Top 10 chins p4p

[Quickhands21]

In the tyson thread there was a topic and That made me think,Who are the fighters that could take the best shots?


1.Harry Grebb
2.Kid Gavilan
3.Mccall
4.James Toney
5.Tex Cobb
6.Jake Lamotta
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Charley Burley
9.Ali
10.Chuvalo

[McGrain]

Some good names on that list, but Jack Britton should be on there. 350 pro bouts and he was only stopped once, in his second fight.

Dick Tiger would be a worthy addition.

[Quickhands21]

Your right. ill make a better one when i see more footage.Those are just where i rannk those guys in order.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Ali ahead of Chuvalo? Why?

[DINAMITA]

Bernard Hopkins, Vitali Klitschko, Zeljko Mavrovic, Antonio Margarito, Aaron Pryor were all guys I noticed having granite chins. I've never seen Greb fight, so my own no.1 would be James Toney. A natural middleweight who can trade with Sam Peter, generally regarded as one of the heaviest hitters in the heavyweight division, for 24 rounds and not get stopped is something special IMO.

Best example of a great chin in action is the famous one of Pryor being cracked by Arguello's straight shot so that his head snaps back, and he isn't even fazed for a split second. I think it was round 14 of their 1st fight. Incredible.

[Robbi]

Anyone who doesn't have Wayne McCullough in their top 10 either has forgot about him or just doesn't know how good his chin was. It's arguably better than Hagler's based on him moving up in weight and fighting not just chilling punchers, but they were also much bigger physically. McCullough's chin went out of it's comfort zone more than Hagler's, who fought either natural middleweights or fighters moving up in weight. McCullough wasn't anywhere near a natural featherweight when he took Hamed 12 rounds a decade ago. And Hamed is one of the hardest hitting featherweights of all-time. Morales' power at it's most devastating at super-bantamweight and McCullough's chin was awesome that night as he walked through Morales' combinations and straight rights all night long. And McCullough's chin again passed the test when Harrison, who looked like a fighter from three divisions apart, bounced combinations off McCullough's head like it was a punching bag for 12 rounds.


Wayne McCullough's chin, one of the best of all-time. Top 10 easily, more than likely top 5.

[teeto]

For me, there are great, elite level chins, such have been mentioned already here. Hagler, Gavilan, Morales, Greb etc etc.

But two for me are the absolute cream of the crop, and thats Lamotta and McCullough.

[McGrain]

Langford.

[klompton]

Im not so sure that Greb's chin was one of the greatest P4P, his ability to stick the limit and not go down often was more a product of his elusiveness, speed, and defense. Dont get me wrong, when he got tagged he could recover quickly and was strong and durable, but his ability to avoid punishment was probably the prime factor in his long career and ability to avoid getting better acquinted with the canvas.

[bladerunner]

Canzoneri deserves a mention

[Quickhands21]

Ali ahead of Chuvalo? Why?Ali didnt get stopped by Foreman or frazier in his big fights.I think hes more durable

[Russell]

If you want to go obscure, Marion Wilson, the indestructible journeyman. You'll rarely if ever find a guy so battle tested, and unlike even Ray Mercer his chin held out until Wilson was past 50 years old! All this and he's really just a blown up cruiserweight.

Randy Smith is a lot like Wilson at the lower weights. Fought everyone from a prime Hopkin's to Nunn and McCallum. 30 some odd losses and never even off his feet.

