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janitor
07-30-2007, 10:10 AM
I chose a fight that will happen so that our theories can be put to the test.

What strategy would you advise Hatton to implement as his trainer. If he looses you don't get paid.

hahahax
07-30-2007, 10:16 AM
don't sign the contract.

mightyd40
07-30-2007, 10:22 AM
be as physical as u can be and even if u lose a few points keep pressing the action, be the stronger man get him in corners and dont stop throwing punches......dont let him get settled into a comfort zone, and throw with intent of knocking his head off..................this in my opinion is rickys only chance and though he fights similar to this already he needs to be up every part of his game to pull off the upset here.



that being said mayweather easy ud

Nemesis
07-30-2007, 10:24 AM
I chose a fight that will happen so that our theories can be put to the test.

What strategy would you advise Hatton to implement as his trainer. If he looses you don't get paid.

Its all in the preparation, prepare to fight all 3 minutes of every round, do not give the ref opportunity to deduct points. Stay on him the whole time (ala Tszyu fight), dont let him breathe in their. Try and psyche him out, dont allow him to get off in mid range, bang away at his arms if needs be as this will eventually make him arm-weary. defend yourself when in close. The key is for Ricky to do what comes natural, it would be pointless to turn him into a stylist as this aint gonna work against the best.


I would also recommend he come in no higher than 142

Marnoff
07-30-2007, 10:29 AM
I believe he basically needs to sprint across a marathon race. He needs to be in high gear the entire fight. Any time they're in the middle of the ring looking at each other, Floyd is going to pepper him with clean shots. He can't let that happen. He needs to be smothering Floyd and landing vicious body shots against the ropes. The key is body punching since I don't believe he will land flush to Floyd's face. I would go strictly to the body for even eight rounds. Honestly, if you don't work hard on Floyd's body, you'll get nothing done. He's not going to put Floyd away like he did against Castillo, with one nice body shot. That can only happen after softening him up.

fg2227
07-30-2007, 10:37 AM
Simple, drag him into a war and the fight is hatton's.

Nemesis
07-30-2007, 10:41 AM
I see this as a 60/40 split fight towards Mayweather. If Hatton can take Mayweather's punches (he should), then Hatton could win.

The Kurgan
07-30-2007, 10:48 AM
1) Weight wise, I agree with Nemesis. Basically, Hatton should train as if the fight is at 140, except with less draining (thus coming in somewhere from 142-145). I'd hold a private weigh-in a few days before the fight: if Hatton is over 145, I'd cut his balls off. Or at least make him do a lot of running up hills.

2) I'd work a lot with him on footwork. Hatton will never have the head-movement or the glove-blocking skills to avoid Mayweather's shots. But he can have the foot movement to give Mayweather a minimum of time to work and rest on the outside. Both lateral and linear foot movement would see a lot of work, with particular reference to cutting off the ring and not smothering himself on the inside.

3) Talking of the inside, I'd teach him some sneaky tricks to rest on the OUTSIDE rather than on the inside. With his short arms and style, Hatton should be working every second that he has his head on Mayweather's chest. The inside is not the place for Hatton to rest; it's the place to kick butt and chew bubble-gum, and I don't plan on giving him bubble-gum. Whenever Hatton needs to rest, he needs to use things like the "walk-away" (horrible, I know, but pretty effective) and feinting on the ropes.

4) Talking of the ropes, that's where Hatton needs to get Mayweather. Whenever he can grab onto Floyd, I'd want him to drive forward to get Mayweather onto the ropes (and preferrably near a corner). When the ref breaks them, don't step back much and slam forward at a rapid pace. On the inside, I'd train him to go forward with his head burrowed into Mayweather's chin/eyes: move the head, and the body will follow. Hatton's standard hitting, holding and wrestling are obviously musts; wrestling his arms free is something to pay particular attention to in sparring. I'd have Hatton do some wrestling with backhold/Icelandic wrestlers to maybe learn some new tricks.

5) The body! The body! The body! Forget about Mayweather's head for at least the first 10 rounds. Maybe feint with hooks to the head, but only in preparating for a shot to the body. If Mayweather doesn't offer a spot to the body, then hit the kidneys and hips. Also, remember that if Mayweather's arms are covering his body, he can't hold onto Hatton.

6) Complain to the ref a lot. This does two things: (a) forces the ref to be seen to do something about Mayweather's conduct (because the crowd will get on the ref's case otherwise) and (b) distracts the ref's attention from Hatton's fouling. For instance, in the clinches, if Hatton can't get an arm free he should hold with his arms and open his gloves, as if to say "Hey, HE'S holding!".

7) Mayweather seems to be most vulnerable early on in recent fights against Baldomir and Oscar. Hatton should aim to pick up as many of the first six rounds as possible. I DO think he should aim to get a decision, because I don't think anyone below 154 can KO Mayweather. Hatton needs to look to pick up rounds with his workrate and pressure; if he breaks Floyd's ribs, then so much the better, but I wouldn't want Hatton just looking to find that one shot to the body.

8) Forget about Mayweather's power. He can't hurt Hatton except with a series of combinations, and Mayweather just isn't going to fire them. If Hatton is clearly ahead after 10 rounds (say 7 rounds to 3), then he needs to fight negatively in the 11th, then put on a big show in the 12th to win it. This wins over Vegas judges EVERY TIME (assuming the fight is in Las Vegas, which will become the most westerly part of the UK for that week).

9) On the subject of Las Vegaschester, Hatton needs to play to the crowd a bit. Raising his hands after every round will get the crowd roaring in his favour and make the judges feel a bit nervous. This works for hometown boxers all the time, and anywhere in the world is basically Hatton's hometown. He could fight in Tashkent and still have 10,000 fans from England screaming in his favour. He needs to use this advantage.

Hatton CAN certainly win this one. I wouldn't be shocked if he does. This fight is, in my opinion, 60-40 in Mayweather's favour. I'm picking Mayweather purely because he's more consistent and American judges are more likely to pull a close decision in his favour than Hatton's. However, anyone who thinks that Hatton cannot win this fight is retarded; with the right strategy and a fair bit of luck, Hatton can win this one by as much as 8-4 or 9-3. The styles are in Hatton's favour; the question is, can Hatton make the styles count?

RockyJim
07-30-2007, 10:53 AM
Pressure....Pressure...and....oh yeah,.....Pressure!!!

mcvey
07-30-2007, 11:07 AM
I chose a fight that will happen so that our theories can be put to the test.

What strategy would you advise Hatton to implement as his trainer. If he looses you don't get paid.
I think this is a bad matchup for Hatton,particularly as he will be going up a weight again,he didnt look too impressive there last time ,and he will be facing the best defensive fighter in the world,I dont care for Mayweathers style ,he,s too negative for me ,doesnt take any chances ,but he iundeniably is special,against a still good ODHhe never looked in jeopardy ,though I had it close due to Oscars forcing the action,I also thought PBF shook Oscar a couple of times with straight right hands,Hatton would have to fight the fight of his life,to have a chance ,Ill be rooting for him,Im English ,plus Hatton is a down to earth kid PBF is an insufferable jive talking egomaniac ,but he has backed it up so far,Ricky will have to apply constant pressure ,and not be discouraged by how many times he fails to connect ,and hope that his work rate and sheer volume get to Floyd,I cant see it ,but would be over the moon if he managed to pull it off.So Ricky target the body you wont connect too many times with the head work Floyds body,and rough him up inside try and turn it into a brawl Oscar did have some success but fade down the stretch as his stamina waned ,Hattons wont,he will be punching all the time he is in there,cuts could be a problem for Hatton especially against a sharp shooter like PBF,still fingers crossed.

peter5
07-30-2007, 11:07 AM
1) Weight wise, I agree with Nemesis. Basically, Hatton should train as if the fight is at 140, except with less draining (thus coming in somewhere from 142-145). I'd hold a private weigh-in a few days before the fight: if Hatton is over 145, I'd cut his balls off. Or at least make him do a lot of running up hills.

