Mundine vs Winky - who would win this close matchup at 168 -question mark- [Archive]

MSTR

07-29-2007, 06:34 PM

This will be an interesting thread. Some of the aussies in here are just as bad as the yanks if not WORSE CHJ when it comes to Mundine. Anyway, that aside, I think it could be a close fight, but we have yet to see Mundine vs a top level southpaw to gauge how well he can adapt his style. After watching the BHop vs Winky fight, I thought Wright did MUCH better then the scores indicated. Based on this fight, and the fact that I don't think Winky belonged at 175 anyway, I believe that Wright would outwork Mundine for a UD, proabably by about 8 rounds to 4. Winky is deceptively strong and I can't see Choc out hussling him.

Dr Gonzo

07-29-2007, 07:09 PM

Winky's defensive style is too good and i think at 168 he would come in with a greater level of fitness than what he had at 175. His southpaw style and ring smarts see him get a UD 9 rounds to 3

MSTR

07-29-2007, 07:57 PM

This is a no brainer unless you hate mundine and like Danny green who lost to Beyer twice :lol: or like a welterweight who is just about to be exposed because of how chinny he is:yep

IMO Winky has beaten up on welterweights and had a draw with Taylor which is not that bad but a lot of people thought that tiny little spinks beat Taylor or at least drew with him. Last time I checked on here there was a pole that thought Mundine would beat Taylor (who conquered hopkins) quite convincingly. Mundine would not worry about having a size difference v winky, has quicker foot speed, hand speed and more power ie the soliman fight, Mundine now who is in his prime would make WINKY THE AMERICAN HYPE train look like an amateur:yep
Mundine UD 118-110
HAHAHA. Thats hilarious. Funniest thing i have heard in the past week... Keep up the good work buddy.

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 08:03 PM

Winky's defensive style is too good and i think at 168 he would come in with a greater level of fitness than what he had at 175. His southpaw style and ring smarts see him get a UD 9 rounds to 3Winky just fought at 170 I believe, he is an old LMW and Mundine did win several rounds against (real life Ivan Drago and seemingly invincible) Mikkel Kessler -fullstop- Winky is on the slide I reckon -fullstop-

MSTR

07-29-2007, 08:07 PM

Winky just fought at 170 I believe, he is an old LMW and Mundine did win several rounds against (real life Ivan Drago and seemingly invincible) Mikkel Kessler -fullstop- Winky is on the slide I reckon -fullstop-
Winky is still a very active fighter, and IMO would just out work Mundine. Not saying Choc wouldn't possibly win a few rounds, but he goes into his shell too often at times, and against the top fighters he would need to be much more active then he was against either Green, Kessler or neivas. If he can try to match the pace and the punch output of the Soliman fight he might be a good chance though to take a VERY narrow points decision at best, however IMO it is pretty unlikely. To say that he shuts him out and makes him look like an amatuer is flat out ridiculous. I wouldn't expect anything better though from a Choc hugger.

MSTR

07-29-2007, 08:09 PM

Winky just fought at 170 I believe, he is an old LMW and Mundine did win several rounds against (real life Ivan Drago and seemingly invincible) Mikkel Kessler -fullstop- Winky is on the slide I reckon -fullstop-
As well as this, being a southpaw with probably the best jab in all of boxing, it would heavily negate Chocs jab which is one of his primary weapons. I think style wise this is a bad match up for him. I also believe that it is more then coincidence that Mundine has never really fought a good southpaw. Sounds like effective management to me, but unfortunately I have no way of proving it at this point in time.

Barge FTA

07-29-2007, 08:10 PM

Winky would have no motivation to fight Mundine and this fight will never happen.

Dr Gonzo

07-29-2007, 08:37 PM

Winky would have no motivation to fight Mundine and this fight will never happen.

its called a discussion - doesn't have to be factual :roll:

China_hand_Joe

07-29-2007, 09:15 PM

Winky by competetive but clear decison -questionmark-

Dekkers

07-29-2007, 09:17 PM

MSTR

07-29-2007, 09:28 PM

Mundine ceratainly has the edge in speed, I also can't see two pounds making a world of difference in the endurance department either for Winky.

