If Tyson came around today...

[josak]

So lets say a young Tyson comes around today. How fast or easier would he blow out the HW division?? Or would he be to small to take on todays giant (mostly fat) heavyweights?

[fists of fury]

...It'd be the 80's all over again, but maybe easier. Wlad would be the only real challenge, imo. That would be interesting...

Sam Peter...nah, too raw, too crude. Ruddock 1 or 2 type fight here.

Valuev's size might prove problematic, but the giant would lose by wide decision or early KO.

I don't see anyone else having a prayer.

[Wit Tank]

Pretty much the same as the 80's. I cant imagine Wlad not being intimidated by Tyson's persona and there's no one else in the division with any ability. (Haven't a clue how Haye is gonna fare to be honest.)

[Loewe]

Wlad, Chagaev and Valuev would give him a good fight, Peter also for a few rounds, if Vitali hasn´t lost anything he would do so also. The rest would be cannon fodder.

But come on another thread to somehow show how great Tyson was?

[Mike T]

It would be the same. Peter gets KO'd very early though.

[josak]

ya i agree , tyson would mash up todays no talent HW's. Klitchsco would wet his pants against Tyson and would get KO'd. Sam Peter would get bull-dozed ala Trever Berbick.

Tyson at 215lbs tho, would look pretty small, but I guess that just means a bigger target for him.

[Holmes' Jab]

Definitely easier than the 80's. A good deal so too. Wlad might last beyond the mid-rounds if he's lucky, but he's not assertive enough in the clinches and would be picked appart for sure and eventually pumelled from mid-range. If he'd a better chin he'd do well.

Everyone else would get decisively beaten. Haye would be totally out of his depth.

[mr. magoo]

...It'd be the 80's all over again, but maybe easier. Wlad would be the only real challenge, imo. That would be interesting...

Sam Peter...nah, too raw, too crude. Ruddock 1 or 2 type fight here.

Valuev's size might prove problematic, but the giant would lose by wide decision or early KO.

I don't see anyone else having a prayer.

Co-sign.

[Danny]

...It'd be the 80's all over again, but maybe easier. Wlad would be the only real challenge, imo. That would be interesting...

Sam Peter...nah, too raw, too crude. Ruddock 1 or 2 type fight here.

Valuev's size might prove problematic, but the giant would lose by wide decision or early KO.

I don't see anyone else having a prayer.

Wlad would get taken out inside a round by Tyson. Listen, we all know how fast Tyson gets down to business. The moment Mike is right on Wladamir like a harbour shark, Wladamir would not know WTF is happening.

Imagine it though, the young/contender Tyson on the scene now lol! He would rip the HW division to bits, & like you, I think it would be easier.

Guys like Danny Williams, Audley Harrison, even David Haye, would want no part of a fighter that was as good as Tyson was when he was a contender, chomping away at the bit to get a title shot.

[Holmes' Jab]

I'd love to see a matchup between the deluded joke Fraudley and 80's Tyson. It had better not be PPV, though. :yep :bbb


It would make the Spinks fight look timid. First bomb that lands ...

[godking]

The same as in the 80s Wlad might offer a challenge .

[LennoxGOAT]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.

[Bill Butcher]

...It'd be the 80's all over again

Truer words rarely spoken :good

Prime Tyson would dominate these current HWTs without being run too close IMO.

I dont even think any of them could get close enough to lose by split decision, if any of them dont get KTFO then they lose wide on pts.
Mike was just too good in every department for these dickheads.

Ps. Tyson of the 80s would come out on top vs Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe etc IMO too, he was just an awesome force at his peak.

:thumbsup

[DINAMITA]

I think this is a fairly easy one. 1980s Tyson was a level or more above any active heavyweight just now. He would demolish them all. The only person I think could give him a genuine challenge would be a fit and active Vitali Klitschko. But even then, I think absolute peak, fit, sharp Tyson would force the referee to stop it late on.

I had considered this question before, and I understand if people think Wlad or Valuev could cause him problems with their size. However, to those people I would say watch Tyson v Pinklon Thomas. Then watch any heavyweight title fight in the past 5 years.

Seriously, it's like a different sport. The speed and boxing skills evident in Tyson-Thomas are a world away from the painfully slow, ultra-cautious prodding that heavyweights do for 12 rounds these days.

[Bill Butcher]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.

No disrespect... but this was a terrible post.

We are not talking about the Tyson that lost to Lennox here, hell, we are not even talking about the Tyson that lost to Holyfield either.
Tyson from the 80s was a killer & very complete, just about as good as one could be for his height & weight with close to 0 limits or liabilities.

Go watch prime Tyson of 85-89 then come back & see if you have the humour to re-type a similar post.

:thumbsup

[Ted Stickles]

Pinklon Thomas would be formidable today let alone a prime Tyson.......HAHAHA

[godking]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.Who gave Tyson ''serious struggles in the 80s.

being beaten across the ring while surviving by clinching does not mean that you gave him trouble ?.

