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Dostoevsky
07-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
john b
07-29-2007, 11:40 AM
Well I wouldn't say top three even because you have SRR, SRL and also ALI. Would he beat a prime duran at lightweight?
Muchmoore
07-29-2007, 11:43 AM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
No he wouldnt be number one all time. Even if he beats all three his overall resume doesnt compare to Robinsons. Top 3 I wouldnt put him in either, but top 5 perhaps.
Executioner
07-29-2007, 11:47 AM
Would he beat a prime duran at lightweight?
:nono
ChampionsForever
07-29-2007, 11:58 AM
No, and this will never be a reality because he will never fight Cotto especially after he takes care of SSM. Oh and Hatton will beat him anyways :good
Well I wouldn't say top three even because you have SRR, SRL and also ALI. Would he beat a prime duran at lightweight?
Hell no.
To the TS. If he cleans out 147 and beats Hatton, he's not the GOAT (not even close IMO), but he would solidify his legacy as one of the best of this generation.
brooklyn1550
07-29-2007, 12:29 PM
If he beat Cotto, Hatton, and Mosley, I would put him in the top 25 or top 20, but no where near the GOAT.
kg0208
07-29-2007, 01:00 PM
I might edge him to the top 15....probably top 20. You add Williams in there, certainly top 15.
carlito
07-29-2007, 01:15 PM
No he wouldnt be number one all time. Even if he beats all three his overall resume doesnt compare to Robinsons. Top 3 I wouldnt put him in either, but top 5 perhaps.
i agree with top 5 for sure...
DonPrestige
07-29-2007, 01:30 PM
Damn, so what would he have to do to be rated as an ATG not No 1 but up there? I remember people saying before that he had to clean out the division to be a great after oscar fight. Now if he does that he still aint an all time great.
You guys keep raising the bar.
Damn, so what would he have to do to be rated as an ATG not No 1 but up there? I remember people saying before that he had to clean out the division to be a great after oscar fight. Now if he does that he still aint an all time great.
You guys keep raising the bar.
He's clearly going to go down as an ATG. It's just that I don't think there's any way that he can realistically go down as THE ATG. C'mon, even Floyd knows that all of his talk about being greater than Robinson is unadulterated bullshit.
Smazz20
07-29-2007, 02:00 PM
If Floyd was to drop to 140 and beat Hatton at his best weight he'd be the lineal and undisputed LW champ. Somebody already said he wouldn't be able to do this, but given the proper amount of time who knows. Then move back to welter and beat Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margarito (just to shut up some people) Cintron and maybe even Collazo to achieve at another weight, undisputed champ status.
Finally, have another 2-3 more fights at LM, against whomever is the bst available and you could, imo, make a serious claim for him being top 3.
PATSYS
07-29-2007, 02:09 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
I will not hesitate to rank him at least top 3.
Anybody can make a good argument of him being #1.
southpaw1974
07-29-2007, 02:48 PM
The answer is yes. Right now he is top 5, and would be #1 after beating those guys. Let's stop asking fighters to have over a 100 fights in the 21st century. Those days are over and it's a different era. Pound for pound and era for era, Floyd will go down as the best ever to anyone with an objective, educated eye.
Cookie
07-29-2007, 02:55 PM
He could beat every so called elite fighter from 147 all the way up to 175lbs and still wouldn't be considered #1. There is no way he can surpass Ray Robinson. Mayweather simply isn't popular enough and the legend of Robinson is too greatly thought of. Probably the same with Ali as well. No one would want to think of a jerk like Mayweather being "greater" than Ali.
PATSYS
07-29-2007, 03:04 PM
He could beat every so called elite fighter from 147 all the way up to 175lbs and still wouldn't be considered #1. There is no way he can surpass Ray Robinson. Mayweather simply isn't popular enough and the legend of Robinson is too greatly thought of. Probably the same with Ali as well. No one would want to think of a jerk like Mayweather being "greater" than Ali.
You mean you would rate him higher if he were to stir some race shit issues and dodge the draft than if he were to beat Calzaghe?
Tsk, tsk...:-(
Cookie
07-29-2007, 03:07 PM
You mean you would rate him higher if he were to stir some race shit issues and dodge the draft than if he were to beat Calzaghe?
Tsk, tsk...:-(
:lol:
Regardless of anything Ali did, or didn't do for that matter, he's still clearly one of the most loved sportsmen of all time. Not just the most loved boxer.
if he beats Hatton, and then Cotto and Mosley i'd put him somewhere in the top 15 ATG...
platnumpapi
07-29-2007, 07:01 PM
you could argue top 5 if pbf done all that, hell pbf nut huggers would have him at number one.i dont know where i would place him i just know that if he retired undeafted with that type of resume then he would deserve what ever he had coming to him.
Shake
07-29-2007, 07:02 PM
To be the GOAT, he'd have to fight at least every three months and win convincingly in almost each of his bouts. The best opponents he can possibly find.
I'm serious. If you're going to claim you're better than Robinson (and remember you're talking about the consensus GOAT of over a HUNDRED years worth of individual athletes) you better prove it thrice over.
