Bruce Lee in the UFC (welterweight) or K1 max

[RonnieHornschuh]

would he dominate?

[québecwarrior]

He was a great athlete, but if we teleporte the Bruce Lee exactly how he was? He would get beat pretty easily by a guy like Urijah Faber by exemple. But if he was to learn the sport and all the different technic, then yes, he was always training great, great mind. He could had be something good because he was a great athlete.
But like he was back then? no way in hell

[Polymath]

Id like to see him fight a gorilla

[megadeth]

He was a great athlete, but if we teleporte the Bruce Lee exactly how he was? He would get beat pretty easily by a guy like Urijah Faber by exemple. But if he was to learn the sport and all the different technic, then yes, he was always training great, great mind. He could had be something good because he was a great athlete.
But like he was back then? no way in hell

Bruce was well versed in ground fighting, jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing as well as many other martial arts. There wasnt alot of ground fighting in his movies, but if u watch them, u can see him using some techniques. Just because they werent prominant in his movies, doesnt mean he wasnt trained in the grappling techniques. They just dont lend themselves to being as exciting as high kicks or fast punches(in real life, Bruce rarely kicked high, but did alot in his movies).

I think any MMA fighter would have LOTS of problems even with the Bruce of 1972. His speed & power would be a huge problem for any of them and If he had(this i dont know) any real knowledge of guarding again the takedown, he could just apply them and be a better, faster, more talented version of Chuck Liddell and still be very successful.

Check out his speed & power and tell me there wouldnt be problems!!

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[Primenal]

Bruce would have ripped the guys apart even with there rules. Ali said Bruce Lee's feet were faster than his hands!
I take Geen Kune doe, and a lot of the shit you can't use in a MMA fight. Teaches you a lot of street fighting...Going for eyes, throat, groin, knees, etc. You can still use backhands, and mule kicks though (just not to the knee). I'm sure he'd just blast somebody to the stomache with a mule kick, and it wouldn't take much more than that.
For his size he was freaky strong anyways, but mainly because of his speed. NOBODY near his size would stand a chance. The dude trained 6 days a week like 8 hour days, and the 7th day he'd spar. How can you beat that kind of mental/ physichal strength? Something like supposedly .5% body fat. Of course he isn't unbeatable, but it'd take one HELL OF A MAN to stop him, and I guarantee you won't find those men fighting in UFC. Maybe the monks who live in monestaries, and there whole life is fighting, and living off the land. Those men might have tore Bruce apart, but not some TOUGH GUY who participate in more bar fights than MMA matches.

[Polymath]

Bruce would have ripped the guys apart even with there rules. Ali said Bruce Lee's feet were faster than his hands!
I take Geen Kune doe, and a lot of the shit you can't use in a MMA fight. Teaches you a lot of street fighting...Going for eyes, throat, groin, knees, etc. You can still use backhands, and mule kicks though (just not to the knee). I'm sure he'd just blast somebody to the stomache with a mule kick, and it wouldn't take much more than that.
For his size he was freaky strong anyways, but mainly because of his speed. NOBODY near his size would stand a chance. The dude trained 6 days a week like 8 hour days, and the 7th day he'd spar. How can you beat that kind of mental/ physichal strength? Something like supposedly .5% body fat. Of course he isn't unbeatable, but it'd take one HELL OF A MAN to stop him, and I guarantee you won't find those men fighting in UFC. Maybe the monks who live in monestaries, and there whole life is fighting, and living off the land. Those men might have tore Bruce apart, but not some TOUGH GUY who participate in more bar fights than MMA matches.

This really just highlights the general BS that is this post :lol:

[Dostoevsky]

Bruce was well versed in ground fighting, jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing as well as many other martial arts. There wasnt alot of ground fighting in his movies, but if u watch them, u can see him using some techniques. Just because they werent prominant in his movies, doesnt mean he wasnt trained in the grappling techniques. They just dont lend themselves to being as exciting as high kicks or fast punches(in real life, Bruce rarely kicked high, but did alot in his movies).

I think any MMA fighter would have LOTS of problems even with the Bruce of 1972. His speed & power would be a huge problem for any of them and If he had(this i dont know) any real knowledge of guarding again the takedown, he could just apply them and be a better, faster, more talented version of Chuck Liddell and still be very successful.

Check out his speed & power and tell me there wouldnt be problems!!

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Post a single shred of evidence to support this claim.
Bruce gets taken down and submitted, speed is irrelevant when you're being bearhugged and taken to the floor.

