Kevin "Mighty" Mitchell

[MightyLondoner]

Any news on him, looked really impressive against Johanssen and Estrada, just wondered if theres any ideas to who his next opponent maybe im thinking not only a british but an east end tear up with Nicky Cook it would be really exciting.

[si_19]

I think he said he will never fight Cook because there friends

[Claypole]

looked really impressive against Johanssen and EstradaI don't think impressive is the right word. He came back well to beat Johanssen, but was close to being beat on the way.

As for the Estrada fight, he looked awful. He got punched way too many times, and looked like a novice before finding the finishing shot himself.

[saturday_kid]

I think he said he will never fight Cook because there friends

Yep said it on Bunce's Boxing Hour he'd never fight Cook, seemed pretty adament.

[alba]

he is a decent fighter but he was not the berst against estrada,what fight were you watching?

[robpalmer135]

Looks like Kevin will go down the IBF route as he is ranked number 2 with them already.

Manuel Medina would be a big test as an eliminator and i think he would ahve enough to beat Baloyi on home turf.

I can see Mitchell for a world title at the 02 at some point next year, with perhaps Cook and even Fraudley getting world title shots on the same card.

Think about it ****** has gotta keep his ppv quote with Sky and if Khan cannot get past Euro level, Mitchell is his only other figther with Hatton/Khan/Calzaghe potential.

[LiamE]

Looks like Kevin will go down the IBF route as he is ranked number 2 with them already.

Manuel Medina would be a big test as an eliminator and i think he would ahve enough to beat Baloyi on home turf.

I can see Mitchell for a world title at the 02 at some point next year, with perhaps Cook and even Fraudley getting world title shots on the same card.

Think about it ****** has gotta keep his ppv quote with Sky and if Khan cannot get past Euro level, Mitchell is his only other figther with Hatton/Khan/Calzaghe potential.

Spot the odd one out.

[trotter]

Mitchell is unlikely to be a true world beater: he's tough but his defence sucks.

I hope I'm wrong.

I think you're right

He's got lovely fludity in his punching too, but lacks KO punch power

That said, he can still improve. And he could grab a version of the title if matched well. But he'll always be open and he'll never be a banger - it's not a great combination at the elite level

[trotter]

Calzaghe: he's the only one who hasn't had an humiliating beating in front of his fans.

Can't see how losing to Floyd is 'humiliating'.

He did far bigger jobs on Corrales and Gatti, and he beat Oscar about a stone over his optimum weight class.

No shame in losing to the best all round fighter of the last decade, maybe even 20 years, who is essentially flawless.

[FLINT ISLAND]

It was a joke, mate. Though knocking yourself out against the turnbuckle is pretty humiliating.

If you look from a couple of rounds leading up to that knockout Mayweather was trying and suceeding in cacthing Hatton with that "check hook" - Hatton was a sucker for it. And Mayweather finally got him good with it - it was no accident - Hatton didnt heed the warning - Mayweather was looking for that shot all the time

[robpalmer135]

It was a joke, mate. Though knocking yourself out against the turnbuckle is pretty humiliating.

what are you on about???? hatton was KO'd as soon as the shot hit. Mayweather in my opnion is the best fighter ever, theres no shame in hatton loosing.

the shame and humiliation was the build up, how arrogant hattons camp were, they were overly confident and did not respect mayweathers power.

[robpalmer135]

I think you're right

He's got lovely fludity in his punching too, but lacks KO punch power

That said, he can still improve. And he could grab a version of the title if matched well. But he'll always be open and he'll never be a banger - it's not a great combination at the elite level

The thing about Mitchell which is very different to Khan, he can take a punch. Hes never been down Amateur or Pro. So he can afford to have an average defense, and learn from there. also he clearly has a KO punch.

id like to see mitchell get out to freddy roaches gym.

[TFFP]

I'm not sure. I think he's European level, maybe fringe world class if he improves a fair bit.