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
No way no.1 but he would be making a good case for himself to be in at least the top 10 IMO. Three massive wins there, combined with everything else he has already achieved in his career.
DoumB
07-29-2007, 07:36 PM
no way in hell, top 10 AT MAX
Muchmoore
07-29-2007, 07:37 PM
Damn, so what would he have to do to be rated as an ATG not No 1 but up there? I remember people saying before that he had to clean out the division to be a great after oscar fight. Now if he does that he still aint an all time great.
You guys keep raising the bar.
Mayweather is already an ATG in my opinion. There is a difference between being an ATG and being top P4P ever and thats what most were saying.
southpaw1974
07-30-2007, 03:18 PM
This is so stupid!! Why in other sports can a recent athlete be called the greatest ever (Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, etc) but in boxing "nobody will ever be better than Robinson". Boxing fans are so fuckin dumb!! I bet even Robinson himself would agree Mayweather is better. He has way better defense and other than more power, Robinson had nothing on him.
Watch, if someone beats Mayweather, people will say "see...I told you he isn't that great". Even though Robinson lost, struggled with, and had gift decisions over some very mediocre opponents. All of those performances were excused because he fought so often. If Mayweather fought that often, he would still probably be undefeated, and if he lost it would be to better fighters than the people that Robinson lost to and/or struggled with. Regardless of weight, do you really think Mayweather would have lost to La Motta? C'mon!! Mayweather started at 130 and he still would have beaten La Motta. Mayweather at 150lbs beats La Motta 10 out of 10 times. Robinson was great, but stop with the "nobody will ever be better" bullshit!!
cross_trainer
07-30-2007, 03:21 PM
1. Hatton
2. Cotto
3. Mosley
4. Williams
5. Margarito
...and make sure the welter belts are unified. He would probably make the top 15/20 all time, top 3-5 in welter.
cross_trainer
07-30-2007, 03:23 PM
This is so stupid!! Why in other sports can an recent athlete be called the greatest ever (Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, etc) but in boxing "nobody will ever be better than Robinson". Boxing fans are so fuckin dumb!! I bet even Robinson himself would agree Mayweather is better. He has way better defense and other than more power, Robinson had nothing on him.
Watch, if someone beats Mayweather, people will say "see...I told you he isn't that great". Even though Robinson lost, struggled with, and had gift decisions over some very mediocre opponents. All of those performances were excused because he fought so often. If Mayweather fought that often, he would still probably be undefeated, and if he lost it would be to better fighters than the people that Robinson lost to and/or struggled with. Regardless of weight, do you really think Mayweather would have lost to La Motta? C'mon!! Mayweather started at 130 and he still would have beaten La Motta. Mayweather at 150lbs beats La Motta 10 out of 10 times. Robinson was great, but stop with the "nobody will ever be better" bullshit!!
Floyd hasn't done enough to be better than Robinson. It isn't a question of Robinson's resume being untouchable (Armstrong and Greb may be better, among others)--it's Floyd's not being good enough to do it.
Head-to-head evaluations are meaningless when evaluating greatness.
Illmatic
07-30-2007, 03:37 PM
if he beats Hatton, and then Cotto and Mosley i'd put him somewhere in the top 15 ATG...
same here. I cant really see a situation where hed be ranked over Robinson, Ali, Greb, and Armstrong....or even Whitaker....but beat those guys and I see him being top 10-15
CASH_718
07-30-2007, 03:39 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?To get in the top 5 he would have to beat those 3 and Paul Williams, the winner of Pavlik vs Taylor and become linear at 154.
Alo2006
07-30-2007, 03:56 PM
After he beats Hatton, I'm predicting Mosley to beat Cotto, which will set up a fight between Mayweather vs Mosley. While that fight is being made, Cotto vs Hatton will happen. Cotto will win, which would set up a fight against Mayweather. Mayweather will win. With all those win against elites, I would rank him some where in the top ten indeed.
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:05 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
I think if he beats those three he's maybe top 15...to get up into the top 10 you have to add the middleweight champion of the world. I don't think he can get in amongst Armstrong, Robinson, Langford etc. with the time he has left to him, though we'll see.
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:06 PM
I will not hesitate to rank him at least top 3.
Anybody can make a good argument of him being #1.
On pure ability I think there is a case to place him very very high. But in terms of achievment, no way.
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:09 PM
Above Oscar's ass, thats for Gotdamned sure.
Overall, there can be no doubt about that.
southpaw1974
07-30-2007, 04:09 PM
To get in the top 5 he would have to beat those 3 and Paul Williams, the winner of Pavlik vs Taylor and become linear at 154.
Are you fuckin kidding me? Now you want a guy who started his career at 130 and is 5'8 to fight and defeat a 6'2 Middleweight who walks around at 175-180 and hits like a truck (Pavlik) or a 6'1 Middleweight who also walks around at 175-180lbs and has outgrown the Middleweight division and is going up to Super Middleweight? This is insane!! De La Hoya who is naturally bigger, stronger and taller than Mayweather (even though he started at the same weight) couldn't beat Hopkins, but the smaller Mayweather is supposed to beat the guy who beat him twice or a guy even taller and more powerful!! No wonder Floyd was talking retirement...people's demands of him are outrageous!!
southpaw1974
07-30-2007, 04:11 PM
Floyd hasn't done enough to be better than Robinson. It isn't a question of Robinson's resume being untouchable (Armstrong and Greb may be better, among others)--it's Floyd's not being good enough to do it.