Tucker was better then anyone right now with the exception of wlad.

[Dempsey1238]

As with evey one, I think Tyson blasts though todays divsion.
The only guy I see problems as said before is VK, and he has to be in top shape to pull it off.

Of couse, Tyson may blast his way though the divsion, belive his own hype, stop training, going to stripclubs, and get upset some were down the line as did happen in real life. I dont think Tyson retires unbeating. Knowing Tyson, he may slip up some were down the line.

[janitor]

I honestly doubt that any of the curent beltholders could last more than a few rounds against Tyson at his peak.

Frankly I think that a few of the guys Tyson blew out would have been beltholders today.

[Muchmoore]

Definitely easier than the 80's. A good deal so too. Wlad might last beyond the mid-rounds if he's lucky, but he's not assertive enough in the clinches and would be picked appart for sure and eventually pumelled from mid-range. If he'd a better chin he'd do well.

Everyone else would get decisively beaten. Haye would be totally out of his depth.

:good

Peter is far too crude to give him any trouble, and considering the trouble McCline gave him, Tyson wins it early. Wlad gives him trouble but stopped around 4.

[Muchmoore]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.

That's probably the worst post I've ever read, no offense.

[janitor]

[quote=LennoxGOAT]I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.


They arnt though.

Larry Holmes was agout as mentaly tough as you could get.

The curent beltholders are emotional children compared to him.


Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.


Bigger and better athleticaly?

They are fatter I will give you that.


Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).


If your only plan for fighting Tyson is to jab him and hold on when he gets in close then you have lost the fight before the opening bell.

Without a suite on infighting skills you would have no chance.

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A snowball in hells chance perhaps.


A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.


I must strongly beg to differ.

I would be curious to know how they are more skilled than Spinks, Holmes, Tubbs, Williams, and a host of others.


Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.


More like Ruddock without the durability.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

So did Bruno.

It only got him a beating.


Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.


His only limit was his focus.

You give Tyson the focus of Evander Holyfield and we would say:

Louis
Ali
Tyson

Then cross ourselves.

[Loewe]

[quote]


They arnt though.

Larry Holmes was agout as mentaly tough as you could get.

The curent beltholders are emotional children compared to him.



Bigger and better athleticaly?

They are fatter I will give you that.



If your only plan for fighting Tyson is to jab him and hold on when he gets in close then you have lost the fight before the opening bell.

Without a suite on infighting skills you would have no chance.



A snowball in hells chance perhaps.



I must strongly beg to differ.

I would be curious to know how they are more skilled than Spinks, Holmes, Tubbs, Williams, and a host of others.



More like Ruddock without the durability.



So did Bruno.

It only got him a beating.



His only limit was his focus.

You give Tyson the focus of Evander Holyfield and we would say:

Louis
Ali
Tyson

Then cross ourselves.

While I agree with your last part I think you underate the current crop slightly and do the same the other way around to the 80´s hws. Valuev and Chagaev are better than you give them credit.

Personally, I think Tyson would lay out Wlad pretty early, inside the first 5 rounds. Chagaev has a very good chin, good stamina and a good defense and I think he would last into the last rounds and perhaps would last the distance. Valuev has also a very good chin and stamina, his size will pose some problems for Tyson as will his weight and his leaning on Tyson, I think Valuev gives him the hardest fight and even has a chance at winning a SD or MD by tiring Tyson and taking the late rounds, not much though.

[radianttwilight]

I don't think "good defense" is part of the equation to beat Tyson.

To beat a prime Tyson with defensive moves moves would take a defensive heavyweight the likes of which we've never seen, someone like a Whitaker/Locche-level defensive expert. I doubt that we will ever see one in our lifetimes.

The key is a good offense and a nullifying-type defense. Someone like Bernard Hopkins at heavyweight would be an interesting matchup for a prime Tyson.

[janitor]

Valuev has also a very good chin and stamina, his size will pose some problems for Tyson as will his weight and his leaning on Tyson, I think Valuev gives him the hardest fight and even has a chance at winning a SD or MD by tiring Tyson and taking the late rounds, not much though.

I would pay money to see him try to lean on Tyson.

[Loewe]

I would pay money to see him try to lean on Tyson.

Come on, Tyson was very inactive on the inside and if he comes close Valuev plays Quiet Man. Tyson´s distance was the half-distance, I don´t think he would have much problem to get there but to land his punches on Valuev he would get so near that the Russian behemoth could grab him.

[ChrisPontius]

Tucker was better then anyone right now with the exception of wlad.

I disagree.

Who did Tucker ever beat? A fat Douglas, who was beating him handily until the buster ran out of gas?

Chagaev's resume has better wins. So does Peter's. Valuev's doing pretty okay.

Obviously, i won't pick any of them to beat Tyson, but they accomplished as much or more than Tucker.