2) I'd work a lot with him on footwork. Hatton will never have the head-movement or the glove-blocking skills to avoid Mayweather's shots. But he can have the foot movement to give Mayweather a minimum of time to work and rest on the outside. Both lateral and linear foot movement would see a lot of work, with particular reference to cutting off the ring and not smothering himself on the inside.

3) Talking of the inside, I'd teach him some sneaky tricks to rest on the OUTSIDE rather than on the inside. With his short arms and style, Hatton should be working every second that he has his head on Mayweather's chest. The inside is not the place for Hatton to rest; it's the place to kick butt and chew bubble-gum, and I don't plan on giving him bubble-gum. Whenever Hatton needs to rest, he needs to use things like the "walk-away" (horrible, I know, but pretty effective) and feinting on the ropes.

4) Talking of the ropes, that's where Hatton needs to get Mayweather. Whenever he can grab onto Floyd, I'd want him to drive forward to get Mayweather onto the ropes (and preferrably near a corner). When the ref breaks them, don't step back much and slam forward at a rapid pace. On the inside, I'd train him to go forward with his head burrowed into Mayweather's chin/eyes: move the head, and the body will follow. Hatton's standard hitting, holding and wrestling are obviously musts; wrestling his arms free is something to pay particular attention to in sparring. I'd have Hatton do some wrestling with backhold/Icelandic wrestlers to maybe learn some new tricks.

5) The body! The body! The body! Forget about Mayweather's head for at least the first 10 rounds. Maybe feint with hooks to the head, but only in preparating for a shot to the body. If Mayweather doesn't offer a spot to the body, then hit the kidneys and hips. Also, remember that if Mayweather's arms are covering his body, he can't hold onto Hatton.

6) Complain to the ref a lot. This does two things: (a) forces the ref to be seen to do something about Mayweather's conduct (because the crowd will get on the ref's case otherwise) and (b) distracts the ref's attention from Hatton's fouling. For instance, in the clinches, if Hatton can't get an arm free he should hold with his arms and open his gloves, as if to say "Hey, HE'S holding!".

7) Mayweather seems to be most vulnerable early on in recent fights against Baldomir and Oscar. Hatton should aim to pick up as many of the first six rounds as possible. I DO think he should aim to get a decision, because I don't think anyone below 154 can KO Mayweather. Hatton needs to look to pick up rounds with his workrate and pressure; if he breaks Floyd's ribs, then so much the better, but I wouldn't want Hatton just looking to find that one shot to the body.

8) Forget about Mayweather's power. He can't hurt Hatton except with a series of combinations, and Mayweather just isn't going to fire them. If Hatton is clearly ahead after 10 rounds (say 7 rounds to 3), then he needs to fight negatively in the 11th, then put on a big show in the 12th to win it. This wins over Vegas judges EVERY TIME (assuming the fight is in Las Vegas, which will become the most westerly part of the UK for that week).

9) On the subject of Las Vegaschester, Hatton needs to play to the crowd a bit. Raising his hands after every round will get the crowd roaring in his favour and make the judges feel a bit nervous. This works for hometown boxers all the time, and anywhere in the world is basically Hatton's hometown. He could fight in Tashkent and still have 10,000 fans from England screaming in his favour. He needs to use this advantage.

Hatton CAN certainly win this one. I wouldn't be shocked if he does. This fight is, in my opinion, 60-40 in Mayweather's favour. I'm picking Mayweather purely because he's more consistent and American judges are more likely to pull a close decision in his favour than Hatton's. However, anyone who thinks that Hatton cannot win this fight is retarded; with the right strategy and a fair bit of luck, Hatton can win this one by as much as 8-4 or 9-3. The styles are in Hatton's favour; the question is, can Hatton make the styles count?

Just what the Doctor ordered! Nicely said mate:happy

hotboy18
07-30-2007, 11:11 AM
Stay busy and don't sit around to get jabbed and picked apart.

Pimp C
07-30-2007, 11:18 AM
PBF breaks his hands in the first round.

nickthegreek
07-30-2007, 11:25 AM
1) Weight wise, I agree with Nemesis. Basically, Hatton should train as if the fight is at 140, except with less draining (thus coming in somewhere from 142-145). I'd hold a private weigh-in a few days before the fight: if Hatton is over 145, I'd cut his balls off. Or at least make him do a lot of running up hills.

2) I'd work a lot with him on footwork. Hatton will never have the head-movement or the glove-blocking skills to avoid Mayweather's shots. But he can have the foot movement to give Mayweather a minimum of time to work and rest on the outside. Both lateral and linear foot movement would see a lot of work, with particular reference to cutting off the ring and not smothering himself on the inside.

3) Talking of the inside, I'd teach him some sneaky tricks to rest on the OUTSIDE rather than on the inside. With his short arms and style, Hatton should be working every second that he has his head on Mayweather's chest. The inside is not the place for Hatton to rest; it's the place to kick butt and chew bubble-gum, and I don't plan on giving him bubble-gum. Whenever Hatton needs to rest, he needs to use things like the "walk-away" (horrible, I know, but pretty effective) and feinting on the ropes.

4) Talking of the ropes, that's where Hatton needs to get Mayweather. Whenever he can grab onto Floyd, I'd want him to drive forward to get Mayweather onto the ropes (and preferrably near a corner). When the ref breaks them, don't step back much and slam forward at a rapid pace. On the inside, I'd train him to go forward with his head burrowed into Mayweather's chin/eyes: move the head, and the body will follow. Hatton's standard hitting, holding and wrestling are obviously musts; wrestling his arms free is something to pay particular attention to in sparring. I'd have Hatton do some wrestling with backhold/Icelandic wrestlers to maybe learn some new tricks.

5) The body! The body! The body! Forget about Mayweather's head for at least the first 10 rounds. Maybe feint with hooks to the head, but only in preparating for a shot to the body. If Mayweather doesn't offer a spot to the body, then hit the kidneys and hips. Also, remember that if Mayweather's arms are covering his body, he can't hold onto Hatton.

6) Complain to the ref a lot. This does two things: (a) forces the ref to be seen to do something about Mayweather's conduct (because the crowd will get on the ref's case otherwise) and (b) distracts the ref's attention from Hatton's fouling. For instance, in the clinches, if Hatton can't get an arm free he should hold with his arms and open his gloves, as if to say "Hey, HE'S holding!".

7) Mayweather seems to be most vulnerable early on in recent fights against Baldomir and Oscar. Hatton should aim to pick up as many of the first six rounds as possible. I DO think he should aim to get a decision, because I don't think anyone below 154 can KO Mayweather. Hatton needs to look to pick up rounds with his workrate and pressure; if he breaks Floyd's ribs, then so much the better, but I wouldn't want Hatton just looking to find that one shot to the body.

8) Forget about Mayweather's power. He can't hurt Hatton except with a series of combinations, and Mayweather just isn't going to fire them. If Hatton is clearly ahead after 10 rounds (say 7 rounds to 3), then he needs to fight negatively in the 11th, then put on a big show in the 12th to win it. This wins over Vegas judges EVERY TIME (assuming the fight is in Las Vegas, which will become the most westerly part of the UK for that week).

9) On the subject of Las Vegaschester, Hatton needs to play to the crowd a bit. Raising his hands after every round will get the crowd roaring in his favour and make the judges feel a bit nervous. This works for hometown boxers all the time, and anywhere in the world is basically Hatton's hometown. He could fight in Tashkent and still have 10,000 fans from England screaming in his favour. He needs to use this advantage.

