Black v white HW's 1892-1903'ish

[mattdonnellon]

Lots of posters Janitor, Suzie, Mendoza, Dmt, McGrain and others have a great knowledge of the period up to, say 1905, amazing when you realize that the fighters in question were born 120 or more years ago. But who wins a top 10 tornament, Black v White fighters?
Whites... well Corbett, Fitz, Jeff, Sharkey, Maher, Ruhlin, McCoy, Choynsky, Slavin, Goddard, Ed Smith, feel free to use your own picks.
Black...Godfrey, Craig, Childs, Martin, Griffin, Klondike, CC Smith, Jackson, McVey, Johnson, add your own, I'm opperating off memory.
Close calls, IMO anyone fancy putting their head on the block?

[janitor]

I will kick off (head on block) by saying that I am almost certain that the three outstanding talents of the group are:

Peter Jackson

Jim Jeffries

Jack Johnson

I would be surprized if the final did not come down to two of this trio.

[mattdonnellon]

Wouldn't disagree but i meant it as a team thing, were the top 10 blacks better than their white conterparts?
6-4? 5-5? 10-0?

[janitor]

Wouldn't disagree but i meant it as a team thing, were the top 10 blacks better than their white conterparts?
6-4? 5-5? 10-0?

On a team basis I dont think I could confidently pick a winner because most of the random matchups would be pick em fights.

I will take the liberty of proposing a random draw myself based on your lists:

Choynski vs Childs

Corbett vs Craig

Goddard vs Godfrey

Fitzsimmons vs Griffin

Jeffries vs Jackson

Maher vs Johnson

McCoy vs Hains

Rhulin vs Martin

Sharkey vs McVea

Slavin vs Smith



Red = first group is a strong favourite

Orange = pick em

Green = second group is a strong favourite

[Mendoza]

Wouldn't disagree but i meant it as a team thing, were the top 10 blacks better than their white conterparts?
6-4? 5-5? 10-0?

It depends on the weight class from 1892-1903. Dixon, McGovern, Gans, Ryan, Griffo, etc...

[Brian123]

I will kick off (head on block) by saying that I am almost certain that the three outstanding talents of the group are:

Peter Jackson

Jim Jeffries

Jack Johnson

I would be surprized if the final did not come down to two of this trio.

:good I agree. Jefferies did beat Peter Jackson and almost surely in his prime would have beaten Johnson (hell he went 15 round against a prime Johnson after 6 years out of the ring and in 107 degree heat!).
So Jefferies would win the tourney and it would be a good one!

[Maxmomer]

:good I agree. Jefferies did beat Peter Jackson and almost surely in his prime would have beaten Johnson (hell he went 15 round against a prime Johnson after 6 years out of the ring and in 107 degree heat!).
So Jefferies would win the tourney and it would be a good one!

Jackson was old in his fight with Jeffries. And Jeffries felt he never would have been able to beat Johnson. He lasted 15 rounds, but he was dominated and humiliated for all of them.

[mattdonnellon]

On a team basis I dont think I could confidently pick a winner because most of the random matchups would be pick em fights.

I will take the liberty of proposing a random draw myself based on your lists:

Choynski vs Childs

Corbett vs Craig

Goddard vs Godfrey

Fitzsimmons vs Griffin

Jeffries vs Jackson

Maher vs Johnson

McCoy vs Hains

Rhulin vs Martin

Sharkey vs McVea

Slavin vs Smith



Red = first group is a strong favourite

Orange = pick em

Green = second group is a strong favourite
i LIKE YOUR RANDOM(ALPHABETICAL DRAW)
I'd go Choynski, Corbett, Goddard, Fitz, Johnson, McCoy, Martin, McVey, Slavin with Jackson-Jeffries the hardest to pick. Probably Jeff.