Boxers who say there from a country but thier not...

[chewy 22]

Irish Mickey Ward

Lennox Lewis

any others?

[bmf95b]

What are you talking about?

[H .]

:huh

[chewy 22]

iv had a few drinks but i know what i mean

you know, fighters like Zab Judah, who claims to be a ancient jewish african tribe, just to get an identidy

[Seamus]

there, their, they're... they sound alike but aren't.

[chewy 22]

this is probably the worlds greatest thread.

[Smazz20]

this is probably the worlds greatest thread.

It really is

[chewy 22]

It really is

:good

[Nawfal]

anthony mundine pretends to be black.

[Smazz20]

anthony mundine pretends to be black.

Where about is Black located?

[Club Fighter]

Yeah, Kostya Tszyu pretends to be Australian.

[GazOC]

Every American 'Irish' fighter for the last 50 years....

[chewy 22]

Every American 'Irish' fighter for the last 50 years....

we have a winner :hi:

i think even the irish find it cringeworthy

[Illmatic]

Ricky the manchester mexican Hatton

[CASH_718]

this is probably the worlds greatest thread.Your the worlds biggest jagoff.

[iceman]

iv had a few drinks but i know what i mean

you know, fighters like Zab Judah, who claims to be a ancient jewish african tribe, just to get an identidy

I'd say more than a few

[Sp_Immortal]

Yeah, Kostya Tszyu pretends to be Australian.

If he's a citizen, then he's Australian.

And Lennox Lewis was born in London

[chewy 22]

Your the worlds biggest jagoff.

A Jagoff? :rofl

[GazOC]

i think even the irish find it cringeworthy

We do....;)

[chewy 22]

We do....;)

:good John Duddy comin to the ring with every Irish stereotype in the book is hardly progress

[chewy 22]

wtf am i talking about?

[Nawfal]

Where about is Black located?

theyve spelt it wrong but nonetheless

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[Smazz20]

theyve spelt it wrong but nonetheless

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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Classic

[chewy 22]

What country does Lenny pretend to be from? I know he was actually born in Englad wasn't he? But raised much of his life in Canada.

whats wrong with your avatar?

[chewy 22]

Nothing, it's a character from the movie Blood in Blood Out. Good movie.

Ok, ill take your word for it. :thumbsup

to be honest, i dont know if Lennox, is English, British, Canadian or now American.

[Smazz20]

I think he actually holds citizenship in all three countries. But he was originally born in England and his parents are Jamaican, so he's of Jamaican decent. But was also raised much of his life in Canada after movie away from England at age 12 I believe.

Fuck all that shit can give a guy a headache.:nut

Not to mention, identity problems:yep

[Vantage_West]

iv had a few drinks but i know what i mean

what is this a private convosation:rofl

[Vantage_West]

If he's a citizen, then he's Australian.

And Lennox Lewis was born in Londonlives and still resides in london...

[Vantage_West]

Where about is Black located?:good

[chewy 22]

:good

i phrased thread title wrong, it should have been 'fighters with an identidy crisis'

that, however, is a bit cheesy

[GazOC]

irish micky ward is from lowell ma same place as me and he has never said he was from ireland you dope

So why the nickname? American Celtic wannabees are a joke.....fuckin' mongrels....

[GazOC]

he is of irish decent fuck wad:patsch

Doesn't make him Irish though does it? If you want to take that route we're all of African decent.

Celtic wannabees...get your own fucking heritage...:lol:

[BigEars]

we have a winner :hi:

i think even the irish find it cringeworthy

It sickens me tbh .

[AmazingHook]

Nothing, it's a character from the movie Blood in Blood Out. Good movie.

One of my favorite movies.:good

[GazOC]

If you are of Irish descent, why's it matter where you're born? As long as you're of Irish blood, you should be able to refer to yourself as Irish.

Calling yourself 'Irish' because your Great Great Great Grandfather on your mothers side was from Dublin.....:patsch

You're American. I know its not nice but just deal with it.;)

[BigEars]

If you are of Irish descent, why's it matter where you're born? As long as you're of Irish blood, you should be able to refer to yourself as Irish.

If someone has never been to or lived in Ireland they should only refer to themselves as Irish if they are of pure Irish blood(both parents are Irish) , other wise they are as Irish as those ornamental Irish cottages(which are actually made in China/Taiwan) .

[BigEars]

Why would I be ashmed to be American? We're the greatest country in the world :bart

So if my parents are both from China, but I was born in America, and I'm filling out an application, I'm not allowed to check "Asian" just because I wasnt born there? :huh

When someone says "I'm Irish", that does not automatically translate into "i'm from Ireland". It means "I'm of Irish descent"

If you ask them for their nationality, obviously they'll have to say "American"

If someone asks "what you are", they are reffering to your ancestry.. in which case, an Irish-American is allowed to say "I'm Irish"
Only in America , in the rest of the World , I'm Irish=nationality .
How come no American would ever respond with 'I'm British' to you're 'what are you question' even if they were of British decent ?

