Boxing vs MMA credibility wise.

[conditioner101]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.

[Blue145]

2-1 is his UFC record though is it not? doesn't mean he's had 3 fights in his life.

[Relentless]

What do you think of kermit cintron leaving manny stewards?

[san rafael]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.

That's pretty much what it comes down to - for the serious fighters who compete in that sport at least, there's no question that's absolutely correct. These MMA fighters make chicken feed compared to the salary of a top boxer.

[conditioner101]

What do you think of kermit cintron leaving manny stewards? It validates what I always said, kermits problems are not physical, they are mental. No trainer can fix the fact the Kermit is weak mentally. He needs to go with thre Tin Man and visit the great and powerful OZ. Kermit has all the tools to be one of the best fighters ever. Unfortunately he is a front runner. He will be trouble for anyone that allows him to get confident. That is when his true talent comes out. If a guy can take a few shots from Kermit and not show any ill affects and crack him back a few times hard enought to make him think Kermit will most likely fold.

[psychopath]

Credibility wise ????

I don't see fighters in MMA mentioning money as an excuse not to fight dangerous opponents. MMA fighters claims they are the best in the division only when they have fought and won against the best or when they have the belt in their waist . . . unlike in boxing where we have fighters who proclaims themselves as the best while they are ignoring challengers call. :deal

So who do you honestly think has more credibility? :D

[sinosleep]

I'm a bigger fan of boxing than mma but come on, at least in MMA the guys actually fucking FIGHT each other. That's the reason so many of them have mediocre records, the best are forced to fight the best in the UFC. You don't get guys padding their records to 25 - 0 by fighting tomato cans before stepping up. They are thrown to the wolves from the get go.

[sinosleep]

Either that or there's no legitmate talent in it.

Even if that were true, they're all still fighting each other. I don't remember the last time a champ got by on fighting scrubs while ducking the next guy in line.

[nezy37]

That's pretty much what it comes down to - for the serious fighters who compete in that sport at least, there's no question that's absolutely correct. These MMA fighters make chicken feed compared to the salary of a top boxer.

I would say alot of them are like that but many are trained primarily in martial arts.

One thing I see that is pretty obvious is the difference in pure athletic ability for the most part.

[thewoo]

David Reid was a world champion in his 11th fight as a pro and fighting a hall of famer in felix trinidad for his 14th fight. I know that is not as bad as 2-1 but the gold medal is what did it for him.

Were there better guys than Lesnar that could have fought tonight? Sure but his name means big money.

[cdnboxing]

2-1 is his UFC record though is it not? doesn't mean he's had 3 fights in his life.

Nope, hes 1-1 in the UFC, 2-1 in MMA.

Lesnar is literally fighting for a title after THREE MMA fights.

[cdnboxing]

I'm a bigger fan of boxing than mma but come on, at least in MMA the guys actually fucking FIGHT each other. That's the reason so many of them have mediocre records, the best are forced to fight the best in the UFC. You don't get guys padding their records to 25 - 0 by fighting tomato cans before stepping up. They are thrown to the wolves from the get go.

MMA fighters fight plenty of cans. Many of them are fighting in lower-tier organizations and get called to the UFC.

The myth that boxers fight 30 cans before they get a title shot is completely inaccurate. They fight guys with different styles. Pavlik fought brawlers, boxers, southpaws, in-fighters, punchers as he progressed up the ranks.

Amir Khan is a perfect example of being thrown to the wolves too soon. Its what happens in boxing when you're thrown into the fire too quickly.

Meanwhile in MMA, you can progress much faster. If you had moderate athleticism, get with a good camp and work hard you can go very far in the sport with limited experience. This past years TUF reality show winner Amir Sadollah has no PROFESSIONAL fights and is now fighting in the UFC.

MMA handpicks opponents as well. Dana White is no different from Don King or Bob Arum. White has his cash cows and wont risk them to lower-rank fighters. He puts his top guys in with people their supposed to beat.

