Time for Wlad Klitchko to go after the WBA strap?

[11player]

What do you guys think?

IMO, this is the right time for Wlad to add the WBA belt. Chagaev, who's been avoiding him, is out of the way till May and Valuev (or Ruiz) could be trully interested in taking the fight if a big offer comes.

I believe Povetkin could take some step aside money if he is guaranteed to fight the winner till February or March 2009. He then could pick up a fight with a guy like Krasniqi and make some nice money while waiting.

Wlad vs Valuev is probably the biggest fight that could be made today at HW, it makes sense in every way.

In fact, I believe Wlad may be dragging the negotiations with Povetkin till after the WBA title fight, attempting to do just that.

In this case, Haye would have to wait till the second semester of 2009.

[TRAIN]

povetkin is huge in russia, and wlad v. povetkin is a huge fight in germany and east europe.

personally, i think the WBA belt is going to be stuck in the VAluev, chagaev, ruiz limbo for at least another year, and none of these would be an entertaining fight.

wlad should finish povetkin, and go for haye, there will be a huge hype job for the haye fight, and it looks like the fight the west would be interested in.

[Farmboxer]

Valouev is going to fight Chagaev next weekend, so a fght for the WBA title will not happen for a long time, perhaps never.

[Serenata]

Valouev is going to fight Chagaev next weekend, so a fght for the WBA title will not happen for a long time, perhaps never.

Ruiz, not Chagaev ;)

[Loewe]

Well, if Ruiz beats Valuev he will fight Wlad. Ruiz always wanted to fight the best and won´t back down from this challenge.
I don´t know about Valuev though. His promoter is not really a risk taker and he just renewed the contract with Valuev up to 2011. So, imo this fight is really in jeopardy. I agree it would be the biggest hw fight out there.
Wlad-Chagaev would be very entertaining and I think this fight can be wait. Let´s wait and see what happens.
Imo Wlad should take on Povetkin next, I don´t doubt he will beat him, and then wait which one of the WBA-trio emerges as the winner, and fight Haye in the meantime. I assume he would come out on top when the dust has settled.

[11player]

Thanks for the comments.

I just want to add that Chagaev will be out for at least another 8 months, as the usual minimum recovery time for the injury he sufered is 10 months. He should be ready for a fight from May 2009 on.

I think that the possibility of Wlad fighting for the WBA belt is good because:
- both Valuev and Ruiz are coming close to the end of their careers and Wlad is their best chance for a big payday, if not the last;
- Wlad is very interested in adding the WBA belt and may make huge financial concessions to make this fight happen;
- the chances of Valuev and Ruiz beating Chagaev in a rematch are not good and that fight is not as atractive to the public (so if they have to put the belt at risk, it's better to do it while making the most money);

Playing against the fight is the fact that both are managed by King, who is hated by Wlad and will always try to make fights between his own fighters. Also, Sauerland, who co-promotes Valuev, is known for overprotecting their fighters and will try to go for an easy defense if possible, although they will have to deal with Chagaev soon and that should force their hand.

[kenmore]

I think Vlad has been itching to fight the other champions for a long, long time. Problem is, the managers and promoters of the other champions want nothing to do with Vlad. He's too good.

Sadly, Klitschko may never get a chance to unify the belts.

[KobeIsGod]

What do you guys think?

IMO, this is the right time for Wlad to add the WBA belt. Chagaev, who's been avoiding him, is out of the way till May and Valuev (or Ruiz) could be trully interested in taking the fight if a big offer comes.

I believe Povetkin could take some step aside money if he is guaranteed to fight the winner till February or March 2009. He then could pick up a fight with a guy like Krasniqi and make some nice money while waiting.

Wlad vs Valuev is probably the biggest fight that could be made today at HW, it makes sense in every way.

In fact, I believe Wlad may be dragging the negotiations with Povetkin till after the WBA title fight, attempting to do just that.