[GazOC]

If someone asks "what you are", they are reffering to your ancestry.. in which case, an Irish-American is allowed to say "I'm Irish"

So what makes them Irish? One Irish parent? 2 Irish Grandparents? I'd guess most so-called 'Irish-Americans' don't even have that?

What about the other nationalities in their gene pool, or do they just pick the one that suits them?

[GazOC]

Probably cause Brits hate Americans and vice versa...
More likely that 'Irish' is seen as being 'cool' in Boston/ NY?

[BigEars]

Probably cause Brits hate Americans and vice versa...
But think about it , only a select ethnic origins are given by people , Mexican , Porto Rican , Irish but never German , Australian , Portugeuse .

Some people are proud of their ethnic routs , nothing wrong with that .
However someone who has never been to Ireland and does not have two irish parents does not deserve the right to call themselves Irish . They have the right to call themselves of Irish descent(if they have that) or call themselves American(presuming they're American) and that's it .

[GazOC]

'Part Irish' Micky Ward doesn't quite have the same ring to it though....;)

[GazOC]

:yep

Do you know for a fact Micky only has one Irish parent?
I'd be willing to bet that he hasn't even got 1 Irish Grandparent.....

[barneyrub]

What country does Lenny pretend to be from? I know he was actually born in Englad wasn't he? But raised much of his life in Canada.He was born in London, England and left at age 12.

[RDJ]

Valuev claims to be from earth.

[GazOC]

let me guess your 100 percent irish

Nope, I'm English. My Dads Irish. See what I mean?

[surreal deal]

Every American 'Irish' fighter for the last 50 years..
..
:good

[Decebal]

Valuev claims to be from earth.

:lol: ...and poor Gaia will have none of it!

[nervousxtian]

Many Brits say they are British when asked, don't know why you think they don't.

[Decebal]

Many Brits say they are British when asked, don't know why you think they don't.

why wouldn't they, indeed!

[H .]

Valuev claims to be from earth.

:lol:

[andyZOR]

Valuev claims to be from earth.

Lol :lol::lol:

Anyways, Lewis is Jamacan, Canadian and British. He represented Canada in the Olympics and fought as a Brit as a professional.


Add to list:

Arthur Abraham ?

[SUNOF7]

Puerto Rico is not a country... it is a COMMONWEALTH... a welfare state of sorts that has changed hands from Spanish, British and now American control...

[Seamus]

let me guess your 100 percent irish

Well, most of the Irish in Ireland are bastard descendents of the Norsemen who kept kicking the shit out of the natives.

[MSTR]

Yeah, Kostya Tszyu pretends to be Australian.
He is an Australian citizen, so I would hardly call it pretending. He makes no secret that he lived most of his life in Russia.

[MSTR]

anthony mundine pretends to be black.
That he most certainly does. He also pretends to be Roy Jones, FLoyd Mayweather, A successful rapper and a political analyst, all of which he fails miserably at.

[BigEars]

Well, most of the Irish in Ireland are bastard descendents of the Norsemen who kept kicking the shit out of the natives.

We got rid of them eventually :yep(says the Irishman who has one side of his family descending from the Normans)


Btw nervousxtian no one said Brits don't say they are British when asked , what I said Americans descending from the British never say 'I'm British' when asked 'what they are' but they will say 'I'm Irish' .

[Loufatski]

What are you talking about?

Right... the word there and their were used wrong twice in one sentence.

[Thom]

there, their, they're... they sound alike but aren't.

:lol:

[Tu papa]

Puerto Rico is not a country... it is a COMMONWEALTH... a welfare state of sorts that has changed hands from Spanish, British and now American control...

:huh
PR has never been in Britsh hands. Also, we are a Country, just not a republic. We are sort of a Colony of the US since 1898, when we were a Colony of Spain.

Ironic, our people are sent to war in Iraq to bring DEMOCRACY to a country, and we are sent by a president that we have NO RIGHT to vote for.

Every federal law applies here, even though we dont have a congressman or senator to vote for those laws.

[Decebal]

:huh
PR has never been in Britsh hands. Also, we are a Country, just not a republic. We are sort of a Colony of the US since 1898, when we were a Colony of Spain.

Ironic, our people are sent to war in Iraq to bring DEMOCRACY to a country, and we are sent by a president that we have NO RIGHT to vote for.

Every federal law applies here, even though we dont have a congressman or senator to vote for those laws.

Knew things were bad...but taxation without representation?! How can you stand it? Throw some tea over board or something!