[punchy]

The reality is there is not a top ten heavyweight fighting today, unless you count Holyfield, so there is no one to match a prime destroyer like Tyson but there are a couple of decent fighters who could maybe go the distance with him in Wlad and some of the Russians.

[JohnThomas1]

I disagree.

Who did Tucker ever beat? A fat Douglas, who was beating him handily until the buster ran out of gas?



Just on this one, the fight was dead even at the time of stoppage. I'll have to rewatch it tho, my memory is that Douglas had been the better fighter prior to the finish.

[Loewe]

The reality is there is not a top ten heavyweight fighting today, unless you count Holyfield, so there is no one to match a prime destroyer like Tyson but there are a couple of decent fighters who could maybe go the distance with him in Wlad and some of the Russians.

There is not a top20 hw fighting now but neither Tyson nor Holy were top10 themselves.

[ironchamp]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.

Yet if you remove his name from Evander Holyfield's resume, Evander wouldnt make the top 15 ATG HW list.

Lennox views the Tyson win as his crowning achievement.

You know its funny its always the sportswriters and bitter fans who undermine Tyson. But when Mike is in a room with fellow fighters from the past and present- they all respect him.

Holyfield, Bruno, Lewis, Klistchko (both), Peter, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Spinks, Holmes (reluctantly), Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Trinidad, Duran, Hearns, Chavez, De la Hoya, Hopkins, Judah, Toney, Byrd- all these fighters have publicly conveyed thier level of respect for Mike. None of them would call him a mental midget like some of these posters here and frankly they are accomplished fighters- they know how it like and they respect him alot more than some keyboard warriors.

You know for a midget with limits and liabities he sort of went the extra mile.

[boxingcar]

...It'd be the 80's all over again, but maybe easier. Wlad would be the only real challenge, imo. That would be interesting...

Sam Peter...nah, too raw, too crude. Ruddock 1 or 2 type fight here.

Valuev's size might prove problematic, but the giant would lose by wide decision or early KO.

I don't see anyone else having a prayer.

I disagree. I totally disagree , and i would even say that the 80's were under shit in terms of talent. And concidering that a prime Tyson used to struggle against total bums , not to mention , the fact that he also was defeated by a bum (buster douglas , an absolutely overrated trash of a fighter)...

I sincerely do not see how Tyson would have it "easy".

[kenmore]

So lets say a young Tyson comes around today. How fast or easier would he blow out the HW division?? Or would he be to small to take on todays giant (mostly fat) heavyweights?

A prime Tyson would blow all of today's guys away. Vlad might give Tyson a little trouble before taking the ten count within five rounds.

[godking]

I disagree. I totally disagree , and i would even say that the 80's were under shit in terms of talent. And concidering that a prime Tyson used to struggle against total bums , not to mention , the fact that he also was defeated by a bum (buster douglas , an absolutely overrated trash of a fighter)...

I sincerely do not see how Tyson would have it "easy".name the ''struggles'' against bums and Douglas was a legit ranked hw at the time of the Tyson fight so no he was not a bum.

[godking]

There is not a top20 hw fighting now but neither Tyson nor Holy were top10 themselves.A guy who wins his first title at 20 is the first and LAST man to unify all the relevant titles of his era had a fair number of title fights damn near cleaned out every legit hw of the 80s during his title run is'nt top 10 ?.

[Loewe]

A guy who wins his first title at 20 is the first and LAST man to unify all the relevant titles of his era had a fair number of title fights damn near cleaned out every legit hw of the 80s during his title run is'nt top 10 ?.

His accomplishments are up there with the guys in the Top10 but his resume isn´t.

[BritInvasion]

Let's be clear, Wlad is the only guy approaching a 'good' chance. Peter would maybe make for a good fight, and Povetkin might have more then we anticipate, but I think its fair to assume Tyson would cruise to the top right now before his almost certain implosion.

[boxingcar]

name the ''struggles'' against bums and Douglas was a legit ranked hw at the time of the Tyson fight so no he was not a bum.

Struggle may be a strong word , but going to a decision against bums in his prime , that's what he did. "prime" or not , Tyson was certainly no exception.

And Buster Douglas was an overrated bum.

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis...
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta
1987 Tyson vs James smith
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs

Based on his performance against these fighters...I don't see how it would be "easier". You people are absolutely deluded and full of shit. Pretty much the equivalent of creationists who have lost touch with reality.

Tyson was a human being. Not a demi-god. He had his weaknesses , just like everyone else but his fans tend to paint this guy as some sort of invincible monster and are constantly giving excuses after excuses to justify his losses.

Tyson was an impressive athlete who was dominting an extremely shitty era. Then again , I'd argue that most eras are shit by default.

I find those of you who are claiming that certain eras were better then "X era" are either hypocrites or irreversibly deluded.