[cdnboxing]

Even if that were true, they're all still fighting each other. I don't remember the last time a champ got by on fighting scrubs while ducking the next guy in line.

People duck each other in MMA, all the time.

[Aniki]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.

Don't be fooled. This fight is about making money. Lesnar doesn't deserve a title shot. Most MMA fans are pissed at this matchup. It's also worth noting that most of the best heavyweights aren't even in the UFC. So there you go.

[the cobra]

Lesner fighting Couture would be purely based on money, Lesner is a name and the fight will be a big event.

Apart from that, the reasons guys in MMA with not many fights fight guys with a lot of fights is due to the fact that most mixed martial artists are experienced in one discipline such as jiu-jitsu, sambo, wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai, etc and go into MMA with a good background in one of those arts. BJ Penn has been taking on world class guys since his MMA debut because he was so experienced in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

[BobDigi5060]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.

The best are actually fighting the best in MMA. We can't say that about boxing with the promoters, belts, regional belts, etc. No young MMA star has a record like Chavez jr. A televised UFC card is much more competitive than HBO's showcases and PPVs over the past few years. Boxing by far has the weaker PPVs. Boxing is sick.

I like boxing too but don't hate on MMA just because it's different.

[bruce_keyes]

so many of them have mediocre records

and then there's Fedor

[goldnarms]

People duck each other in MMA, all the time.
Please give an example of an MMA fighter who ducked another? Since they are not largly responsible for the matchmaking I dont understand how that could be possible. Please give an example? Since it happens "all the time" you should be able to give quite a few.

[sinosleep]

MMA fighters fight plenty of cans. Many of them are fighting in lower-tier organizations and get called to the UFC.

The myth that boxers fight 30 cans before they get a title shot is completely inaccurate. They fight guys with different styles. Pavlik fought brawlers, boxers, southpaws, in-fighters, punchers as he progressed up the ranks.

Amir Khan is a perfect example of being thrown to the wolves too soon. Its what happens in boxing when you're thrown into the fire too quickly.

Meanwhile in MMA, you can progress much faster. If you had moderate athleticism, get with a good camp and work hard you can go very far in the sport with limited experience. This past years TUF reality show winner Amir Sadollah has no PROFESSIONAL fights and is now fighting in the UFC.

MMA handpicks opponents as well. Dana White is no different from Don King or Bob Arum. White has his cash cows and wont risk them to lower-rank fighters. He puts his top guys in with people their supposed to beat.
And that's my point, once they get to the UFC, they don't get 25 fights against tomato cans. Sure, in lower tier organizations before they're put on television they fight plenty of tomato cans, but how many fighters, while actually fighting in the UFC, have you seen fighting scrubs while not fighting other top fighters in their division? Not only that, but they start over at 0 - 0 when they make the show. Which in and of itself takes care of inflated records.

Secondly, it's not at all a myth that boxers have a tendency to pad their records. If you believe otherwise you are sadly mistaken. Goodness just look at the resume thread I started last night. There have been two or three names mentioned as having good resumes, Ali and SRL. Since 19 friggen 60! In this day and age fighters are considered to have good resumes for having two or three names on a resume consisting of 30 + fights. That is absolutely fucking ludicrous. If you look at most fighter's resumes you'll see they are loaded with losing records, pre-school KO percentages, and guys that went on to do a whle lot of nothing in their careers. Fighters and promoters are placing far too much emphasis on paper titles and protecting their zeros instead of fighting the best in their divisions.

Third, what happened to Khan had fuck all to do with being thrown to the wolves to early. Khan has had a suspect chin for a long, LONG time. The guy got floored BADLY in the amatures by a light hitter. He got put on his ass twice more by two other light hitters. They could have waited 10 years to step Khan up and the result would have been the same. The fact of the matter is that most of the elite in practically any weight class can bang, and Khan was NEVER going to have a good chance against them.

