replay I saw 4 shots that should of scored for Egan as they did meet the criteria.

Punches must also hit the target area, not the other fighter glove(which resulted in +1 for Xiaoping)

[dwilson]

Saw a couple of the chin chon chinamans punches land but not count. Fair result.

[mike464]

I had no problem with the result. Jim Neilly had obviously decided before the fight started that it was going to be a robbery and commentated accordingly. There was a point when Jim shouted "What about that one?" when it didn't seem a punch had even been thrown, let alone landed. Also, the Chinaman landed a fair few punches that weren't scored but that idiot Neilly didn't complain then.

[SleazeNation]

Looks like the only people calling robbery are the Irish. :huh

I've seen bad decisions and I've seen robberies, this was neither.

[brown bomber]

Looks like the only people calling robbery are the Irish. :huh

I've seen bad decisions and I've seen robberies, this was neither.:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

[Betty Swollocks]

I thought it was a robbery. At some points in the 4th Egan landed sweet punches and the point went to the other way, that's a 2 point swing and it happened more than once. Nothing new, it was happening all 2 weeks.

[nicofly]

I stayed up to watch the fight (working nightshifts) it was an absolute joke. How many times did Egan catch him with a punch and the chinese fella scored??
He must have landed at least 5 good body shots that didnt score and picked up at least 5 points in the last round but only scored 1.

He was also very gracious in defeat when interviewed by BBC not slating anyone or blaming anyone, just took it on the chin knowing fine well he had been robbed.

[Benjiabc]

i thought it was a robery to be honest, egan landed some lovely shots that should of scored, noticeably the left uppercut, half expected it from the chinese

[nicofly]

i also didn't think it was a robbery.

i agree egan should have had more pts than he got though.

egan paid for that slow start.

the ch1nk deffo deserved rd 1.

Were you watching the same fight :huh

[riggers]

It was a poor performance, not a robbery

[Benjiabc]

if anyone says that fight was not a robbery and was scored properly they need to seriously realise what they are doing on a boxing forum because some of the scoring in that fight was shocking

[geppy]

Zhang lost 3 fights in the Olympics.

Beterbiev supposedly landed zero punches over the last 3 rounds against Zhang and lost, when you could see many punches landing. The judges will not count punches against Zhang.The judges are fucking scum.

The Irish have my regards, the only chance Eagan had was to win by KO. But the Chinese faggot holds every two seconds, and jumps to the ground to avoid getting hit.

[nicofly]

if anyone says that fight was not a robbery and was scored properly they need to seriously realise what they are doing on a boxing forum because some of the scoring in that fight was shocking

+1

[Mantequilla]

The all-time standard for hometown judging still goes to The Americans in LA.

I didn't think it was too bad an olympics overall for the judging.

[dwilson]

It seems that we are pretty split on here about the result so I cannot see how people can call it a robbery.

[GazOC]

if anyone says that fight was not a robbery and was scored properly they need to seriously realise what they are doing on a boxing forum because some of the scoring in that fight was shocking

Right. Sorry. I apologize.:roll:

I'm sorry if Healy isn't getting the response he wanted from this thread but the very fact there is a fair bit of disagreement over the result tells you it probably wasn't a 'robbery'. There were a few points not scored for Egan but there was also a few for the Chinese fighter that didn't register, they also hadn't been scoring for body shots for most the The Games so why complain about that now?

Jim Neilly had his 'conspiracy' head on from the first bell and was determined to call the fight in a way to proved himself correct. He never once mentioned the shots the Chinese lad should have scored but didn't get but managed to point out aleast one that Egan didn't even land a punch.

[Benjiabc]

Right. Sorry. I apologize.:roll:

I'm sorry if Healy isn't getting the response he wanted from this thread but the very fact there is a fair bit of disagreement over the result tells you it probably wasn't a 'robbery'. There were a few points not scored for Egan but there was also a few for the Chinese fighter that didn't register, they also hadn't been scoring for body shots for most the The Games so why complain about that now?