Hatton CAN certainly win this one. I wouldn't be shocked if he does. This fight is, in my opinion, 60-40 in Mayweather's favour. I'm picking Mayweather purely because he's more consistent and American judges are more likely to pull a close decision in his favour than Hatton's. However, anyone who thinks that Hatton cannot win this fight is retarded; with the right strategy and a fair bit of luck, Hatton can win this one by as much as 8-4 or 9-3. The styles are in Hatton's favour; the question is, can Hatton make the styles count?

Top quality posting right there. :good

RDJ
07-30-2007, 11:27 AM
Bribe the judges and hope you last the distance.

MancMexican
07-30-2007, 11:30 AM
PBF breaks his hands in the first round.
:lol:

Alternately copy the first Castillo/Floyd fight and hope the judges havent been bribed.

K0NPHL1C7
07-30-2007, 11:32 AM
Bring a knife, or a gun.

peter5
07-30-2007, 11:33 AM
The consensus seems to be on concentrated pressure, which ricky does naturally, Billy Graham is a good trainer, therefore i expect ricky to be in tip top condition for the fight (when isnt he?). This will allow him to excert the type of pressure floyd isnt used too, and hopefully it will get the job done, although its easier said than done!

Asterion
07-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Speed, accuracy, pressure, combinations.

I've always said that pure pressure is not enough. Mayweather can be defeated by someone who outspeeds him. At 130 and 135 that was impossible, but not at 147.

brick city
07-30-2007, 11:55 AM
There's notthing he can do, Ricky is not a good boxer he's just a pressure fighter.

digiram
07-30-2007, 11:58 AM
Drag him into a war on the ropes. Make it as physical as you can. Keep the pressure for the first 8 rds, sooner or later PBF will crack like he did with Castillo. Hatton must also get into PBF's head really bad, I would say something really crazy right before the fight when the refs is giving instructions a la Tarver vs Rjj II. And if PBF starts with the runnin chit, I would stand in the middle of the ring and invite him into a "toma y dame" a la Mano De Piedra!!!! Hatton needs to get into PBF's head for real.....


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

If Hatton tries to exchange with him in the middle of the ring. It's lights out for Hatton.

You people need to stop with the running shit.

Hatton cannot fight with PBF in the center of the ring. If they are in the center of the ring, he has to close the gap, clinch, and wrestle PBF in to the ropes or corner each time.

Pretty much, the only way Hatton can possibly win is by fighting as dirty and cheating as much as possible.

He can beat PBF in a grappling match, but not a boxing match.

peter5
07-30-2007, 12:02 PM
He can beat PBF in a grappling match, but not a boxing match.[/quote]

Who does beat floyd in a boxing match?!:huh

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 12:03 PM
Whats crazy about this fight is that I think Floyd is the bigger and stronger man. He has just as good, if not better chin, and he probably hits just as hard at 147 also. Hatton is going to be embarassed.

I hope I'm wrong though.

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 12:04 PM
Collazo had Hatton in alot of trouble, and I think Shane showed us that Collazo is a class below the elite

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 12:09 PM
Collazo was landing clean until he broke his hand in the third.
In the Shane fight?

digiram
07-30-2007, 12:11 PM
He can beat PBF in a grappling match, but not a boxing match.

Who does beat floyd in a boxing match?!:huh[/quote]

All 38 fights that he's won.

sean
07-30-2007, 12:14 PM
There's notthing he can do, Ricky is not a good boxer he's just a pressure fighter.

There`s nothing mayweather can do, he is just a good boxer , not a good pressure fighter.

grayggr
07-30-2007, 12:18 PM
There`s nothing mayweather can do, he is just a good boxer , not a good pressure fighter.

:p

peter5
07-30-2007, 12:25 PM
Whats crazy about this fight is that I think Floyd is the bigger and stronger man. He has just as good, if not better chin, and he probably hits just as hard at 147 also. Hatton is going to be embarassed.

I hope I'm wrong though.

I agree slightly there, i dont think floyd is weak or anyhting, its just not his style to throw his weight around if you know what i mean, but i hope ricky does the bloke!


You pick your entrance song yet mate?:cool:

sean
07-30-2007, 12:26 PM
i agree with the kurgan.
no way ricky can stand on the outside.

ricky has fast enough hands to get home with a few jabs , but he will be best served going to the body and chest for round after round at a very high tempo.

flyod IMO has a great defense against the right cross, but if anything he will be able to get hit with left hooks unless flyod plants his feet and lets rip to keep ricky honest.

hatton has very underated feet movement, very good ant getting in and out of range.

but at nid range as kosta proved he is vunerable and can be kept on the end of punches.

floyd if he moves to his left will negate a lot of hatton`s best work and floyd being a good pro will work on this and so must hatton.

size wise i think they will look the same come fightnight,

hatton must not bulk up and slow himself down.
i agree train fro 140 and just keep the 5lbs extra to stop dehydratinbg himself the day before the fight.

hatton has to punch with and through mayweather at every oppurtunity, not letting mayweather have time to think and get off as many c0ombo`s as he would like.

obviously hatton is going to have to eat a lot of leather in this fight , but must suck it up and fight full out for the 12 rounds if he is still able.
that has yet to be proven.

hatton must win some of the first 4 rounds to get into the fight and then make it a war.

mayweather will not be used to being wrestled/bullied/mauled/fouled and that is the only type of fight hatton can make if hatton wants to win as IMO mayweather is the best pure boxer hit and not get hit since whittaker.

Decebal
07-30-2007, 12:30 PM
There`s nothing mayweather can do, he is just a good boxer , not a good pressure fighter.

:lol:

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 12:30 PM
I agree slightly there, i dont think floyd is weak or anyhting, its just not his style to throw his weight around if you know what i mean, but i hope ricky does the bloke!


You pick your entrance song yet mate?:cool:
I'm entering to "I'm Shipping up to Boston" by Dropkick Murphys. I'm fighting some Italian Dude, so the whole Irish vs Italian will be pretty sick :yep

I actually just got some news that he is holding out for a lower weight and more money...so there's a chance I might have to wait a couple months for another event/show to fight at. Sucks.

peter5
07-30-2007, 12:33 PM
I'm entering to "I'm Shipping up to Boston" by Dropkick Murphys. I'm fighting some Italian Dude, so the whole Irish vs Italian will be pretty sick :yep

I actually just got some news that he is holding out for a lower weight and more money...so there's a chance I might have to wait a couple months for another event/show to fight at. Sucks.

Maybe he just dont want to fight you!:lol:

whats your take on the hatton v mayweather fight? Im a brit, so be nice!

brooklyn1550
07-30-2007, 12:34 PM
Throw a lot of punches, move his head, use the jab to get inside, and work the body like never before. Ricky needs to rough Floyd up and make him uncomfortable.

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 12:48 PM
Maybe he just dont want to fight you!:lol:

whats your take on the hatton v mayweather fight? Im a brit, so be nice!
He doesn't want to fight me, but we were thinking that giving him my share of the purse might get the fight sealed.....we'll see. I just want to fight.

I think Mayweather is going to beat him rather easilly. I like Hatton too. I just don't think he is going to be as effective at 147lbs, and also I thik alot of people let Floyds skills overshadow his strength and toughness. He is a tough dude and strong, especially against a natural 140lber. I think Floyd will TKO him late.

Sorry man :-(

peter5
07-30-2007, 12:52 PM
He doesn't want to fight me, but we were thinking that giving him my share of the purse might get the fight sealed.....we'll see. I just want to fight.

I think Mayweather is going to beat him rather easilly. I like Hatton too. I just don't think he is going to be as effective at 147lbs, and also I thik alot of people let Floyds skills overshadow his strength and toughness. He is a tough dude and strong, especially against a natural 140lber. I think Floyd will TKO him late.

