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thunder06
07-31-2007, 02:13 AM
Leonard at 160 lbs. Jake gave Robinson 5 tough fights and won at least one. How would he do against the other Sugar man?
bb251
07-31-2007, 02:58 AM
easy ud win for ray...
combatesdeboxeo
11-06-2010, 09:10 PM
really i would love to know who was the fucking idiot who did pick "leonard by ko"

leonard might no ko lamotta even with a shotgun
combatesdeboxeo
11-06-2010, 09:15 PM
easy ud win for ray...

easy? i hope you are joking... lamotta was much stronger than duran at middle, and roberto(welter) did beat leonard, sugar was faster at welter. lamotta had better chin by a mile, x10 more durable and more stamina. lamotta would pressure during all the fight and more... and leonard did hit like a butterfly...
timmers612
11-06-2010, 09:21 PM
easy ud win for ray...

I have a hard time seeing that,,,stronger and harder hitting then Duran, non stop coming forward when he choose and behind a skilled jab for a short armed fighter, unless he was really tired able to block and make punches slide by and over twelve rounds,,,its not hard for me to seek Jake eeking one out. Many of us saw a lightly trained and much slower Benitez take Ray to the wire in their 15 round go.
Bonecrusher
11-06-2010, 09:26 PM
Sugar Dec!!
laxpdx
11-06-2010, 11:56 PM
I like LaMotta by KO. He is the bigger, stronger man. Leonard will elude him for a while with his cuteness, but the Raging Bull will keep coming and eventually get to him.
bck620
11-07-2010, 12:15 AM
Jakes got a chance in a 15 rounder, but prime Leonard could circle just enough for 12 rounds and win a UD. As long as his ego dosent get in the way and tries to plant his feet and trade, then Jake may break a few of those ribs...
WhataRock
11-07-2010, 02:04 AM
I think its a pick em over 15....I side ever so slightly with pre-retirement Leonard coming up whilst he was in his prime.
IntentionalButt
11-07-2010, 02:04 AM
easy ud win for ray...

How many times out of ten?
turpinr
11-07-2010, 04:37 AM
leonard would outbox lamotta for a decision
PowerPuncher
11-07-2010, 06:27 AM
I like LaMotta by KO. He is the bigger, stronger man. Leonard will elude him for a while with his cuteness, but the Raging Bull will keep coming and eventually get to him.

Have people being watching too much of the movie 'Raging Bull'? How many elites did Lamotta actually KO?

Anyway Leonard UD, unlike Robinson Leonard at MW carried 160lbs rather than Robinsons often 143-145lb. This makes him better suited to take on and beat Lamotta than Robinson was in their early contests, which were closer.
mcvey
11-07-2010, 06:41 AM
easy? i hope you are joking... lamotta was much stronger than duran at middle, and roberto(welter) did beat leonard, sugar was faster at welter. lamotta had better chin by a mile, x10 more durable and more stamina. lamotta would pressure during all the fight and more... and leonard did hit like a butterfly...

Ray is not stopping Jake, but he was no butterfly 25 stoppages in 36 wins he hit hard, and was a ruthless finisher.
turpinr
11-07-2010, 06:43 AM
Ray is not stopping Jake, but he was no butterfly 25 stoppages in 36 wins he hit hard, and was a ruthless finisher.a butterfly ?? ask dave boy green.
FastHands(beeb)
11-07-2010, 07:57 AM
This depends on what SRR is weighing, assuming Jake weighs circa 160.

It's worth remembering that as a welterweight, SRR had murders with Marcos Geraldo, SRR said it was up there with his toughest, physically demanding fights. La Motta was superior to Geraldo.

If SRR is weighing circa 147, I suspect Jake bulls his way to a close decision. If SRR weighs what he weighed for Kalule or up to about 157 (which is realistic I feel), SRR wins on points...but doesn't stop Jake, even over 15, like the original Sugarman was able to.
Duodenum
11-07-2010, 09:03 AM
Sugar and Gruel. This one wouldn't taste sweet at the end.

Over the championship distance, I believe Jake takes a close but clear UD. He could switch to southpaw, and I think he wouldn't hesitate when realizing that posed some issues for Ray. SRL couldn't hurt Duran or Geraldo, so he's certainly not going to be able to hurt a former amateur LHW champion with LaMotta's legendary ruggedness. In a first time affair, I might actually place money on Jake. He'd walk through whatever Ray had, and continue marching after him. Robby indicated that fight five with LaMotta, a 12 round SD win, was the toughest of their half dozen battles for him, then stayed away for nearly six more years before Jake became a weight drained defending champion. SRL's middleweight resume is too barren, and his true quality at 160 is somewhat cloudy and shrouded in mystery. It was only with Hagler when pushing 31 that we ever even saw him as a full fledged MW, for only the second time with another 160 pounder.

