David Tua vs George Foreman

[Big N Bad]

prime4prime who wins?

Foreman weighed about 218 in his prime 6'3
Tua weighed around 225 in his prime 5'9 and half

I must point out that Tua doesnt get hit as much as you think. the guys defense is very underrated, its not easy to hit tua clean, or at all.
you all know about his chin, he's mentally very tough also.

we all know about foreman, he can be hit and his chin can be dented. however his strength/power with that power jab and uppercuts can ko almost anyone.

both have similar power, tua is more stronger though.

i see this being a fight fought at close range, like the ike ibeabuchi fight, unless foreman decides to back up which i dont think he will do, cos he knows that circling is a better option. i expect it to be a short explosive fight. but imo foremans defense lets him down.

thoughts?

[Holmes' Jab]

George was the more consistent fighter, obviously, but I think a young Tua would hang in there and stop Foreman in the later rounds. Foreman is very strong, yes, but didn't quite have the tools, certianly not near the defense that Lewis had: Tua would be getting inside and landing. Tua has a better chin than Frazier and was a stronger starter. This is nothing to do with who had a better career, it's just I give Tua an edge head to head if he shows up.


Call me crazy, but hey.

[Big N Bad]

i agree, foreman had a better career than tua. but h2h tua will trouble anyone.

[Quickhands21]

i agree, foreman had a better career than tua. but h2h tua will trouble anyone.
Yup.I put Tua very high head to head.Tua by ko

[Holmes' Jab]

I'll add that Tua was a better inside fighter than Tyson, when he gets there he'll eventually wreak havok.

[ChrisPontius]

George was the more consistent fighter, obviously, but I think a young Tua would hang in there and stop Foreman in the later rounds. Foreman is very strong, yes, but didn't quite have the tools, certianly not near the defense that Lewis had: Tua would be getting inside and landing. Tua has a better chin than Frazier and was a stronger starter. This is nothing to do with who had a better career, it's just I give Tua an edge head to head if he shows up.


Call me crazy, but hey.
I agree, Tua has a live chance here. The only guy who Foreman exchanges punches with was Lyle, who nearly had him out of there. And Tua hits much harder and sharper than Lyle. That is not a guarantee for success of course, but lighter hitters like Ali and Young also had Foreman down. Now he was tired when those occured, but whose to say he won't tire against Tua? The Samoan proved he could stand and trade for 12 rounds against Ibeabuchi and has the better chin by far. The height difference (i've always thought Foreman was 6'4, he looks taller than Ali and Norton) will take some steam of Tua's punches, though.

[Executioner]

I put Tua very high head to head

:patsch

why?

I dont understand why tua gets so overrated.

[Sweet Pea]

:patsch

why?

I dont understand why tua gets so overrated.I'm more in agreeance with this. He'd be handily outboxed by a large number of top Heavies over time. Foreman would be interesting though.

[Quickhands21]

:patsch

why?

I dont understand why tua gets so overrated.
Because he's one of the hardest bangers in heavy history n had one of the best chins as well.He may have failed in his big fights.but an on point tua is very very dangerous

[Quickhands21]

Sluuging with Tua is not a good idea.What would big George do box him like lewis? nah.He gets beat at his own game

[Executioner]

I'm more in agreeance with this. He'd be handily outboxed by a large number of top Heavies over time. Foreman would be interesting though.

my EXACT thoughts.

[young griffo]

Tua murders him


An iron chinned puncher with good stamina versus a shit chinned puncher with dismal stamina.
Shit chinned??

Stopped once more from exhaustion and downed another time against Young for the same reasons.

That leaves us with two legit knockdowns against a very good puncher in Lyle in a fight he got off the floor to win.Hardly the stuff shit chins are made of.

Plus he earns bonus points for coming back as a fat old man and lasting the distance and on his feet with a prime Evander Holyfield (something that Tyson couldn't do against an old Holyfield),and a big punching Tommy Morrison.