Sorry man :-(

Its ok mate, we are all entitled to our opinion!:lol: I must admit, a fight like this with Ricky in, Im finding it hard to get the bias outta my head, it stops me thinking straight, therefore I still cant see Mayweather winning! It will be tough for Hatton, but with the right tactics and implementation, it can be done, just hope he gets it right on the night.

dwilson
07-30-2007, 12:54 PM
1) Bell rings.

2) Hatton punches Mayweather.

3) Hatton wins.

Not too technical but thats how i see it if Hatton wants to win.

BewareofDawg
07-30-2007, 01:08 PM
Its ok mate, we are all entitled to our opinion!:lol: I must admit, a fight like this with Ricky in, Im finding it hard to get the bias outta my head, it stops me thinking straight, therefore I still cant see Mayweather winning! It will be tough for Hatton, but with the right tactics and implementation, it can be done, just hope he gets it right on the night.
I also may be way underestimating Hatton from the Collazo fight. I hope Hatton kicks his ass, I really do. I just don't really see it happening. :good

BoppaZoo
07-30-2007, 01:20 PM
the first thing i would do is say take up Kostya Tszyu's help when he offered it to Hatton after they fought.
Tszyu told Ricky that if you ever need any help dont hesitate to call me.

some are wondering why i would say Hatton needs Tszyu's help.

well Tszyu could teach Hatton how to cut of the Ring better son Mayweather has no where to run. make him fight by closing the distance.
because when it came to cutting off the Ring and stalking Prey Kostya was the best.
Hatton probably could take some advice from Tszyu in Counter punching also which would help hatton get PBF.

after PBF jabs Hatton has to counter and with power shots thats the only way i see him beating PBF.

by learning how to cut off the Ring better and learning some much needed counterpunching.
Because Hatton already is great in close and aswell as body punching. its just a matter of learning how to get to a fast PBF.

Brickhaus
07-30-2007, 01:31 PM
Simple, drag him into a war and the fight is hatton's.

If it's so simple, name the last fighter who was able to drag Mayweather into a war? Many have tried, none have succeeded.

If Hatton wants to win, he'll need to fight dirty. Apply hard pressure to Floyd, working the body. If you get him by the ropes, cut off his movement to the left with a nice strong headbutt (leading with your fists, of course). Every time he starts to get into an exchange, get into a clinch, and try to twist his wrist and shoulder backwards in the clinch. The only way Hatton stands a chance is if Floyd's arms and shoulders are hurting too bad for him to use his normal defense. If he abandons the shoulder roll, then he's got a chance, so everything Hatton does in the first four rounds should be with the focus of getting Mayweather to abandon his defense. If he can do that, then Mayweather won't be able to potshot. Also, he'll need to move forward quickly, even if that means being off-balance more than he's comfortable with. If Floyd does have to drop the shoulder roll, he'll start ducking and running, and the only way Hatton will be able to continue to land is by cutting off the ring (with his head and his fists) and by moving forward quickly enough to keep up with him.

marting
07-30-2007, 01:59 PM
I think the single most critical aspect to this fight for Hatton is to land a serious, significant shot in the first two rounds. He has got to get Mayweather's respect for his punching power early. That will force Mayweather to make adjustments.

If he doesn't dictate some portion of this fight Mayweather will take him apart round by round.

To hold things together Hatton should clinch, hold, push Floyd's head down, lean on him, hit him everywhere from the knees up, bull rushes head first, and do everything to keep the action as constant as possible. Rough house 101. This can undermine Floyd's patience and maybe make him make mistakes.

The last thing Hatton wants to do is stay on the outside or rely to much on countering. It'll be a long night if he relies extensively on countering. He has to attack and be prepared to eat some serious leather.

EL BULLY
07-30-2007, 02:02 PM
Throw as you're moving forward. Never set your fet because by the time you throw PBF will be out of range.

Hatton does this anyway so I doubt my phone will be ringing, he'll probablt stick with Graham.

Cookie
07-30-2007, 02:10 PM
It really comes down to this: he has to make Mayweather FIGHT. He's got to make it like Mayweather's first fight with Castillo, like Mayorga was able to do with Forrest, and so on with any other such examples. If Mayweather is allowed to be comfortable like against Gatti, Baldomir and DLH then he'll do the same type of thing to Hatton as he did to them. None of those guys really made Mayweather work. You've got to get on him like white on rice and make it so his only good option is to start trading frequently and fighting the way you want to. Good pressure fighters are able to do that to good boxers. But can Hatton do it to the best boxer?

Jinx
07-30-2007, 02:24 PM
PBF might bust his hands trying to break Hatton's hard head, then the fight will really be tough on PBF...Hatton's durability and physical strength are what make him dangerous to PBF, and if he FORCES a streetfight and PBF hurts a hand he could win...if Hatton is willing to eat 2 to land 1 he can make it a fight...

josak
07-30-2007, 02:32 PM
He should do what he always does. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Stay close, go to the body. Cut the ring off. Move, slip. Ruff Floyd up. Hold & hit, throw elbows if you have to.

Imperial1
07-30-2007, 02:38 PM
He should do what he always does. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Stay close, go to the body. Cut the ring off. Move, slip. Ruff Floyd up. Hold & hit, throw elbows if you have to.

Agreed thats the only way to keep Floyd off his bike ..

Decebal
07-30-2007, 02:49 PM
So if Hatton does all that to perfection, can PFB win? How? How will he deal with those mighty body-shots to the liver for example?

digiram
07-30-2007, 03:03 PM
So if Hatton does all that to perfection, can PFB win? How? How will he deal with those mighty body-shots to the liver for example?

Hell Yah. He might be able to everything that he can do to perfection, but still miss and get countered all night.

PBF is good with using his elbows to deflect body shots, and he's not going to be bent over in a stationary position to allow hatton to have a good angle at landing it.

Imperial1
07-30-2007, 03:06 PM
I don't see how Hatton wins this fight ..

Hatton leans with his head he's easily hittable ..He likes to pressure but Floyd is pretty good defensivly to deal with that ie: the Castillo fights ..

For Hatton to win he has to be first and busier ..He can't give Floyd a minute to think ..He needs to constantly pump a jab in Floyd's face to off set his rhythem ..

josak
07-30-2007, 03:07 PM
Yeah Mayweather is a great defender. He's hard to hit on the ouside and inside. Hatton's going to have go for any and every opening he can find.

josak
07-30-2007, 03:08 PM
One flaw I have noticed in Mayweather's defense is the way he bends down to avoid a punch. He leaves himself out of a punching position, and open for an overhand right. Oscar de la Hoya exploited this a bit, but not enough.

peter5
07-30-2007, 03:11 PM
I know the castillo fight is a good example of how to approach this fight, but remember, hatton is fater and stronger than castillo was, and fights at a much higher intensity, therefore I give ricky a better chance to overcome the odds. The only thing is, CAN he implement it on the night, that will be the key! Coz if he doesnt, its going to be very hard! (And Im a Hatton fan)

Imperial1
07-30-2007, 03:11 PM
One flaw I have noticed in Mayweather's defense is the way he bends down to avoid a punch. He leaves himself out of a punching position, and open for an overhand right. Oscar de la Hoya exploited this a bit, but not enough.