Ray would have to outmaneuver him, because he's got nothing else to keep Jake off him with. SRL was more of a boxer-puncher though, not a stick and move specialist. While he was perfectly capable of hitting and running, I think he'd opt to engage with LaMotta, then find himself entangled by a mixture of strength, toughness and stamina too daunting to overcome, and too compelling to extricate himself. Once he jumped into that deep trench and committed himself, Jake wouldn't afford him the chance to climb back out into open territory.
combatesdeboxeo
11-07-2010, 09:47 AM
Ray is not stopping Jake, but he was no butterfly 25 stoppages in 36 wins he hit hard,, .he got 25 stoppages because he was very fast and he got combinations, but he did hit like a butterfly with a single shot. jake lamotta was naturally stronger than duran,leonard ,hearns or marvin hagler. and more durable.he was better pressure boxer than marvin, he had great stamina,la motta might well beat leonard.and i would not be surprised if he would do it
d was a ruthless finisher:deal
combatesdeboxeo
11-07-2010, 09:52 AM
the guy who did pick "leonard by ko"know shit about boxing or he is simply a hater or a leonard fanboy
werety
11-07-2010, 10:04 AM
he got 25 stoppages because he was very fast and he got combinations, but he did hit like a butterfly with a single shot. jake lamotta was naturally stronger than duran,leonard ,hearns or marvin hagler. and more durable.he was better pressure boxer than marvin, he had great stamina,la motta might well beat leonard.and i would not be surprised if he would do it
d was a ruthless finisher:deal

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Greene is already practically out on his feet with that one extremely short left hook, it only takes one more to completely close the show.
Abdullah
11-07-2010, 11:28 AM
really i would love to know who was the fucking idiot who did pick "leonard by ko"

leonard might no ko lamotta even with a shotgun

Hahaha! There is always one dumb*ss out there on every poll.
combatesdeboxeo
11-07-2010, 11:36 AM
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Greene is already practically out on his feet with that one extremely short left hook, it only takes one more to completely close the show.

honestly.... do you think that leonard was a hard puncher with a single shot?

robinson was by far harder puncher than leonard, and robinson could not ko lamotta. robinson was much better tha leonard in everything. absolutely everything
combatesdeboxeo
11-07-2010, 11:59 AM
Hahaha! There is always one dumb*ss out there on every poll.

:D:rofl:rofl
Jorodz
11-07-2010, 12:09 PM
this is a tough pick. lamotta himself was a cutie with slick skills (when he wanted to use them) and leonard despite VASTLY superior speed and combinations, often resorted to brawling. sure, he avoided it against hagler but he liked to fight. leonard was faster, techincally better, but did not have lamotta's physical strength. i think PP mentioend raging bull and how it's clouded judgement; lamotta was regularly outboxed and his KO power was average at best at the elite level. he was strong but not a big hitter

over 12, SRL
over 15, Lamotta
werety
11-07-2010, 01:30 PM
honestly.... do you think that leonard was a hard puncher with a single shot?

robinson was by far harder puncher than leonard, and robinson could not ko lamotta. robinson was much better tha leonard in everything. absolutely everything

He definitely didn't punch "like a butterfly" and I provided evidence on film to show that. I never said Leonard could K.O. Lamotta or that he hit harder than Robinson so I don't know what you're going on with.
Swarmer
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Ray Leonard UD.
pacpowerpellet
11-08-2010, 10:18 PM
if hagler couldnt ko him lamottas not hagler was alot faster powerful and slicker then lamotta marvin could switch from lefty to righty and was a very crafty fighter and much better mw then lamotta
Jorodz
11-08-2010, 10:26 PM
Ray Leonard UD.

the more i think about it, the more i have to learn towards this. i have to say (may get slaughtered for this) lamotta is kinda overrated at times
combatesdeboxeo
11-09-2010, 02:44 PM
He definitely didn't punch "like a butterfly" and I provided evidence on film to show that. I never said Leonard could K.O. Lamotta or that he hit harder than Robinson so I don't know what you're going on with.

leonard did hit like a butterfly compared with robinson and it is a fact :deal
Bokaj
11-09-2010, 02:48 PM
... and leonard did hit like a butterfly...