Personally i've felt Winky has been fading for a while now, and while his solid skills and defence make the fight interesting, I think he'll lose to the younger, stronger, better conditioned, faster fighter, 7-5 or around there, probably losing the fight in the late rounds.
Winky looked good against Bernard Hopkins though, who is a level above Mundine. He doesn't need the two pounds to make a difference, as he is still an elite fighter. He is a better techincal fighter with a higher punch out put then Mundine. Hence he takes a decision. Mundine is NOT better conditioned, and even if he was doesn't throw enough punches to take advantage of it. Mundine is a poor combination puncher but it good at pot shoting. Against a guy with great defense like Wright pot shotting does not work, you need to attack in combinations. CHoc doesn't do this well, and has a limited range of punches in his offense, working mainly off the one-two combination. It is hard to get a jab to work against a southpaw, and NO ONE has been able to establish a jab before against Winky consistently, not even Taylor or Hop both of whom have solid jabs. Therefore Choc practically loses half of his offensive aresenal. I can't see him beating Wright as stated above it is a very bad match up style wise.

Dekkers

07-29-2007, 09:43 PM

Winky looked good against Bernard Hopkins though, who is a level above Mundine. He doesn't need the two pounds to make a difference, as he is still an elite fighter. He is a better techincal fighter with a higher punch out put then Mundine. Hence he takes a decision. Mundine is NOT better conditioned, and even if he was doesn't throw enough punches to take advantage of it. Mundine is a poor combination puncher but it good at pot shoting. Against a guy with great defense like Wright pot shotting does not work, you need to attack in combinations. CHoc doesn't do this well, and has a limited range of punches in his offense, working mainly off the one-two combination. It is hard to get a jab to work against a southpaw, and NO ONE has been able to establish a jab before against Winky consistently, not even Taylor or Hop both of whom have solid jabs. Therefore Choc practically loses half of his offensive aresenal. I can't see him beating Wright as stated above it is a very bad match up style wise.
Hopkins wouldn't have lost to Taylor if he was still prime, Hopkins is still a crafty fighter but at this point he's ceratainly not a level over the top 3 super middleweights (certainly in terms of achievements, but not head to head). I'd pick all three to beat him by decision, 5 years ago it's a different story.

Winky can no longer maintain his output (Mundine on the other hand is fighting at his natural weight, unlike Winky who has a lot of excess bulk as well as age working against him) and his legs have lost a lot of zip, if Mundine has plenty of movement his speed will be enough to make pot shotting a viable option. Then again Mundine only really pot shots with fighters who have something that Winky doesn't have- respectable supermiddleweight power, he's far more aggressive with combinations (hooks, and uppercuts into the mix) against fighters who lack a threatening punch.

jb1

07-29-2007, 09:47 PM

winky wide UD

KO Boxing

07-29-2007, 09:54 PM

MSTR

07-29-2007, 10:23 PM

I was very unimpressed by Winky at 170 pounds. Just seemingly had no "ring smarts" and *let* Hopkins just completely be the ring general.

Honestly, to me, all he did was come forward and throw out a a few jabs (which were NOT landing as much as the punch stats say), get on the inside and try to throw a few nothing flurries (to, as Birmingham kept saying, "keep the numbers up").

Against THAT Winky, it's a close close close fight! Mundine's speed and potshots could find a way through Winky's defence for a points win.

The Winky we're used to seeing at 160, and its a different fight. Doesn't look like he'd be able to hold that extra 8 pounds very well though.
Sounds like we watched a different fight then. When I watched the Hop v Wright fight, I saw winky getting off more, pushing Hopkins back and landing more consistently, right up unitl the end when hopkins just made it the dirtiest fight possible, constantly leading with his head and clinching. That said, BHop is one of the craftiest ring veterens ever, who can fight both inside and outside very well. Mundine won't be able to mix it up with Winky in close like Hop did, as he doesn't have a great inside game, and won't be able to outbox Winky either.

teke

07-29-2007, 11:10 PM

Mundine by UD.

jb1

07-29-2007, 11:14 PM

:patsch Mundine by UD.