...or don't you guys really pay taxes after all?:lol:

[Theo]

What country does Lenny pretend to be from? I know he was actually born in Englad wasn't he? But raised much of his life in Canada.

its actaully about a 50% split, the UK till he was about 9 or 10 years of ages as far as i know, then to canada till he was 18 ish.

[iceman]

I been living in the states for 12 years and i don't mind Americans calling themselves Irish if they actually know where their parents/grandparents came from. What pisses me off are the idiots who have a name that sounds remotely Irish and who claim to be Irish yet have no idea when their ancestors came to America or what part they came from.

[Brickhaus]

If he's a citizen, then he's Australian.

And Lennox Lewis was born in London

So Oleg Maskaev is American?

Oh, and the Judahs really are descendent from an African Jewish tribe. It's not like he's claiming that he's African.

[grayggr]

Probably cause Brits hate Americans and vice versa...

I dont hate Americans.

David Bowie is scared of them though.

I think this issue re: Irish Americans/Identity is one of semantics. America has such a rich tapestry of cultures that they will commonly refer to themselves as African-American, Irish-American, Hispanic-American etc etc.

Over here in Blighty it's judged by what Passport you hold. Hence why if you have an American Passport but your parents are both Irish, we would still consider you to be American. There is a large Asian (India/****stan/Bangladesh rather than China/Japan etc) community in Britain with a lot of Asian kids born and bred here in the UK. I know several and they refer to themselves as being British. To use a Boxer take Amir Khan as an example. Of course their heritage is from elsewhere but they are British by virtue of being born and brought up here.

[Wige247]

iv had a few drinks but i know what i mean

you know, fighters like Zab Judah, who claims to be a ancient jewish african tribe, just to get an identidy

You fucking putz, Black Jews are a REAL religious group. He's not claiming it to be controversial or for a ring persona. That's the way he & his brothers were brought up. I'm pretty sure Yoel's also a Black Jew.

[Tu papa]

Knew things were bad...but taxation without representation?! How can you stand it? Throw some tea over board or something!

...or don't you guys really pay taxes after all?:lol:

No federal taxes, only state taxes. Other than that, nothing different from a 17th century colony.

Duing the obligatory service period a lot of puertorricans died in ww1 and 2 korea and vietnam, sent by a president and congress none of us get to chose.

BTW I'm pro american pro statehood for PR

[Theo]

Many Brits say they are British when asked, don't know why you think they don't.

90% of us would say "english" or "scotish" or "welsh" very few of us say we are brits, thats a american/canadian thing for the most part.

/Theo

[Irish Steel]

Mickey Ward was born in AMerica. But is of Irish Heritage. So he can call Himself "Irish" Mickey Ward if he pleases.

I was born in America. my dad was born in Ireland. ANd my moms side was born there too. So if someone asks me what "i am" I will say Im Irish.

[grayggr]

Mickey Ward was born in AMerica. But is of Irish Heritage. So he can call Himself "Irish" Mickey Ward if he pleases.

I was born in America. my dad was born in Ireland. ANd my moms side was born there too. So if someone asks me what "i am" I will say Im Irish.

An example of what I said above.

I'm quarter Irish, based on Grandparents being from the Republic, if someone asks what I am, I state I'm English. Although proud of my heritage and interested in it, I have never been to Ireland, was born and bred in Manchester, England.

[AmazingHook]

Valuev claims to be from earth.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[barneyrub]

So Oleg Maskaev is American?

Oh, and the Judahs really are descendent from an African Jewish tribe. It's not like he's claiming that he's African.Oleg Maskaev was most recently given citezenship of Russia, just to further confuse matters.

[nezy37]

I think one aspect of why Irish americans are so quick to idetify themselves as Irish may be because there used to be a large amount of anti-catholic\irish sentiment in the u.s. Therefore the pride their parents had in standing up to that is passed down through the generations.

[Loufatski]

Bottom line, true Americans are the Indian folk. Then, the next Americans were the first settlers from Europe, which consisted of the Dutch, English, German and Polish.

[david6w]

It is clear as day!!

Arthur Abraham is Germenian

Vic Darchinyan is Australmenian

Lennox is CanadiEnglish

Hatton is "Mexican"???

Vlad is Ukranian

Gatti is CanadiAmerican

Kostya Tszyu no longer Russian

Maskaev is AmeriRussian

Ponce de Leon is nativexican

Bernard Dunne is Irish

Calcraphe is a Whale (not to be confused with English)

Pac is filipino

Pedro Frenandez is Mexican.

Any questions?

[chewy 22]

You fucking putz, Black Jews are a REAL religious group. He's not claiming it to be controversial or for a ring persona. That's the way he & his brothers were brought up. I'm pretty sure Yoel's also a Black Jew.

apologies. i read an article by budd schulberg saying the Judahs werent really Jews, but then Budd is a bit of a cunt anyway :good

Btw Im Scottish, My great grandparents are Irish, but i dont pretend to be Irish, i just support the Tic

[GazOC]

Mickey Ward was born in AMerica. But is of Irish Heritage. So he can call Himself "Irish" Mickey Ward if he pleases.

