5 dream fights at Welterweight - without using the same fighters twice

[McGrain]

Poached from Bill The Butcher.

Charley Burley v Sugar Ray Robinson
Kid Gavlian v Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran v Mickey Walker
Jose Napoles v Emille Griffith
Ted Kid Lewis v Barbados Joe Walcott


Let's see yours!

[Loewe]

Hm, I think Duran-Walker is a great great call!

I then would like to see:
Armstrong-Whitaker
Ross-Griffith
Walcott-Hearns
Quartey-Tito

[Holmes' Jab]

Hmm...

Ray Leonard-Emile Griffith
Pernell Whitaker-Jose Napoles
Henry Armstrong-Wilfred Benitez
Tommy Hearns-Mickey Walker
Ray Robinson-Kid Gavilan

[JohnThomas1]

Ray Robinson-Kid Gavilan

:hey

[PowerPuncher]

Mayweather-Duran (Duran 7-5)
Whitaker-Armstrong (Whitaker WIDE UD)
Leonard-Delahoya (Leonard 9-3)
Robinson-Burley (2-1 series)
Napoles-Hearns (Napoles KO14)

[My dinner with Conteh]

Jose Napoles v Emille Griffith


That was more one-sided than Pearl Harbour. ;)

[McGrain]

That was more one-sided than Pearl Harbour. ;)

Haven't you seen the movie? Pearl Harbour was a draw.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Haven't you seen the movie? Pearl Harbour was a draw.

:lol:

Emile was robbed. ;)

[teeto]

:lol:

Emile was robbed. ;)
Bitter, bitter man!

[Holmes' Jab]

Whitaker-Mayweather would be great. Just to see Floyd be one-sidedly schooled.

[teeto]

Hearns-Trinidad
Robinson-Leonard
Gavilan-Griffith
Napoles-Armstrong
Burley-Duran

[My dinner with Conteh]

Bitter, bitter man!


What? :huh

[teeto]

Your avatar, like most of them!

Im jokin (but serious at the same time!) Ha!

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think you like it really.

[McGrain]

:lol:

[teeto]

I think you like it really.

:dead <<< Is that you? Have you overdosed on lemon juice? Are you okay man?

[Hatesrats]

Here is a couple of mine....

Sugar Ray Leonard Vs. Sugar Shane Mosley
Thomas Hearns Vs. Pernell Whitaker
Felix Trinidad Vs. Wilfred Benitez
Roberto Duran Vs. Oscar De La Hoya
Simon Brown Vs. Miguel Cotto

[Minotauro]

Barbados Demon Joe Walcott vs Henry Armstrong
Carmen Basilio vs Mickey Walker
Jose Napoles vs Charley Burley
Sugar Ray Robinson vs Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Holman Williams

[Luigi1985]

Felix Trinidad vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Tommy Hearns vs. Jose Napoles
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Pernell Whitaker
Emile Griffith vs. Jimmy McLarnin
Mickey Walker vs. Barbados Joe Walcott

[Thread Stealer]

Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard
Felix Trinidad vs. Pipino Cuevas
Roberto Duran vs. Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan vs. Charley Burley
Donald Curry vs. Oscar De La Hoya

[Manassa]

Luis Rodriguez vs. Mickey Walker

Jose Napoles vs Kid Gavilan

Emile Griffith vs. Ray Leonard

Henry Armstrong vs. Carmen Basilio

Thomas Hearns vs. Ray Robinson

[Holmes' Jab]

Luis Rodriguez vs. Mickey Walker

Jose Napoles vs Kid Gavilan

Emile Griffith vs. Ray Leonard

Henry Armstrong vs. Carmen Basilio

Thomas Hearns vs. Ray Robinson


Nice picks, mate. The bold ones in particular are gonna be intriuging contests for sure. I included Griffith-SRL in my list. Slight edge to Leonard on their respective best nights but he'd have to dig deep to prevail. I'd say his handspeed, movement and ring savvy will sway the championship rounds his way. Leonard: tight decision.

