who are the top 10 hardest punching......

[shommel]

middleweights of all time?

[teeto]

I couldnt say personally, i'll be interested to see some lists though. I normally credit Ketchel with being the hardest hitter here.

[Luigi1985]

in no order:



Ketchel
Ryan
Fernandez
Graziano (even at MW IMO=
Zale
Papke
Briscoe
Lausse
Gardiner
Fitzsimmons

[Loewe]

in no order:



Ketchel
Ryan
Fernandez
Graziano (even at MW IMO=
Zale
Papke
Briscoe
Lausse
Gardiner
Fitzsimmons

What about Rodrigo Valdez?

[shommel]

cant think of ten but am wondering who hit harder..graziano of ketchel?

[teeto]

cant think of ten but am wondering who hit harder..graziano of ketchel?
Good question, i would say Ketchel though personally.

[bladerunner]

in no order:



Ketchel
Ryan
Fernandez
Graziano (even at MW IMO=
Zale
Papke
Briscoe
Lausse
Gardiner
Fitzsimmons
i would add:
Benn
Mclellan
SRR
Jackson

[Brian123]

Ketchel (I am a biased fan though)

2nd place is up for grabs but probably Graziano.

8 more? here are a few:

Zale
Fitzsimmons
Benn
Papke

Pavlik current day.

[Rui]

Eugene Hart
Thomas Hearns
Bob Fitzsimmons
Stanley Ketchel
Rodrigo Valdez
Julian Jackson
Gerald McClellan
Kelly Pavlik
Sam Langford
Rocky Graziano

[bladerunner]

Eugene Hart
Thomas Hearns
Bob Fitzsimmons
Stanley Ketchel
Rodrigo Valdez
Julian Jackson
Gerald McClellan
Kelly Pavlik
Sam Langford
Rocky Graziano
gerat shout on Cyclone Hart he was a murderous puncher.

[Loewe]

Ketchel (I am a biased fan though)

2nd place is up for grabs but probably Graziano.

8 more? here are a few:

Zale
Fitzsimmons
Benn
Papke

Pavlik current day.

Pavlik is a accumulation type of puncher, Abraham has more power in today´s division.

[Maxmomer]

Ketchel, Fitz, Graziano and McClellan.

[Luigi1985]

I agree, I forgot Valdez and perhaps Langford (although he almost never fought at 160 lbs)...

[Brian123]

Pavlik is a accumulation type of puncher, Abraham has more power in today´s division.

Pavlik rarely throws big shots, just those hard straights. I think he has more power than Abraham, but Abraham gets off more powershots (namely that brutal uppercut).

[Loewe]

Pavlik rarely throws big shots, just those hard straights. I think he has more power than Abraham, but Abraham gets off more powershots (namely that brutal uppercut).

Well, Abraham throws not often anything else but powershots but that´s due to his lazy style. Imo Abraham has more one-punch power while Pavlik makes up with the amount he throws.

[teeto]

Well, Abraham throws not often anything else but powershots but that´s due to his lazy style. Imo Abraham has more one-punch power while Pavlik makes up with the amount he throws.
I agree, Pavlik deserves to be called a hard puncher though, not that you're disputing that, just thought i'd put that in though.

[shommel]

would giardello fit in the 10?

[paidinrakim]

julian mothafuckin jackson

[Brian123]

Well, Abraham throws not often anything else but powershots but that´s due to his lazy style. Imo Abraham has more one-punch power while Pavlik makes up with the amount he throws.

Hopefully these two will meet soon I have them 1 and 2 currently for MW's and think it will be a hell of a fight!

[TommyV]

ketchel could of been great he hits the hardest.

[Loewe]

Hopefully these two will meet soon I have them 1 and 2 currently for MW's and think it will be a hell of a fight!

Well, HBO says they have a date in 01/2009, Pavlik camp says they want Abraham after Hopkins, Abraham camp says they want Pavlik after Marquez. So, I think it will happen, they just have to go by their next opponents. Additionally those two guys are made for each other, Pavlik comes at you throwing punches while having a lackluster defence while Abraham wants you to come to him and counters - I think this fight is close to 50/50 but I slightly favour Abraham due to his better defence and chin and I´m pretty sure there will be a KO but if it goes to the cards Pavlik wins.

[redrooster]

in no order:



Ketchel
Ryan
Fernandez
Graziano (even at MW IMO=
Zale
Papke
Briscoe
Lausse
Gardiner
Fitzsimmons

Briscoe? Why Briscoe?

[he grant]

Rul ... Pretty good list !

[Vockerman]

I think this is a difficult question and I have played with this idea some.

MW is one of the toughest divisions for me to try to come to a conclusion about. I change my mind about this division a lot :(

Current list (might change next week)

Benn
Carter
Graziano
Hagler
Hearns
Ketchel
Jackson
Jones Jr
Langford
McClellan

people that get swapped in and out a lot

Brisco
Cerdan
Fitzsimmons
Fullmer
Hart
Hostak
McCoy
Monzon
Tiger
Valdez

[Brian123]

Well, HBO says they have a date in 01/2009, Pavlik camp says they want Abraham after Hopkins, Abraham camp says they want Pavlik after Marquez. So, I think it will happen, they just have to go by their next opponents. Additionally those two guys are made for each other, Pavlik comes at you throwing punches while having a lackluster defence while Abraham wants you to come to him and counters - I think this fight is close to 50/50 but I slightly favour Abraham due to his better defence and chin and I´m pretty sure there will be a KO but if it goes to the cards Pavlik wins.