[Luigi1985]

These fighters could be also in the list:


Duilio Loi
Panama Al Brown
Barney Ross
Nel Tarleton
Bob Roper
Mike Gibbons
Manuel Ortiz

[ryan8331]

Anyone who doesn't have Wayne McCullough in their top 10 either has forgot about him or just doesn't know how good his chin was. It's arguably better than Hagler's based on him moving up in weight and fighting not just chilling punchers, but they were also much bigger physically. McCullough's chin went out of it's comfort zone more than Hagler's, who fought either natural middleweights or fighters moving up in weight. McCullough wasn't anywhere near a natural featherweight when he took Hamed 12 rounds a decade ago. And Hamed is one of the hardest hitting featherweights of all-time. Morales' power at it's most devastating at super-bantamweight and McCullough's chin was awesome that night as he walked through Morales' combinations and straight rights all night long. And McCullough's chin again passed the test when Harrison, who looked like a fighter from three divisions apart, bounced combinations off McCullough's head like it was a punching bag for 12 rounds.


Wayne McCullough's chin, one of the best of all-time. Top 10 easily, more than likely top 5.
excellent post,i think McCulloughs chin is abit underrated,i dont recall ever sseeing him in trouble,and he was being absolutly shelled by larios in his secoind fight and didnt even blink,

[Bill Butcher]

Of all fights that Ive seen decent footage of, here are my top 10 chins in no order.......

ALI
CHUVALO
LAMOTTA
PRYOR
CHAVEZ
HAGLER
McCULLOUGH
MORALES
TONEY
CALZAGHE (Laugh if you must as I know you are going to but its an iron chin that has stood the test of time)

[Manassa]

Oh for fuck's sake. Ali again.

[Muchmoore]

Oh for fuck's sake. Ali again.

:lol:

Ali's chin is barely top ten for HWs alone :patsch

[Manassa]

Yes. Ali was about as invulnerable as heavyweights get but his punch resistance was probably only 'very good' rather than legendary. He knew how to take the sting off punches, how to clinch, he didn't cut or bruise easily and he was perhaps lucky enough in his later years to not face a dangerous combination hitter.

[Dempsey1238]

I think Micky Walker should be place in the top ten. Assuming he didnt enter the ring drunk or anything. It would be almost impossible to knock him out.

[Luigi1985]

I think Micky Walker should be place in the top ten. Assuming he didnt enter the ring drunk or anything. It would be almost impossible to knock him out.


What´s with Ross (btw one of your favourite fighters, right? :D )? IMO he had also an iron chin, he proved it also against great opposition...

[Muchmoore]

Billy Graham, anyone? I only recently even really knew about him but the guys durability was amazing.

[Dempsey1238]

Ross is up there as well. He was more sober in the ring than Walker. Over 80 fights and not once been stop.

[Luigi1985]

Ross is up there as well. He was more sober in the ring than Walker. Over 80 fights and not once been stop.


Exactly. OK, he was knocked down against the hardpunching natural MW Garcia for example, but let´s not forget, Ross was a natural LW...

[rekcutnevets]

Juan La Porte deserves a mention.

[Robbi]

Of all fights that Ive seen decent footage of, here are my top 10 chins in no order.......

ALI
CHUVALO
LAMOTTA
PRYOR
CHAVEZ
HAGLER
McCULLOUGH
MORALES
TONEY
CALZAGHE (Laugh if you must as I know you are going to but its an iron chin that has stood the test of time)

The chins I have highlighted stand out the most.

[smiffy]

chris eubank had an iron chin.
anyone who doesn't think ali had a cast iron chin should watch the rumble again.

[Robbi]

anyone who doesn't think ali had a cast iron chin should watch the rumble again.

Ali was knocked down by Banks, Cooper, Frazier, and Wepner. That alone doesn't put him among the absolute elite. However, he wasn't stopped in his entire career outwith retiring on his stool against Holmes. His chin was great against Foreman as was his punch resistance to the body. His chin was better than Tyson's as he got off the floor to win and Tyson never. I suppose his recorvery powers were better. Tyson was knocked down more times and every time his ass hit the canvas he never got off the floor to win.

[Robbi]

chris eubank had an iron chin.

Eubank had a very good chin. But again doesn't deserve his placing among the top tier. Watson floored him, Benn did, Collins, and Calzaghe.