As for Tua he's close to the most overrated fighter out there.Good yes,but the fact he couldn't land a belt fighting in an era when guys like Rahman,Botha and Byrd could speaks volumes about his abilities.

[Uppercut83]

Foreman easily.

LOL the stupidity of posters on this site is funny, George Foreman wasn't shit chinned seriously go and watch some fights retard.

[JohnThomas1]

I think Foreman would overpower him personally.

[Big N Bad]

Foreman wasnt shit chinned. did you see the punches he took in his comeback fights? against moorer, holyfield and the crazy left hooks he took from morrison?
anyways...

i think the older foreman was overall better. he was stronger, punched harder, paced himself, had a defense, and his chin proved to be granitish.
the younger smaller foreman loses imo, however the older one would give tua his hardest fight ever.

[abraq]

Foreman wasnt shit chinned. did you see the punches he took in his comeback fights? against moorer, holyfield and the crazy left hooks he took from morrison?
anyways...

i think the older foreman was overall better. he was stronger, punched harder, paced himself, had a defense, and his chin proved to be granitish.
the younger smaller foreman loses imo, however the older one would give tua his hardest fight ever.

You are making it sound as if George Foreman needs justification as to how he would do against David Tua. Justification about how a two time world champion, who reigned during one of the most talent filled era of the HW division, would do against a fighter who was only good enough to be a contender in his own era for some time and who lost his most important fights.

Get real, man. The "smaller" George Foreman would have stopped Tua though I am not very sure about how the older version would have done. But I think it really doesn't matter. When we talk about prime George Foreman I think most people mean the younger version who destroyed Frazier and Norton. Just because he lost to Ali, we shouldn't devalue his achievments and capability

[prime]

Foreman outguns and outguts the Samoan. I see Tua's amazing hook hitting the mark early and waking Foreman up to the reality of war. Then it becomes a slugfest and Foreman is more devastating with both hands. As D'Amato observed, no short brawler (not named Tyson) could come to Foreman and hope to win. Those Big George uppercuts and short, accurate missiles would sooner than later dent and break Tua.

Foreman could be hit, but I don't see Tua having the speed and accuracy needed here to win. Foreman had a jab, could take punishment early, and had the fortitude to hold together and come back to snatch victory if necessary in a shootout. Tua never proved himself so.

[paidinrakim]

dayuummm tua is overrated as fuck and hasn't done shit

[he grant]

It's actually an interesting matchup as Tua was very solid in the chin department as well as hard to hit flush because of how he defended himself combined with the young George's stamina issues ... I'd still pick Foreman as he excelled against short guys but it would be very interesting ...

[clark]

Interesting fight. I'd pick Foreman. I think he would eventually hurt Tua
by the fifth round. If it goes past that, George might get tired.

[Waynegrade]

I see Big George pushing Tua off him to create puching room (like he did against Smokin Joe). And then simply overpowering him. Young George was nasty and mean. Hit like a mule. And could put his punches together. Too much of everything for Tuaman

[elgoadie]

Foreman wins by rape... Too big and too powerful for Tua.

[fists of fury]

Interesting fight...when two huge punchers square up, anything can happen. Both have solid beards as well, so I don't expect an early blowout either way.

This likely boils down to a fight of attrition oddly enough, and it's possible both men will taste the canvas at some point.
I don't think Tua has the inner grit and toughness to win. George could climb off the floor to win, but could Tua?

George would need to pace himself better and be better defensively than he was against Lyle. Provided he is, I'd pick him to win. He has more options at his disposal, and Tua, despite being enormously strong, wasn't technically very good.

George on points or late stoppage.

[Muchmoore]

I think Foreman would overpower him personally.

:good

Tua wasn't that physically strong, actually.

[anut]

A YOUNG GEORGE FOREMAN BATTRES TUA FOR 4 RDS..........AN OLD FOREMAN ALSO BEATS ON TUA FOR A 10 RD TKO/VERY BAD STYLE FOR TUA.:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[anut]

Tua murders him


An iron chinned puncher with good stamina versus a shit chinned puncher with dismal stamina.