teke

07-29-2007, 11:18 PM

Sounds like we watched a different fight then. When I watched the Hop v Wright fight, I saw winky getting off more, pushing Hopkins back and landing more consistently, right up unitl the end when hopkins just made it the dirtiest fight possible, constantly leading with his head and clinching. That said, BHop is one of the craftiest ring veterens ever, who can fight both inside and outside very well. Mundine won't be able to mix it up with Winky in close like Hop did, as he doesn't have a great inside game, and won't be able to outbox Winky either.You saw a diff fight than the one i saw 3 times. Hopkins clinched and roughed up but i didnt see Winky landing too much at all. Hopkins def landed the cleaner punches and fought very smart with his movement. Winky did the same ole thing, plod forward and cover up, it is very effective in scoring pts but was never going to work against Hopkins.

teke

07-29-2007, 11:19 PM

:patschI'll take and 6mth off the board bet if the fight ever happens :yep

MSTR

07-29-2007, 11:28 PM

I'll take and 6mth off the board bet if the fight ever happens :yep
Don't do off board bets they just ruin the site. 6 month avatar would be pretty bad, especially if it was a really good one. I would be up for that in a second, provided the match is made within the next year, which is highly unlikely.

teke

07-29-2007, 11:30 PM

Don't do off board bets they just ruin the site. 6 month avatar would be pretty bad, especially if it was a really good one. I would be up for that in a second, provided the match is made within the next year, which is highly unlikely.I got JB1s number. I would bet Mundine vs Ali (prime) and he'd still lose :lol::lol:

EelsRule

07-29-2007, 11:33 PM

You dont need to be active during a fight to beat Winky, Hopkins is hardly active, infact I would call him a stiff in the ring. I've yet to see him in a fight I've enjoyed.
Having said that Winky isnt going to fight Mundine, Mundines best bet would be to try to get sparing with a guy of this calibre. Hypothetically though, I believe Winky would win a close 12 rounder.

jb1

07-29-2007, 11:37 PM

I'll take and 6mth off the board bet if the fight ever happens :yep

lets up the ante if it ever happens loser leaves esb for good

teke

07-29-2007, 11:45 PM

lets up the ante if it ever happens loser leaves esb for goodDeal

KO Boxing

07-30-2007, 12:15 AM

I got JB1s number. I would bet Mundine vs Ali (prime) and he'd still lose :lol::lol:
:rofl :good

On Winky-Hopkins, I really wasn't impressed with Winky. Yes, he came forward and pushed the action. But he was 0% effective. And it looked as if I was not exagerrating that stat... 0%. I think I can remember possibly 3 or maybe 4 punches that actually landed clean. And 2 out of the 3 were jabs.

So other than coming forward and applying INeffective aggression (EFFECTIVE aggression is what counts), he did nothing for me... Hops an easy 8-4 in my view

MSTR

07-30-2007, 02:22 AM

lets up the ante if it ever happens loser leaves esb for good
Don't do that. Teke is a good poster it would be a shame to see him leave.

Marcus

07-30-2007, 02:27 AM

Mundine wins i hate to say. Winky is lookin a little old now and this would be a fight that Choc would prepare like a machine for.

Mundine wins UD

BoppaZoo

07-30-2007, 02:31 AM

i think this would be a close fight.

i mean Winky is getting older and he is starting to go on the slide.
as for Mundine he is very inconsistant. some nights he turns up and other nights he goes missing in his fights.

so against Winky he would have to fight like he did against Green and Soliman, because if he fights like he did against Kessler and Nievas he would lose to Winky.

i have to say they Winky looks like he struggles with bigger men than him and Mundine is naturally bigger and just as quick.

so me i would say

if this fight was Winky's last and took place in say Jan 2008 because they both just had fights and it would take that long to put a fight like this together.

i would say i would pick

Mundine in a close SD. thats how close it would be a feel.

EelsRule

07-30-2007, 04:25 AM

I'll take a one year avatar beat that the fight doesnt happen ever.

CarltonBlues

07-30-2007, 04:40 AM

I think Mundine easy, Winky belongs at 154lbs. Mundine holds all the advantages in this fight. He's faster, stronger and more powerful. Winky's main weapon is his jab and Mundine's speed would just take it away.

Super_Fly_Sam

07-30-2007, 05:48 AM

I Think Winky's Jab Would Give Mundine Alot Of Troubles... Especially If He Droubles And Triples Them Up

ashley

07-30-2007, 07:47 AM

I hope Mundine gets the full WBA and fights Wright.