He bends at the waist similar to James Toney ...If Hatton throws a short hook to the body it could find Floyd's face ..Its easier said than done when fighting such a slick boxer .

josak
07-30-2007, 03:16 PM
He bends at the waist similar to James Toney ...If Hatton throws a short hook to the body it could find Floyd's face ..Its easier said than done when fighting such a slick boxer .
What I mean is ,throwing an overhand right as he comes up. DLH landed flush on Mayweather with this punch, and he could of did it more often. But ya, easier said than done ;p.

digiram
07-30-2007, 03:17 PM
the first thing i would do is say take up Kostya Tszyu's help when he offered it to Hatton after they fought.
Tszyu told Ricky that if you ever need any help dont hesitate to call me.

some are wondering why i would say Hatton needs Tszyu's help.

well Tszyu could teach Hatton how to cut of the Ring better son Mayweather has no where to run. make him fight by closing the distance.
because when it came to cutting off the Ring and stalking Prey Kostya was the best.
Hatton probably could take some advice from Tszyu in Counter punching also which would help hatton get PBF.

after PBF jabs Hatton has to counter and with power shots thats the only way i see him beating PBF.

by learning how to cut off the Ring better and learning some much needed counterpunching.
Because Hatton already is great in close and aswell as body punching. its just a matter of learning how to get to a fast PBF.

Sorry Bop, I think this is a terrible idea.

I do agree with you that Zoo was awesome against slick fighters, and Zoo would probably stand a good chance against PBF as well. However, having Hatton change what he's been doing for his entire life is a bad idea. Look at what happened when Gatti was in there trying to outbox Floyd.

Floyd is too quick for Hatton to try to wait and counter. Hatton would be eating shots all night, if he were to try to outbox Floyd.

Has has to pressure, go the body, and keep the fight dirty. That's the only strategy that will work for him, and it's what he does well.

I'm going with Floyd by 11th rnd. TKO.

Alo2006
07-30-2007, 03:26 PM
Only thing Hatton can do is, hope Mayweather doesn't come with his A game, but we know that's not going to happen.

Stinky gloves
07-30-2007, 03:33 PM
Strategy is simple - hit him in the liver like in the last fight.

Danny
07-30-2007, 03:35 PM
don't sign the contract.

:yep :yep I like it mate, very witty response!

On a more serious note, I think Hatton has to try to cut off the ring, don't Floyd room to manouvere or room for punching space. A lot of people I've spoken to about the fight, seem to feel Hatton has to adopt the same tactics as he did for Tszyu.

I feel he does to a certain degree, but to actually do this on the night, will be highly difficult, just by the fact at how good Mayweather is, how adept his footwork, handspeed & defensive abilities are.

Hatton better have a few strategies devised because Floyd could end up hitting & hitting him. While he may not KO Hatton, an accumilation of punches round after round, will have an affect.

I feel Ricky had proved himself & achieved a great deal in boxing, but this is the bout when we all will see what Hatton really has in repetoire. Floyd is without doubt the best fighter Hatton has ever faced, the most skillful opponent he's ever likely to share a ring with. If Ricky is not 100%, forget about it! Even then, at 100%, that may not even be enough.

I'm a Ricky Hatton, but I'm not going to let what I perhaps would like to happen during the fight, cliud my judgement of what I actually think will transpire when they get it on.

It'll certainly be very interesting to see what Ricky's strategy is going to be & more so, how he tries to maximise that to full effect?

It may be wishful thiking, but I don't think Floyd will be on his bike as much as people think. Floyd doesn't just keep dancing around the ring. He sometimes keeps his feet nearly still & moves his upper-body to avoid punches. It is a thing of beauty & was most noticeable when he fought Gatti.

Hatton's timing better be on, because if it is not, he'll miss & Floyd will make him pay!

Decebal
07-30-2007, 03:35 PM
Strategy is simple - hit him in the liver like in the last fight.

I agree! And I think Hatton is good enough to do it to him...

Alo2006
07-30-2007, 03:37 PM
All wishful thinking :yep

Stinky gloves
07-30-2007, 03:37 PM
All wishful thinking :yep

Good to be optimistic!

The Kurgan
07-30-2007, 04:56 PM
"Don't sign the contract."

"Nothing."

"Pray that PBF breaks his hands."

"Hope PBF doesn't do anything."

Damn, there are a lot of born losers in this thread! :lol:

Flatlander
07-30-2007, 05:20 PM
I chose a fight that will happen so that our theories can be put to the test.

What strategy would you advise Hatton to implement as his trainer. If he looses you don't get paid.

Tazer to the side of Floyd's neck.

AllyT
07-30-2007, 06:01 PM
Do what he does well bulk up. The date is not finalised but there be plenty time to bulk up to a weight that will allow him to come down to 147 for the weighing instead of 140. Hatton boxed Tszyu at 156lb and Castillio at 153lbs so if he avoids training injury he could box Mayweather at somewhere between 160 – 163lb. Since he works closely with Kerry Kayes, this should not be a problem. They may decide to bring him in a little lighter but unlike his last outing at welter he has enough time to adjust. I expect Hatton to be stronger than he has ever been. If he follows his usual conditioning regimen, he will not lose any of his speed or explosive power.

Hatton must pressure Mayweather from the first bell until the bitter end. Hatton has fast feet and he will need them for the early rounds. Mayweather will box at range but as soon as he is caught the fight will change. I am sure that very soon into the proceedings both boxers will opt for a dirty fight. For Hatton this means avoiding Mayweather's elbows. He will use these to attempt to break Hatton’s hands and to catch him on the neck and shoulders. Mayweather will attempt to cut Hatton both with his elbows and with his head. Hatton must keep his head low and throw in a Glasgow kiss to the chin when he gets the chance. Hatton has to get inside to launch to the body and up through the middle to the head. Crucially when he can't get inside he needs to punch Mayweather’s upper arms as much as possible in the early rounds.

If Hatton gives Mayweather too much room to work he will lose by a wide margin but if he is fully fit and as strong as I think he is going to be he has a real chance of making history.

Thread Stealer
07-30-2007, 06:04 PM
I'm entering to "I'm Shipping up to Boston" by Dropkick Murphys. I'm fighting some Italian Dude, so the whole Irish vs Italian will be pretty sick :yep

I actually just got some news that he is holding out for a lower weight and more money...so there's a chance I might have to wait a couple months for another event/show to fight at. Sucks.

If you win and it's taped you should post it on here.

pipe wrenched
07-30-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm sorry to say I don't know. Maybe if Ricky could come in fight night as a SMW or Light Heavy and just sledge hammer his ass. :huh

The Kurgan
07-30-2007, 06:26 PM
Tazer to the side of Floyd's neck.

^ The "born loser" attitude I was talking about.

pipe wrenched
07-30-2007, 06:35 PM
What I mean is ,throwing an overhand right as he comes up. DLH landed flush on Mayweather with this punch, and he could of did it more often. But ya, easier said than done ;p.

ODH did land like 3 or 4 over hand rights on PBF that were wicked.

EpsilonAxis
07-30-2007, 06:43 PM
The key, IMO, is footspeed.

Hatton needs to fight Mayweather like he did against Carlos Maussa. Hatton did not give Maussa a second to sit, get set in his punches, or even think about what to do.

Hatton has GREAT footspeed, when coming forward. He almost runs you down. He will need this against Mayweather. Mayweather is fast and talented as any fighter but he is not perfect, and while he fights great going backwards, a lot of times it doesn't look so well when he's running...gives the impression he's nervous about the other guy.

When PBF gets set moving back, however, he lands, and lands well. Hatton needs to keep him moving backwards and at a fast pace.

Marnoff
07-30-2007, 07:42 PM
It's entertaining how people are prescribing the fight plan Hopkins used against Wright, except they're now advocating it... whereas with Hopkins they were furious.

Toopretty
07-30-2007, 08:26 PM
Ok, I got an Idea. It involves a chicken. Some root barb. And shoe strings. Hatton will have to make a BADADA WALLAWALLA voodoo sacrifice. Then he may in fact beat mayweather.................................on second thought..nahh... the sacrifice would be only strong enough to allow him to go 12.

Ramshall1
07-30-2007, 08:36 PM
get him in a 12 foot ring with 6 OZ gloves.