Make no mistake. ALL eras had their ups and downs. ALL of them.

and the guys i've mentioned (tillis , green etc..) Aren't anything special...not just in the 80's , or 90's or today...But by any standards. And yet , people are still concidering this era as somehow "different". In terms of talent ?...Same as today. It had ups and downs. But it wasn't superior

[Maxmomer]

That's probably the worst post I've ever read, no offense.

I agree, but with offense added.

[anut]

if tyson of the late 80s and early 90s..........would knock out valuev no prob......vitali...no prob.....wlad no prob.......peter no prob

NO PROB MIKE TYSON UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP/////:smoke:smoke:smoke

[anut]

I don't like Tyson's chances against some. The Euro's are far more mentally tough than anyone Tyson blew out in the 80's.

Combine that with the fact that Tyson had serious struggles against far inferior bigs of the 80's, Tyson would have problems in today's era where they are bigger and better athletically.

Manny's Wlad would hug and grab til Tyson tired (which he would because Wlad would lay on him plus land his superior jab when Tyson would be on the outside).

Valuev would attempt the same and his chin would give him a chance.

A healthy Ruslan and Povetkin are both more skilled than anyone Tyson faced.

Peter's chin and dirty tactics (like Holyfield) would give him a chance to frustrate Tyson.

Haye would have the power to catch Tyson.

etc.....

Tyson was a crazy entertaining fighter but he was a midget with limits and liabilities.

are u 4 real.............:huh:huh:huh

[anut]

Struggle may be a strong word , but going to a decision against bums in his prime , that's what he did. "prime" or not , Tyson was certainly no exception.

And Buster Douglas was an overrated bum.

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis...
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta
1987 Tyson vs James smith
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs

Based on his performance against these fighters...I don't see how it would be "easier". You people are absolutely deluded and full of shit. Pretty much the equivalent of creationists who have lost touch with reality.

Tyson was a human being. Not a demi-god. He had his weaknesses , just like everyone else but his fans tend to paint this guy as some sort of invincible monster and are constantly giving excuses after excuses to justify his losses.

Tyson was an impressive athlete who was dominting an extremely shitty era. Then again , I'd argue that most eras are shit by default.

I find those of you who are claiming that certain eras were better then "X era" are either hypocrites or irreversibly deluded.

Make no mistake. ALL eras had their ups and downs. ALL of them.

and the guys i've mentioned (tillis , green etc..) Aren't anything special...not just in the 80's , or 90's or today...But by any standards. And yet , people are still concidering this era as somehow "different". In terms of talent ?...Same as today. It had ups and downs. But it wasn't superior

UMMM CORRIE SANDERS/ROSS PURRITTY/LAMON BREWSTER.

[TIGEREDGE]

I think this is a fairly easy one. 1980s Tyson was a level or more above any active heavyweight just now. He would demolish them all. The only person I think could give him a genuine challenge would be a fit and active Vitali Klitschko. But even then, I think absolute peak, fit, sharp Tyson would force the referee to stop it late on.

I had considered this question before, and I understand if people think Wlad or Valuev could cause him problems with their size. However, to those people I would say watch Tyson v Pinklon Thomas. Then watch any heavyweight title fight in the past 5 years.

Seriously, it's like a different sport. The speed and boxing skills evident in Tyson-Thomas are a world away from the painfully slow, ultra-cautious prodding that heavyweights do for 12 rounds these days.

i agree that VK would give mike some trouble but he would succumb in the end

[punchy]

There is not a top20 hw fighting now but neither Tyson nor Holy were top10 themselves.
Wlad is top twenty and a prime Tyson is top ten easy it is the latter part of his career that pulls his ranking down, anyway agreed Tyson still wins.

[The Predator]

I gonna take a risk here and say that Wladimir seems a bit to slow for Tyson, I think Tyson would take him out within 4 rounds. Valuev is a BIG man and a very slow man. It would be hard for Tyson to miss a shot against a target of that size. I´m sorry but I have to say that in my opinion the heavyweight division of today is the worst ever.( Don´t know how it was during the Primo Carnera era)
All the best
The Predator

[godking]

Struggle may be a strong word , but going to a decision against bums in his prime , that's what he did. "prime" or not , Tyson was certainly no exception.

And Buster Douglas was an overrated bum.

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis...
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta
1987 Tyson vs James smith
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs

Based on his performance against these fighters...I don't see how it would be "easier". You people are absolutely deluded and full of shit. Pretty much the equivalent of creationists who have lost touch with reality.

Tyson was a human being. Not a demi-god. He had his weaknesses , just like everyone else but his fans tend to paint this guy as some sort of invincible monster and are constantly giving excuses after excuses to justify his losses.

Tyson was an impressive athlete who was dominting an extremely shitty era. Then again , I'd argue that most eras are shit by default.

I find those of you who are claiming that certain eras were better then "X era" are either hypocrites or irreversibly deluded.