Mundine will be 2 fast for him and will win by 4 or more rounds.

Sam gave wright a good fight Mundine bashed sam...do the math.

teke

07-30-2007, 11:08 AM

Don't do that. Teke is a good poster it would be a shame to see him leave.I wont lose this bet.

Noway does Winky beat Mundine, Im not saying this as a love struck nuthugger. I would even up the ante on the life time off-the-board bet and say that before leaving ESB i will post a pic of myself trying to give myself head :lol::deal

teke

07-30-2007, 12:51 PM

haha dont you still owe us a picture of your shaved nuts?Sorry mate that was TSR that said if Mundine KOs Sam then he'll show us his freshly shaved nuts

greenghost

07-30-2007, 01:15 PM

I think mundine would win an easy decision

greenghost

07-30-2007, 01:18 PM

I Think Winky's Jab Would Give Mundine Alot Of Troubles... Especially If He Droubles And Triples Them Up

I really dont see how any jab can upset mundines style:huh

MSTR

07-30-2007, 06:39 PM

I really dont see how any jab can upset mundines style:huh
Totally agree because the two of his most recent losses against Kessler and Siaca both came against shorter opponents who couldn't jab. Great post. ROFL.

MSTR

07-30-2007, 06:42 PM

for the people picking mundine i want to know how he's going to crack winky's defence...
I would also. He doesn't throw in combinations, isn't comfortable throwing punches in close quarters and doesn't have the movement of Hopkins or the physical strength of Taylor. All logic has gone straight out of the window in this one.

jb1

07-30-2007, 07:24 PM

just take a look at winky's victories against mundines and im sure u will see why he is a class above him

Dekkers

07-30-2007, 08:24 PM

Wrights guard isn't necesarily impregnable either, he doesn't really move his head all that much, his long arms and high guard are used to absord the punches. He's very difficult to hit cleanly, but with Winky there's always a chance a fast hard right hand is going to through the high guard at these higher weights and only be partially blocked (this imo is one of the reasons Taylor was capable of eeking out that much contested decision).

Mosely found a lot of success against Winky by following up the rights against Winky (who put his guard straight in front of him) with left hooks, Mundine is more than capable of doing similar things with a heavier, slowing Winky. Like I said before Winky doesn't have respectable supermiddleweight power so Mundine will be far more relaxed with his combinations. Mundine may not be as strong as Taylor but his strength will be more than a match for Winkys' regardless. Winkys reflexes are also fading as well as his speed, it may be a case of Mundine finding Winky more than some here believe due to sheer physical advantages, much the same way Taylor disposed of Hopkins.

jb1

07-30-2007, 08:30 PM

OK-I will bett with you,if Winky beats Mundine,i will go from the forum for good,but if Mundine wins you go for good?

wish i could cunter but winky wont fight mundine because outside australia mundine is a nobody and winky can finish his career against the likes of hopkins ect why fight a paper reserve grade claytons title holder

jb1

07-30-2007, 08:54 PM

OK ,so we bet -I say nobody will beat Mundine from the Middlewieght division, in the next three years if he goes down there, as he said he maybe will. Just remember his worth fighting whether you think so or not, his title is real. He is World Champion.The best boxer that ever came out of Australia no one can doubt it so take the bet deal or no deal????

what deal u twat they are not fighting mundine hasnt got a fight he has nothing to offer anyone until he branches out of australia and fights someone ranked in the top 10 he is going to fade away in the shadow of kess and jc

jb1

07-30-2007, 09:19 PM

because no one got the balls to fight him from the top 10.Middle or Super Middle.even Mikkel Kessler thinks he could be a threat.Look what happend to Sammy.but at least he had the Courage to try.

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Dr Gonzo

07-30-2007, 09:25 PM

that shows me your intelligance level.

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MSTR

07-30-2007, 10:17 PM

Thats awesome guys. I love seeing this retard get owned. It never gets old.

teke

07-30-2007, 10:37 PM

I would also. He doesn't throw in combinations, isn't comfortable throwing punches in close quarters and doesn't have the movement of Hopkins or the physical strength of Taylor. All logic has gone straight out of the window in this one.by movement you mean smart movement in the ring. Hagler and Hearns have both stated that Hopkins has sloppy footwork in the ring but in saying that they said he works hard on keeping to a plan against his opponent.