MSTR
07-30-2007, 08:44 PM
1) Weight wise, I agree with Nemesis. Basically, Hatton should train as if the fight is at 140, except with less draining (thus coming in somewhere from 142-145). I'd hold a private weigh-in a few days before the fight: if Hatton is over 145, I'd cut his balls off. Or at least make him do a lot of running up hills.

2) I'd work a lot with him on footwork. Hatton will never have the head-movement or the glove-blocking skills to avoid Mayweather's shots. But he can have the foot movement to give Mayweather a minimum of time to work and rest on the outside. Both lateral and linear foot movement would see a lot of work, with particular reference to cutting off the ring and not smothering himself on the inside.

3) Talking of the inside, I'd teach him some sneaky tricks to rest on the OUTSIDE rather than on the inside. With his short arms and style, Hatton should be working every second that he has his head on Mayweather's chest. The inside is not the place for Hatton to rest; it's the place to kick butt and chew bubble-gum, and I don't plan on giving him bubble-gum. Whenever Hatton needs to rest, he needs to use things like the "walk-away" (horrible, I know, but pretty effective) and feinting on the ropes.

4) Talking of the ropes, that's where Hatton needs to get Mayweather. Whenever he can grab onto Floyd, I'd want him to drive forward to get Mayweather onto the ropes (and preferrably near a corner). When the ref breaks them, don't step back much and slam forward at a rapid pace. On the inside, I'd train him to go forward with his head burrowed into Mayweather's chin/eyes: move the head, and the body will follow. Hatton's standard hitting, holding and wrestling are obviously musts; wrestling his arms free is something to pay particular attention to in sparring. I'd have Hatton do some wrestling with backhold/Icelandic wrestlers to maybe learn some new tricks.

5) The body! The body! The body! Forget about Mayweather's head for at least the first 10 rounds. Maybe feint with hooks to the head, but only in preparating for a shot to the body. If Mayweather doesn't offer a spot to the body, then hit the kidneys and hips. Also, remember that if Mayweather's arms are covering his body, he can't hold onto Hatton.

6) Complain to the ref a lot. This does two things: (a) forces the ref to be seen to do something about Mayweather's conduct (because the crowd will get on the ref's case otherwise) and (b) distracts the ref's attention from Hatton's fouling. For instance, in the clinches, if Hatton can't get an arm free he should hold with his arms and open his gloves, as if to say "Hey, HE'S holding!".

7) Mayweather seems to be most vulnerable early on in recent fights against Baldomir and Oscar. Hatton should aim to pick up as many of the first six rounds as possible. I DO think he should aim to get a decision, because I don't think anyone below 154 can KO Mayweather. Hatton needs to look to pick up rounds with his workrate and pressure; if he breaks Floyd's ribs, then so much the better, but I wouldn't want Hatton just looking to find that one shot to the body.

8) Forget about Mayweather's power. He can't hurt Hatton except with a series of combinations, and Mayweather just isn't going to fire them. If Hatton is clearly ahead after 10 rounds (say 7 rounds to 3), then he needs to fight negatively in the 11th, then put on a big show in the 12th to win it. This wins over Vegas judges EVERY TIME (assuming the fight is in Las Vegas, which will become the most westerly part of the UK for that week).

9) On the subject of Las Vegaschester, Hatton needs to play to the crowd a bit. Raising his hands after every round will get the crowd roaring in his favour and make the judges feel a bit nervous. This works for hometown boxers all the time, and anywhere in the world is basically Hatton's hometown. He could fight in Tashkent and still have 10,000 fans from England screaming in his favour. He needs to use this advantage.

Hatton CAN certainly win this one. I wouldn't be shocked if he does. This fight is, in my opinion, 60-40 in Mayweather's favour. I'm picking Mayweather purely because he's more consistent and American judges are more likely to pull a close decision in his favour than Hatton's. However, anyone who thinks that Hatton cannot win this fight is retarded; with the right strategy and a fair bit of luck, Hatton can win this one by as much as 8-4 or 9-3. The styles are in Hatton's favour; the question is, can Hatton make the styles count?
Great post. I think this will be closer then people think. Mayweather isn't a known combination puncher and Hatton is very fast at closing the distance. The biggest thing Hatton needs to do IMo is change his pace up. If he tries to rush at Mayweather everytime he will eat counter punches all night. If he can feint and stick and then rush in it will make it very difficult for Mayweather to time him and could be the key to getting the victory. I still see Mayweather winning however. Floyd is a very smart infighter, and I don't think Hatton throws combinations or boxes as effectively as oscar does. I see floyd winning by about 8 rounds to 4.

slantone
07-30-2007, 09:39 PM
everyone here has the right solution to beating mayweather- pressure, relentless body attack, and dont try to box. the thing is- thirty guys or so have come in with the same approach - and all been beaten. It is much harder said than done with a master like floyd. he wins with amazing adjustments and composure.

How do i think he should fight? pretty much the way everyone says hatton should. It fits his style to fight this way- these 2 guys seem pretty much built to counter each others style. its a great matchup.
there are some things he could do though to tinker to get every edge he can.

1) Hatton can t outbox floyd to a decision- but he can trick the judges into thinking he is. People are looking to give a round against floyd at any chance they can- he can use this to his advantage. the key is to look busy-even if he is ineffective. When exchanges start- he has to throw the first punch- that looping leaping left hook of his- and the last punch- he likes to step out with a jab. in between floyd might be scoring with cleaner better shots- probably crisp uppercuts- but hatton has to bulldoze through those- not show perceptable effect- and throw first and last- that will give the illusion of effective aggression.

2) He can t just ram into floyd for 36 minutes non stop- floyd will beat him with stamina that way. he as to lure floyd in , even backpedalling going back- then poouncing forward as floyd initiates with his straight right. alllow floyds willingness to score with the judges to be the catalyst for hattons action. Hatton dosent need to pressure all the time to win the rounds. he just has to break each round up in2 sections. say- make sure he lunges and flurries against floyds body and arms at least once every minute. pounds him for this time. then spends the other 40 seconds wrestling, and feiting away from floyd. - which leads to the next point-

3) one way to win a round is by scoring more than the other guy ( duh) but the other way is to make sure the other guy scores less than u- obvious? but its a matter of attitude. Hatton has to take away floyds chances to score- dont fight at arms length- dont dance around the ring. either fight in tight or nothing at all. that way floyd has no scoring zones. in tight hatton pressures and flails away madly scoring some minor points- and far away nobody gets any points. its sort of like breaking the game down in basketball into a defensive match- ala detroit or new york in the day. Slow the game right down so nobody scores- then you score scrappily when you can. other than that? lock it up and make it the most boring fight ever-

4) which is the final point- make it boring. floyd fights boring? he wins. beat him at his own match. take chances when they re there- other than that- play the waiting game with him. when he chooses to engage- hatton can outmuscle him. floyd wins points on opponents' impatience and over entusiasm to score. thats when floyd steps to the side and hooks, or ducks under uppercuts and holds, dont let floyd sit and counter. just sit back and let nothing happen if need be- fuck the booing. as long as he scores more than the other man- he wins- no matter how low the scoring may be - so to speak...


well thats what i think- basically its what most everyone else is saying- but with a few tactical and attitude adjustments. I think hatton has the style- manner- mind- and heart to beat floyd. I would be more confident if hatton were larger though. he is actually much shorter , shorter arms, and fights at a lower weight. floyd has become a legit welterweight now. With that being said- i thinhk this fight goes the way of leonard duran I , or leonard duran II. that s pretty much a blowout either way it goes in favor of either guy. U never can tell- but my heart will be betting on hatton that night.