Make no mistake. ALL eras had their ups and downs. ALL of them.

and the guys i've mentioned (tillis , green etc..) Aren't anything special...not just in the 80's , or 90's or today...But by any standards. And yet , people are still concidering this era as somehow "different". In terms of talent ?...Same as today. It had ups and downs. But it wasn't superior

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis : Tillis did well angainst a 19 year old Tyson still lost the decision.
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green : Green got his ass kicked across the Ring receiving a 10 round beating without winning one round.
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta : Ribalta did well to last as long as he did still lost in a fight that Tyson dominated.
1987 Tyson vs James smith : Held on for dear life to survive
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker : Did well in the first rounds was beaten as the fight progressed was being outjabbed from the seventh round on
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs : Biggs was DOMINATED and played with by Tyson before being stopped.

Did you actually see these fights or did you just read Tyson boxrec record ?.

[Maxmomer]

I think Tyson would ruin the shit out of Wlad. 6th round KO.

[mrbassie]

...It'd be the 80's all over again, but maybe easier. Wlad would be the only real challenge, imo. That would be interesting...

Sam Peter...nah, too raw, too crude. Ruddock 1 or 2 type fight here.
Valuev's size might prove problematic, but the giant would lose by wide decision or early KO.

I don't see anyone else having a prayer.

You're joking?! Tyson would annihilate Wlad. Wlad would be beaten before the fight started, he's too nervous to go after the likes of Thompson, not to mention his weak chin. Vitali on the other hand would be interesting but then he can take a punch.

[boxingcar]

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis : Tillis did well angainst a 19 year old Tyson still lost the decision.
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green : Green got his ass kicked across the Ring receiving a 10 round beating without winning one round.
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta : Ribalta did well to last as long as he did still lost in a fight that Tyson dominated.
1987 Tyson vs James smith : Held on for dear life to survive
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker : Did well in the first rounds was beaten as the fight progressed was being outjabbed from the seventh round on
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs : Biggs was DOMINATED and played with by Tyson before being stopped.

Did you actually see these fights or did you just read Tyson boxrec record ?.

I've seen these fights and i fucking KNOW that he was winning. That's not the point. I don't care that he won. I'm talking about the time it took him to finish these bums.

Based on his performance (in other words , "prime" Tyson) against these fighters , i don't see why it would be "easier" today. All eras had ups and downs and yet , people are talking about the past as if it was somehow better when it wasn't.

I can take any era and demonstrate the pros and cons.
Whether we're talking about today , or the 90's , 70's , 60's , (or 80's in tyson's case).

You guys are truly deluded. Just as deluded as any fans. (hey me included...at least , a few years ago i was).

Today, i'll be the first one to admit these certitudes about x or x fighter are utter bullshit. No one is invincible.
And prime tyson or not , it wouldn't change a thing.

I'd go as far as to say that Tyson (prime of course) was blessed to dominate the 80's. He never had to deal with big talented fighters. ( Golota doesn't count , he's a mental midget...and even that cunt had enough to dominate ANOTHER ultra-overrated fighter aka Riddick Bowe)

There was no such thing as a David Tua in Tyson's era. No such thing as a Lennox Lewis...nor a talented & big white fighter (Vitali)...And don't get me started with Tommy Morrison (not even white anyway...and also overrated.)...all other white fighters were nothing more than the black man's favorite dish...CANS. Or Overrated , glorified , "white hopes" (only white americans could come up with such an insulting concept) (white hopes...such as Gerry Cooney).

As far as i'm concerned...Since eastern europe used to be banned from participating back then , americans had an unfair privilege in the HW division. Ever since it became more international , they had to deal with a major reality check.

And i sincerly hope that china will soon be part of the family. Considering that there's billions of them...They'd have no problem finding a skilled & big guy to represent their country.

I don't buy into the "Übermensch" , "super human" , boxer. It is utter shit to me. I don't go apeshit for a prime Tyson because Tyson was fucking human and nothing more.

One of the rare and true champs of the last decade was Lennox Lewis. (not that he was perfect either...) , But had more merit than any versions of Tyson. Unfortunately Lennox retired just when the division was starting to get more and more outside competitors...(it certainly woulda be interesting since he had a bunch of losses as an amateur , against several eastern euros). But only had to fight Zeljko Mavrovic & Vitali as a pro.

And his loss against Rahman tarnishes in no way his REAL legacy.
Tyson's legacy ? A cocktail of bums , rape , prison , verbal insults & mental instabilities. (Look how he used to react each time he'd be frustrated...His fight vs Holyfield is a perfect example...Not to mention his fight vs McBride & Danny Williams...yeah , yeah he was "past prime" there , but he was his old self...mentally speaking...he simply wasn't comparable to any other champions...The only other guy who used to be just as fucked up as him was Golota)

He was ridiculed by Lennox too (but he's got the "past prime" excuse).
It's bullshit...Some of you know it but will never admit it. There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis in the 80's... Buster Douglas pulled it off... NO ONE was expecting it.