As for Robinson-Hearns, well barely any fighter in the history of the welterweight division would have the ability to outbox Hearns, as Leonard found out in the first fight Hearns was one helluva tricky assignment to figure out, by the time of the very later rounds Ray needed a stoppage. Enough said. Luckily he got it: closing the show well. Robinson would probably be installed as slight fave here but Hearns' ranginess, adaptibility and power make him a 'live' one for sure. Robbo's chin will pass the test though, close UD.

How do you see 'em going yourself?

:good

[Manassa]

Nice picks, mate. The bold ones in particular are gonna be intriuging contests for sure. I included Griffith-SRL in my list. Slight edge to Leonard on their respective best nights but he'd have to dig deep to prevail. I'd say his handspeed, movement and ring savvy will sway the championship rounds his way. Leonard: tight decision.

As for Robinson-Hearns, well barely any fighter in the history of the welterweight division would have the ability to outbox Hearns, as Leonard found out in the first fight Hearns was one helluva tricky assignment to figure out, by the time of the very later rounds Ray needed a stoppage. Enough said. Luckily he got it: closing the show well. Robinson would probably be installed as slight fave here but Hearns' ranginess, adaptibility and power make him a 'live' one for sure. Robbo's chin will pass the test though, close UD.

How do you see 'em going yourself?

:good

Cheers.

I agree with you on those results.

My favourite fight of those would be Napoles-Gavilan, I think. Very heated, and I'd pick Napoles on account of superior balance and accurate return shots which would catch the wilder Gavilan in between flurries.

[Stonehands89]

Leonard-Basilio * Shades of hellish Duran... only bigger and stronger.

Hearns-Walcott * It would look like a circus act -but I'd love to see if Walcott would make the doubters among us believe the hype...

Whitaker-Starling * For the purists. A duel of defensive capabilities

Burley-Walker * Burley put Elmer Ray to sleep and could handle large men. Walker could too, and was more orthodox than Burley. An interesting clash of similarities and dissimiliarities...

Ted Kid Lewis-Jimmy McLarnin * McLarnin was known as the "Hebrew Scourge" and unfortunately the "Jew Killer" for knocking out several name Jewish fighters of the day --Sid Terris, Joe Glick, Sergeant Sammy Baker, Al Singer-- before he retired Benny Leonard himself. Lewis was himself a Jew who could counter, throw long shots, and swarm like hell... I believe that he fought in every division from Bantam to Heavyweight, and was on his way to challenge Dempsey himself if he overcame Carpentier (but got KOd when he turned to the ref and got caught in round 1)... get this: Kid Lewis was also born in England. McLarnin was born in Ireland... we got a couple of grudges here!

[dpw417]

Henry Armstrong-Shane Mosely Two smallish welters who willingly fought the best of their eras. Hank's rough pressure against Mosely's speed.

Jose Napoles- Mickey Walker. How would this one play out? In the Cokes fights, Napoles' skill and sharp reflexes are incredible...Napoles is however, very aggressive...it might not be wise to share personal space with the 'Toy Bulldog'. I'd be interested in reading opinions on this one.

Charley Burley-Kid Gavilan. A fight I go back and forth on...this week it's Gavilan!

Billy Graham- Ike Williams. The boxer against the lightweight with dynamite in his gloves.

Barney Ross- Pernell Whitaker. Ross' skill against the perplexing style of the southpaw 'Sweet Pea'.

Emile Griffith-Roberto Duran. Emile Griffith fought everyone in a brutal erea, logging more championship rounds than anyone in history. What happens when Duran calls him a 'maricon'? Can Duran back up the tough talk against one of the strongest and most skilled welterweights?

addendum: Stonehands, props on the Lewis/McLarnin match-up...damn, that's a good one.