[ufoalf]

This really just highlights the general BS that is this post :lol:

:rofl:rofl .5%

He's either terrible at math or at anatomy. Either way it's below grade school.

[Dostoevsky]

This really just highlights the general BS that is this post :lol:

Dunno....I thought this part was an even clearer indicator of BS:

Of course he isn't unbeatable, but it'd take one HELL OF A MAN to stop him, and I guarantee you won't find those men fighting in UFC. Maybe the monks who live in monestaries

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :nut :nut :nut

[Polymath]

You know when somebody says something so embarrassing its actually a little physically painful? :lol:

[PIRA]

Bruce would have ripped the guys apart even with there rules. Ali said Bruce Lee's feet were faster than his hands!
I take Geen Kune doe, and a lot of the shit you can't use in a MMA fight. Teaches you a lot of street fighting...Going for eyes, throat, groin, knees, etc. You can still use backhands, and mule kicks though (just not to the knee). I'm sure he'd just blast somebody to the stomache with a mule kick, and it wouldn't take much more than that.
For his size he was freaky strong anyways, but mainly because of his speed. NOBODY near his size would stand a chance. The dude trained 6 days a week like 8 hour days, and the 7th day he'd spar. How can you beat that kind of mental/ physichal strength? Something like supposedly .5% body fat. Of course he isn't unbeatable, but it'd take one HELL OF A MAN to stop him, and I guarantee you won't find those men fighting in UFC. Maybe the monks who live in monestaries, and there whole life is fighting, and living off the land. Those men might have tore Bruce apart, but not some TOUGH GUY who participate in more bar fights than MMA matches.

LOL - hilarious post. The man never fought anyone of note, was so scared of Thai fighters that he forbid any Muay Thai to be used in "The Big Boss" and was schooled by Gene LeBell. His legacy is based on entertainment value, myth, personality and very open ideas rather than any measurable combat victories.

[Tko4]

The traditional martial arts are highly overrated, and Bruce Lee is also overrated. Sure, he was fast and athletic, and given the training would probably do as well as any other quality athlete in MMA. Transport him from 1972 into a cage though, and he gets carried out in a body bag if he's up against any competent fighter. Real fighting doesn't work like in the movies: IE a spin kick is only going to work one in every thousand times you try it.

[younghypnotiq]

lmfao. bruce would get raped.

[Canibus81]

LOL - hilarious post. The man never fought anyone of note, was so scared of Thai fighters that he forbid any Muay Thai to be used in "The Big Boss" and was schooled by Gene LeBell. His legacy is based on entertainment value, myth, personality and very open ideas rather than any measurable combat victories.

He Ko'ed a Muay Thai fighter on the set of the big boss and it was confirmed by one of the film directors on the set. Intercepting Fist is the name of the documentary BTW. Don't know where you get the info about him being scared of Muay Thai fighters, sounds like something you made up or heard(most likely from other sources) because of your biasness towards Bruce. And Gene Lebell gave Bruce tons of credit for his abilities. Lebell was a Judo expert, wrestling, and submission expert. So of course Bruce couldn't beat him in that one specific area, but that doesn't mean he could beat Bruce in a straight up fight just cause he was good grappler.(cause it's called a fight, not a wrestling or judo match) And logic would tell you being that he was extremely knowledgable in MMA as we know today, in the 70's, than he was very ahead of his time. He knew a lot about the importance of conditioing as well and was very stragegic in his approach to the martial arts as a whole, so he'd be a pretty formable combatant in a fanasty like matchup. All of this is a matter of opinion, we'll never know.

[Canibus81]

Real fighting doesn't work like in the movies:

He said that himself. So why would try to fight someone like he does in the movies?:roll:

[Chaney]

I respect Bruce Lee for what he achieved, he is a cultural icon and hugely influential. He changed the way the world sees martial arts.

And he would beat up many untrained tough guys in his own weight class, and some above it, IMHO.

But against a top quality trained fighter? I think he would have to be a serious underdog, even at his own weight (Nevermind all that stupidity of Lee having a chance against Tyson or Fedor!)

Here is why: Lee is skilled, athletic, dedicated...but we have ZERO evidence if he could take punishment and come back for more. Amir Kahn looked great until somebody hit him. No fighter can be great unless he has that innate toughness. No amount of training can compensate for its absence (as Kahn proved)

What evidence do we have that Lee would be any more resilient? None.

[Canibus81]

I respect Bruce Lee for what he achieved, he is a cultural icon and hugely influential. He changed the way the world sees martial arts.