Ambition_Def
07-30-2007, 09:51 PM
For Hatton to beat Mayweather he is going to have to not follow him around. Instead he will have to grab control of the ring at the center. He can let Mayweather circle as long as Hatton can cut him off at the ropes here and there and the center of the ring is always the best position for attacks.

With Hatton being smaller, I have my doubts that Mayweather will give up the center of the ring without a fight. Knowing his history though he probably will. Lots of guys have made the mistake here of just following Mayweather around. With some smarts Hatton can use this as an advantage. Let Mayweather retreat to the outter area of the ring, then Hatton can command the center.

From the center of the ring Hatton can dictate the second blow almost always. Let Mayweather come into the center because he'll get that first punch off most of the time. After that Hatton should have a counter in. It's important that Hatton keeps Mayweather out of the center and keeps him circling the outside so those counters have to be hard. He has to keep Mayweather thinking of retreat anytime he mounts an offensive.

If Hatton does just follow Mayweather around he'll be on his bike all night. He will avoid the punch and grab as much as possible. With Hatton commanding the center though, it becomes harder to control distance.

Toopretty
07-30-2007, 10:01 PM
For Hatton to beat Mayweather he is going to have to not follow him around. Instead he will have to grab control of the ring at the center. He can let Mayweather circle as long as Hatton can cut him off at the ropes here and there and the center of the ring is always the best position for attacks.

With Hatton being smaller, I have my doubts that Mayweather will give up the center of the ring without a fight. Knowing his history though he probably will. Lots of guys have made the mistake here of just following Mayweather around. With some smarts Hatton can use this as an advantage. Let Mayweather retreat to the outter area of the ring, then Hatton can command the center.

From the center of the ring Hatton can dictate the second blow almost always. Let Mayweather come into the center because he'll get that first punch off most of the time. After that Hatton should have a counter in. It's important that Hatton keeps Mayweather out of the center and keeps him circling the outside so those counters have to be hard. He has to keep Mayweather thinking of retreat anytime he mounts an offensive.

If Hatton does just follow Mayweather around he'll be on his bike all night. He will avoid the punch and grab as much as possible. With Hatton commanding the center though, it becomes harder to control distance.

Hatton stand his ground in the center of the ring. Have you seen Hatton in the center of the ring..........................................no...if he is he grabs the guy and pushes the guy back to the ropes. Hatton is not comfortable in the center of the ring. Hatton cannot do anything to floyd withoug getting punched first and last. Floyd is the master of getting off first and getting the last punch. That is why he beat ODH. Hatton wont have to follow floyd around this fight. Floyd is not fighting for a points victory. He is going to try to humiliate hatton with a beating. Hatton will be game and land one punch at a time. Hattons best punch is the left hook to the body and doubling it and tripling it. He cant use this punch in the center of the ring against floyd. He needs him on the ropes. Hatton has fast hands....but he throws wide punches. And he leaves himself open after every big punch. Hatton will lose badly. He will look good for 3 rounds with oohhs an aahhs from the crowd..then it will turn...damnnnnnn!

Ted Stickles
07-30-2007, 10:02 PM
I chose a fight that will happen so that our theories can be put to the test.

What strategy would you advise Hatton to implement as his trainer. If he looses you don't get paid.

I would tell him to be very aggressive hit him on the hips,shoulders ,outside elbows,under the arms, and try and cut him to totally spook him then work on the cut till the ref stoops it because thats going to be his best chance..MUG HIM!!!!!!

sjc
07-30-2007, 10:04 PM
Break his ribs.

Toopretty
07-30-2007, 10:10 PM
I would tell him to be very aggressive hit him on the hips,shoulders ,outside elbows,under the arms, and try and cut him to totally spook him then work on the cut till the ref stoops it because thats going to be his best chance..MUG HIM!!!!!!

Yeah Floyd is going to stand there and let him do all that...ok..good imagination though. I mean floyd has fists too. I mean Hatton is not exactly a hard target:-(

Ambition_Def
07-30-2007, 10:21 PM
Hatton stand his ground in the center of the ring. Have you seen Hatton in the center of the ring..........................................no...if he is he grabs the guy and pushes the guy back to the ropes. Hatton is not comfortable in the center of the ring. Hatton cannot do anything to floyd withoug getting punched first and last. Floyd is the master of getting off first and getting the last punch. That is why he beat ODH.

Yes I have seen Hatton fight lots of times. And he does take the center of the ring. Why the hell would he just stand there in the center? You aren't following this right. Taking the center doesn't mean you just stand there. It means you push your opponent out of the center. When he is further from the center he has to take longer to get from one corner to another. Whereas you from the center can jump out and cut him off easier than just following him around.

Guys who punch and grab nullify all offense. Just watch a Ruiz fight sometime and tell me how many people got off on him first and last. Mayweather will quickly tire of being grabbed and pushed around. He'll get on his bike whether he wants to or not.

Hatton wont have to follow floyd around this fight. Floyd is not fighting for a points victory. He is going to try to humiliate hatton with a beating. Hatton will be game and land one punch at a time.

Well, I feel Hatton is the smaller man. And Mayweather probably hits compareably hard when he wants to. Usually Mayweather gives up the center and his opponents just follow him around like dumbasses. Castillo was the last guy, a true pressure fighter, who utilized the center of the ring greatly to dictate when and where they'd exchange. Despite the 140lb factor, Hatton's punch n' grab style will be decisive in who takes center ring.

Hattons best punch is the left hook to the body and doubling it and tripling it. He cant use this punch in the center of the ring against floyd. He needs him on the ropes. Hatton has fast hands....but he throws wide punches. And he leaves himself open after every big punch. Hatton will lose badly. He will look good for 3 rounds with oohhs an aahhs from the crowd..then it will turn...damnnnnnn!

I'd say his best punch is the overhand right. The one he leads with. The left hook is the finisher if he lands it clean enough though. But more often than not that lead right hand sets up everything Hatton does.

And he is wide open because he has no intention of being at your punch range. I got into this same argument over the Tszyu fight. You can't hit a guy with straight punches when he's right on your chest. Hatton is very clever, you cannot underestimate him.

Pimp C
07-30-2007, 10:21 PM
Hatton stand his ground in the center of the ring. Have you seen Hatton in the center of the ring..........................................no...if he is he grabs the guy and pushes the guy back to the ropes. Hatton is not comfortable in the center of the ring. Hatton cannot do anything to floyd withoug getting punched first and last. Floyd is the master of getting off first and getting the last punch. That is why he beat ODH. Hatton wont have to follow floyd around this fight. Floyd is not fighting for a points victory. He is going to try to humiliate hatton with a beating. Hatton will be game and land one punch at a time. Hattons best punch is the left hook to the body and doubling it and tripling it. He cant use this punch in the center of the ring against floyd. He needs him on the ropes. Hatton has fast hands....but he throws wide punches. And he leaves himself open after every big punch. Hatton will lose badly. He will look good for 3 rounds with oohhs an aahhs from the crowd..then it will turn...damnnnnnn!
Great analysis I agree with everything you said.:good

Toopretty
07-30-2007, 10:28 PM
Hope that Mayweather fight like this :

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In that clip floyd is whooping castillos ass..lol castillo aint hitting shit

1lehudson
07-30-2007, 11:18 PM
honestly Hattons only shot is to land a haymaker. floyd is too long, too fast and too smart. Not saying that hatton isnt a smart fighter because he is, but what Im saying is floyd is too smart to give Hatton his only shot at winning the fight.

Floyd wins this one easy somthing like 118-110, or maybe even a ref stoppage or corner stoppage.

BoxingGuru
07-30-2007, 11:23 PM
Hatton won't beat Mayweather, but it's only because Mayweather will, as usual, run the whole time and avoid a fight. In the one dogfight he was on (Castillo I) he got his ass kicked plain and simple and was gifted.