I like the kid, and he's good to watch but the overall package is not there are world title level. The defence is poor, just as bad as Khan's, although his chin is obviously way better but against top punchers you are going to be in trouble regardless if you eat the sort of clean leather Mitchell seems to.

His offence is nice though. Always had good variety and power.

[dwilson]

Mitchell needs 6 or 7 more build up fights before he goes for a world title. The kid has talent but he is along way from being the finished article, soft match making has held back his progression. Hopefully ****** will keep him away from Cook and give him good fights. No doubt that he could become a WBO champ pretty soon but I really doubt that he would be able to keep the belt for a decent period. Maybe try him against guys like Koba Golagdza(?) or Gulyakevich or Leva Kirakosyan, good euro level fighters who will get the best from him add a couple of guys like Klassen, Fana and Beltran and we may have built a genuine world title prospect instead of some cocky cockney fed pn bums and faded domestic fighters like Johannesson.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Keep your pants on, my little Thatcherite friend. IT WAS A JOKE! There is no shame in losing to the best boxer in the sport right now - but it was still pretty damn humiliating going out like that.

As for your "best fighter ever" - really? You think he's better than Ray Leonard? Roy Jones Jr? Pernell Whitaker? Thomas Hearns? Marvin Hagler? Ali?

I can't wait to hear your justification for such a silly comment


Course he is not as good as those guys.

Roy Jones was the best fighter of the 90's and early 00's.

Mayweather is a defensive fighter - his performance against De La Hoya showed he is no where near the greatest ever - he mouthed off all through the build up and then fought like a bitch

[Top Dog]

what are you on about???? hatton was KO'd as soon as the shot hit. Mayweather in my opnion is the best fighter ever, theres no shame in hatton loosing.

the shame and humiliation was the build up, how arrogant hattons camp were, they were overly confident and did not respect mayweathers power.

Naw dont agree mate, Hatton was badly hurt with the corner post, he really fecked his neck up, have a look in slowmo. Dont want to cover old ground, but he was knocked out by the post IMO.

[faisal]

i give mitchell the edge over some of the fighters at 130 however the likes of humberto soto,juarez,valero, guerror would lay a smashing on him.

[robpalmer135]

it may be a bold statment, and really i cannot judge agaisnt allot of those guys as i have only watched there fights back, not live, im only 22.

my dad will tell you ray leonard is the best fighter ever, as he was the best of his generation, my grandad will say sugar ray robinson for the same reason I say mayweather as he is my generation best fighter of my generation so far (theres nobody around the corner thats looks like they can top him)

for me Mayweather was the total package. Flawless. You can say he is defenseive (a defensive genius) at that but when he was at super feather and lightweight he used to knock guys out. you can say he lost to castillo but he recterfied that defeat. his chin could stand a full punch of a light middleweight. anyone who calls de la hoya vs mayweather a close fight is mad, i had floyd up by 9 rounds to 3. his performances agaisnt Gatti and Corrales were imense.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Roy Jones was more exeptional than Floyd Mayweather

His performance against Vinny Paz was immnese.

In one round he did not get hit by one single punch -- -- FACT

[MightyLondoner]

I think if is nutured slowly after all he is still only 23 then he could get a world title, he was wobbled a bit against johanneson but i was impessed with how he came through the fight.

[trotter]

Keep your pants on, my little Thatcherite friend. IT WAS A JOKE! There is no shame in losing to the best boxer in the sport right now - but it was still pretty damn humiliating going out like that.

As for your "best fighter ever" - really? You think he's better than Ray Leonard? Roy Jones Jr? Pernell Whitaker? Thomas Hearns? Marvin Hagler? Ali?

I can't wait to hear your justification for such a silly comment
If it was a joke why have you just repeated it as a serious statement??


And it can be argued that Floyd is one of the best of all time. Not that any such thing really exists or is provable mind you.