That is... kind of ignorant, actually.
combatesdeboxeo
11-09-2010, 03:19 PM
That is... kind of ignorant, actually.
NOT, THE FACTS ARE I WATCHED EVERY FIGHT OF SUGAR RAY LEONARD AND HE GOT GREAT AND FAST COMBINATIONS, BUT HIS HITTING POWER WAS A JOKE COMPARED WITH THE ROBINSONīS . IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT LEONARD WAS "A PUNCHER" YOU ARE THE ONLY IGNORANT HERE. OBVIOUSLY HE DIDNīT HIT LIKE A BUTTERFLY IT IS JUST AN EXPRESSION, BUT YOUR BRAIN IS TOO OBSOLETE TO UNDERSTAND IT, ROBINSON DID HIT MUCH HARDER THAN HIM. :deal POSSIBLY YOU WERE THE PUNK WHO DID PICK "LEONARD BY KO" lol
Jorodz
11-09-2010, 03:30 PM
NOT, THE FACTS ARE I WATCHED EVERY FIGHT OF SUGAR RAY LEONARD AND HE GOT GREAT AND FAST COMBINATIONS, BUT HIS HITTING POWER WAS A JOKE COMPARED WITH THE ROBINSONīS . IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT LEONARD WAS "A PUNCHER" YOU ARE THE ONLY IGNORANT HERE. OBVIOUSLY HE DIDNīT HIT LIKE A BUTTERFLY IT IS JUST AN EXPRESSION, BUT YOUR BRAIN IS TOO OBSOLETE TO UNDERSTAND IT, ROBINSON DID HIT MUCH HARDER THAN HIM. :deal POSSIBLY YOU WERE THE PUNK WHO DID PICK "LEONARD BY KO" lol

there's a world of different between butterfuly and robinson, one of the greatest punchers ever though

leonard was not a "puncher" per se but at welter he had serious pop. he was a boxer puncher who could deal real damage when he sat down on his shots

whether he could even dent lamotta though is a different story...
combatesdeboxeo
11-09-2010, 03:39 PM
there's a world of different between butterfuly and robinson, one of the greatest punchers ever though

yes, i said butterfly because his hitting power was it compared with the robinsonīs



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leonard was not a "puncher" per se but at welter he had serious pop. He was a boxer puncher who could deal real damage when he sat down on his shots

leonard was an stylist, he knocked out his rivals with fast combination by accumulation of blows and weariness
MagnaNasakki
11-09-2010, 04:19 PM
Have people being watching too much of the movie 'Raging Bull'? How many elites did Lamotta actually KO?

Anyway Leonard UD, unlike Robinson Leonard at MW carried 160lbs rather than Robinsons often 143-145lb. This makes him better suited to take on and beat Lamotta than Robinson was in their early contests, which were closer.

This. Lamotta had the style, but not anywhere near the power. Duran had a lot more sting. You can't wear an elite cutie like Leonard down with tenacity and pressure alone. You need to hurt him and break him down. I really don't feel LaMotta could be counted on to do that a majority of the time.

Leonard by UD 6 or 7 times out of ten. He loses one time because he stands toe to toe to much and gets edged, and the other 2 or 3 times because LaMotta does great work and breaks him down effectively. Jake will not come close to kayoing Leonard.
Bokaj
11-09-2010, 04:21 PM
NOT, THE FACTS ARE I WATCHED EVERY FIGHT OF SUGAR RAY LEONARD AND HE GOT GREAT AND FAST COMBINATIONS, BUT HIS HITTING POWER WAS A JOKE COMPARED WITH THE ROBINSONīS . IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT LEONARD WAS "A PUNCHER" YOU ARE THE ONLY IGNORANT HERE. OBVIOUSLY HE DIDNīT HIT LIKE A BUTTERFLY IT IS JUST AN EXPRESSION, BUT YOUR BRAIN IS TOO OBSOLETE TO UNDERSTAND IT, ROBINSON DID HIT MUCH HARDER THAN HIM. :deal POSSIBLY YOU WERE THE PUNK WHO DID PICK "LEONARD BY KO" lol

It's a stupid expression. Robinson hit harder, but Leonard had a fine punch. It wasn't a joke compared to anyone his size. And no, I didn't pick Leonard by KO.