[Sweet Pea]

Cheers.

I agree with you on those results.

My favourite fight of those would be Napoles-Gavilan, I think. Very heated, and I'd pick Napoles on account of superior balance and accurate return shots which would catch the wilder Gavilan in between flurries.Agreed on that one. I rate Napoles extremely highly ability-wise.

[Sweet Pea]

The ones I'd love to see from this thread:

Ray Robinson vs Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles vs Tommy Hearns
Kid Gavilan vs Emile Griffith
Barbados Joe Walcott vs Henry Armstrong
Mickey Walker vs Barbados Joe Walcott
Roberto Duran vs Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan vs Charley Burley
Jose Napoles vs Kid Gavilan

[Holmes' Jab]

My favourite fight of those would be Napoles-Gavilan, I think. Very heated, and I'd pick Napoles on account of superior balance and accurate return shots which would catch the wilder Gavilan in between flurries.


Yeah I'd pick Napoles myself in that one. I rate him extremely highly: great fundamentals, silky smooth boxer and crisp accurate puncher who possessed great power. Highly watchable fighting style. Beautiful fighter in the purest sense.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hearns-Gavilan (A repeat of Tommy-Leonard?)
Palomino-Cuevas (should’ve happened, I favour Carlos).
Napoles-Walker (Butter vs Bulldog sounds a nice tagline).
Turpin-Leonard (don’t mock, Randy’s jabbing, awkward, ‘chin under the shoulder’ style will give Ray fits).
Armstrong-Basilio (scheduled for 100 rounds)

[Holmes' Jab]

Good stuff, conteh. Napoles-Walker would be a classic. I like your 2nd choice too.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Yeah, shame they didn’t get it on. It was mooted enough back in the day. I think Carlos’s sturdy beard would have withstood the early pressure and he’d have taken over in the second half of the fight. Forcing a late stoppage through a mixture of body attacks and Pipino’s fatigue.an Old Style','serif'] [/font]

[stevebhoy87]

Emile Griffiths v Sugar Ray Robinson
Carmen Basillio v Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard v Charley Burley
Felix Trinidad v Tommy Hearns
Kid Gavilan v Pernell Whitaker

[Bill Butcher]

Armstrong V Duran (A LOT of peoples dream fight, all out war, this was Henry`s best weight so this MUST be Roberto of Montreal or just before)

Robinson V Leonard (If it was in my power & I didnt make this fight, Id regret it forever)

Burley V Whitaker (Does Burley really deserve a shot at Robinson, we find out here against a master boxer that nobody has ever looked good against)

Benitez V Trinidad (Battle of PR, the classic attack v defence fight)

Hearns V Delahoya (Nobody has ever bombed out Oscar, can Tommy ?)

[Manassa]

this was Henry`s best weight

Not really. Part of what makes Armstrong such a legend is the fact he made eighteen defences of the welterweight title even though he was better at lightweight. That was his best weight - not featherweight like some people will tell you, not in his prime.

[Robbi]

Yeah I'd pick Napoles myself in that one. I rate him extremely highly: great fundamentals, silky smooth boxer and crisp accurate puncher who possessed great power. Highly watchable fighting style. Beautiful fighter in the purest sense.

Napoles moved in and out range extremely well. I have described him as a boxer on rollerskates as he was so smooth. Maybe thats slightly overexaggerating matters.

[Holmes' Jab]

Napoles moved in and out range extremely well. I have described him as a boxer on rollerskates as he was so smooth. Maybe thats slightly overexaggerating matters.


Not far off.

[teeto]

Not far off.
Ditto.

[la-califa]

Jose Napoles-Ray Robinson., Felix Trinidad- Wilfred Benitez, Ray Leonard- Floyd Mayweather Jr., Roberto Duran- Fritzie Zivic, Thomas Hearns- Henry Armstrong.

[MagnificentMatt]

I think Mosley - Gavilan would be interesting.