Head-to-head evaluations are meaningless when evaluating greatness.
You have a lot to learn if you think Mayweather isn't at least as gifted as Robinson. Again, even Robinson didn't have the defense Floyd has. Also, Floyd is smarter.
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:14 PM
You have a lot to learn if you think Mayweather isn't at least as gifted as Robinson. Again, even Robinson didn't have the defense Floyd has. Also, Floyd is smarter.
I think that Mayweather may indeed be as gifted as Robinson...i also feel he may shade him for defense.
I beleive that Mayweather has perhaps one fifth of Robinson's offense though. Robinson was a box-puncher even up at Middle...the guy stopped LaMotta possibly the best chin/endurance combo of any fighter ever.
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:15 PM
Floyd has better defense because he's a lot more cautious and technical and boring. Robinson was to offense what Floyd is to defense, and explain how Floyd's smarter.
Indeed, the Floyd smarter shout is odd.
Also, Robinson spends much more time punching, which will obviously make him easier to hit back.
Boxing, baby.
Asterion
07-30-2007, 04:16 PM
Not #1 of all times but he would be in the Top10.
To be #1 he would have to beat:
-Hatton
-Mosley/Cotto winner
-Williams
-Spinks
-Taylor at 160 (or the 160 Champ if Taylor goes up to 168 )
McGrain
07-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Not #1 of all times but he would be in the Top10.
To be #1 he would have to beat:
-Hatton
-Mosley/Cotto winner
-Williams
-Spinks
-Taylor at 160 (or the 160 Champ if Taylor goes up to 168 )
Seems unlikely to me this would NECCESARILY move him above Armstrong, for example.
But it puts him in that type of company
Asterion
07-30-2007, 04:18 PM
Floyd has better defense because he's a lot more cautious and technical and boring. Robinson was to offense what Floyd is to defense, and explain how Floyd's smarter.
No.
In my opinion, Floyd is to defense what Armstrong was to offense.
Asterion
07-30-2007, 04:21 PM
Robinson hit harder and had faster hands than Armstrong. Basically you're hating on Floyd if you say he's nothing but defense, cuz that's what Armstrong was to offense.
What I meant is that he's one of the best ever at defense, just like Hank is one of the best ever in attacking skills.
ripcity
07-30-2007, 07:24 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
If he beat all three easly consdering his skills he would be in the conversation.
john b
07-30-2007, 07:50 PM
SRR was unstoppbale the only person to give him trouble was lamotta and lamotta only beat him once out of the five times they fought. This hypethetical but i could see SRR doing a number on PBF, this is my opinion.
sweet_scientist
07-30-2007, 09:15 PM
A few things to note:
Mosley is already clearly past his prime.
Cotto is untested against anyone elite.
Hatton is Hatton. How highly do you rank Hatton?
Don't get me wrong, all three wins would be good wins for Floyd, but I'm not sure I'd be ready to say that those wins make him a top 20 ATG, to say nothing of a top 3.
There's still more to learn about Cotto and how good he is, and I'm not convinced Hatton is all that good. As I said, Mosley is not at his best, no matter how impressive he looked against an injured Collazo.
bigtime9
07-30-2007, 09:35 PM
When the hell did Bigtime9 make a new account?
sorry to disappoint you but I have floyd top 5 right now, if he beats hatton and the winner of cotto/mosley I would move him as second best all-time. to surpass robinson he would have to face the wbc champ at 160
Ted Stickles
07-30-2007, 09:49 PM
No he wouldnt be number one all time. Even if he beats all three his overall resume doesnt compare to Robinsons. Top 3 I wouldnt put him in either, but top 5 perhaps.
Somewhat agree i say top 8
Lance_Uppercut
07-30-2007, 09:52 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?
No. Still far from #1. But it would be very imporessive.
Lance_Uppercut
07-30-2007, 09:53 PM
sorry to disappoint you but I have floyd top 5 right now, if he beats hatton and the winner of cotto/mosley I would move him as second best all-time. to surpass robinson he would have to face the wbc champ at 160
You're ig'nant ass said he's top 3 after defeating DLH....:patsch Fuckin newbie..
1lehudson
07-30-2007, 11:14 PM
Hatton
Cotto
Mosley
Would he be the 1 ATG?
Or at least in the top 3?All time great???
hell if he beat those fighters in the next three fights, clowns on this site would only be bitc*hing about him not fighting Margo and Williams.
crippet
04-07-2011, 04:09 PM
No, and this will never be a reality because he will never fight Cotto especially after he takes care of SSM. Oh and Hatton will beat him anyways :good
:nut
Shogun Assassin
04-07-2011, 04:24 PM
Top 20 at the most.
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