Jim Neilly had his 'conspiracy' head on from the first bell and was determined to call the fight in a way to proved himself correct. He never once mentioned the shots the Chinese lad should have scored but didn't get but managed to point out aleast one that Egan didn't even land a punch.


fair does, i went over the top im sure, but i felt strongly throughout the olympics that the judges were biased towards the chinese, the young lad murray, when he thought a chinese lad he landed several times and also didnt score, its hard to accept it was a robbery because had egan had his points scored, the fight could have still gone to the chinese and would have been close, but 11-7 too me was an appauling decision

[Healy]

It seems that we are pretty split on here about the result so I cannot see how people can call it a robbery.
Your anti Irish and thats always being the way so your opinion on this topic isn't valid:good

[mofo2]

He was definitely not scored on some good shots,but the Chinese lad was not scored on a couple of good shots himself...It was a tight one this Egan did the pressing and got caught out for it.....bad scoring right result

[Healy]

Right. Sorry. I apologize.:roll:

I'm sorry if Healy isn't getting the response he wanted from this thread but the very fact there is a fair bit of disagreement over the result tells you it probably wasn't a 'robbery'. There were a few points not scored for Egan but there was also a few for the Chinese fighter that didn't register, they also hadn't been scoring for body shots for most the The Games so why complain about that now?

Jim Neilly had his 'conspiracy' head on from the first bell and was determined to call the fight in a way to proved himself correct. He never once mentioned the shots the Chinese lad should have scored but didn't get but managed to point out aleast one that Egan didn't even land a punch.
If a Great Britain fighter got that decision there would be uproar in this forum and you know it, lets not beat around the bush here. If that happened one of your own you would feel hard done by!

I walked out of the room for 20 seconds in the 4th because of the way the Chinese lad got point, my stomach couldnt bear that shite any longer!

Its nothing to do with body shots either, everyone knows they dont score!

Ch!nk- gets 5 points that he didnt deserve
Egan- doesnt get 4-5 points he did deserve

When you Gaz, Wilson and Sleaze Nation are the main 3 saying it was a good decision well it doesnt surprise me, but i can imagine were it to happen to say Frankie Gavin against a Chinese, all hell would break loose here!

[GazOC]

I think you're right that 11-7 was too wide but given that body shots don't seem to count (I know its wrong but thats the way it seems to be) I thought that Egan could have had an extra point in the 3rd and an extra 2 in the 4th but the Chinese lad missed out on one in both the 2nd and the 3rd rounds (going from memory). It was a close fight but not a robbery IMHO.

[GazOC]

If a Great Britain fighter got that decision there would be uproar in this forum and you know it, lets not beat around the bush here. If that happened one of your own you would feel hard done by!

I walked out of the room for 20 seconds in the 4th because of the way the Chinese lad got point, my stomach couldnt bear that shite any longer!

Its nothing to do with body shots either, everyone knows they dont score!

Ch!nk- gets 5 points that he didnt deserve
Egan- doesnt get 4-5 points he did deserve

When you Gaz, Wilson and Sleaze Nation are the main 3 saying it was a good decision well it doesnt surprise me, but i can imagine were it to happen to say Frankie Gavin against a Chinese, all hell would break loose here!

Oh, come it with the put upon Celt. If that was a GB fighter the most I'd have said is that I thought the won a close decision but didn't get it. It was just one of those fights and def. not a robbery.

I've no axe to grind against Egan, I wanted the lad to win but he didn't. Sorry.

[nicofly]

The all-time standard for hometown judging still goes to The Americans in LA.

I didn't think it was too bad an olympics overall for the judging.


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[Healy]

I think you're right that 11-7 was too wide but given that body shots don't seem to count (I know its wrong but thats the way it seems to be) I thought that Egan could have had an extra point in the 3rd and an extra 2 in the 4th but the Chinese lad missed out on one in both the 2nd and the 3rd rounds (going from memory). It was a close fight but not a robbery IMHO.
Id have to watch it again also, although il probably put my fist through the screen!

We all know body shots dont count so may aswell not complain there!

Il have to watch it again, if my opinion changes il say so!

The second point the Chinese lad got still sticks out in my mind, should have went Egans ways

[Healy]

Oh, come it with the put upon Celt. If that was a GB fighter the most I'd have said is that I thought the won a close decision but didn't get it. It was just one of those fights and def. not a robbery.

I've no axe to grind against Egan, I wanted the lad to win but he didn't. Sorry.
Lets find a link and both watch it again, fuck il even bring popcorn and the slow motion controller button thingy...

:good

[Claypole]

GazOC is right. The judging for these Games was better than usual, with few "iffy" decisions. This was not one of them, and Jim Neilly commentated like a complete tit.

From a completely neutral point of view I would say the Chinese fighter just about nicked it. The scores may not reflect exactly what happened, but the right man won.

[mofo2]

GazOC is right. The judging for these Games was better than usual, with few "iffy" decisions. This was not one of them, and Jim Neilly commentated like a complete tit.

From a completely neutral point of view I would say the Chinese fighter just about nicked it. The scores may not reflect exactly what happened, but the right man won.
I totally agree...the implication is that this fight was so one sided a travesty had taken place,but that is so wrong!

