Most misleading records?

[Russell]

Basically, the best fighters with the "worst" records at a passing glance.

Livingstone Bramble comes to mind. 40-26.

Braddock's 51-26 comes to mind as well.

Most wouldn't assume one of the greatest fighters of all time would have a 90-25 record, like Ezzard Charles does.

And speaking of Ezzard, Jersey Joe comes to mind. 51-18.

Not putting any of these guys down, just saying the uninformed could very well come to the wrong conclusion just looking at the numbers.

[Icemmann]

Reggie Strickland

66 times people thought he should be an easy win. He showed them they were wrong.

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[Russell]

Guys lost close to 300 times but only been KO'ed a handful of times.

Christ, reminds me of Ross Purrity times ten.

[mr. magoo]

Freddie Pendleton wasn't too bad either and his record was something like

47-26-5-34.

[Luigi1985]

Joey Maxim
Joe Brown
Jersey Joe Walcott
George Chip
Emile Griffith
Eddie Perkins
Carlos Chavez
Ezzard Charles
Jimmy Bivins


and my favourite:

ED WILLIAMS

[fg2227]

Ali 56-5

[Luigi1985]

Ali 56-5


He can be lucky that he got some strange decisions, otherwise he would have at least 2 defeats more... :hey

[Russell]

How in gods name is 56-5 misleading?

[Luigi1985]

How in gods name is 56-5 misleading?

You know it, for some people Ali is god and the p4p-king easily...

[Street Lethal]

He can be lucky that he got some strange decisions, otherwise he would have at least 2 defeats more... :hey

What strange decisions, Luigi?

[Russell]

You know it, for some people Ali is god and the p4p-king easily...

Yeah. Even the hugely uninformed wouldn't look at that record and think anything bad of it, though.

[Luigi1985]

What strange decisions, Luigi?


Perhaps Ken Norton? Young? Never saw that fights objective? Some questionables stoppages who were way too early over... Ali is lucky to retired with 56-5...

[Street Lethal]

I have seen both those fights. He didn't lose them. Norton was close, but Kenny blew the last round. Young wasn't close. You don't win fights by trying to run out of the ring (or whatever the hell it was Young was doing). I don't know what fights were questionable stoppages. You can't be talking about Lyle. Ali had Lyle in all kinds of trouble and Lyle was returning no fire. I have never counted how many unanswered punches Lyle was hit with, but they must have numbered in the several dozen.

It sounds to me like you are biased against Ali in a big way. You're running down the best heavyweight who ever lived. Is that what bugs you? That he was so great? Is there some other heavyweight or heavyweights you wish people would recognize were better?

[Nemesis]

Buck Smith closely followed by Willie Pep

[Luigi1985]

I have seen both those fights. He didn't lose them. Norton was close, but Kenny blew the last round. Young wasn't close. You don't win fights by trying to run out of the ring (or whatever the hell it was Young was doing). I don't know what fights were questionable stoppages. You can't be talking about Lyle. Ali had Lyle in all kinds of trouble and Lyle was returning no fire. I have never counted how many unanswered punches Lyle was hit with, but they must have numbered in the several dozen.

It sounds to me like you are biased against Ali in a big way. You're running down the best heavyweight who ever lived. Is that what bugs you? That he was so great? Is there some other heavyweight or heavyweights you wish people would recognize were better?


IMO it´s out of question that Ali is one of the greatest fighters ever. But I criticized that someone named Ali´s 56-5- record as a perfect example for misleading record, as if he was unbeatable or so, you get now what I meant?

[jonesjrp4p1]

James Corbett

12(5 ko)-4-2

[janitor]

Fritzie Zivic is perhaps the best example.

He retired with a record of 157-65-10 yet he is to my mind a pound for pound great. Henry Armstrong would have had no easy time with him even at his peak.

[Duodenum]

Tiger Ted Lowry had a record of 67W(43KO)+67L(Only three by kayo)+10D. Best known for having gone the distance with Marciano twice without hitting the deck. Also the only one to last the distance twice against Billy Fox, drawing with Fox in their initial meeting. Went the distance twice with LaStarza. Also went the distance with Tiger Jack Fox, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivens, drew with Lee Savold and Lee Oma. A tough, resourceful warhorse. (Marciano said if he fought Lowry a hundred times, the match would go the distance a hundred times.)

[Vantage_West]

iran barkley 43-19

his power and chin is very misleading by the records

[Vantage_West]

brent cooper is maybe the most misleading record of all
20-5 doesnt look much a bit so so
but look at his compatition and its SOO poor
los and drawn with reggie strickland
beaten by robert muhhamad

possible the most padded record in history...

[Vantage_West]

darnell boone 14-10
such a good fighter compact speedy doenst have the power but is always in shape he just doesnt have the reach and hieght ..and with little power he is really helpless but his boxing skills and defence is amazing.

robbed all the time i have a fight on espn of him against this undefeated prospect and him totally outboxing him in speed,agilty and those combo's i dindt see him lose a single round. and got robbed real shame.

[janitor]

James Corbett

12(5 ko)-4-2

Corbetts actual record included 90+ fights!

[Russell]

Buck Smith closely followed by Willie Pep

And what's so misleading about Pep's?

[Russell]

Fritzie Zivic is perhaps the best example.

He retired with a record of 157-65-10 yet he is to my mind a pound for pound great. Henry Armstrong would have had no easy time with him even at his peak.

Did he get a lot of bad decisions, lot of close fights, just bad luck to have fought so many greats... What?

[Vantage_West]

johnny nelson 45-12

possibly the most boring fighter ever to brace the clench of a belt...but he did know his stuff and if not getting hit is an art he was a artist at it he was very quick ,tall and unorthodox but his style was stunningly un-crowd pleasing

but his jab power and tactics made him a hard opponant if you beat him in his prime you got a very big well done sticker.

it's also his poor amateur record that amazes me 17 fights with 4 wins!

[DamonD]

Johnny's career is all kinds of weird anyway! The kind of thing no-one would believe if he was a fictional character...

Mike Weaver was a better fighter than his 41-18-1 record would suggest.

[Manassa]

Rocky Marciano's 49-0. You'd think he was an all-time great, but if you look closely, you'll see he only fought old men, journeymen and light heavyweights.

[Vantage_West]

Johnny's career is all kinds of weird anyway! The kind of thing no-one would believe if he was a fictional character...

Mike Weaver was a better fighter than his 41-18-1 record would suggest.i saw the funniest youtube highlight of all time
it was a highlight of the johnny nelson vs de leon made by frank warran to promote his fighter.

and there was about 3 punches in over all it was 40 seconds long with only 3 punches landed:rofl :rofl :rofl i swear it's a joke

[janitor]

Did he get a lot of bad decisions, lot of close fights, just bad luck to have fought so many greats... What?

Fritzie Zivic fought as a journeyman for several years before he made boxing his full time job.

During this period he fought verry frequently against high grade opposition and wore the cuffs a lot.

[DamonD]

i saw the funniest youtube highlight of all time
it was a highlight of the johnny nelson vs de leon made by frank warran to promote his fighter.

and there was about 3 punches in over all it was 40 seconds long with only 3 punches landed:rofl :rofl :rofl i swear it's a joke
I bet all 3 punches were landed by Nelson though :yep
Sounds like the highlights for a few Hopkins fights I can think of ;)

[The Kurgan]

I bet all 3 punches were landed by Nelson though :yep
Sounds like the highlights for a few Hopkins fights I can think of ;)

The difference between Nelson's highlights and Hopkins' highlights would be that whereas Nelson's have 3 connected punches, Hopkins would have 3 headbutts and no cleanly connecting punches.