And he would beat up many untrained tough guys in his own weight class, and some above it, IMHO.

But against a top quality trained fighter? I think he would have to be a serious underdog, even at his own weight (Nevermind all that stupidity of Lee having a chance against Tyson or Fedor!)

Here is why: Lee is skilled, athletic, dedicated...but we have ZERO evidence if he could take punishment and come back for more. Amir Kahn looked great until somebody hit him. No fighter can be great unless he has that innate toughness. No amount of training can compensate for its absence (as Kahn proved)

What evidence do we have that Lee would be any more resilient? None.

Roy jones toughness was also exposed when his speed started to deterioate, but when he was at his best no one could hit him,(even the most skilled resisilant fighters couldn't) and seen why. And comparing amir Khan to Bruce Lee is crazy,(it's comparing apples and oranges) he ain't even all that skilled of a boxer IMO.

[Beebs]

I respect Bruce Lee for what he achieved, he is a cultural icon and hugely influential. He changed the way the world sees martial arts.

And he would beat up many untrained tough guys in his own weight class, and some above it, IMHO.

But against a top quality trained fighter? I think he would have to be a serious underdog, even at his own weight (Nevermind all that stupidity of Lee having a chance against Tyson or Fedor!)

Here is why: Lee is skilled, athletic, dedicated...but we have ZERO evidence if he could take punishment and come back for more. Amir Kahn looked great until somebody hit him. No fighter can be great unless he has that innate toughness. No amount of training can compensate for its absence (as Kahn proved)

What evidence do we have that Lee would be any more resilient? None.

Perfect.

[Canibus81]

Perfect.

That's because your bias.

[Beebs]

That's because your bias.

so what part of his post about your hero is wrong?

Fighters have to fight, real fights, alot, to be known as fighters.

[Canibus81]

so what part of his post about your hero is wrong?

Fighters have to fight, real fights, alot, to be known as fighters.

Sorry but I don't hero worship at all. You got the wrong person, examine things with an open mind and try think outside the box, you only think inside the box, that's diffenrece between me and you.

[Beebs]

Troll, done.

[karatekid530]

Bruce would have ripped the guys apart even with there rules. Ali said Bruce Lee's feet were faster than his hands!
I take Geen Kune doe, and a lot of the shit you can't use in a MMA fight. Teaches you a lot of street fighting...Going for eyes, throat, groin, knees, etc. You can still use backhands, and mule kicks though (just not to the knee). I'm sure he'd just blast somebody to the stomache with a mule kick, and it wouldn't take much more than that.
For his size he was freaky strong anyways, but mainly because of his speed. NOBODY near his size would stand a chance. The dude trained 6 days a week like 8 hour days, and the 7th day he'd spar. How can you beat that kind of mental/ physichal strength? Something like supposedly .5% body fat. Of course he isn't unbeatable, but it'd take one HELL OF A MAN to stop him, and I guarantee you won't find those men fighting in UFC. Maybe the monks who live in monestaries, and there whole life is fighting, and living off the land. Those men might have tore Bruce apart, but not some TOUGH GUY who participate in more bar fights than MMA matches.

the fucks geen kune do? jeet kune do? and it's not humanly possible to have less than 2% BF, your body can't support itself with less than that.

[dado]

bruce was a great athlete.. so if he learned and trained proper MMA then he could have had a great chance... however if u take him fresh outta 1972 and put him in the ring with takanori gomi .. or aoki then he gets mutilated

[dado]

imagine what Hyato 'macha' sakurai would do to bruce...the hyato that knocked out jens pullver... come on man r u seriously that fucking ignorant..bruce is a movie star not a fucking fighter...and these dickhead monks in monestaries can suck my cock... r u even fucking normal u idiot

[dado]

oh and the k-1 max...fuuuuck what kinda question is that...he would have even a harder time there than in MMA...the k-1 max is the highest level of combat on the planet in my opinion...with the most well trained fighters...just imagine what Masato or buakaw would do to bruce lee... imagine what Arslan Magomedov would do to him...arslan is just as fast as bruce on top of that he is about ten KG heavier and his power is indescribable... arslans overhand right = a ten day coma for bruce

[Beebs]

imagine what Hyato 'macha' sakurai would do to bruce...the hyato that knocked out jens pullver... come on man r u seriously that fucking ignorant..bruce is a movie star not a fucking fighter...and these dickhead monks in monestaries can suck my cock... r u even fucking normal u idiot

Hell, don't even need Mach, the captain of any D1 college wrestling team or any state golden gloves champion would beat bruce, easy.