I KNOW WHEN IT CAME DOWN TOO BETTING ON THE HOUSE....U WOULD PICK FOREMAN......

[anut]

absolutely not. Puncher battle always goes to the better chinned, quicker handed puncher.
U EVER SEE FOREAN/FRAZIER 1 AND 2??????..........PS RON LYLE WOULD BEAT TUA BY THE WAY............TUA SUXXXXX:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke.........FOREMAN WASNT IKE IBEABUCHI..........IMAGINE THOSE BIG UPPERCUTTS HITTING TUA .........JESUS

[bigjake]

I think Foreman would overpower him personally.

your right,the fight gets stopped to save tua from taking more hard shots.be interesting to see if foreman could put him on the deck before the stoppage though

[Quick Cash]

I think Foreman would elect to box early then unleash his bombs as Tua gets closer. People forget that Foreman threw jabs with great proficiency. I think it would serve his purposes well in deterring the Samoan from coming in aggressively. The jab will be the key, as it can lull Tua into complacency. I don't think he'd be too eager to fight back once the bombs start to rain down on him either.

Foreman forces the issue in the way Lewis did not, compelling the referee to intervene on Tua's behalf. Lewis had the means to stop Tua in their fight but opted wisely not to engage too profusely with the man. Foreman doesn't quite have the same luxury, but I am confident he will find the same opportunity to hurt the otherwise durable contender.

The only thing that would keep George from the knockout is his ability to land, but if he finds his groove I think he can manage it.

[Arka]

Foreman wasnt shit chinned. did you see the punches he took in his comeback fights? against moorer, holyfield and the crazy left hooks he took from morrison?
anyways...

i think the older foreman was overall better. he was stronger, punched harder, paced himself, had a defense, and his chin proved to be granitish.
the younger smaller foreman loses imo, however the older one would give tua his hardest fight ever.
You are mad!!!! :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
Watch the first minute of his heavyweight bout with Frazier.How he neutralises Frazier's attack.He has excellent technique against the little guys.
He also had two of the hardest shots ever in the division the right-upper cut and the right hook and the system to beat him.

[round15]

Still, too much talk about Foreman destroying Frazier in both of his fights which is the wrong platform when comparing Tua vs Foreman or any other swarmer vs Foreman.

First of all I would like to reiterate that Foreman NEVER beat the best Frazier and I'd bet on the Frazier from 1967 - 1970 to do significantly better than the fighter who showed up in Jamaica 1973. In fact, replace Ali in the FOTC with George Foreman and Frazier probably beats him by KO well inside the 15 round distance.

I think George could beat Tua and probably stops him before the middle rounds but Tua would definitely provide a stern test for George if his weight is in check. If George is allowed to push, shove, grab Tua's shoulders and hold and hit underneath like Mercante allowed him to do against Frazier, the fight becomes easier for George.

This fight could be a multiple knockdown affair like George's war against Ron Lyle. Ultimately I think George has more than enough power to put Tua on the canvas and keep him there.

[Ezzard]

Tua is not at this level, not at all... Foreman would win this one I have no doubts at all.

Tua is joining the set of internet legends with Ikeabuchi.

The weight of evidence is overwhelming IMO.

[Arka]

Still, too much talk about Foreman destroying Frazier in both of his fights which is the wrong platform when comparing Tua vs Foreman or any other swarmer vs Foreman.

First of all I would like to reiterate that Foreman NEVER beat the best Frazier and I'd bet on the Frazier from 1967 - 1970 to do significantly better than the fighter who showed up in Jamaica 1973. In fact, replace Ali in the FOTC with George Foreman and Frazier probably beats him by KO well inside the 15 round distance.

