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Piffer
06-20-2007, 08:58 PM
Just for the sake of gauging boxing's popularity over there, I wonder this. By comparison, Jermain Taylor is the undisputed middleweight champ, and I would be very generous if I were to say that 25% of US citizens know who he is. Would you consider Joe Calzaghe to be what we call crossover in England?
China_hand_Joe
06-20-2007, 09:01 PM
He has been on ITV a few times...so the name probably rings a bell, without anyone actually having a clue about any real details beyond he is a good-looking boxer.
Arthur
06-20-2007, 09:05 PM
wait a minute, i'd say at least 50% of Brits know who Hatton is.
Piffer
06-20-2007, 09:06 PM
So with neither fighter having crossover qualities even within their homelands, why would a fight between the two seem so enticing? I would think that fights between Calzaghe and Kessler as well as Taylor versus Pavlik would attract just as much of an audience and thus money.
BigEars
06-20-2007, 09:07 PM
So with neither fighter having crossover qualities even within their homelands, why would a fight between the two seem so enticing? I would think that fights between Calzaghe and Kessler as well as Taylor versus Pavlik would attract just as much of an audience and thus money.

I'm not British but I could tell you Calzaghe would be very well known in Wales and fairly well known in Britain . But it's nothing near like Ottke in Germany .

Calzaghe would be much better known in Britain than Taylor is in the states .
Arthur
06-20-2007, 09:10 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl

There are 60+ million people in Britain. Hatton's highest ever viewing figure is 350,000

thats pretty fuckin stupid logic.
There's 270 million americans and yet only two and a half million americans ordered the De la Hoya fight with Mayweather. Most americans must not know who De La Hoya is.
retard :deal
sandwichsurgeon
06-20-2007, 09:12 PM
The average Londoner can't remember their own name
thunder06
06-20-2007, 09:13 PM
I'd say that at least half of all americans know who de la hoya is.
sandwichsurgeon
06-20-2007, 09:13 PM
I don't know anybody who has heard of Ricky Hatton outside of boxing and outside of die-hard boxing fans

Anyone that has played Fight Night knows Ricky Hatton
achillesthegreat
06-20-2007, 09:21 PM
Most Londoners who are interested in sport know Joe Calzaghe. It's whether they want to switch the tv on to see him that is the issue. Calzaghe is in London Lite, London Newspaper and The Metro every now and again. That is three free newspapers available to everyone on the tube all over London. If you are interested in sport you will see him in the back pages.

Calzaghe is on sports shows like Question of Sport, Sports Personality of the Year etc

Londoners who are sport fans do know of him. I'd say 95% of my work collegues know who is but that is partly because of me. :D
A-50
06-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Joe Calzaghe is the premier fighter in the world today. He will embarrass Kessler.
Arthur
06-20-2007, 09:23 PM
heres another question: Does Joe Calzaghe know the average Londoner?
achillesthegreat
06-20-2007, 09:25 PM
Kessler-Calzaghe is a 50-50 fight. If someone gets embarrassed it is because the man who administred the whooping is a BAAAD MAN!
BigEars
06-20-2007, 09:25 PM
Anyone that has played Fight Night knows Ricky Hatton
Although Hatton has only had one fight shown on terrestrial ,a delayed showing of his fight with Urango a week after it happened was shown late at night and with little advertisement(still probably topped the 350,000 he got while on SKY) he has been on things like Late Night with Jonathon Ross , The Weakest Link , among other programmes on BBC . He has also been nominated for BBC Sports Personality of the Year in 2005 and 2006 .
achillesthegreat
06-20-2007, 09:32 PM
Hatton was quality on Jonathon Ross. He showed all the other boxers how to loosen up and do an interview. All the other boxers are SO boring for mainstream viewers. Typical questions over and over. Hatton livens it up a bit. Khan was on Ross and flopped in comparison. Calzaghe is quite awful in comparison.
China_hand_Joe
06-20-2007, 09:33 PM
You had to feel sorry for the kid on Jonathan Ross, everyone was like 'who the fuck is that??' while Hatton's acting as if he's in his local boozer and everyone knows him. Guy's deludedYou make that sound pretty bad. Are you being deceptive mate?
BigEars
06-20-2007, 09:33 PM
You had to feel sorry for the kid on Jonathan Ross, everyone was like 'who the fuck is that??' while Hatton's acting as if he's in his local boozer and everyone knows him. Guy's deluded

I'm starting to get the sense you don't like him .
BigEars
06-20-2007, 09:55 PM
I love Ricky, but I do think he has issues. And all he ever seems to come out with is 'Ricky Hatton's just one of you', 'Ricky Hatton just likes a pie and a pint', 'Ricky Hatton's humble', 'Ricky Hatton's modest', 'Ricky Hatton knows the fans just want two blokes laying into eachother then having a pie and a pint with them after', etc, over and over and over