[Stoo]

Nah William Shatner would take Bruce easily. Did you see the Star Trek episode where he beat up a 7 foot tall green lizard thing with his bare hands?

[Stoo]

I respect Bruce Lee for what he achieved, he is a cultural icon and hugely influential. He changed the way the world sees martial arts.

All joking aside, I agree with that statement. Most of us westerners wouldnt appreciate martial arts in the same way if it wasnt for Bruce

[karatekid530]

Sorry but I don't hero worship at all. You got the wrong person, examine things with an open mind and try think outside the box, you only think inside the box, that's diffenrece between me and you.

yea you do, nearly every post i've read of yours in the last couple of days has bruce lee's name in it somewhere.

[JIM KELLY]

LOL - hilarious post. The man never fought anyone of note, was so scared of Thai fighters that he forbid any Muay Thai to be used in "The Big Boss" and was schooled by Gene LeBell. His legacy is based on entertainment value, myth, personality and very open ideas rather than any measurable combat victories.

please provide evidnence of this info!!!

[JIM KELLY]

LOL - hilarious post. The man never fought anyone of note, was so scared of Thai fighters that he forbid any Muay Thai to be used in "The Big Boss" and was schooled by Gene LeBell. His legacy is based on entertainment value, myth, personality and very open ideas rather than any measurable combat victories.

Bruce and Gene exchanged ideas, where did u get info he was schooled by gene?


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[JIM KELLY]

interview with a co-star of THE BIG BOSS

Bey Logan: You worked closely with Bruce Lee as an actor and choreographer. Can you recall the first time you met him?

Lam Ching Ying: It was on the shooting of Big Boss. Bruce Lee was a very rightous person and very tough. I remember one day a Thai boxer broke the arm of a stuntman. Bruce became very angry and furious. He went up to the boxer and asked him to fight with him. He ran up to him and asked: "Are you really strong to fight with me? You should control yourself and stop before making trouble. Can't you see we are in a process of shooting? How could you break his arm, have you no mercy?" Lee really persuaded to fight with this Thai Boxer.

Bey Logan: Some people say that he was so very strong, but he never had any fight apart from in the film. Did he have any challenge match and if so, did you actually see one of those fights happen?

Lam Ching Ying: Bruce was always challenged mainly in foreign countries. He never started a fight, but when he was attacked he had to defend himself. There was a person back in Hong Kong, called Li Dachuan who always wanted to challenge him and critisized Lee in the newspapers. Once they met face to face, but Lee hid himself in a corner, in a quiet place. And that person started to stare at his feet, just his feet, and then Bruce understood that this man had no idea about Kung Fu at all. So there was only one punch. Just one! Bruce was a very kind hearted person. I remember once he saw an old man pushing a cart, which was too heavy for him and Bruce went up to him and helped him pushing it.

[Arka]

Here you are! This interview goes into the most detail about Lee's fighting abilities...

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DW Forum - You have said on numerous occassions that Bruce was not a fighter, but at the same time you say that Bruce was the first Ph.D in martial arts fighting? .....


Joe Lewis - Bruce told me he did not care about competing. He had no interest in it, and he said he felt there was nothing to gain by him doing so.

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Joe Lewis - Please, drop all the stuff you've heard.
Martial arts is full of nonsense. Only believe what you have seen or can prove. Show me more than three real punches in a second and I will kiss your butt. ON film, Ali's jab took 7 frames to complete, and Sugar Ray's took 9 frames. A second of film takes 24 frames. Simple math guys. Three real punches per second and that is it. Less talk and more proof. Let's get in the ring and show off some of these secrets. They pay millions of dollars. That beats eating rice all your life and teaching martial arts forever anytime?



Well someone is lying!

[don owens]

news flash. bruce lee was not a fighter. he was an actor, an athlete, and a martial arts guy. he was not a fighter. he would be exposed and brutally knocked out numerous times by mediocre competition.

[codeman99998]

I've never even seen a REAL Bruce Lee fight... so I really can't say.

Then again, the fact that I haven't is very very very heavy evidence to me that he wouldn't stand a chance in hell. Then again.

Jean Claude Van Dam could probably beat any UFC fighter prime for prime lol.