Then , Of course! Buster Douglas became one of the most ultra-overrated boxer in history (but only for a very brief period of time) since Holyfield was there to put him back in his place. & did what Tyson was absolutely incapable of doing.

Tyson even delibarately AVOIDED a past prime Foreman.

The media transformed Tyson into a monster. The media represented that guy as a god. They created him and all the hype that goes with it. There's never been anything like him ever since. All it took...was a young prodigy & very athletic guy , looking like a monster against nobodies (or past prime fighters)...a little bit of personal scandals here and there...some insults , years in prison and you had the perfect recipe for the making of a bad ass "legend".

And like impressionable little kids , people ate every bit of it.

There's another guy who's getting all the attention today. (although he doesn't have 1/4th of tyson's talent)...It's Kimbo. It only took an internet video of him eating punches and annihilating street thugs to get a reputation)..."that's how a ***** eat" INSTANT CLASSIC...Give me a break....

Tyson:

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

Give me a fucking break!...REALITY CHECK
28u8lgLA3DU

Tyson: to McBride

"Im gonna gut you like a fish!"

Like Foreman once said:

"Mike Tyson's not all that bad. If you dig deep ... dig real deep, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, deep, deep, go all the way to China ...
I'm sure, you'll find there's a nice guy in there."

Probably so , but enuff is enough. He was a fantastic athlete but overrated as hell.

[punchy]

This is a really bad post

[Loewe]

This is a really bad post

Actually there is some truth in it also he exagerated it far too much. But there is some truth.

[rusty nails]

how do these slow plodders even manage to hit tyson.. your talking about a guy that wasnt even seriously wobbled until he lost to buster.. its frustrating how little credit tyson gets for his defence.. people who dont like him watch his highlight reels and write him off as a one dimensional slugger with no heart, chin or stamina whatsover. the fact is he showed against buster he had more heart etc in his big toe than these guys do today.. can you imagine an undertrained,exhausted, barely concious wlad making sure he picks up his mouthguard so the ref will let him keep fighting?.... NO WAY!

[Loewe]

how do these slow plodders even manage to hit tyson.. your talking about a guy that wasnt even seriously wobbled until he lost to buster.. its frustrating how little credit tyson gets for his defence.. people who dont like him watch his highlight reels and write him off as a one dimensional slugger with no heart, chin or stamina whatsover. the fact is he showed against buster he had more heart etc in his big toe than these guys do today.. can you imagine an undertrained,exhausted, barely concious wlad making sure he picks up his mouthguard so the ref will let him keep fighting?.... NO WAY!

:lol::lol::lol:

[fists of fury]

You're joking?! Tyson would annihilate Wlad. Wlad would be beaten before the fight started, he's too nervous to go after the likes of Thompson, not to mention his weak chin. Vitali on the other hand would be interesting but then he can take a punch.

It's possible he lays Wlad out early, but Wlad at least has the tools to make things interesting.
Vitali I excluded simply because he's not active. He's be a tough fight for Tyson I think.

[fists of fury]

I've seen these fights and i fucking KNOW that he was winning. That's not the point. I don't care that he won. I'm talking about the time it took him to finish these bums.

Based on his performance (in other words , "prime" Tyson) against these fighters , i don't see why it would be "easier" today. All eras had ups and downs and yet , people are talking about the past as if it was somehow better when it wasn't.

I can take any era and demonstrate the pros and cons.
Whether we're talking about today , or the 90's , 70's , 60's , (or 80's in tyson's case).

You guys are truly deluded. Just as deluded as any fans. (hey me included...at least , a few years ago i was).

Today, i'll be the first one to admit these certitudes about x or x fighter are utter bullshit. No one is invincible.
And prime tyson or not , it wouldn't change a thing.

I'd go as far as to say that Tyson (prime of course) was blessed to dominate the 80's. He never had to deal with big talented fighters. ( Golota doesn't count , he's a mental midget...and even that cunt had enough to dominate ANOTHER ultra-overrated fighter aka Riddick Bowe)

There was no such thing as a David Tua in Tyson's era. No such thing as a Lennox Lewis...nor a talented & big white fighter (Vitali)...And don't get me started with Tommy Morrison (not even white anyway...and also overrated.)...all other white fighters were nothing more than the black man's favorite dish...CANS. Or Overrated , glorified , "white hopes" (only white americans could come up with such an insulting concept) (white hopes...such as Gerry Cooney).

As far as i'm concerned...Since eastern europe used to be banned from participating back then , americans had an unfair privilege in the HW division. Ever since it became more international , they had to deal with a major reality check.

And i sincerly hope that china will soon be part of the family. Considering that there's billions of them...They'd have no problem finding a skilled & big guy to represent their country.