[Manassa]

anyone who doesn't think ali had a cast iron chin should watch the rumble again.

No.

Top display of resistance, definitely, but it doesn't prove Ali had a jaw of legendary proportions in the same league as Jake LaMotta. For a start, Foreman's fists even at their best were wide, swinging demolition balls, the kind that forcefully move you from one side of the ring to the other, but they were never knockout shots. A fighter at the hands of Foreman would typically absorb a multitude of heavy punches instead of sharp ones, dulling their senses rather than detaching them outright. Foreman had all the power and aggression in the world but not the right balance of speed, combination punching, science or delivery to spark fighters the way Joe Louis or Mike Tyson did. Ali was able to partially stave off the many punches Foreman threw at him because he could see them miles off and he had time to either defend against them entirely or prepare for impact when the odd clean one did get through.

[Manassa]

Ali was knocked down by Banks, Cooper, Frazier, and Wepner. That alone doesn't put him among the absolute elite. However, he wasn't stopped in his entire career outwith retiring on his stool against Holmes. His chin was great against Foreman as was his punch resistance to the body. His chin was better than Tyson's as he got off the floor to win and Tyson never. I suppose his recorvery powers were better. Tyson was knocked down more times and every time his ass hit the canvas he never got off the floor to win.

It's a question of styles, determination, reflexes and a lot more than just punch resistance. I very much doubt Ali would have fared much better than Tyson if he caught the same barrage off James Douglas or Evander Holyfield.

[Robbi]

It's a question of styles, determination, reflexes and a lot more than just punch resistance. I very much doubt Ali would have fared much better than Tyson if he caught the same barrage off James Douglas or Evander Holyfield.

Absolutley. And Ali's jaw against Liston can't be taken into consideration. Simply because Liston never hit him flush or with anything significant, which ties in with what you mentioned above. People are quick to forget that.

McCullough on the otherhand constantly came forward during all his fights. He didn't mind taking punches to get home with his own. His chin was tested during every fight more or less, unlike Ali's. A strong arguement can be made by anyone for another fighter to have a better chin than McCullough only based on longevity and not being stopped over 150 fights or whatever.

[Quickhands21]

No.

Top display of resistance, definitely, but it doesn't prove Ali had a jaw of legendary proportions in the same league as Jake LaMotta. For a start, Foreman's fists even at their best were wide, swinging demolition balls, the kind that forcefully move you from one side of the ring to the other, but they were never knockout shots. A fighter at the hands of Foreman would typically absorb a multitude of heavy punches instead of sharp ones, dulling their senses rather than detaching them outright. Foreman had all the power and aggression in the world but not the right balance of speed, combination punching, science or delivery to spark fighters the way Joe Louis or Mike Tyson did. Ali was able to partially stave off the many punches Foreman threw at him because he could see them miles off and he had time to either defend against them entirely or prepare for impact when the odd clean one did get through.
Ali didnt have a jaw of legendary proportions..your drunk or something? you esb fags pay to much attention detail n miss basic key points..Look at all the great punchers he faced.Who knocked him out? i guess the norton fight proves his chin wasnt of "legendary proportions".

[Quickhands21]

Liston,Foreman,Frazier,shavers. You know since those guys didnt even lay a glove on Alis chin.. Get outta here

[Manassa]

Who knocked him out?

I don't think you realise that there are many different factors to a knockout other than pure punch resistance.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Liston,Foreman,Frazier,shavers. You know since those guys didnt even lay a glove on Alis chin.. Get outta here


What great blows did Liston and Foreman land on Ali's chin then?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Ali didnt get stopped by Foreman or frazier in his big fights.I think hes more durable



Chuvalo was easier to cut.That's like questioning Napoles' chin because of the Backus fight. George was never saved by the bell like Ali had been.

[Quickhands21]

Foreman was pounding him to body and head...tell me who knocked him out though?

