Which Victory Was Better ??????

[George W Hedge]

I think that these 2 victories were both Morales & MABs greatest wins (except vs each other.)

Both Naseem & Pacquiao were stronger punchers & favourite 2 win vs the mexican legends but the mexicans showed their class by putting in a performance for the ages.....

Hamed was undefeated were as Pacquiao wasnt.
Barrera was at his peak were as morales showed signs of wear going into the bout.
Barrera win more rds vs naz than morales did vs pac, although both wins were clear enough.
Pacquiao is & will go down as a better fighter than hamed.
Dont forget Pac destroyed barrera, that was a lot mentally for erik to overcome after the 3rd MAB fight.

Everything considered, I lean towards Morales victory over Pac, also think about this...... I can see Morales beating Naseem of 2001 before I can see Barrera beating the Pac of 2005.

:good

[Danny Ocean]

i can see the barrera who eat naz beating the pac who fought morales

i dont know about better win

[knockout]

Barrera victory over Naseem becuses it showed how well he was boxing.

[Morrissey]

Erik Morales over Pacquiao. Heart, boxing skills, bravado, machismo. Morales showed there he was really a bad-ass.

The moment you have to see in that great fight: Morales shifting to a southpaw stance during the 12th round. Do I need to say more?

[Scar]

Morales vs Pacquiao.

[knockout]

Erik Morales over Pacquiao. Heart, boxing skills, bravado, machismo. Morales showed there he was really a bad-ass.

The moment you have to see in that great fight: Morales shifting to a southpaw stance during the 12th round. Do I need to say more?:clap:

[Boom_Boom]

Barrera/Hamed

Barrera was a 4 to 1 underdog

Morales was just a slight underdog against Pac

[LeedsLad]

Erik Morales over Pacquiao. Heart, boxing skills, bravado, machismo. Morales showed there he was really a bad-ass.

The moment you have to see in that great fight: Morales shifting to a southpaw stance during the 12th round. Do I need to say more?

Couldnt of put it better myself, a true warrior!:good

[George W Hedge]

Barrera/Hamed

Barrera was a 4 to 1 underdog

Morales was just a slight underdog against Pac

That was with the bookies, whats YOUR opinion because Naz wasnt a 4-1 fav in MY mind.

I kinda thought both fights would be really close but with the power of naz & pac + erik looking a bit slower going into the pac fight, I knew it was gonna take a great effort & he delivered.

Both morales & barrera used their superior boxing skills to edge ahead in rds but the big difference was morales traded with pac in spells & beat him his own way too, MAB stayed safe for the most part.... morales says he fights for the people & I believe that 100%.

:good

[Morrissey]

:clap:

Appreciated it.:thumbsup

I can see the MAB victory as OK as well but the manner that EM got this victory was just simply impressive. You can't just trade shots with Pac without giving a lot of room for error, but he showed there his underrated boxing skills, as he masterfully moved in and out of Pac's range to unleashed his jab and his straight righ, plus he never showed frustration and even challenged Pac to a lot of exchanges. I think no one who watched it was disappointed with their performance.

And he was not really favored against Pac, either.

[just-me]

Morales vs Pac by a mile, MAB just outboxed Naz but El Terrible OUTFOUGHT Pacman, which was much more difficult.

Also doubts remain over how great Hamed actually was, whereas few question MP.

[Spitfire7]

MAB-Hamed. The former had put that swashbuckling egotist out into oblivion for good. That alone has the boxing world eternally indebted to MAB.:yep

[brooklyn1550]

Barrera-Hamed

[Rock0052]

MAB-Hamed. The former had put out that swashbuckling egotist out into oblivion for good. That alone has the boxing world eternally indebted to MAB.:yep

Let's not forget that light weight fighters today are also indebted to Hamed for raising the awareness (and more importantly, the purses) for smaller fighters in general. Even though he was a jackass, he was good for the sport :good

[BodyBlaster]

Excellent question.
Barrera was awesome, in that he won pretty much every round IMO, and gave a boxing lesson to NAZ.

In fact, he opened NAZ's who career open to question, so definitive was the victory. By that I mean, did Naz just look great bowling over, overmatched opponents??

Morales victory to me was also magnificent, kind of the last hurrah of an aging warrior, and a genuine victory over an ATG.

Id have to pick Morales, as we know beyond question how good Pac is, he's beaten top, top fighters, something Naz didnt.