And lastly, your statement that White puts his stars up against chumps is absolute bs and you know it. Just look at Henderson, Ortiz, Liddel, Penn, etc, etc, etc. Practically EVERY major star in UFC has suffered losses against good competition becuase they are actually FORCED to fight each other.

When it comes to that boxing is an outright sham. The organizations are so busy trying to protect their fighters that they seem to NEVER attempt to unify. In my opinion, there should be at the very least one unification tournament a year per division.

[Rocky2k5]

Even if that were true, they're all still fighting each other. I don't remember the last time a champ got by on fighting scrubs while ducking the next guy in line.


Tito Ortiz avoided top contenders but besides him I think your pretty much right.

[sinosleep]

Tito Ortiz avoided top contenders but besides him I think your pretty much right.
No, Tito Ortiz avoided ONE man, who he wound up fighting twice any way. Before fighting him he fought Mezger, Shamrock (Frank, the better Shamrock in my opinion), and Silva back to back to back.

[sinosleep]

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[boxingcar]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.

You're an idiot. No better than a creationist giving bogus explainations about how god created the universe. The UFC isn't MMA for one.

If the UFC = mma that's like saying that being muslim is a race. It isn't....it's a fucking religion.

Taking the Lesnar example gives you no credibility on the issue whatsoever. It just further illustrates how quick you are to shit on this sport whenever you get the opportunity to do it.

[boxingcar]

People duck each other in MMA, all the time.
They don't...And if they do , prove it. Lesnar shouldn't be fighting Couture , Werdum should be the one but Dana White changes the rules all the time. But that's the UFC. Not the globality of mma

[boxingcar]

Lesner fighting Couture would be purely based on money, Lesner is a name and the fight will be a big event..

exactly. And since Dana White is calling the shots...that's how it is. And the real contender often has to wait and wait...It's all business. But same goes in boxing.

Vitali klitschko vs Sam Peter is a perfect example of this

[Primenal]

I think most of you guys are right. Boxing avoids opponents (even though they have to have a ton of fights before being a champ). MMA you must beat everybody to be the best/ champion.
You know what you guys forgot to mention though??? $$$MONEY$$$!!!
In boxing a lot of $ floats around, and if you have a fighter whom is a champion, and you have a rising star that champ doesn't always avoid him out of fear....but out of MONEY! Why lose your title to some guy who nobody heard about, and you don't make a big payday because of that?
In MMA there isn't that much $ floating around, or big name money stars of the business (everybody seems to have some losses on there records) so there forced to fight eachother.

So, I don't think anybody should talk crap about either honestly. "money makes the world go round." IF boxing were new, they didn't have many established stars, and didn't make that much $...You'd be seeing a lot better fights, and a lot of upsets. In the case of MMA there isn't much $, and they aren't that established so you see fighting that is unorganized.
For all those people who say MMA will be bigger than boxing mark my words...It never will! Not that it can't.....but the fact once it does reach boxing levels in popularity it won't be the same sport. Your going to have a lot of fixed fights, a lot of ducking, a lot of fighters playing it safe, etc. Just like BOXING! Then, there will either be a new trend for people to go to, or they go back to boxing, or lose a lot of there audience.

[ripcity]

Honestly this pissing contest between boxing and MMA is kind of silly. While they both involve fighting they are two difrent sports. We can chose which one we like best based on our own prefrences and some of you might want to sit down for this... You can enjoy both the same if you chose.

[gottagivafight]

Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.Nice. Very enjoyable reading.

[gottagivafight]

I will say this and this only for the UFC: In the beginning, that was the home of the true modern-day gladiator in that, if a 220lb. aikido champion wanted to hop in the ring with some giant from Kenya, he could do so and showcase his bravery. This cat actually won that fight. It was fuckin' incredible. And he elected to get in the octagon with that guy. And the ref. in there with them was a real badass that was well capable of breaking things up if it got out of hand. The whole thing, if only for a short spell, was actually kinda refreshing.

[iceman71]

lesnar vs couture is more of a side show match between popular boxers. no different than pacquio vs DLH