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Shake

07-30-2007, 01:17 PM

I had Witherspoon winning with points to spare.

Minotauro

07-30-2007, 01:32 PM

I thought Witherspoon won, they should have had a rematch.

FlatNose

07-30-2007, 01:55 PM

Larry deserved the decision, but Tim deserved a rematch.

mr. magoo

07-30-2007, 03:05 PM

I picked the squirrel in your avator.

ironchamp

07-30-2007, 03:09 PM

Larry deserved the decision, but Tim deserved a rematch.

Well Said.

cross_trainer

07-30-2007, 03:10 PM

I picked the squirrel in your avator.

Also well said.

Street Lethal

07-30-2007, 03:10 PM

Damn close fight. There should have been a rematch. Tim Witherspoon was, when ready, a fine heavyweight. If he had won there would have been a rematch, so maybe that would have been the best outcome. For me it was a tossup.

Sonny Carson

07-30-2007, 03:30 PM

I had Witherspoon winning it was very close though.

Senya13

07-30-2007, 03:45 PM

Witherspoon close decision.

robert ungurean

07-30-2007, 06:03 PM

Holmes took it. Even though he wasnt in the best of condition.

hobgoblin

07-30-2007, 09:09 PM

It was a COMPETITIVE but CLEAR win for HOLMES. Since Holmes is an ATG and Champion and Spoon was a young contender - people start adding handicaps. To demand the most from Holmes as champion, people overdo it. Just because he didn't KO 1 (exaggeration) Spoon, people have doubts. My first line says it all. Inicidentally, I have him round 9 (one judge agreed with me).

Thread Stealer

07-31-2007, 12:24 AM

I had it 115-114 for Tim.

salsanchezfan

07-31-2007, 12:31 AM

I'm deeply ashamed to say I've never seen it. :oops:

Thread Stealer

07-31-2007, 12:32 AM

I'm deeply ashamed to say I've never seen it. :oops:

It's a pretty decent fight, with a great 9th round.

Among Holmes's defenses, I thought the Weaver fight was the most entertaining.

salsanchezfan

07-31-2007, 12:37 AM

It's a pretty decent fight, with a great 9th round.

Among Holmes's defenses, I thought the Weaver fight was the most entertaining.

...........Nice support group we have here. :D Not sure why I haven't ever seen it. I got into boxing in 1983, and have seen a hell of a lot of stuff via tape and DVD of older fights since, but never really sought out that one, for some reason. Even bought a collection of 20 Holmes fights on Ebay, and it wasn't included. :|

Who is that girl in your avatar, incidentally? Her eyes burn holes right through your head.

Thread Stealer

07-31-2007, 12:48 AM

...........Nice support group we have here. :D Not sure why I haven't ever seen it. I got into boxing in 1983, and have seen a hell of a lot of stuff via tape and DVD of older fights since, but never really sought out that one, for some reason. Even bought a collection of 20 Holmes fights on Ebay, and it wasn't included. :|

Who is that girl in your avatar, incidentally? Her eyes burn holes right through your head.

Aishrwya Rai (not sure if the spelling is right), an Indian actress.

I saw the Tim Witherspoon-Larry Holmes fight for the first time just a couple months ago.

salsanchezfan

07-31-2007, 12:53 AM

Aishrwya Rai (not sure if the spelling is right), an Indian actress.

I saw the Tim Witherspoon-Larry Holmes fight for the first time just a couple months ago.

............Those eyes gave me the idea for a thread in the Lounge; have a gander........

My dinner with Conteh

07-31-2007, 03:22 AM

sweet_scientist

07-31-2007, 03:33 AM

Had Lar by a point.

The consensus is that there should have been a rematch.

JohnThomas1

07-31-2007, 08:08 AM

I had Holmes by a point, sometimes 114-114. Great little fight.

My dinner with Conteh

07-31-2007, 05:14 PM

A draw was just about right.

Mendoza

07-31-2007, 05:53 PM

I felt Holmes won the match. He won too many of the early rounds.

heerko koois

07-31-2007, 06:03 PM

Very close win for Holmes.....just maybe a draw...

Bummy Davis

07-31-2007, 07:19 PM

I had Spoon winning a close one, he had Larry wobbled a few times, Spoon won but Larry was champ so was it enough to take the title

Shake

07-31-2007, 08:19 PM

Larry did a lot of ineffectie punching. I felt Witherspoon outlanded him, and I sincerely believe that had compubox been a factor, it would show Witherspoon had a sizeable edge. That right hand guard had Larry confused all night, he couldn't land the counter-counter-uppercut and kept throwing one-two's that failed to get through.