I don't buy into the "Übermensch" , "super human" , boxer. It is utter shit to me. I don't go apeshit for a prime Tyson because Tyson was fucking human and nothing more.

One of the rare and true champs of the last decade was Lennox Lewis. (not that he was perfect either...) , But had more merit than any versions of Tyson. Unfortunately Lennox retired just when the division was starting to get more and more outside competitors...(it certainly woulda be interesting since he had a bunch of losses as an amateur , against several eastern euros). But only had to fight Zeljko Mavrovic & Vitali as a pro.

And his loss against Rahman tarnishes in no way his REAL legacy.
Tyson's legacy ? A cocktail of bums , rape , prison , verbal insults & mental instabilities. (Look how he used to react each time he'd be frustrated...His fight vs Holyfield is a perfect example...Not to mention his fight vs McBride & Danny Williams...yeah , yeah he was "past prime" there , but he was his old self...mentally speaking...he simply wasn't comparable to any other champions...The only other guy who used to be just as fucked up as him was Golota)

He was ridiculed by Lennox too (but he's got the "past prime" excuse).
It's bullshit...Some of you know it but will never admit it. There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis in the 80's... Buster Douglas pulled it off... NO ONE was expecting it.

Then , Of course! Buster Douglas became one of the most ultra-overrated boxer in history (but only for a very brief period of time) since Holyfield was there to put him back in his place. & did what Tyson was absolutely incapable of doing.

Tyson even delibarately AVOIDED a past prime Foreman.

The media transformed Tyson into a monster. The media represented that guy as a god. They created him and all the hype that goes with it. There's never been anything like him ever since. All it took...was a young prodigy & very athletic guy , looking like a monster against nobodies (or past prime fighters)...a little bit of personal scandals here and there...some insults , years in prison and you had the perfect recipe for the making of a bad ass "legend".

And like impressionable little kids , people ate every bit of it.

There's another guy who's getting all the attention today. (although he doesn't have 1/4th of tyson's talent)...It's Kimbo. It only took an internet video of him eating punches and annihilating street thugs to get a reputation)..."that's how a ***** eat" INSTANT CLASSIC...Give me a break....

Tyson:

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

Give me a fucking break!...REALITY CHECK
28u8lgLA3DU

Tyson: to McBride

"Im gonna gut you like a fish!"

Like Foreman once said:

"Mike Tyson's not all that bad. If you dig deep ... dig real deep, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, deep, deep, go all the way to China ...
I'm sure, you'll find there's a nice guy in there."

Probably so , but enuff is enough. He was a fantastic athlete but overrated as hell.

Wow. That came across as a rant, almost personal.

I don't recall anyone saying Tyson was invincible. Frankly, I don't think he'd need to be to beat today's guys. It's always possible that someone puts up a stiffer fight that we anticiapted, but there is no denying this era is not great, Wlad aside. Povetkin is still unproven and if he fights Wlad we'll see how good he is.

You call the fighters of the 80's "nobodies" yet seem to think Tyson would somehow struggle against today's palooka's? Odd.

[Loewe]

Wow. That came across as a rant, almost personal.

I don't recall anyone saying Tyson was invincible. Frankly, I don't think he'd need to be to beat today's guys. It's always possible that someone puts up a stiffer fight that we anticiapted, but there is no denying this era is not great, Wlad aside. Povetkin is still unproven and if he fights Wlad we'll see how good he is.

You call the fighters of the 80's "nobodies" yet seem to think Tyson would somehow struggle against today's palooka's? Odd.

You know, I think he´s right about the 80s. Those were weak to average fighters just like this division but I think Valuev and Chagaev are harder opponents for Tyson than any 80s opponent. He would blitz Wlad but he would be in a fight against the other two.

[TBooze]

Tyson would not be the phenomenon today he was in the 80s.

To start of with, he would not be able to fight as often as he did, and although he had a lot of fights where he was at or near his peak, the time span was relatively short (roughly 24 months).

In the late part of this decade Tyson gets ten fights top in this time period. Six of them would be needed against fringe and alphabet contenders, that would lead to four bouts against the best of the division.

I am pretty sure Tyson would win all his fights, but his genius was flawed and after the two peak years like he did post Spinks, Tyson would be unable to hold his crazy life together and would self destruct.

[fists of fury]

You know, I think he´s right about the 80s. Those were weak to average fighters just like this division but I think Valuev and Chagaev are harder opponents for Tyson than any 80s opponent. He would blitz Wlad but he would be in a fight against the other two.

I don't think the 80's fighters were as bad as they're sometimes made out to be. I've been watching quite a lot of 80's footage again and these were skilled fighters; certainly their workrate was superior to today's guys. Tyson made many of them look bad, but were they bad or even merely average fighters?
I don't think so personally.