Give it a rest mate, Please

The problem is pretty much every member of the press says it when they are either talking to him or about him , so the it gets stuck into Ricky's head and he keeps mentioning it himself .
It is a bit annoying , but at least it's true .
huki
06-20-2007, 10:19 PM
Just for the sake of gauging boxing's popularity over there, I wonder this. By comparison, Jermain Taylor is the undisputed middleweight champ, and I would be very generous if I were to say that 25% of US citizens know who he is. Would you consider Joe Calzaghe to be what we call crossover in England?
You would be generous if you were to say that 25% of US citizens know who Taylor is? You would be generous if you were to say that 0.25% knew that he was even a boxer!
IntentionalButt
06-20-2007, 10:23 PM
I'd say that at least half of all americans know who de la hoya is.
Maybe. You take into account all types of people from all walks of life, I think the only boxers you can confidently say more than half the public knows as household names are Tyson and Ali (maybe Foreman). DLH is a name that anyone who a) is remotely into boxing, b) knows someone who's passionately into boxing, or c) is into sports period - will know. a+b+c does not = 1/2 the population.
thunder06
06-21-2007, 01:10 AM
Maybe. You take into account all types of people from all walks of life, I think the only boxers you can confidently say more than half the public knows as household names are Tyson and Ali (maybe Foreman). DLH is a name that anyone who a) is remotely into boxing, b) knows someone who's passionately into boxing, or c) is into sports period - will know. a+b+c does not = 1/2 the population.

That's not true. People who have friends that are sports fans, boxing fans, or watch tv at all know who de la hoya is. i work at a grocery store in a small northern california town and there were women in their 60's talking to me about how they were going to watch the fight with their husbands, sons, etc. de la hoya is very well known.
IntentionalButt
06-21-2007, 01:17 AM
That's not true. People who have friends that are sports fans, boxing fans, or watch tv at all know who de la hoya is. i work at a grocery store in a small northern california town and there were women in their 60's talking to me about how they were going to watch the fight with their husbands, sons, etc. de la hoya is very well known.
ok well that's Cali (not to mention the inescapable heavy multimedia promotion that preceded FMJ-DLH...but that kind of awareness goes in one ear and out the other of non-fans). you think soccermom housewives in Nebraska know who he is? or homeless guys on the streets of Raleigh? high school kids in Bangor? in the big picture boxing is pretty fringe. names like ali have endured from the time that it wasn't. the only name to have really truly penetrated the collective frame of reference since, is Tyson. DLH is easily the closest behind Mike, but I just don't think he has that kind of name recognition.
deram
06-21-2007, 01:22 AM
Probably 80% would know Kessler in his home country. Last year he was voted sportsman of the year. Not boxer of the year, but sportsman of the year. How many other boxer has that?

I can only imagine Pac might have. Noone else.
Piffer
06-21-2007, 01:45 AM
Both undefeated Ring Magazine champions? Has that ever happened??

But Taylor fucked up against Spinks

It's a sign of the times, my friend.
Piffer
06-21-2007, 01:49 AM
Calzaghe would be much better known in Britain than Taylor is in the states .

You see thats what I was looking for when I started this thread. Thank you
Piffer
06-21-2007, 01:52 AM
I'd say that at least half of all americans know who de la hoya is.

Mmmmmm perhaps that might be a bit liberal. Give or take you're probably right though. De La Hoya, Tyson, Lewis, and Holyfield are the only names people might recognize in boxing as far as the US goes, and they are all fighters of a bygone era! Mayweather is doing well enough, but his style gets progressively more boring as he moves up in weight and adjusts his style. He's also not particularly likeable, and he is already talking retirement.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 05:20 AM
wait a minute, i'd say at least 50% of Brits know who Hatton is.

I think at most 50% of British blokes who are supposed to be into sport would say they had heard of him but only down the pub, in front of their mates...:verysad
theHawtness
06-21-2007, 06:04 AM
calzaghe is god in britain. end of thread
Decebal
06-21-2007, 06:10 AM
calzaghe is god in britain. end of thread

yeah, but only 6.3% of British people go to Church...

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achillesthegreat
06-21-2007, 07:29 AM
Probably 80% would know Kessler in his home country. Last year he was voted sportsman of the year. Not boxer of the year, but sportsman of the year. How many other boxer has that?

I can only imagine Pac might have. Noone else.
Calzaghe and Hatton were among the 6 or 7 sports personalities to be nominated.

The ones who won in the end were a joke. Without being biased none of them deserved to be above Calzaghe.
Carlos Primera
06-21-2007, 10:51 AM
Calzaghe's a fringe attraction in the UK. Amir Khan's more famous. Audley Harrison's more famous.
i feel bad for joe, a china chinned fraud and a (possible) china chinned prospect get more press than the best SMW of the past 10 years.
Amsterdam
06-21-2007, 10:53 AM
i feel bad for joe, a china chinned fraud and a (possible) china chinned prospect get more press than the best SMW of the past 10 years.

Exactly. If the country had got behind Joe after he defeated Eubank, I garauntee you it would have helped Joe get better matches, win or lose, he would have showed the warrior inside.
yesihavearm
06-21-2007, 10:58 AM
I live in London and i'd say that the average Londoner who is interested in sports would know who Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton were. Outside of people with a knowledge of sports im not so sure. But the same could be said for any sports people who are not in the public eye 24/7
Fat Tony
06-21-2007, 11:01 AM
But that's Norway or wherever :lol:

Are they even real people in Germany and Scandinavia? To me they just seem like robots

Norway, Germany, Denmark, Scandinavia: all the same.
Are there even real people where you live? Or are they all brainless?
Fat Tony
06-21-2007, 11:05 AM
Probably 80% would know Kessler in his home country. Last year he was voted sportsman of the year. Not boxer of the year, but sportsman of the year. How many other boxer has that?

I can only imagine Pac might have. Noone else.

Henry Maske was voted sportsman of the year in 1993.
And I'm afraid, he'll be sportsman of the year 2007, too. :nut