De La Hoya an all time great?...or not

[Action]

The fact that his in-fight strategy versus Trinidad and Mayweather caused him to quit fighting during critical times in each bout....the losses versus Mosely, his stoppage against Hopkins and the fight against Sturm (which he probably lost) prove him to be at a level and a step below many of the elite of all time.
On the plus side he did beat Whitiker and Vargas but also an aging and smaller Chavez plus made-to-order styles against Gatti and Mayorga. He happens to help carry the PPV wave to this day and there is no denying his popularity I am just not convinced that he is one of the best of all time.

[MrSmall]

Yep.

[Sonny Carson]

no

[Scar]

Yes.

[SweetScienceFan]

Oscar De La Hoya is an Olympic Gold Medalist, the only 6 division World Champion in History, and the biggest draw in the history of boxing. I would say that the answer is rather obvious.

[Danny Ocean]

yes

[cdub1012]

definatley he is.... think about it he has only lost to 4 ppl.... an there is lots of controversy about whether or not those 3 beat him... an when u look at it Chavez was only 31 or 32 when he fought DLH... dLH was 34 when he fought PBF .. an the only reason mosley is a all time great is cause why.... he beat DLH n the first fight.. there are many questions around every fighters career but i think the question is obvious tht yes he is a all time great i would even rank him top 10 fighters below the heavy weight divison

[El Bombasto]

obviously

[Amsterdam]

A longtime elite fighter, beyond worthy HOF level fighter, but an ATG rating can be disputed.

[PowerPuncher]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice

Hopkins - beat him with a tap

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.

[Jose FM]

Yes, he is. Everyone keeps pointing out that Sturm fight, so then also point out that he won the second Mosley fight. Oh well, i guess since it doesnt serve the purpose of your argument then thats not mentioned i guess.

[Jose FM]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs
Did not look foolish at all, what fight are you talking about? The only one that looked foolish was the so-called p4p who got a SD against a past prime DLH. Floyd said was gonna ice DLH, instead we saw floyd run around and occasionally pot-shot DLH. 34 yr/ parttime fighter DLH stock rose much more than the socalled p4p king

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man
So now Whitakers old, but when Floyd fought DLH, DLH was made to look foolish? Oh, i see what your doing here.:good

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed
Definately did not outbox DLH. The fight was close no doubt, but no way was Quartey robbed. Quartey was robbed against Forrest, that was a robbery, but not against DLH. DLH looked dull at times, but fought right there with Quartey the entire fight, and had a sensational 12th where he knocked him down for the second time, and unloaded.

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off
Sturm did jab the shite outta DLH, but DLH combo'd the shite outta Sturm, even though Sturm basically did not move cause Sturm was a true MW, and DLH was the smaller man, he did score alot in this fight and Sturm at times didnt capitalize on moments where he should have and therefore lost the fight.

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice
Once! DLH was robbed the second time.

Hopkins - beat him with a tap
A natural LHW fighting a natural WW. Nuff said.

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed
Finally some justice.

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.
Indeed.

[SweetScienceFan]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice

Hopkins - beat him with a tap

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.
Wow, nothing like being biased.

[Golden Boy]

yes :bbb

[brooklyn1550]

Yes

[PJ]

Absolutely !!!!!


No doubt!

[kg0208]

He is an ATG.

[Pimp C]

He's an ATG top 85-75

[jimmie]

No doubt hes one of the best in a very good era of fighters.

[henrik]

:shock: Yes..

[Rock0052]

Oscar definitely is, and I also give him props for fighting the best competition out of any fighter still in the game today. As more fighters are starting to follow his lead and not be so worried about getting an L on their record, you're now seeing bigger fights getting made now as opposed to a couple years ago.

[Asterion]

Oscar is an All Time Great.

[Flatlander]

The fact that his in-fight strategy versus Trinidad and Mayweather caused him to quit fighting during critical times in each bout....the losses versus Mosely, his stoppage against Hopkins and the fight against Sturm (which he probably lost) prove him to be at a level and a step below many of the elite of all time.
On the plus side he did beat Whitiker and Vargas but also an aging and smaller Chavez plus made-to-order styles against Gatti and Mayorga. He happens to help carry the PPV wave to this day and there is no denying his popularity I am just not convinced that he is one of the best of all time.

not

[Thom]

Oscar De La Hoya is an Olympic Gold Medalist, the only 6 division World Champion in History, and the biggest draw in the history of boxing. I would say that the answer is rather obvious.