[My dinner with Conteh]

I don't think he landed great head shots and Liston barely landed anything that resembled a 'power shot'.

[Quickhands21]

Still didnt answer

[My dinner with Conteh]

Foreman was pounding him to body and head...tell me who knocked him out though?



Kent Green.


Who knocked Chuvalo down?

[Quickhands21]

Ill leave this thread alone..I put ali on my list based off of the success he had against the greatest punchers an opposition of any heavy ever.By far. I dont say anything on his record that says ko.in his prime..That stands for a lot.He had top 10 chin p4p all time

[My dinner with Conteh]

Ill leave this thread alone..I put ali on my list based off of the success he had against the greatest punchers an opposition of any heavy ever.By far. I dont say anything on his record that says ko.in his prime..That stands for a lot.He had top 10 chin p4p all time


The why's Cobb above him?

[Quickhands21]

Because Cobb was shit besides his chin..Nothing but punch resistance..Chuvalo was far more skilled.Texx just took poundings. it was his bread n butter an had a good bit of success for a fighter with club level skills

[Manassa]

Foreman was pounding him to body and head...tell me who knocked him out though?

Understand something - 'chin' is how well you cope when tagged raw by a powerful shot. Other factors contribute to how well you can survive in a fight, such as cut resistance, reflexes, defensive techniques and smarts (ability to clinch, when to take a knee etc.). Ali's base level of durability upstairs was very good as he could catch shots from big hitters without going down, however he was stunned or downed on multiple occasions and wasn't actually as tested as you might think; when do you remember Ali being hit by a combination? See, that's where the reflexes and defence comes into it.

'Legendary' is Marvin Hagler, Jake LaMotta, Oliver McCall and so on.

[Quickhands21]

i see what your saying

[Manassa]

Well stone me, I wasn't expecting that.

[Robbi]

Ali didnt have a jaw of legendary proportions..your drunk or something? you esb fags pay to much attention detail n miss basic key points..Look at all the great punchers he faced.Who knocked him out? i guess the norton fight proves his chin wasnt of "legendary proportions".

He was knocked down four times in his career. Credit to Ali's punch resistance when he was up against it as he was never stopped. I believe a chin can just be like a fighters performance; timing, speed, defense, etc, it can be inconsistent. At times Ali did show a 'legendary chin' but looking at his whole career you couldn't say it was top tier. Clearly not. Nobody is saying that his chin is bad.

His chin was awesome more often than not when he was hit flush, but he clearly doesn't belong with Hagler and McCullough in the chin department. Those guys were never floored and never looked like going down, Ali on the otherhand did.

Banks, Cooper, Frazier, Wepner. All knocked Ali down with single shots. Ok, they never stopped him but those knockdowns alone prevent his chin from being among the creme of the crop.

[Bill Butcher]

What great blows did Liston and Foreman land on Ali's chin then?

Liston hit Ali`s body more than the head, he landed the odd one to the head but it was pretty hard to hit a 22 yr old Ali, any one he did land was soaked up by Ali, Foreman landed numerous punches on Ali`s face/chin, I specifically remember a huge uppercut in or around rd 7 & Ali`s eyes cleared in under 2 secs, that punch would have ended any other fight.

Just because Ali was a master at surviving & clinching immediately after being hurt, dont think he cant take a punch, the very fact that he always has his whereabouts after being tagged shows how well he takes a punch.

Ernie Shavers was voted the hardest hitting HWT ever & he hit Ali MANY MANY times on the chin when Ali was WAY past his best in 1977, just 1 fight before he lost to Spinks & Ali said to him `show me something Ernie`

Ali`s chin was gold. Case closed.

[Maxmomer]

Banks, Cooper, Frazier, Wepner. All knocked Ali down with single shots. Ok, they never stopped him but those knockdowns alone prevent his chin from being among the creme of the crop.

Wepner doesn't count.