Clean effective punching is what made me give it to Witherspoon. I'm a big Holmes fan, and had never seen a 'Spoon fight, so I was pleasantly surprised.

good right hand

07-31-2007, 08:53 PM

wow,

even the esb classic consesus its very evenly split,

i have never seen the fight myself and i also hear that larry had his hands full with another good fighter named carl "the truth" williams.

Marciano Frazier

07-31-2007, 08:58 PM

wow,

even the esb classic consesus its very evenly split,

i have never seen the fight myself and i also hear that larry had his hands full with another good fighter named carl "the truth" williams. Holmes was a bit on the decline when Williams got to him.

Unfortunately, I've never seen the complete Holmes-Witherspoon fight.

la-califa

07-31-2007, 09:31 PM

Could have went either way, Unlike the two Holmes-Spinks fights, which Larry clearly won both times!

hobgoblin

08-01-2007, 01:54 AM

Boxing News and the NY Times had Spoon winning. Anyone that didn't have this fight very close is not to be taken seriously.

I didn't say that it was not close. I did say it was COMPETITIVE. But the winner was clear - Larry Holmes. It is sort of like asking what is higher? 90 or 100? It is close - but clear that 100 is higher. Ali-Frazier I. Competitive fight - clear winner - Joe Frazier. I saw the 9th round again on youtube - now I'm retracting giving round 9 to Holmes. It's tough - I'd have to see it again. Maybe a 10 10 round.

I don't care what Boxing News and NY Times have to say. Watching a fight is hardly a scholarly subject - those paid writers have hardly little more authority than a fan who enthusiastically watches a fight. Sure it helps to have inside access to fighters or know some facts - but those writers are not "experts". "Boxing experts" are rare - you need the experience (Merchant lacks this) and the sophistication (Foreman lacks this) and insight. Cus D Amato is an example of a true expert.

hobgoblin

08-01-2007, 01:58 AM

wow,

even the esb classic consesus its very evenly split,

i have never seen the fight myself and i also hear that larry had his hands full with another good fighter named carl "the truth" williams.

see the best round on youtube. be advised that angelo dundee, the one commenting, was a bit upset with holmes for recently thrashing on the ghost of ali - so he may overexaggerate it. measure how many shots spoon lands in the beginning - and then don't let that make you overlook the thrashing that holmes gives back. the fact that he made a big comeback in the round with an equal thrashing - makes me give the round to him - he was even plus had the last word.

a lot of people make a big deal out of this in an effort to hold holmes the champion at very high standards and make sure not to give him too much credit. he clearly but closely won the fight.

My dinner with Conteh

08-01-2007, 03:31 AM

He lost the round and that's all there is to it. If you gave Larry that round then you probably scored the Holyfield fight 120-108 to Holmes.

My dinner with Conteh

08-01-2007, 03:32 AM

I don't care what Boxing News and NY Times have to say. Watching a fight is hardly a scholarly subject - those paid writers have hardly little more authority than a fan who enthusiastically watches a fight. Sure it helps to have inside access to fighters or know some facts - but those writers are not "experts". "Boxing experts" are rare - you need the experience (Merchant lacks this) and the sophistication (Foreman lacks this) and insight. Cus D Amato is an example of a true expert.

My point was, as this thread proves, the consensus had/has it very close and recognise that it could have gone either way.

JohnThomas1

08-01-2007, 06:04 AM

Could have went either way, Unlike the two Holmes-Spinks fights, which Larry clearly won both times!

Noway did Holmes win the first Spinks match. Not even close enough to debate. The second he won, but not the first.

JohnThomas1

08-01-2007, 06:15 AM

For those interested here is the prestigious Ring Magazines scoring of the bout (and the 9th of course)

1. Holmes 10-9
2. Holmes 10-9
3. Witherspoon 10-9
4. Holmes 10-9
5. Holmes 10-9
6. Holmes 10-9
7. Witherspoon 10-9
8. Witherspoon 10-9
9. Witherspoon 10-9
10. Holmes 10-9
11. Holmes 10-9
12. Witherspoon 10-9

Holmes 115-113

Personally i thought a point or two closer.

My dinner with Conteh

08-01-2007, 07:08 AM

Funny when i scored it I remember my two 'swing' rounds were the 6th and 10th. I gave them one apiece but Ring awarded both to Larry. It was thisclose.

JohnThomas1

08-01-2007, 08:05 AM

Funny when i scored it I remember my two 'swing' rounds were the 6th and 10th. I gave them one apiece but Ring awarded both to Larry. It was thisclose.

Fair call, great fight that i enjoy very much.