View Full Version : GSP ranking in P4P and BJ Penn's
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:07 PM
Okay, now in everyone's list he is 3 or 4 depending on who you put at 3 or 4(BJ Penn or him).
If GSP beat Penn(which I think he will) Is he gonna move to number 2?(If Fedor die he could make 1)
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If BJ Penn beat GSP, does he become number 2?
In both case, for me, GSP or Penn wins, they move above Anderson Silva.
I have St-Pierre at number 3. I would have him above Anderson if he didn't lose to Serra. St-Pierre has one of the greatest resumes in MMA.
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:15 PM
I have St-Pierre at number 3. I would have him above Anderson if he didn't lose to Serra. St-Pierre has one of the greatest resumes in MMA.
He has the greatest I think in UFC.
but it is sure that Serra's loss is a black eye on his career, but he corrected that in a complete domination in a way Serra never lost that bad.
After he beat BJ in my opinion, Diego Sanchez and Alves could add up to his already good resume and that could be the end of GSP in WW division.
He has the greatest I think in UFC.
but it is sure that Serra's loss is a black eye on his career, but he corrected that in a complete domination in a way Serra never lost that bad.
After he beat BJ in my opinion, Diego Sanchez and Alves could add up to his already good resume and that could be the end of GSP in WW division.
I agree.
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:21 PM
but If Cote shock everybody in beating Silva, I don't think GSP would go to MW for a while, they will never fight against. Like Machida and A.Silva for exemple.
but If Cote shock everybody in beating Silva, I don't think GSP would go to MW for a while, they will never fight against. Like Machida and A.Silva for exemple.
Well Machida and Anderson won't fight for the reason that they're good friends.
I would almost bet my life Cote won't beat Anderson. But you never know. I just can't wait for Penn/St-Pierre 2!
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:30 PM
Cote has a bigger chance to beat Silva than Okami has in my opinion.
Cote has a bigger chance to beat Silva than Okami has in my opinion.
Wow, really? Please explain.
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:36 PM
because Cote has power and a fluke can happen every second.
Okami didnt wanted none of Silva's striking, and he woulndt be able to hold Silva on the ground 5 rounds.
Cote is gonna try to land a big right hand, and try to change the fight. He almost did against Ortiz when he hurted him(i'm not comparing Silva and Ortiz) but people got to admit that everybody were saying Cote would get TKO 1 in the first round.
québecwarrior
09-14-2008, 10:45 PM
Oh and I want an avatar bet that Cote ain't gonna lost in the first two rounds.
He is gonna be the first guy in the UFC to go to the 3rd round vs Silva.
Any takers????
Beebs
09-15-2008, 12:07 AM
Well right now, judging them solely on their first fight, GSP is just slightly better, but a fair bit bigger, so Penn would probably be ahead PfP. The next fight will definitely clear things up.
jimmie
09-15-2008, 01:34 AM
because Cote has power and a fluke can happen every second.
Okami didnt wanted none of Silva's striking, and he woulndt be able to hold Silva on the ground 5 rounds.
Cote is gonna try to land a big right hand, and try to change the fight. He almost did against Ortiz when he hurted him(i'm not comparing Silva and Ortiz) but people got to admit that everybody were saying Cote would get TKO 1 in the first round.
I wouldnt really say he hurt Tito. He dropped him to a knee and Tito recovered quickly. Ken Shamrock hurt him in 02 more so then Cote did.
ozziebattler
09-15-2008, 07:47 PM
Oh and I want an avatar bet that Cote ain't gonna lost in the first two rounds.
He is gonna be the first guy in the UFC to go to the 3rd round vs Silva.
Any takers????
I will take the bet.
Cote will be tko'd by the 3min mark of the 2nd round.
québecwarrior
09-15-2008, 08:42 PM
I will take the bet.
Cote will be tko'd by the 3min mark of the 2nd round.
who are you?