I think George could beat Tua and probably stops him before the middle rounds but Tua would definitely provide a stern test for George if his weight is in check. If George is allowed to push, shove, grab Tua's shoulders and hold and hit underneath like Mercante allowed him to do against Frazier, the fight becomes easier for George.

This fight could be a multiple knockdown affair like George's war against Ron Lyle. Ultimately I think George has more than enough power to put Tua on the canvas and keep him there.

I could well argue that Foreman was slightly past his best in his second fight with Frazier,though Frazier was pretty shot in that fight TBH.
I have difficulty seeing Frazier (67-70) being a favourite against Foreman (72-73). The combination of the jab ,all the pushing and turning, and the right uppercut still makes me think Frazier-or for that matter Tua-would have difficulty coming in.I don't fancy their chances on the outside either.

[PowerPuncher]

Tua is similar to Frazier, but not quite the boxer, and without the intensity. But he had a better chin, possibly a tighter defense but less movement. People mention the Lyle fight but Tua doesn't have the size or boxing skill of Lyle, hes a bob and weave pressure fighting hooker like Frazier

I see it going the same way as the Frazier fight but Tua lasts a little longer, perhaps up to the 5-7, but will take a murderous beating. Foreman lands first every time, with his long reach, if Tua gets inside he gets smashed by uppercuts. Tua will get backed up and this completely takes away his power.

Now some will say Lennox couldn't stop Tua but Tua went into a shell and Lennox didnt go for the kill, Foreman goes for the kill and kills successfully

[ChrisPontius]

Tua is not at this level, not at all... Foreman would win this one I have no doubts at all.

Tua is joining the set of internet legends with Ikeabuchi.

The weight of evidence is overwhelming IMO.

What do you mean "Internet legends?"

Tua's resume is thin, fair enough. But exactly how proven is Foreman is in slugfests? Lyle was a life and death struggle, with a far inferior puncher. Frazier barely landed anything and was a not a big one-punch hitter nor a fast starter. And that's pretty much it. Maybe Foreman was a TV legend?

[natonic]

David Tua = Urban Legend

[Muchmoore]

Tua is similar to Frazier, but not quite the boxer, and without the intensity. But he had a better chin, possibly a tighter defense but less movement. People mention the Lyle fight but Tua doesn't have the size or boxing skill of Lyle, hes a bob and weave pressure fighting hooker like Frazier

I see it going the same way as the Frazier fight but Tua lasts a little longer, perhaps up to the 5-7, but will take a murderous beating. Foreman lands first every time, with his long reach, if Tua gets inside he gets smashed by uppercuts. Tua will get backed up and this completely takes away his power.

Now some will say Lennox couldn't stop Tua but Tua went into a shell and Lennox didnt go for the kill, Foreman goes for the kill and kills successfully

:good

Prime Tuaman was very good, but Foreman's overall skill is overlooked here. He was more than just a completely crude slugger, the man had a shotgun like jab. Tua will be walking into George here just like Smokin Joe and despite having a granite chin would be beat down.

Tua has a much better chance of beating Frazier here than Foreman.

[MrMagic]

Oh my GOD!

Tua lost bad to the only elite fighter he ever faced.

Foreman would own him

[natonic]

Tua had all these wonderful attributes but he never won a thing despite several opportunities to do so. People need to look at actual accomplishments once in awhile.

[PowerPuncher]

:good
Prime Tuaman was very good, but Foreman's overall skill is overlooked here. He was more than just a completely crude slugger, the man had a shotgun like jab. Tua will be walking into George here just like Smokin Joe and despite having a granite chin would be beat down.

Tua has a much better chance of beating Frazier here than Foreman.

I rate Tua highly and give him shots against Marciano and Frazier but Foreman is all wrong for him

Foreman actually did a nice Ali impression in some of his early fights, many fighters have a vaster array of talents than given credit for

[Silver]

foreman would knock him out. tua has a live chance. tua chin would get dented if foreman can hit him clean.