I say yes, he's an ATG.

However, the "6 division world champ" claim is farcical IMHO. At 160 DLH should have lost the Sturm fight, a fact which isn't even relevant because Hopkins was clearly the linear and Undisputed champion at the time and no one else had a legit claim to being a "world champ" in the division. The WBO championship he briefly held at 130 wasn't worth anything in the mid-1990s. You can't retroactively legitimize the WBO championship from years past because they've become the 4th major title in the past few years. Are we now supposed to accept Francesco Damiani, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Herbie Hide, and Michael Bentt as legit HW champs from the 1990s? Please. :-(

Other than my gripe about how many titles DLH is given credit for, he still has a great resume and is a great fighter even at this stage IMO.

[DoumB]

without a doubt

[DoumB]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice

Hopkins - beat him with a tap

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.

u have almost the same credibily has prescott when it come to DLH my friend

[Terrible Terry]

Oscar is a great attraction but not a great fighter, he was a very good fighter.

[Jason997]

Oscar was great, he had incredible talents and polished boxing skills. He may have lost several big fights, but one never had the sense that he was every outclassed. Merely beaten by other excellent fighters. Clearly an all time great if you consider top 50 all time fighters to be ATG candidates.

- Jason

[the_what]

DLH is an ATG but below fighters like Mosley, WInky, Trinidad, and Mayweather. Cotto will soon surpass him as well on ATG lists. :yep

[divac]

DLH competed against the best of his generation, but comes short of me mentioning him with the true elites of the game.

A true elite senses a situation and takes it to another level to equal victory.
Thats what DLH lacked. He did'nt have that extra gear that true elites go to when need be.

A great fighter yes, but falls short of mentioning with the true elites of the game.

[Sister Sledge]

People forget that Oscar started out as a 130 pounder. At 135, he was a beast. He didn't even lose until he went up to Welterweight. These are some of the fighter he beat before he moved up to Welterweight.

Jeff Mayweather tko 4
Troy Dorsey tko 1
Jorge Paez tko 2
John John Molina ud 12
Rafael Ruelas tko 2
Genaro Hernandez tko 6
JJ Leija tko 2
Darryl Tyson ko 2
JC Chavez tko 4
Miguel Angel Gonzalez ud 12

These are not bad fighters. Hernandez and Gonzalez were both undefeated longtime champions before they lost to Oscar. Oscar may have gotten a call his was with the whittaker fight, but he also got screwed (ODH-SSM II, ODH-Tito). Oscar has beaten the best of his era and is a great competitor. he's never been blown out of a fight and would be competitive in any era. He is an ATG, and I think his best weight was 135, where he blew almost everybody away.

[PATSYS]

This thread should be closed on the sole basis of idiocy.

[ThePlugInBabies]

That would be a not. Thank you. Any further DLH questions, contact Jack Presscot via this website. :hi: :rasta

yeah but thats like saying, 'if you want to know more about the pros and cons of being jewish, contact me, mr a. hitler'.

[Vantage_West]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice

Hopkins - beat him with a tap

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.:good those are the facts i like

his achievments and trinkets are large but his compatition is relativly weak compared to his losses and robberies.
he can be beaten he was beaten by sturm and it was a shame. becuase he didnt earn it to fight for the middlewieght title.

great fighter but not an atg

[Vantage_West]

i persoannly feel he is like ray leonard

olympian given alot of attention
pro fights against weak but known oposition and then politics for titles if you drop the wiehgt i will fight you he will run and not respond to challenges. but when an opening comes up he will take it.


he is a politician he is not a fighter.

[Marnoff]

Did not look foolish at all, what fight are you talking about? The only one that looked foolish was the so-called p4p who got a SD against a past prime DLH. Floyd said was gonna ice DLH, instead we saw floyd run around and occasionally pot-shot DLH. 34 yr/ parttime fighter DLH stock rose much more than the socalled p4p king



A natural LHW fighting a natural WW. Nuff said.