In this case, Haye would have to wait till the second semester of 2009.

i completely agree with u. wlad deserves this fight. he has paid his dues more than anyone.

problem is valuev and chagaev have already ducked wladimir. valuev is very non-commital about fighting wlad. he said something like, "oh ill fight him anytime but my goal is to avenge the chagaev loss." he's not too interested in fighting the best. then, u add King into the mix and it creates another set of challenges.

as far as im concerned, chagaev is no longer a beltholder. the winner of valuev-ruiz is the wba titleholder. chagaev is just a mandatory at this point. u can't sit on a belt and fight bums like skelton and call yourself a champ, injuries/sickness or not. he can claim he's the champ all he wants no one is buying.

CHEF who is the personal cook for Wlad said Wlad-Povetkin looks solid for Dec 13 so i think that fight will indeed happen. i mean povetkin is the madatory who has been bitching how he wants wlad. he'd look like an idiot if he backed out.

possible scenrario. beat povetkin, then wlad-valuev in march/april. then wlad can fight the wba madatory chagaev.

and fuck Haye. he's a nobody in the hw division. let vitali end his life once he disposes of the goat herder :yep

[KobeIsGod]

Well, if Ruiz beats Valuev he will fight Wlad. Ruiz always wanted to fight the best and won´t back down from this challenge.
I don´t know about Valuev though. His promoter is not really a risk taker and he just renewed the contract with Valuev up to 2011. So, imo this fight is really in jeopardy. I agree it would be the biggest hw fight out there.
Wlad-Chagaev would be very entertaining and I think this fight can be wait. Let´s wait and see what happens.
Imo Wlad should take on Povetkin next, I don´t doubt he will beat him, and then wait which one of the WBA-trio emerges as the winner, and fight Haye in the meantime. I assume he would come out on top when the dust has settled.

we'll see. wlad would fight ruiz in a heartbeat. ruiz would stand next to zero chance though so im skeptical about ruiz's willingness. wlad is the hw gravy train but he's a monster puncher. you're risking your health a lot more against him than against the soft touches.

and haye is a nobody. the only ones who really want this fight right now are his British nuthuggers. he shouldn't even be on the radar. wlad doesn't give a shit about money. guy makes 8 figures fighting madatories :rofl

unification should be 1st priority.

[11player]

i completely agree with u. wlad deserves this fight. he has paid his dues more than anyone.

problem is valuev and chagaev have already ducked wladimir. valuev is very non-commital about fighting wlad. he said something like, "oh ill fight him anytime but my goal is to avenge the chagaev loss." he's not too interested in fighting the best. then, u add King into the mix and it creates another set of challenges.

as far as im concerned, chagaev is no longer a beltholder. the winner of valuev-ruiz is the wba titleholder. chagaev is just a mandatory at this point. u can't sit on a belt and fight bums like skelton and call yourself a champ, injuries/sickness or not. he can claim he's the champ all he wants no one is buying.

CHEF who is the personal cook for Wlad said Wlad-Povetkin looks solid for Dec 13 so i think that fight will indeed happen. i mean povetkin is the madatory who has been bitching how he wants wlad. he'd look like an idiot if he backed out.

possible scenrario. beat povetkin, then wlad-valuev in march/april. then wlad can fight the wba madatory chagaev.

and fuck Haye. he's a nobody in the hw division. let vitali end his life once he disposes of the goat herder :yep

Hey Kobe, very true man, I agree with everything. Thanks for the inside info on Wlad-Povetkin.

Although I'm bringing that up, the possibility of Wlad getting that WBA strap is slim, we all know about it.

If it happened though, we could be watching Wlad fighting Povetkin, Valuev, Chagaev, Haye all within 15 months or so, it would be quite a run.

I agree Haye is nothing so far, but maybe if he beats a couple of worthy opponents next, as originally planed, then he could solidify his position as a top HW.

[Antsu]

problem is valuev and chagaev have already ducked wladimir. valuev is very non-commital about fighting wlad. he said something like, "oh ill fight him anytime but my goal is to avenge the chagaev loss." he's not too interested in fighting the best. then, u add King into the mix and it creates another set of challenges. When did Chagaev duck Wladimir? He almost instantly singed a unification fight with Sultan, then he was injured and fight was canceled. He fight against Skelton coming back from injury. Then he was injured again before facing Valuev. So when exactly he had time to duck Wladimir?