[Muchmoore]

Tua had all these wonderful attributes but he never won a thing despite several opportunities to do so. People need to look at actual accomplishments once in awhile.

Yeah, even a prime Tua was losing to a young Maskaev before finishing him.

[Vanboxingfan]

I personally would pick Foreman to win as well. I just think his power is in a slightly different league than Tua's and he'd take him out somewhere along the way. Look how Tua fought when he felt Lewis' power, he basically went into a shell to prevent taking anymore flush shots.

[Silver]

I personally would pick Foreman to win as well. I just think his power is in a slightly different league than Tua's and he'd take him out somewhere along the way. Look how Tua fought when he felt Lewis' power, he basically went into a shell to prevent taking anymore flush shots.true, tua dosent get hit on the chin as much as people think. feeling foreman power will either make him close up or he get koed brutally.

[round15]

I could well argue that Foreman was slightly past his best in his second fight with Frazier,though Frazier was pretty shot in that fight TBH.
I have difficulty seeing Frazier (67-70) being a favourite against Foreman (72-73). The combination of the jab ,all the pushing and turning, and the right uppercut still makes me think Frazier-or for that matter Tua-would have difficulty coming in.I don't fancy their chances on the outside either.

Arka, respect to you for you post. I could argue that Foreman was always at his very best against Joe Frazier, especially in the second fight. The main reason is that Frazier is the only fighter that George Foreman in his book and in many interviews said that he was scared of. He didn't think he could beat him the first time and he didn't consider him a "scenic rest stop" the second time around. Foreman looked much more careful in 1976 against Frazier, knowing that he'd be ready for the uppercuts that KO'd him in 1973.

I still believe Frazier would have made a much better showing against Foreman in 1973 if he was at or near his prime weight and came into the fight with the same intensity he showed Ali. In fact, some say this is testament to Ali's greatness because of the punishment he inflicted on Frazier in losing the FOTC. In the second fight against Foreman, he boxed and moved practically shot while wearing contact lenses. He fought George Chuvalo in almost the same manner, moving and boxing, throwing his hook with jabs and straight rights.

[Arka]

Arka, respect to you for you post. I could argue that Foreman was always at his very best against Joe Frazier, especially in the second fight. The main reason is that Frazier is the only fighter that George Foreman in his book and in many interviews said that he was scared of. He didn't think he could beat him the first time and he didn't consider him a "scenic rest stop" the second time around. Foreman looked much more careful in 1976 against Frazier, knowing that he'd be ready for the uppercuts that KO'd him in 1973.

I still believe Frazier would have made a much better showing against Foreman in 1973 if he was at or near his prime weight and came into the fight with the same intensity he showed Ali. In fact, some say this is testament to Ali's greatness because of the punishment he inflicted on Frazier in losing the FOTC. In the second fight against Foreman, he boxed and moved practically shot while wearing contact lenses. He fought George Chuvalo in almost the same manner, moving and boxing, throwing his hook with jabs and straight rights.
Well,here is Frazier's analysis of his first fight with George from his autobiography:
'"I fought a dumb fight.I can't blame George for hitting me.If i stand in front of my son Marvis,and do the things I did that night,he's gonna clobber me too.
"What things? First,I was pulling back instead of staying in and smothering his punches,Then,I came straight at him,instead of coming in from the sides.And I came in with my hands down,like I was saying 'C'mon and hit me.'My other fights ,I always kept my hands higher and my body lower so I could take those shots.I just wasn't thinking clearly.
"Finally,when I got hit with a wicked shot,my old hot head took over.Instead of stepping back and clearing my head I went after him.I got hit and hit and hit."'


Here is a something about Frazier's fghting mentality going into the second Foreman fight;
'So instead of charging straight in,like a tank with a left hook,I would counter Foreman,and punch from a long range and,when I wasn't punching,be sure to move my head so as not to be an easy target.If the opportunity arose where I could slip inside,and whack him with my left,I'd do it but not linger.Not until he was tired and ready to be had.'