[Quickhands21]

Liston hit Ali`s body more than the head, he landed the odd one to the head but it was pretty hard to hit a 22 yr old Ali, any one he did land was soaked up by Ali, Foreman landed numerous punches on Ali`s face/chin, I specifically remember a huge uppercut in or around rd 7 & Ali`s eyes cleared in under 2 secs, that punch would have ended any other fight.

Just because Ali was a master at surviving & clinching immediately after being hurt, dont think he cant take a punch, the very fact that he always has his whereabouts after being tagged shows how well he takes a punch.

Ernie Shavers was voted the hardest hitting HWT ever & he hit Ali MANY MANY times on the chin when Ali was WAY past his best in 1977, just 1 fight before he lost to Spinks & Ali said to him `show me something Ernie`

Ali`s chin was gold. Case closed.
Thank you brother!! see some people on here know how to watch footage

[Quickhands21]

He was knocked down four times in his career. Credit to Ali's punch resistance when he was up against it as he was never stopped. I believe a chin can just be like a fighters performance; timing, speed, defense, etc, it can be inconsistent. At times Ali did show a 'legendary chin' but looking at his whole career you couldn't say it was top tier. Clearly not. Nobody is saying that his chin is bad.

His chin was awesome more often than not when he was hit flush, but he clearly doesn't belong with Hagler and McCullough in the chin department. Those guys were never floored and never looked like going down, Ali on the otherhand did.

Banks, Cooper, Frazier, Wepner. All knocked Ali down with single shots. Ok, they never stopped him but those knockdowns alone prevent his chin from being among the creme of the crop.
err.mostly off balance bud

[Manassa]

err.mostly off balance bud

Mostly? Two of them wrecked him, the other was a legitimate knockdown. One was a bit of a farce, I'll give you that.

[Quickhands21]

When was he hurt or staggered????? He wasnt..He rose right back up with no ill effects

[Maxmomer]

When was he hurt or staggered????? He wasnt..He rose right back up with no ill effects

Have you seen the Cooper KD?

[Manassa]

When was he hurt or staggered????? He wasnt..He rose right back up with no ill effects

:lol:

[Robbi]

Mostly? Two of them wrecked him, the other was a legitimate knockdown. One was a bit of a farce, I'll give you that.

Wepner I assume?

[bigjake]

Ali didnt get stopped by Foreman or frazier in his big fights.I think hes more durable

if this is about chins,chuvalos is way above ali or foreman both of who were down a few times

[arther1045]

It's a question of styles, determination, reflexes and a lot more than just punch resistance. I very much doubt Ali would have fared much better than Tyson if he caught the same barrage off James Douglas or Evander Holyfield.

Its amazing what people will say to overrated Tyson's chin. Ali took a ton more punishment against Frazier at least twice and against Holmes and even Norton then Tyson ever did. Ali finished all fights Tyson couldn't finish any tough fight yet on this board Tyson had the better chin. This is a joke right.

[Maxmomer]

1. Joe Grimm
2. Randall Tex Cobb
3. Jake LaMotta
4. Harry Greb
5. Rocky Marciano

Thats my top five, honorable mentions? Everett Bigfoot Martin, Ross Purritty, and that other heavyweight Danny (starts with a W) who fought guys like Trevor Berbick and many others, but seldom got knocked out, though he had over 100 losses.

Marciano in top 5 p4p? I don't see it.

[Quickhands21]

:lol:
laughs the fag who never boxed with the emo avatar

[the cobra]

Juan LaPorte, as someone stated earlier, must be mentioned.

Carmen Basilio is a top 5 IMO.

[Maxmomer]

laughs the fag who never boxed with the emo avatar

How can you say he suffered no ill effects from the Cooper knock down?

[Manassa]

laughs the fag who never boxed with the emo avatar

Pull yourself together.