[Cachibatches]

When did Chagaev duck Wladimir? He almost instantly singed a unification fight with Sultan, then he was injured and fight was canceled. He fight against Skelton coming back from injury. Then he was injured again before facing Valuev. So when exactly he had time to duck Wladimir?
He was not injured. He had a mysterious "illness" that healed itself in a month.

They claimed it was an inflammation. The rumors were that it was hep B.

A theory also came out that Chag is blind in one eye, which would actually explain a lot towards why he does not seem to be the fighter he was in the amatuers.

In any event, there was no injury.

[Antsu]

He was not injured. He had a mysterious "illness" that healed itself in a month.

They claimed it was an inflammation. The rumors were that it was hep B.

A theory also came out that Chag is blind in one eye, which would actually explain a lot towards why he does not seem to be the fighter he was in the amatuers.

In any event, there was no injury.

That would still make him only guilty to ducking Ibramigov not Wladimir, what was my point anyway.

[11player]

Well, there is no way of really knowing if Chagaev was injured at all, so nobody knows if he did duck Ibragimov.

Wlad has expressed his desire several times to fight Chagaev for the WBA belt. He also said, at least a coupe of times, he had offered Chagaev several deals for the fight and was refused.

I wouldn't say Chagaev is ducking Wlad just yet, for that the situation would have to get to a point where the fight with Wlad is the best for Chagaev by far and he still refuses to go for it.

For now Chagaev still has a free pass to milk his title for a little longer.

Valuev is known for looking for soft title defenses. His chances against Chagaev are not that good, but Wlad has to put the right money on the table to make this fight happen. If so, the fight with Wlad will be at least twice more lucrative than against Chagaev with about the same risk, what would qualify as ducking if Valuev still refuses to fight Wlad under this terms.

[dwilson]

I like the sound of Wlad vs Valuev. Wlad may have to actually fighting Valuev instead of trying to do his usual stunt of gropping his way to victory.

[Farmboxer]

All the Haye fans are claiming that Haye would easily knock Valouev out. LOL! No way. Valouev by knockout over diarrhea of the mouth Haye.

[kostya by ko]

It makes sense for Vitali to beat Peter then to go after Valuev.

Have Vitali hold 2 belts (if he can keep from getting injured of course) and have Wlad hold 2 belts.

Should one of them get beat by someone, the other engages in a big unification fight.

Is this scenario at all possible ?

[KobeIsGod]

When did Chagaev duck Wladimir? He almost instantly singed a unification fight with Sultan, then he was injured and fight was canceled. He fight against Skelton coming back from injury. Then he was injured again before facing Valuev. So when exactly he had time to duck Wladimir?

wladimir offered him the fight after chagaev pull out against sultan. he decided to go with skelton as a friggin optional. Sultan was the one who manned up and took it instead :lol:

and i don't want to hear about injuries and sickness. either u fight the best or get out of the way. if u r not healthy enough to fight or compete, u r not worthy of being a "champ" especially when u dont want to fight the best

here are the facts: chagaev has fought 1 time in 16 months since winning the "title" and it was against an undeserving challenger.

im sick of valuev, chagaev and ruiz playing hot potato with the wba belt.

[Mendoza]

What do you guys think?

IMO, this is the right time for Wlad to add the WBA belt. Chagaev, who's been avoiding him, is out of the way till May and Valuev (or Ruiz) could be trully interested in taking the fight if a big offer comes.

I believe Povetkin could take some step aside money if he is guaranteed to fight the winner till February or March 2009. He then could pick up a fight with a guy like Krasniqi and make some nice money while waiting.

Wlad vs Valuev is probably the biggest fight that could be made today at HW, it makes sense in every way.

In fact, I believe Wlad may be dragging the negotiations with Povetkin till after the WBA title fight, attempting to do just that.

In this case, Haye would have to wait till the second semester of 2009.

Wlad should focus on Povetkin first.

Much depends on Vitlai. If he beats Peter, Vitali might fight Valuev next. Or if Vitali wins a belt then retires, Wlad might fight Vlauev next if he beats Povetkin.

As for Haye, he's a joke. He would not even fight Skelton for 500k, or Barrett.