Interesting take I have Pavlik as a slight favorite to win. Abraham is a great fighter but Pavlik improves everytime out-hell I hate to see a loser of these two but it will be a great fight.

[Stonehands89]

No order.

1. Julian Jackson
2. Eugene Hart
3. Rubin Carter
4. Freddie Steele
5. Rodrigo Valdez
6. Roy Jones Jr
7. Charley Burley
8. Gerald McClellan
9. Nigel Benn
10. Eduardo Lause

I'd add Hearns in there somewhere.

[Russell]

No order.

1. Julian Jackson
2. Eugene Hart
3. Rubin Carter
4. Freddie Steele
5. Rodrigo Valdez
6. Roy Jones Jr
7. Charley Burley
8. Gerald McClellan
9. Nigel Benn
10. Eduardo Lause

I'd add Hearns in there somewhere.

Jackson doesn't belong that high on a middleweight list. He was very obviously faaaar harder hitting at junior middle.

Similar to Mugabi moving up to middle against Hagler. Hagler's said multiple times Hart hit him hardest, harder than Hearn's or Mugabi.

Sure, P4P they might of had more power then Hart, but Hart was a legitmate middleweight.

[everblast]

lets not forget, the often forgotten Earnie Shavers

[Loewe]

lets not forget, the often forgotten Earnie Shavers

When did he fight at mw?

[Loewe]

Interesting take I have Pavlik as a slight favorite to win. Abraham is a great fighter but Pavlik improves everytime out-hell I hate to see a loser of these two but it will be a great fight.

Well, like I said if it goes to the cards it´s all Pavlik, possibly even by a landslide BUT with Abraham it´s a big chance that it won´t. And Abraham has the better chin and defence, Pavlik´s defence has huge holes and his chin is average. Also Abraham´s trainer always puts up a very good strategy which fits right to his opponents strength and weaknesses while Pavlik knows only one way to fight. I´m really looking forward for it.

[red cobra]

What about Rodrigo Valdez?The shot Valdez finished off Briscoe with in '74 rivals ANY power punch thrown by anyone, especially considering the recipient of the bomb was the anvil-chinned Bad Bennie.

[Minotauro]

Lloyd Marshall, I know a lot of his opponents spoke highly of his power and I believe Burley claimed he was the hardest hitter he faced.

Archie Moore during his early days fought at 160lbs and his number of knockouts speak for itself.

Joe Choynski weighted around 160lbs most of his career i personally feel he was the hardest hitter at this weight here are some quotes about his power:

Jack Johnson said "Jeffries had a solid wallop and Fitz[simmons] could knock your head off but that man Choynski could paralyze you even when he didn't catch you flush. In my opinion, he was the hardest hitter, pound for pound, of the last 50 years ... I think his left hook was much more effective than either Dempsey's or Louis's"

Jim Jeffries said "he hit me so hard he broke my nose and wedged my lip between my teeth. He drove my head so far back I thought my neck stretched a foot"

[smiffy]

got to have the two gentleman to my left in there .

[Rock0052]

I like Choynski, Fitzsimmons, Julian Jackson, Benn, Abraham, Ketchel, Hart, Mclellan, Burley, Moore, and Valdez, in no particular order. Talk about splitting hairs, though- even the guys who didn't quite make the top 10 could still break teeth and rattle brains enough to make you cringe for their opposition.

edit: and apparently, I can't count because I forgot to put Ketchel on, so I'll just stick with 11

[Stonehands89]

Jackson doesn't belong that high on a middleweight list. He was very obviously faaaar harder hitting at junior middle.

Similar to Mugabi moving up to middle against Hagler. Hagler's said multiple times Hart hit him hardest, harder than Hearn's or Mugabi.

Sure, P4P they might of had more power then Hart, but Hart was a legitmate middleweight.
The first two words beginning the post say "no order".

...and Hearns was an exceptional puncher -at WW, JMW, MW, and probably SMW.

[AREA 53]

If one is looking at puching power alone, without technique or other assets, the the Net might have to be widened ? not Great Fighters but if you left your chin on offer you might regret it with these guys

Florentino Fernandez
Ruben Hurricane Carter
Slammin Sammy Nesmith
Dangerous Don Lee
Gretian Tonna
William Caveman Lee

Mike Rossman ?? (Before Moving to Lt Heavy)
Eddie Gregory ?? (Before Moving up to Lt Heavy)

[Robbi]

The first two words beginning the post say "no order".

...and Hearns was an exceptional puncher -at WW, JMW, MW, and probably SMW.

LHW as well as he dropped Andries five times and stopped him inside the distance. I don't think his power at SMW was much different than at LHW.

[Brian123]

Lloyd Marshall, I know a lot of his opponents spoke highly of his power and I believe Burley claimed he was the hardest hitter he faced.

Archie Moore during his early days fought at 160lbs and his number of knockouts speak for itself.

Joe Choynski weighted around 160lbs most of his career i personally feel he was the hardest hitter at this weight here are some quotes about his power:

Jack Johnson said "Jeffries had a solid wallop and Fitz[simmons] could knock your head off but that man Choynski could paralyze you even when he didn't catch you flush. In my opinion, he was the hardest hitter, pound for pound, of the last 50 years ... I think his left hook was much more effective than either Dempsey's or Louis's"

Jim Jeffries said "he hit me so hard he broke my nose and wedged my lip between my teeth. He drove my head so far back I thought my neck stretched a foot"

I always say Ketchel hit the hardest IMO (again being a biased fan) though I do believe Choynski hit just as hard if not harder it's just impossible to tell.
I just look how Ketchel applied that power with a KO% of 77% (54 wins 49 KO's) one of the very best in history.