BewareofDawg
09-16-2008, 10:11 AM
If BJ Penn beats GSP he moves to #1. Sorry Fedor. It would look like:
Penn
Fedor
Silva
Machida
J_Roth
09-16-2008, 10:24 AM
Whoever wins the Penn/GSP fight will be my #2 P4P. I really like both guys a bunch and they are easily two of my all time favorites.
berserkafied
09-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Whoever wins this fight has a strong argument for being no.1 P4P iMO. It all depends on how you define P4P - (I define it on resume and the quality of opponents faced, and to a lesser extent the skill-set of the fighter in question.)
Fedor Em
09-16-2008, 12:47 PM
Right now the only weakness I see in GSP's game is one he cannot really fix and that is his chin is a bit shaky. His striking is the best in his division and may be only 2nd to Silva in all of MMA. Penn is a very underrated striker on his feet as well. GSP and Penn are a level above everyone with their takedown defense, and Penn is the best ground tactician in the game but GSP is turning into a beast on the ground too.
I have Penn at #3 and GSP at #4. I know Silva is great but I think these guys are right there with him and I would have no problem putting them at #1. Fedor should be #1 unamiously but he has been inactive bar the dominant win over Sylvia.
québecwarrior
09-16-2008, 01:16 PM
Right now the only weakness I see in GSP's game is one he cannot really fix and that is his chin is a bit shaky. His striking is the best in his division and may be only 2nd to Silva in all of MMA. Penn is a very underrated striker on his feet as well. GSP and Penn are a level above everyone with their takedown defense, and Penn is the best ground tactician in the game but GSP is turning into a beast on the ground too.
I have Penn at #3 and GSP at #4. I know Silva is great but I think these guys are right there with him and I would have no problem putting them at #1. Fedor should be #1 unamiously but he has been inactive bar the dominant win over Sylvia.
GSP's chin is not shaky.
Serra caught him behind the ear with a big punch which caused him to lost balance and after that he didnt reacted well and was giving a beating then he tap because he didnt know how to react to eat punch in the face. GSP was never out. His chin is not an issue for me, Fitch caught him 2 or 3 times with good punch and GSP did take them nicely, if he was shaky, we would have see his leg bottle up a little but it didnt. Even if Fitch is not a power puncher. His chin is maybe not ala BJ Penn, but it certainly not shaky ala Joe Stevenson
Grievesy
09-16-2008, 02:16 PM
Right now the only weakness I see in GSP's game is one he cannot really fix and that is his chin is a bit shaky. His striking is the best in his division and may be only 2nd to Silva in all of MMA. Penn is a very underrated striker on his feet as well. GSP and Penn are a level above everyone with their takedown defense, and Penn is the best ground tactician in the game but GSP is turning into a beast on the ground too.
I have Penn at #3 and GSP at #4. I know Silva is great but I think these guys are right there with him and I would have no problem putting them at #1. Fedor should be #1 unamiously but he has been inactive bar the dominant win over Sylvia.
GSP is definately not the 2nd best striker in MMA. Bar Silva there is Penn, Machida, Shogun, CroCop and numerous others that i think are better in the stand up department. I think GSP's stand up is overrated by many, although it is still above average. Certainly his weakest point if you could call it weak. And i don't think GSP's chin is that weak but it is by no means granite.
Right now the only weakness I see in GSP's game is one he cannot really fix and that is his chin is a bit shaky. His striking is the best in his division and may be only 2nd to Silva in all of MMA.
Manhoef
Hunt
Daley
LeBanner
All much better strikers than Georges.
chimba
09-16-2008, 02:53 PM
Right now the only weakness I see in GSP's game is one he cannot really fix and that is his chin is a bit shaky. His striking is the best in his division and may be only 2nd to Silva in all of MMA. Penn is a very underrated striker on his feet as well. GSP and Penn are a level above everyone with their takedown defense, and Penn is the best ground tactician in the game but GSP is turning into a beast on the ground too.
I have Penn at #3 and GSP at #4. I know Silva is great but I think these guys are right there with him and I would have no problem putting them at #1. Fedor should be #1 unamiously but he has been inactive bar the dominant win over Sylvia.
I agree with most of your point..but i will take Penns stand up as a bit better than GSP. If you take into consideration Penns elusiveness and chin into play along with his heavy hands...id give him the edge over anyone at 155 - 170lbs.