[Polymath]

Toney - Peter and Rahman, while limited in their ways, both hit like a mule kicking down hill; the fact a former 160lber can stand in the pocket with guys like that is to me mind boggling. Anyone who has even sparred a few rounds knows how draining it is taking shots from someone even 10lbs naturally bigger, Toney is the Tiger Woods of chins.


Ollie McCall laughs at you feeble mortals.


Ali, for a slightly leftfield reason: most granite chinned fighters are squat no-neck types; Ali was a naturally long, lean fighter- a solid chin on his body type, especially ay heaveyweight, is a rarity.

[paidinrakim]

jake lamotta

[True Writer]

Calzaghe - hahahahahahahahahahaha thats a joke!

As for Greb - how can anyone put him at number 1 - there is such limited footage of the guy. The way this guy is overated on this site is amazing.

[Maxmomer]

As for Greb - how can anyone put him at number 1 - there is such limited footage of the guy. The way this guy is overated on this site is amazing.

2,591 rounds, 300 fights, against most of the best fighters of his era with only 2 stoppage losses, one in his 7th fight, and one due to a broken arm.

[young griffo]

Anyone who doesn't have Wayne McCullough in their top 10 either has forgot about him or just doesn't know how good his chin was. It's arguably better than Hagler's based on him moving up in weight and fighting not just chilling punchers, but they were also much bigger physically. McCullough's chin went out of it's comfort zone more than Hagler's, who fought either natural middleweights or fighters moving up in weight. McCullough wasn't anywhere near a natural featherweight when he took Hamed 12 rounds a decade ago. And Hamed is one of the hardest hitting featherweights of all-time. Morales' power at it's most devastating at super-bantamweight and McCullough's chin was awesome that night as he walked through Morales' combinations and straight rights all night long. And McCullough's chin again passed the test when Harrison, who looked like a fighter from three divisions apart, bounced combinations off McCullough's head like it was a punching bag for 12 rounds.


Wayne McCullough's chin, one of the best of all-time. Top 10 easily, more than likely top 5.
Amen.
Best whiskers I've ever seen in my time as a boxing fan.Seriously underrated IMO.

[Robbi]

Amen.
Best whiskers I've ever seen in my time as a boxing fan.Seriously underrated IMO.

People on here are continually crucified for having certain fighters in their top 10 'pound for pound' and others missing within their top 10. eg; Ali in their top 5 and Charles not in their top 10.

McCullough's chin resume is as good as any fighter in history considering he was a natural bantamweight. If you don't have McCullough in your top 10 chins of all-time then something is far wrong. His fighting style further enhances the arguement.

[Quickhands21]

2,591 rounds, 300 fights, against most of the best fighters of his era with only 2 stoppage losses, one in his 7th fight, and one due to a broken arm.
Not to mention basically blind..

[My dinner with Conteh]

When was he hurt or staggered????? He wasnt..He rose right back up with no ill effects



:lol:

[My dinner with Conteh]

I know what's coming next: "He was up at three vs Cooper".
So was Amir Khan last week, totally fucked, not knowing what day it was. Only the bell couldn't save him.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Liston hit Ali`s body more than the head, he landed the odd one to the head but it was pretty hard to hit a 22 yr old Ali, any one he did land was soaked up by Ali.



He wasn't hit flush on the chin by Liston, so you agree with that.


Foreman landed numerous punches on Ali`s face/chin, I specifically remember a huge uppercut in or around rd 7 & Ali`s eyes cleared in under 2 secs, that punch would have ended any other fight.



Can't recall this monster dig, I'll rewatch it.





Ali`s chin was gold. Case closed.


True. Not top 10 pfp though. Case open.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Obviously i'm not comparing Clay with Khan, we know Ali had a great chin but he was well gone vs Cooper and anyone who denies this is a joke.

[Robbi]

True. Not top 10 pfp though. Case open.

More like, Ali's chin wasn't top 10 'pound for pound'. Case closed.

[My dinner with Conteh]

That even :yep

[Manassa]

I'm happy with both.