[Primenal]

I still say based on Conditioning alone he destroys most people. And again...I have heard people whom were in to him saying he was like .5% body fat (no joke). I don't hardly believe it myself, but don't think anybody could deny he was probably no more than 3%.
Anybody who supposedly worksout 7 days a week, and sometimes 6-8 hours a day cannot be denied there a physichal monster. Of course he was an actor, but so is people like Jet Li...So what? Doesn't mean anything..
His punches and kicks are just rediculously fast, and quite powerful for his size. Just because somebody fights in a cage...and let's face it most MMA fighters are SLOPPY. They keep there hands down, very little boxing skill, the only thing most of them have are decent kicks, decent submissions, and great conditioning. If you want to see how well TOUGH guys do go watch Kimbo's last fight because we all know he was "the baddest man on the planet!" LOL

So, some of you guys don't agree he shreds a MMA figher in the cage. How about Bruce Lee in his element a straight up street fight?

[Beebs]

I still say based on Conditioning alone he destroys most people. And again...I have heard people whom were in to him saying he was like .5% body fat (no joke). I don't hardly believe it myself, but don't think anybody could deny he was probably no more than 3%. He would be dead at .5% and wish he was dead at 3%, thats just not realistic.

Anybody who supposedly worksout 7 days a week, and sometimes 6-8 hours a day cannot be denied there a physichal monster. Of course he was an actor, but so is people like Jet Li...So what?
Jet Li has real accomplishments, lots of Sansho championships, Lee had a cha-cha dancing title

Doesn't mean anything..
His punches and kicks are just rediculously fast, and quite powerful for his size. Just because somebody fights in a cage...and let's face it most MMA fighters are SLOPPY. They keep there hands down, very little boxing skill, the only thing most of them have are decent kicks, decent submissions, and great conditioning. If you want to see how well TOUGH guys do go watch Kimbo's last fight because we all know he was "the baddest man on the planet!" LOL

Thats because what happens in real fights isn't scripted to be pretty



So, some of you guys don't agree he shreds a MMA figher in the cage. How about Bruce Lee in his element a straight up street fight?

He would get beat just as badly if not more, his weakest element was takedown defense, and being very light. He would likely be thrown onto the ground, concrete or asphalt, usually, and be helpless.

[joe the great]

would he dominate?
He'd get disqualified for an eye jab or a kick to the knee.

[Primenal]

He would get beat just as badly if not more, his weakest element was takedown defense, and being very light. He would likely be thrown onto the ground, concrete or asphalt, usually, and be helpless.[/quote]

Of course he wasn't that skilled on the ground, and it was a big weakness. When it comes to street fighting though...Bruce said himself that it didn't matter what you had to do to win. So, that means if somebody took em down he wouldn't put it apast himself to try to tear there eyes out, grab there nuts, or even BITE them.
I mean I understand these MMA guys destroy him as far as ground and pound/ submissions go, but street fighting is totally different...Especially when your fighting a man that trained very hard for it, and doesn't care what he has to do to win. Most people think kicking another dude in the junk is dirty...Bruce seen it as self defense. Whole different level whenever you have one person holding back because of pride, and the other one going to survive.

BTW: What on earth is so unrealistic about 3% body fat? It's uncommon, but in this day of age (of bodybuilding) it damn sure isn't unheard of. You got bodybuilders from 250-300 pd mark that is around that...Bruce was about 5'6 150 pds, and trained like a fanatic. First off, even if he didn't workout and was 5'6-150 he probably wouldn't have to much body fat. Add in all the training, the dieting, and the fact YOU CAN SEE he was freakishly toned don't see how this could be so far fetched

[El Puma]

BTW: What on earth is so unrealistic about 3% body fat? It's uncommon, but in this day of age (of bodybuilding) it damn sure isn't unheard of. You got bodybuilders from 250-300 pd mark that is around that...Bruce was about 5'6 150 pds, and trained like a fanatic. First off, even if he didn't workout and was 5'6-150 he probably wouldn't have to much body fat. Add in all the training, the dieting, and the fact YOU CAN SEE he was freakishly toned don't see how this could be so far fetched[/quote]





:-(:-(I...I don't know where to even begin.... Bodybuilders get that low and can only sustain it for a short amount of time. they are very weak when on stage so how the fuck can you intensely train in the martial arts EVERYDAY on such low body fat???!!!! And, Bruce is listed at 5'7 126lbs by the time Enter The Dragon was done filming.







Fuck, enough with these ridiculous threads already!!

[ufoalf]

<3% body fat is impossible to maintain. Your kidneys will go, your liver will, you body will shut down. Don't believe me? Try to keep that for 3 months, if you live to talk to me I'll give you a dollar.