[BlackWater]

I don't think the 80's fighters were as bad as they're sometimes made out to be. I've been watching quite a lot of 80's footage again and these were skilled fighters; certainly their workrate was superior to today's guys. Tyson made many of them look bad, but were they bad or even merely average fighters?
I don't think so personally.

I would definitely say they were better than today's crop. Tyson just obliterated them to the point that people see them as shit fighters today.

[godking]

I've seen these fights and i fucking KNOW that he was winning. That's not the point. I don't care that he won. I'm talking about the time it took him to finish these bums.

Based on his performance (in other words , "prime" Tyson) against these fighters , i don't see why it would be "easier" today. All eras had ups and downs and yet , people are talking about the past as if it was somehow better when it wasn't.

I can take any era and demonstrate the pros and cons.
Whether we're talking about today , or the 90's , 70's , 60's , (or 80's in tyson's case).

You guys are truly deluded. Just as deluded as any fans. (hey me included...at least , a few years ago i was).

Today, i'll be the first one to admit these certitudes about x or x fighter are utter bullshit. No one is invincible.
And prime tyson or not , it wouldn't change a thing.

I'd go as far as to say that Tyson (prime of course) was blessed to dominate the 80's. He never had to deal with big talented fighters. ( Golota doesn't count , he's a mental midget...and even that cunt had enough to dominate ANOTHER ultra-overrated fighter aka Riddick Bowe)

There was no such thing as a David Tua in Tyson's era. No such thing as a Lennox Lewis...nor a talented & big white fighter (Vitali)...And don't get me started with Tommy Morrison (not even white anyway...and also overrated.)...all other white fighters were nothing more than the black man's favorite dish...CANS. Or Overrated , glorified , "white hopes" (only white americans could come up with such an insulting concept) (white hopes...such as Gerry Cooney).

As far as i'm concerned...Since eastern europe used to be banned from participating back then , americans had an unfair privilege in the HW division. Ever since it became more international , they had to deal with a major reality check.

And i sincerly hope that china will soon be part of the family. Considering that there's billions of them...They'd have no problem finding a skilled & big guy to represent their country.

I don't buy into the "Übermensch" , "super human" , boxer. It is utter shit to me. I don't go apeshit for a prime Tyson because Tyson was fucking human and nothing more.

One of the rare and true champs of the last decade was Lennox Lewis. (not that he was perfect either...) , But had more merit than any versions of Tyson. Unfortunately Lennox retired just when the division was starting to get more and more outside competitors...(it certainly woulda be interesting since he had a bunch of losses as an amateur , against several eastern euros). But only had to fight Zeljko Mavrovic & Vitali as a pro.

And his loss against Rahman tarnishes in no way his REAL legacy.
Tyson's legacy ? A cocktail of bums , rape , prison , verbal insults & mental instabilities. (Look how he used to react each time he'd be frustrated...His fight vs Holyfield is a perfect example...Not to mention his fight vs McBride & Danny Williams...yeah , yeah he was "past prime" there , but he was his old self...mentally speaking...he simply wasn't comparable to any other champions...The only other guy who used to be just as fucked up as him was Golota)

He was ridiculed by Lennox too (but he's got the "past prime" excuse).
It's bullshit...Some of you know it but will never admit it. There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis in the 80's... Buster Douglas pulled it off... NO ONE was expecting it.

Then , Of course! Buster Douglas became one of the most ultra-overrated boxer in history (but only for a very brief period of time) since Holyfield was there to put him back in his place. & did what Tyson was absolutely incapable of doing.

Tyson even delibarately AVOIDED a past prime Foreman.

The media transformed Tyson into a monster. The media represented that guy as a god. They created him and all the hype that goes with it. There's never been anything like him ever since. All it took...was a young prodigy & very athletic guy , looking like a monster against nobodies (or past prime fighters)...a little bit of personal scandals here and there...some insults , years in prison and you had the perfect recipe for the making of a bad ass "legend".

And like impressionable little kids , people ate every bit of it.

There's another guy who's getting all the attention today. (although he doesn't have 1/4th of tyson's talent)...It's Kimbo. It only took an internet video of him eating punches and annihilating street thugs to get a reputation)..."that's how a ***** eat" INSTANT CLASSIC...Give me a break....

Tyson:

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

Give me a fucking break!...REALITY CHECK
28u8lgLA3DU

Tyson: to McBride

"Im gonna gut you like a fish!"

Like Foreman once said:

"Mike Tyson's not all that bad. If you dig deep ... dig real deep, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, deep, deep, go all the way to China ...
I'm sure, you'll find there's a nice guy in there."

Probably so , but enuff is enough. He was a fantastic athlete but overrated as hell.Well you certainly showed your true colors with that long Diatribe.

And no i dont believe you actually saw any of those fights otherwise you would never have put the Biggs fight as an example of a fight where Tyson ''struggled''

You saw the fights on Tysons record and formed your opinion without ever actually seeing those fights.