[thewoo]

Barrera/Hamed

Barrera was a 4 to 1 underdog

Morales was just a slight underdog against Pac

Actually Morales was a 3-1 underdog. Certainlly not 4-1 but I wouldn't call it a "slight under dog"

[El Bombasto]

barerra over prince was a (well deserved) psychological beat-down

[chewy 22]

Barreras, nobody expected it, even tho they should've

btw Naz KO's Manny

[Boom_Boom]

Actually Morales was a 3-1 underdog. Certainlly not 4-1 but I wouldn't call it a "slight under dog"

no he wasnt, i still got my bookie stub from MGM

Pacquiao -125
Morales +150

+200 to go the distance

I lost $100 because it did go the distance :|

[theunderdog]

i'm picking the mab victory all the way man! pac-em was a close fight. mab-naz was a schooling. naz also got punked when he got his faca rammed in the corner

[mad_takamura]

Barreras, nobody expected it, even tho they should've

btw Naz KO's Manny but now if naz ever comes back: pac ko's naz

[mad_takamura]

as for the thread question i'll go with the barrerra vs hamed coz it destroyed the "invincibility' myth of hamed going on to this fight: not to mention his arrogant showboarding and cockiness, that's why some wants to see him put off ( including me) and most dont expect him to be put off because of his "invincible" aura.(hamed being a 4-1 favorite)

[mad_takamura]

on the em-pac fight there are still certain questions to the fight to make it a good impressive win for em :1)the headbutt of pac 2) the glove issue 3) em almost being knocked down on the last round after his machismo show-off changing to southpaw and brawling with pac. against the advice of his corner (well if that's a plus for you, not for me coz he almost got Knocked down coz of that thus a theory of ' if there was another rounsd like a 13th round after he will get KTFO by manny).

[theunderdog]

on the em-pac fight there are still certain questions to the fight to make it a good impressive win for em :1)the headbutt of pac 2) the glove issue 3) em almost being knocked down on the last round after his machismo show-off changing to southpaw and brawling with pac. against the advice of his corner (well if that's a plus for you, not for me coz he almost got Knocked down coz of that thus a theory of ' if there was another rounsd like a 13th round after he will get KTFO by manny).

the only questions about the EM win over pac are being raised by pac nuthuggers

the only thing a agree with in that entire post was the cut, i also think it was from a headbutt. the two other points were bullcrap. the gloves may have, i repeat, may have diminished pac's power a little but it he should still have won the fight even with those winning gloves if he defended well, which he didn't. gloves don't diminish speed and defensive ability.

and the freaking 13th round ko is just plain stupid. there was no 13th round!!!! and saying that em would have been ko'd in the 13th round is like saying that pac should have won the jmm fight is there were no 2nd to 12th rounds. or saying that EM would have beaten pac in their 2nd fight if he didn't get ko'd in the 10th. just stupid.

[MancMexican]

The fact that morales got hurt in the 12th round, in my opinion, is a positive thing for him because it shows by using his far superior skills he avoided Pacman's dangerous offense for the previous 11 rounds. And he only got hurt because he CHOSE to trade, not because he had to. And even when he traded, he didn't go down.

Barrera fought smart for 12 full rounds straight, never once going into the deep end with Naz like Morales did with Pac, and Morales had seen what Pac did to Barrera.

[Azania]

Great thread...This is boxing talk straight up.For me tho',

Call me sentimental,but I say MAB's schooling of Hamed takes the biscuit.Albeit a small biscuit.Hamed and Pac similarities start and end with the fact that they are both lefties with power.As pure fighters,Hamed was a different species alltogether...because of his awkwardness,the unothordoxy of style,incredible punching angles...and I say,for a single shot,Hamed is the harder puncher IMO...Hamed represented a higher risk IMO than Manny.Manny's no mystery...the JMM fight proved just that.Whereas with the Prince you did'nt know what was gonna happen.

The sustained masterclass MAB put on him,has to be one of the best in boxing history.Hamed,in truth,never got off the blocks.Marco never allowed him...that left hook to the gut is probably one of the best ever.

Manny's stock...even after the defeat by Morales....went up.Because,despite,Morales winning clearly,it was a back-and-forth war that at some stage in the fight,could have gone either way.MAB..on the other hand...pitched a damn near shut-out on Hamed.He damn near KO'd him.

I became all-time fan of Marco after that night.Not because I hated Nas that much...but because I can't remember,in recent history...of a fighter going in with so much against him..and to pull out a perfomanmce like that.

The truth might be,both wins a evenly matched...but I lean towards MAB by a hair.

Great thread.

[mad_takamura]

the only questions about the EM win over pac are being raised by pac nuthuggers

the only thing a agree with in that entire post was the cut, i also think it was from a headbutt. the two other points were bullcrap. the gloves may have, i repeat, may have diminished pac's power a little but it he should still have won the fight even with those winning gloves if he defended well, which he didn't. gloves don't diminish speed and defensive ability.

and the freaking 13th round ko is just plain stupid. there was no 13th round!!!! and saying that em would have been ko'd in the 13th round is like saying that pac should have won the jmm fight is there were no 2nd to 12th rounds. or saying that EM would have beaten pac in their 2nd fight if he didn't get ko'd in the 10th. just stupid. still there are issues like the cut caused by the headbutt which you yourself admit that's why i dont give much kudos to that victory by em.