He ain't fighting anyone who can beat him ever again, and if he does, he will run the whole time like against DLH.

BigReg
07-30-2007, 11:42 PM
Hatton won't beat Mayweather, but it's only because Mayweather will, as usual, run the whole time and avoid a fight. In the one dogfight he was on (Castillo I) he got his ass kicked plain and simple and was gifted.

He ain't fighting anyone who can beat him ever again, and if he does, he will run the whole time like against DLH.

Perosnally I don't think Mayweather ran against DLH or Baldo, but if you wanna make that argument, fine. But please tell me how he ran against Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, Bruseles,Corley, N'Dou(this was a true dogfight, that Floyd won by KO via a triple right hook to the dome, I'm must assume youv'e never seen this fight). How about against Jesus Chavez, or Diego Corrales? I could go on. If people wanna say Floyd doesn't let his hands go enough, or is a jerk, or needs to fight better comp, or is too defensive that's fine. But I never got why people so passionatley try to claim that he runs. This is a guy who is known for standing in front of his opponent or against the ropes and using the philly shell while twisting and turning to avoid shots.

twenty1
07-31-2007, 09:15 AM
don't sign the contract.






REAL TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!

roly
07-31-2007, 03:26 PM
In that clip floyd is whooping castillos ass..lol castillo aint hitting shit

yeah but hatton ain't castillo, if floyd fights in close like that with hatton, hatton will take him out.

Guru_Too_You
07-31-2007, 04:21 PM
Hold for 2:58 of every round and fire one combination.

Ramshall1
07-31-2007, 05:35 PM
Run for 2:58 of every round and fire one puncn at a time.

Bazooka
07-31-2007, 05:42 PM
don't sign the contract.

That is the best way to beat Floyd Probably the only way for Ricky to beat Floyd is by beating him in his pockets by turning down a fight with FMJ and accepting a fight with DLH, that would be a huge slap in the face, and Ricky could easily look at Floyd and tell him, well a fight with Oscar makes Dollas so according to you it must make sense.

rodney
07-31-2007, 09:11 PM
The only chance Fat Boy has would be if Floyd breaks a hand on his face.

The Kurgan
08-01-2007, 05:13 PM
The only chance Fat Boy has would be if Floyd breaks a hand on his face.

^ Another born loser. Don't be surprised if you never get a job as a trainer.

Boro chris
08-01-2007, 05:42 PM
^ Another born loser. Don't be surprised if you never get a job as a trainer.:rofl :rofl :rofl

Be interesting too see how Hatton deals with Floyds side on Kate Moss impression (turns invisible when sideways).
Will he step to the left and land the left or kidney punch him with the right? :D
Most importantly he musn't fall into the trap of arm punching Floyd just to land punches (like Oscar) if your gonna throw body punches make sure they hurt. If you can't land then oh well,Floyds too good.
Another thing that worries me is that Floyd actually took the fight which means that Floyd views Hatton as a very low threat.

tampa
08-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Call Bernard. And ask him for all his dirty secrets and use them against pbf.

Gsand
08-02-2007, 07:24 AM
1) Weight wise, I agree with Nemesis. Basically, Hatton should train as if the fight is at 140, except with less draining (thus coming in somewhere from 142-145). I'd hold a private weigh-in a few days before the fight: if Hatton is over 145, I'd cut his balls off. Or at least make him do a lot of running up hills.

2) I'd work a lot with him on footwork. Hatton will never have the head-movement or the glove-blocking skills to avoid Mayweather's shots. But he can have the foot movement to give Mayweather a minimum of time to work and rest on the outside. Both lateral and linear foot movement would see a lot of work, with particular reference to cutting off the ring and not smothering himself on the inside.

3) Talking of the inside, I'd teach him some sneaky tricks to rest on the OUTSIDE rather than on the inside. With his short arms and style, Hatton should be working every second that he has his head on Mayweather's chest. The inside is not the place for Hatton to rest; it's the place to kick butt and chew bubble-gum, and I don't plan on giving him bubble-gum. Whenever Hatton needs to rest, he needs to use things like the "walk-away" (horrible, I know, but pretty effective) and feinting on the ropes.

4) Talking of the ropes, that's where Hatton needs to get Mayweather. Whenever he can grab onto Floyd, I'd want him to drive forward to get Mayweather onto the ropes (and preferrably near a corner). When the ref breaks them, don't step back much and slam forward at a rapid pace. On the inside, I'd train him to go forward with his head burrowed into Mayweather's chin/eyes: move the head, and the body will follow. Hatton's standard hitting, holding and wrestling are obviously musts; wrestling his arms free is something to pay particular attention to in sparring. I'd have Hatton do some wrestling with backhold/Icelandic wrestlers to maybe learn some new tricks.

5) The body! The body! The body! Forget about Mayweather's head for at least the first 10 rounds. Maybe feint with hooks to the head, but only in preparating for a shot to the body. If Mayweather doesn't offer a spot to the body, then hit the kidneys and hips. Also, remember that if Mayweather's arms are covering his body, he can't hold onto Hatton.

6) Complain to the ref a lot. This does two things: (a) forces the ref to be seen to do something about Mayweather's conduct (because the crowd will get on the ref's case otherwise) and (b) distracts the ref's attention from Hatton's fouling. For instance, in the clinches, if Hatton can't get an arm free he should hold with his arms and open his gloves, as if to say "Hey, HE'S holding!".

7) Mayweather seems to be most vulnerable early on in recent fights against Baldomir and Oscar. Hatton should aim to pick up as many of the first six rounds as possible. I DO think he should aim to get a decision, because I don't think anyone below 154 can KO Mayweather. Hatton needs to look to pick up rounds with his workrate and pressure; if he breaks Floyd's ribs, then so much the better, but I wouldn't want Hatton just looking to find that one shot to the body.

8) Forget about Mayweather's power. He can't hurt Hatton except with a series of combinations, and Mayweather just isn't going to fire them. If Hatton is clearly ahead after 10 rounds (say 7 rounds to 3), then he needs to fight negatively in the 11th, then put on a big show in the 12th to win it. This wins over Vegas judges EVERY TIME (assuming the fight is in Las Vegas, which will become the most westerly part of the UK for that week).

9) On the subject of Las Vegaschester, Hatton needs to play to the crowd a bit. Raising his hands after every round will get the crowd roaring in his favour and make the judges feel a bit nervous. This works for hometown boxers all the time, and anywhere in the world is basically Hatton's hometown. He could fight in Tashkent and still have 10,000 fans from England screaming in his favour. He needs to use this advantage.

Hatton CAN certainly win this one. I wouldn't be shocked if he does. This fight is, in my opinion, 60-40 in Mayweather's favour. I'm picking Mayweather purely because he's more consistent and American judges are more likely to pull a close decision in his favour than Hatton's. However, anyone who thinks that Hatton cannot win this fight is retarded; with the right strategy and a fair bit of luck, Hatton can win this one by as much as 8-4 or 9-3. The styles are in Hatton's favour; the question is, can Hatton make the styles count?


absolutely superb post

possibly the best ive ever seen aside from of course all of my own

DamonD
08-02-2007, 07:49 AM
I assume a lot of people here don't have english as their first language, considering they seem to be reading "devise a strategy" as "brag about how awesome Mayweather is".

Is it that difficult a concept to grasp? Or is there more than a little undercurrent of fear going on here? ;)

Sug3
08-02-2007, 08:01 AM
I think hatton should ask mosley to spar,because i think it works out both way's because they'll get great sparring and it'll help for both there upcoming fight's with cotto and floyd.

What if cotto end's up sparring with floyd and mosley end's up sparring with hatton,i think that would make alot of sense along with a great storyline,because whoever win's may end up facing each other and it'll give us boxing fan's alot more to talk about.