People underestimate Mundines physical strength as he hardly ever shows it. Im sure he is alot stronger than we give him credit for.

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 08:19 AM

teke

07-31-2007, 12:15 PM

Winky, Hopkins and Taylor are all as bad as each other -fullstop- It would be very American to simply rule out Mundine -fullstop- How do you Ozzies feel about the yanks disrespecting Australian legends like Tszyu, Mundine and Bika -questionmark-Bika :lol::lol:

Tony Mundine is a bigger boxing figure in Australia than Jnr is at the moment.

The Americans have a right to an opinion about our fighters as we do of theirs. I dont take it personally. They feel Sweet Pea would clown Kostya and I agree, what do you think Boppa?

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 07:03 PM

What -question mark- You consider Bika Cameroonian -question mark-

Americans hold Judah in a righer regard than Tszyu, both in and out of the ring -fullstop-

MSTR

07-31-2007, 07:05 PM

Winky, Hopkins and Taylor are all as bad as each other -fullstop- It would be very American to simply rule out Mundine -fullstop- How do you Ozzies feel about the yanks disrespecting Australian legends like Tszyu, Mundine and Bika -questionmark-
They disrespect Vic to an extent, but they love Katsidis. The yanks also hate their own fighters like Spinks and Taylor so they don't just do it to foreign fighters. When Calzaghe looks poor against limited opposition and Hatton holds too much I can understand their criticism, although some of them still severely underate the ability of both of these guys. Every single person on this board had bias for their countryman IMO without exception. The yanks are no worse then we are, or the danish posters, or the pinoys or the peurto ricans ect.

MSTR

07-31-2007, 07:07 PM

Mundine is underrated internationally but that is because they haven't seen much of him. He only has himself to blame for that one. If he fought on an overseas card like our other top fighters do I am sure they would realise that he is a talented fighter.

teke

07-31-2007, 11:20 PM

What -question mark- You consider Bika Cameroonian -question mark-

:lol:

Love your humour.

I dont consider Bika a legend :yep

MSTR

07-31-2007, 11:31 PM

:lol:

Love your humour.

I dont consider Bika a legend :yep
hahaha. Definitely stirring the pot. Not happy with the yanks obviously. I am suprised certain posters here haven't jumped at the opportunity.

boxa01

08-01-2007, 02:32 AM

mundine wins easily on points

jb1

08-01-2007, 02:38 AM

mundine wins easily on points

fuck off gav

EelsRule

08-01-2007, 03:58 AM

Hopkins is there to be beaten up in my view. He hasnt looked impressive once since I've taken an interest in boxing around the time Hopkins beat Tito (I didnt see the Tarver fight). I think it would be great if RJJ droped his arse on the deck for the count before they both retired.

pecks

08-02-2007, 03:45 PM

Mundine via UD. Should only be two or so rounds in it though.

ashley

08-05-2007, 05:11 AM

Read the news.

Mundine is the WBA World champ!

If anybody needs to understand this please read the f..... rankings.

Mundine is also SMW number 3 in the world.....again if you dont understand read the f..... rankings.

Mundine VS Wright will be great for SMW and I am sure that Wright would take the fight if he gets a chance.

I think Mundine will be a bit to fast for Wright now and should win by 3 or 4 rounds.

The big issue is can Mundien make any ground on Kess or Joe...at the moment I would say no.....if Mundine beats Wright then I may change my mind.

teke

08-05-2007, 06:14 AM

MSTR does not constantly condem Mundine only the huggers of the man.

He actually took on the whole of Denamrk in one memorable thread a few months back :yep

madpup

08-05-2007, 06:54 AM

I can not believe people here are saying that Mundine has a world championship 'belt' That belt is such bullshit

MSTR

08-05-2007, 06:40 PM

MSTR does not constantly condem Mundine only the huggers of the man.

He actually took on the whole of Denamrk in one memorable thread a few months back :yep
hahaha.... yeah a nice little 34 page thread that one. Once blocky got involved that was the end of it. Blocky would get a similar reception arriving in Denmark as Osamah Bin Laden would get flying into New York.