[Healy]

I totally agree...the implication is that this fight was so one sided a travesty had taken place,but that is so wrong!
What about when Egan lands a punch, the Chinese doesnt and the Chinese gets the score, happened 3 times

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[Healy]

can the UK lads get onto this link

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fight in full

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[Benjiabc]

in a different sport, whilst we are on the subject of judging, anyone see the taekwondo? when the british girl landed as blatent a head shot as you will ever see and it wasnt scored?

[Claypole]

I totally agree...the implication is that this fight was so one sided a travesty had taken place,but that is so wrong!If it was a case of judges getting it wrong, then why wasn't an official protest lodged? That's exactly what happened in the Taekwondo, and the protest was upheld.

Kenny Egan didn't make such a big deal over it.

[Claypole]

What about when Egan lands a punch, the Chinese doesnt and the Chinese gets the score, happened 3 times

?Yes, that happened, but I've seen it happen all the time since the new scoring system came in. I reckon they simply push the wrong button by mistake.

[mofo2]

What about when Egan lands a punch, the Chinese doesnt and the Chinese gets the score, happened 3 times

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Healy i'm just across the water from ya and was really wanting the lad to win,but although I was pissed off with the scoring I still think the overall result was right if not the marking, and ive watched it twice.

[mofo2]

If it was a case of judges getting it wrong, then why wasn't an official protest lodged? That's exactly what happened in the Taekwondo, and the protest was upheld.

Kenny Egan didn't make such a big deal over it.
I agree...it was a closer one tho!

[Healy]

Healy i'm just across the water from ya and was really wanting the lad to win,but although I was pissed off with the scoring I still think the overall result was right if not the marking, and ive watched it twice.
Im watching it a second time, have it after one round 1-0 to the Chinese instead of 2-0 like the judges

Egan landed nothing in the first worth a point

[mofo2]

Im watching it a second time, have it after one round 1-0 to the Chinese instead of 2-0 like the judges

Egan landed nothing in the first worth a point
I'll check the fight out through your link again...

[mofo2]

The link is only available to watch in Ireland lol

[Healy]

Second round
Egan 4-3 up not 5-3 down

Ok i have to stop this shite and turn it off, over halfway gone in the 3rd, i have Egan 6-4 up, the system have Chinese lad 6-5 up

I just watched what got scored for the Ch!nk as his 7th point 3 times and thats it...had enough, call me what you want, robbery is my cry

Anyone that doesnt believe me, just watch the 3rd round and that 7th point for the Ch!nk especially!

[Healy]

The link is only available to watch in Ireland lol
Bias cunts we are!!:D

[Healy]

Im off to town, couldnt give a fuck, Egans not going to do anything as a pro, his shot was today. He didnt perform, still did enough but thats life

I dont want to see or hear a china man for the next while usless im collecting a takeaway

Im out

[mofo2]

Bias cunts we are!!:D
Haha
It does your head in when one of your own get beat in shady circumstances,so I know where your at lol

[Bluenose]

Off topic but is this lad any relation to Joe Egan. (Mike Tyson's old sparring partner and a pretty good amateur in his day)

[BamBam]

No he's not AFAIK. His brother Willie was a decent AM. Anyway, without getting into it too much, I've watched the fight 5 times. When I watched it live I was disappointed as an Irishman and as a boxing fan. I didn't think 'total stitch up' but I did think 'heavy bias'.

I then had a second look after all the talk of a robbery. My feelings were pretty much the same.

I work as a journalist and I always do my best to be objective when watching fights I'm paid to cover. I've since watched the fight a further 3 times. Taking off the Irish goggles, the Egan goggles, the indignation goggles. I think Egan won the fight by 6 points. I'll give a bit of leeway for the judges because I've had the benefit of hindsight but there is still a discrepancy in the judging to what actually happend.

The judges were just quicker to score the Chinese lad a point than they were Egan.
Was it a mass conspiracy. No. Was it a fair fight regarding judging. No.

It's not an out and out robbery but it's not as easy as saying it was all impartially judged either.

At a guess I would say the judges spent more time watching the shots the Chinese threw and waiting for them to land (or come close to) so they could score them than they did watching the fight as neutral observers

Fair play to Kenny (who I have always found to be a very honest and likeable bloke) for showing a wee bit of class when it would have easy to be carried away and accuse people of a stitch up. He's said he accepts the decision wholly but that he is still sick about what happend. Fair play to him because I know I'd find it hard to be that magnanimous in defeat in an Olympic final under those circumstances