For the first comment, Mayweather stood in front of De La Hoya all night and simply outfought him. Watch it again.

As for the second... Hopkins fought his career at Middleweight. He's not a "natural Light Heavyweight". The weight does look "natural" on him, but he's still a career Middleweight....

Pathetic.

[Marnoff]

i persoannly feel he is like ray leonard

olympian given alot of attention
pro fights against weak but known oposition and then politics for titles if you drop the wiehgt i will fight you he will run and not respond to challenges. but when an opening comes up he will take it.


he is a politician he is not a fighter.

...Ray Leonard fought the best of the best. Hagler/Hearns/Duran were not "weak but known". They are all ATGs.

[Sister Sledge]

Depends how you define an ATG, when he faced the best boxers he got outboxed, lets look:

Mayweather - made to look foolish despite outweighing the smaller Mayweather by about 15lbs

No excuse for this loss only to the fact that he lost to a younger better boxer.

Whitaker - the old Whitaker should have been given the decision, Oscar hit air allot of the time and was not the better man

I thought Oscar lost back then, but I can see why some people thought he won this fight. Either way, he beat an ATG, even though it wouldn't have been a disgrace to lose to Sweet Pea.

Quartey - Quartey outboxed Oscar for 9rounds and was robbed

Oscar came back to knock Ike down in the sixth after getting knocked down in the same round. He had Ike out on his feet in the 12th and the bout probably should have been stopped. ODH won a close decision

Sturm - Sturm jabbed Oscars head off.

It was close, but Oscar won. You don't win just because you gave a p4per a good fight.

Mosley - Mosley outsped and outfought Oscar twice

SSM won the first one, but Oscar wuz robbed in the second fight where he clearly outfought Shane.

Hopkins - beat him with a tap

No shame in losing to B-Hop

Trinidad - give him this 1, a good performance Oscar was robbed

No need to comment on this one.

Chavez - old past prime but a decent win.

Oscar whipped that ass

I would say that Genaro Hernandez was the best Junior Lightweight of his time and Oscar made him quit.

Oscar thouroughly beat everyone from 130-140 and didn't really have any hard fights until he moved up to Welterweight, where he was still successful.

Let's not forget his destruction of Vargas and Mayorga.

The guy is definately an ATG.

So against the best he comes up short time and again but he did fight the best.

Give it up.

[kaygb]

No. Oh I'm sure a lot of guys think he is because of the clever way Arum handled him during his earlier career handpicking opponents. Making fighters step up in weight to fight Oscar was the primary reason for some of his wins. Oh yes he fought top fighters during his career but in almost each case he had the advantage.
If you are smart enough you can see through the games. Look at it this way. Each and every time when he stepped up and fought the very very best ... the top elite fighters during his reign ... he lost them all. 0 and 5 is his record against the best.
ATG ..... no.
A very very good fighter whose resume is very impressive. Yes.

[PATSYS]

Just the mere fact that DLH fought the best there is and was competitive (to say the least) makes DLH an ATG, no doubt in my books.

[Jinx]

there is no way Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG...if he isn't then what does one have to accomplish in boxing to become an ATG?

[achillesthegreat]

Not debatable. Of course he is.

[McGrain]

i persoannly feel he is like ray leonard

olympian given alot of attention
pro fights against weak but known oposition and then politics for titles if you drop the wiehgt i will fight you he will run and not respond to challenges. but when an opening comes up he will take it.

He fought some of the best fighters who have ever lived. Including arguably the best Middlweight who ever lived.


he is a politician he is not a fighter.

What a bizare thing to say. Seen the Hearns fight?

[McGrain]

An ATG? He came up short against Superior Black Athletes like Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather and Mosley.

You're funny.

Multi-weight world champ who tried and failed to do the impossible. Of course he's an ATG, signed sealed and delivered in fact.

[McGrain]

Sign sealed and delivered in your opinion, which is like an asshole, we all got em' and they all stink, including yours and your boy, Oscar's, and you can quote me on that. Multi weight "TITLEHOLDER" OScar has never been undisputed. Deal with it.


Big silly.