GSPs takedowns and TD defense is the best in the game..better than BJ. Although BJ's top game is the best in the history of MMA..I cant see anyone escaping him frm the bottom not even light heavys...Id put Penn #1 if he wins this fight moreso than GSP..when you consider his size...
GSP will be a slight favorite in the fight..I see him being too strong for BJ..55-45 fight IMHO and thats saying alot for Penn considering how dominant GSp has been and how GSP has about 20 pounds of muscle over him in size
québecwarrior
09-16-2008, 06:04 PM
one thing is sure, if BJ Penn win, he is gonna challenge Anderson Silva
one thing is sure, if BJ Penn win, he is gonna challenge Anderson Silva
BJ's a crazy dude. That's why he's my favorite fighter.
chimba
09-16-2008, 09:04 PM
one thing is sure, if BJ Penn win, he is gonna challenge Anderson Silva
Wouldnt surprise me one bit..Hes already challenged Wanderlai in Wands prime..Penn basically taunted him
If BJ Penn beats GSP he moves to #1. Sorry Fedor. It would look like:
Penn
Fedor
Silva
Machidai'm a huge GSP fan but i agree if BJ wins he should most likely move to #1. it somewhat depends on what Fedor does in the mean time. i'm not sure GSP beating the smaller man would put him anymore than #2 thogh.
Fedor Em
09-16-2008, 11:00 PM
Manhoef
Hunt
Daley
LeBanner
All much better strikers than Georges.
Hunt was better but he is getting older and not what he once was. The other 3 you can make a case for. GSP's standup is top notch though.
Fedor Em
09-16-2008, 11:05 PM
GSP is definately not the 2nd best striker in MMA. Bar Silva there is Penn, Machida, Shogun, CroCop and numerous others that i think are better in the stand up department. I think GSP's stand up is overrated by many, although it is still above average. Certainly his weakest point if you could call it weak. And i don't think GSP's chin is that weak but it is by no means granite.
Cro Cop is all but done. 2-3 years ago it was the best in MMA but now I think he is too hesitant to be a top level striker anymore. Mentally he isn't there to contend with the best. I think Penn is a very good striker but not as heavy handed as GSP. Machida is a beast and his timing is amazing but I don't think he can mix it up quite as well as GSP. Shogun is just a monster so I will agree with you there.
Fedor Em
09-16-2008, 11:07 PM
GSP's chin is not shaky.
Serra caught him behind the ear with a big punch which caused him to lost balance and after that he didnt reacted well and was giving a beating then he tap because he didnt know how to react to eat punch in the face. GSP was never out. His chin is not an issue for me, Fitch caught him 2 or 3 times with good punch and GSP did take them nicely, if he was shaky, we would have see his leg bottle up a little but it didnt. Even if Fitch is not a power puncher. His chin is maybe not ala BJ Penn, but it certainly not shaky ala Joe Stevenson
Fitch caught GSP in the 2nd round I believe and stunned him a bit. Nothing major but GSP was thinking about it. His chin is not glass but it is a bit shaky.
Fedor Em
09-16-2008, 11:09 PM
Wouldnt surprise me one bit..Hes already challenged Wanderlai in Wands prime..Penn basically taunted him
The man has the nuts the size of an elephant. You have to give him that.
québecwarrior
09-17-2008, 08:45 AM
Fitch caught GSP in the 2nd round I believe and stunned him a bit. Nothing major but GSP was thinking about it. His chin is not glass but it is a bit shaky.
he wasnt stunned, watch again, the punch just made him realised that he was doing something wrong
BewareofDawg
09-17-2008, 10:55 AM
i'm a huge GSP fan but i agree if BJ wins he should most likely move to #1. it somewhat depends on what Fedor does in the mean time. i'm not sure GSP beating the smaller man would put him anymore than #2 thogh.
I agree with you. GSP is a beast and I am picking him to beat BJ, but if he does I don't think you can move him above Fedor. Above Anderson, yes. Simply because this is P4P and he is much bigger then BJ.
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