I was born in America. my dad was born in Ireland. ANd my moms side was born there too. So if someone asks me what "i am" I will say Im Irish.

Nah, you're American so is Ward....'Moms side' is kind of vague as well. They were all born there? She was born there? Some of them were born there?

[Irish Steel]

Nah, you're American so is Ward....'Moms side' is kind of vague as well. They were all born there? She was born there? Some of them were born there?

Everyone but my mom was born there.

And I believe that there are no true americans. Unless you are american indian. Or if your great great great great etc etc parents moved here, and the rest of the family was born america. Then i guess you could be called american. But I can clearly trace my roots to ireland, and my dad was born there, and all of my grandparents were too, then im Irish.

But if i travel outside of USA, to a country which has its own indigenous people and hasnt been colonized, i consider myself american.

But in america, I say im Irish.

[Irish Steel]

Nah, you're American so is Ward....'Moms side' is kind of vague as well. They were all born there? She was born there? Some of them were born there?

Yes ward was born in america. But he has Irish heritage. So he is still Irish. If I were polish, and my whole family polish too, boirn in poland aswell, had a kid in mexico, do you consider him mexican?

[GazOC]

Nah, a dog born in a stable isn't a horse. But to me if you havn't got any Irish (grand)parents then just accept you're not Irish. His parents (and probably grandparents) were born in America, so was he...he's American.

Ginger hair and a O' before your name doesn't make you Irish.

[Suge Green]

Oleg "I'm Russian Now" Maskaev...

This guy was supposedly proud of being an American, and acted as though he were offended by the Rahman-Maskaev bout being billed as "America's Last Line of Defense." He was so genuine, that shortly after obtaining Russian citizenship, he says "I'm Russian...(and says that's all he cares to say on the subject)"

Russians would be smart to turn their backs on this guy like he did to them already. No matter, the KLITs are the former Soviet's "real champs" anyways.

I have more respect for the KLIT"s than this lucky imitation cinderella man...Baldomir is this generation's real Cinderella Man.

[Irish Steel]

Nah, a dog born in a stable isn't a horse. But to me if you havn't got any Irish (grand)parents then just accept you're not Irish. His parents (and probably grandparents) were born in America, so was he...he's American.

Ginger hair and a O' before your name doesn't make you Irish.

I have 4 Born in Ireland Grandparents, mom born in america, and Dad born in Irlenad. Therefor Im Irish.

[iceman]

When an American says they are Irish he means of Irish decent.This is how Americans distinguish themselves whether they are Irish-Americans,Italian Americans or Polish-Americans. How does Irish-American Mickey Ward sound ?- stupid right.So its just Irish Mickey Ward.
It doesn't bother me if Irish Steel calls himself Irish even though he is primarily an American - at least he knows where all of his relatives come from.

[Irish Steel]

Yes in america, i call myself Irish, to differentiate my self from the italians, germans, and polish in my area. But when i am traveling to another country, i consider myself an american. Because i was bon here. Although i do have duel citizenship. Irish and american.

[C.J.Rock]

Irish Mickey Ward

Lennox Lewis

any others?

Lennox Lewis was born in London England which not only makes him British but a cockney to boot !!!!!!!! Arise Sir Lennox !!!!!!!!!
:rofl :nut :patsch :good :-( :huh

[ripcity]

Max Bear wasn't Jewish. He did have Jewish ansistory but I'm not sure if it was his Mothers or Fathers side. This matters from a orthdox view point.
He was not raised Jewish. I have read a quote from eather his trainer or manger haveing seen him in the shower conferming that he wasn't Jewish.
Don't get excited it means he was not circimsised.

[paulfv]

Like Lennox Lewis? Canadian-Jamaican-British-Martian-...

[Smazz20]

Muhammed Ali was Irish!!

[tpuz]

It has always bothered me how pro-Mexican and anti-American Oscar is. He was born and raiesd in America, but you would think he was born, raised and lives in Mexico.

[Smokin'Joe100]

Both of my Grandparents, my Mother, and Father, were born in Ireland. I'm only 20 but lived in Ireland on my Uncles farm from when i was 10 until i was 18. But i was born in England, and live in England now, and i will always love and respect my Irish heritage, but i am English, and nothing else.

[Stewbear]

Both of my Grandparents, my Mother, and Father, were born in Ireland. I'm only 20 but lived in Ireland on my Uncles farm from when i was 10 until i was 18. But i was born in England, and live in England now, and i will always love and respect my Irish heritage, but i am English, and nothing else.

Just because you were born there?
Amazing anyone would want to be considered English:lol: