how many NON U.S heavywieght champions were there?

[Vantage_West]

ints rather interesting actually

[rekcutnevets]

I don't really care about finding out who has all the alphabet bodie's belts, I'll list who I consider to be real champions.

Tommy Burns
Max Schmeling
Primo Carnera
Ingemar Johansson
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

My list of American champions is also a little shorter than most.

I will give the organization listed in my signature more credability in their champions, if they update often enough.

[janitor]

Britain has produced 2

Canada has produced 1

Germany has produced 1 (should have been 2 when Shultz fought Foreman)

Italy has produced 1

Sweden has produced 1

[My dinner with Conteh]

Germany has produced 1 (should have been 2 when Shultz fought Foreman)


Bad verdict. I felt really bad for Schultz that night.

[My dinner with Conteh]

By the way, the list would be a bit different if all the fights hadn't been staged in the US.

[ChrisPontius]

Germany has produced 1 (should have been 2 when Shultz fought Foreman)


Good point, Schulz is often overlooked. Decent contender, had a pretty close fight with Moorer too if memory serves me well. Was he the one Foreman dropped his title for and payed 25.000 to fight an even lesser skilled opponent?



I wonder when Holland will produce its first heavyweight champ. I had my hopes on Richel Hersisia.
When i found out his nickname was "The Dutch Sonny Liston", i lost half my hope.
I lost the other half when he lost in 4 to Audley Harrison.

[Duodenum]

I don't really care about finding out who has all the alphabet bodie's belts, I'll list who I consider to be real champions.

Tommy Burns
Max Schmeling
Primo Carnera
Ingemar Johansson
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

My list of American champions is also a little shorter than most.

I will give the organization listed in my signature more credability in their champions, if they update often enough.
Does this mean you exclude Fitzsimmons?

[TBooze]

Good point, Schulz is often overlooked. Decent contender, had a pretty close fight with Moorer too if memory serves me well.

Strongly disagree Schultz was very very ordinary IMO.

Yes he had an unlucky decision loss with a 46 year old man...

Makes up for the out out robbery when Henry Akinwande had to make do with a 'draw' in their first fight. And that was not so much an unlucky decision as to be so much biased towards Schultz that it could be considered sinister...

Schultz was on par with a Tangsted, Eklund or Zanon IMO.

[Dempsey1238]

By the way, the list would be a bit different if all the fights hadn't been staged in the US.

Not sure on that, I think Jeff would have still beating Fitz, no matter were they fought.

Baer would have hammer Carnea in pretty much the same way. And Louis may have still goting the win over Tommy Far, also he still destorys Schemling.

Marciano would have still beating Cockell.

Ali had his fights with Cooper over seas.

Holyfiled also would have won, and Tyson still would have ko Brouno.

[Vantage_West]

im just saying it's surprising few methinks

[Asterion]

--

Fitzsimmons - Britain - Lineal
Schmeling - Germany - Lineal
Carnera - Italy - Lineal
Johansson - Sweden - Lineal
Lewis - Britain - Lineal


Burns - Canada - Claimant
V. Klitschko - Ukraine - Claimant

[Bigcat]

Axel should have claimed for damages, he probably has a great case following the IBF investigation admissions a few years ago....

Bob W Lee allowed everyone to line his pockets......

[rekcutnevets]

Good looking out, Duodenum. I didn't even think of him for some reason.

My list should have said:

Bob Fitzsimmons
Tommy Burns
Max Schmeling
Primo Carnera
Ingemar Johansson
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

You can also make an argument for Frank Bruno. He did beat McCall after Mcall defeated Lewis. I didn't really consider Lewis to be the dominant champion at that time. I think Lewis went on to prove all time great status as a heavyweight; but I was considering the real championship to reside with Holyfield, then Bowe, then Holyfield, and so on.

[Dempsey1238]

Thats because Holyfiled beat Douglas,(Who beat Tyson. who beat Spinks, Holmes ete)

Thats WHY the real title went to Holyfiled, than Bowe, than back to Evander, than onto Moore, Foreman and Briggs. Than Lewis.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Not sure on that, I think Jeff would have still beating Fitz, no matter were they fought.

Baer would have hammer Carnea in pretty much the same way. And Louis may have still goting the win over Tommy Far, also he still destorys Schemling.

Marciano would have still beating Cockell.

Ali had his fights with Cooper over seas.

Holyfiled also would have won, and Tyson still would have ko Brouno.


I was referring to the fact that the US seemed to have carte blanche over venues, irrespective of nationality, i.e. A Nigerian fighting a Ukranian in the States. If, say, France had all the fight money in the 20th century, then you'd have seen a few different champs. Some people don't travle as well as others.

[Duodenum]

Good looking out, Duodenum. I didn't even think of him for some reason.

My list should have said:

Bob Fitzsimmons
Tommy Burns
Max Schmeling
Primo Carnera
Ingemar Johansson
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

You can also make an argument for Frank Bruno. He did beat McCall after Mcall defeated Lewis. I didn't really consider Lewis to be the dominant champion at that time. I think Lewis went on to prove all time great status as a heavyweight; but I was considering the real championship to reside with Holyfield, then Bowe, then Holyfield, and so on.

No prob. (My addled mind is riddled with blind spots. You'll find me missing, overlooking, and reversing aplenty.)

[janitor]

--
Burns - Canada - Claimant
V. Klitschko - Ukraine - Claimant

If claimants are fair game then-

Jake Kilrain - Ireland
Tom Sharkey - Ireland
Peter Maher - Ireland

[DamonD]

Good point, Schulz is often overlooked. Decent contender, had a pretty close fight with Moorer too if memory serves me well. Was he the one Foreman dropped his title for and payed 25.000 to fight an even lesser skilled opponent?
Yes, he was. Foreman dropped his WBA strap instead of fighting Tucker, then his IBF instead of a rematch with Schulz.

As for Moorer-Schulz...I had it an 8-4 for Moorer. I don't know why on earth that judge had Schulz winning it, but it was a pretty dull fight so maybe that was part of it. Really, it was a case of Moorer getting lazy in there for a few rounds rather than Schulz making a big comeback or anything, but it still seemed a clear UD to me.

But Foreman-Schulz, yeah, Axel was hard done by that night.
He should've been on the ist of non-US HW champs. Interesting that there are so few guys on it, isn't it?

[fists of fury]

Former WBA champion Gerrie Coetzee is probably crying at that thought of being forgotten...

[barneyrub]

I don't really care about finding out who has all the alphabet bodie's belts, I'll list who I consider to be real champions.

Tommy Burns
Max Schmeling
Primo Carnera
Ingemar Johansson
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

My list of American champions is also a little shorter than most.

I will give the organization listed in my signature more credability in their champions, if they update often enough.Vitali Klitschko, frank Bruno

[sadlittleboy]

From Corbett to modern day:
Pre split
Fitzsimmons (Britain/New Zealand)
Burns (Canada)
Schmeling (Germany)
Carnera (Italian)
Johansson (Sweden)

post split
Gerrie Coetzee (South Africa)
Berbick (Canada/Jamaica)
Damiani (Italian)
Lewis (Britain)
Hide (Britain)
Bruno (Britain)
Akinwande (Britain)
V. Klitschko (Ukraine)
W. Klitschko (Ukraine)
Sanders (South Africa)
Valuev (Russia)
Liakhovich (Belarus)
Maskaev (Russia)
Chagaev (Uzbekistan)
Ibragimov (Russia)
Peter (Nigeria)
Haye (Britain)
Povetkin (Russia)

Think that's everyone :)

[mattdonnellon]

If claimants are fair game then-

Jake Kilrain - Ireland
Tom Sharkey - Ireland
Peter Maher - Ireland

Love to claim him but Kilrain was American.
BTW the claims of Maher and Sharkey are nearly always overlooked but are as good(or bad) as loads of the post 1980's mob.

[TBooze]

Fitzsimmons (Britain/New Zealand)


Actually Fitzsimmons was a citizen of the USA when he stepped into the ring with Corbett...

[johnmaff36]

Jesus, i cant believe all you guys still havent mentioned the stand out one. Mr Ivan Drago.

[TBooze]

Jesus, i cant believe all you guys still havent mentioned the stand out one. Mr Ivan Drago.

He lost his title shot!

[mcvey]

If claimants are fair game then-

Jake Kilrain - Ireland
Tom Sharkey - Ireland
Peter Maher - Ireland
Or, if you only include those who gave all contenders regardless of colour a title chance.:think

[sadlittleboy]

Actually Fitzsimmons was a citizen of the USA when he stepped into the ring with Corbett...

Everyone wants to claim poor Fitzy!