His talent is worthy of such acclaim IMO and he won titles from 130-154. Apart from pretty much skipping 140 and grabbing a belt at 154 (fighting well within the weight limit) he was clearly the man at 130, 135, 147.

The man has been winning world titles for ten years spanning 24 lbs and has one tight decision as the only black mark against his name. He's barely taken a clean punch.

You can argue all night about fighters from different eras and weights but I can't for a minute see why it's a 'silly' comment.

[TFFP]

Mayweather's resume is not top 25 ATG worthy at all. Top 10 and dare I say the GOAT is an absolutely laughable suggestion.

[scurlaruntings]

Looks like Kevin will go down the IBF route as he is ranked number 2 with them already.

Manuel Medina would be a big test as an eliminator and i think he would ahve enough to beat Baloyi on home turf.

I can see Mitchell for a world title at the 02 at some point next year, with perhaps Cook and even Fraudley getting world title shots on the same card.

Think about it ****** has gotta keep his ppv quote with Sky and if Khan cannot get past Euro level, Mitchell is his only other figther with Hatton/Khan/Calzaghe potential. :yikes Medina? That guys STILL around?

[Hitman_Hatton]

The thing about Mitchell which is very different to Khan, he can take a punch. Hes never been down Amateur or Pro. So he can afford to have an average defense, and learn from there. also he clearly has a KO punch.

id like to see mitchell get out to freddy roaches gym.

Johanesson dropped Mitchell.

[trotter]

Floyd has neither resume nor a single "classic" fight to prove he is the GOAT. That's why it's silly. And it's a joke: it was humiliating for Hatton to lose like that, but I'm not denigrating Hatton as a boxer.

Chill the fuck out.

Corrales, Gatti, Hatton and Oscar are all wins that in future years will be revered for varying reasons. And the sheer number of title wins and weight divisions gives him a fantastic resume.

I think you are actually criticising him for not having a particularly hard time against anybody. Each of those wins above is remarkable in its own way.

You cannot prove who is the greatest of all time, it's an utterly futile debate, are you talking best career, biggest talent, longevity? There are way too many variables to debate. But Floyd is a remarkable and exceptional fighter without a shadow of doubt. I'm not saying he's the best. But he's comparable to the best.


ps what was the joke? I'm missing your punchline mate. Hatton being humiliated is a joke... yet you've said it seriously three times now. You either mean it or you don't, surely?

[TFFP]

If he's so comparable to the say..top 10 greatest fighters of all-time, do go ahead and compare.

I'll be an interested observer for this one.

[trotter]

If he's so comparable to the say..top 10 greatest fighters of all-time, do go ahead and compare.

I'll be an interested observer for this one.

I wouldn't pretend to know enough to do that. I'm sure you would though.

But when someone says it's 'silly' to compare Floyd to Whittaker, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler, all fighters I've seen a fair bit of, I don't see why. I don't see some massive talent gulf between any of those guys and him.

Do you?

[girv]

:yikes Medina? That guys STILL around?

He is shot to shit. He got absolutely hammered a few weeks ago.

[scurlaruntings]

He is shot to shit. He got absolutely hammered a few weeks ago.I remember when Marquez smashed him up in one of the best bouts of pure power precision boxing id seen in a long time. That guys been boxing for well over 20 years. :-(

[TFFP]

I wouldn't pretend to know enough to do that. I'm sure you would though.

But when someone says it's 'silly' to compare Floyd to Whittaker, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler, all fighters I've seen a fair bit of, I don't see why. I don't see some massive talent gulf between any of those guys and him.

Do you? I expected this :-(

If you don't know who you are even comparing him to in your own mind how can you say he is comparable to any fighter?

Talent is one thing, resume is quite another. Even if a combination of both is used Mayweather does not figure nearly as highly as you like to believe presumably to compensate for Hatton. De La Hoya/Whitaker/Mayweather in their respective fights against one another proved to me that prime to prime they are superior h2h fighters.

That is not even considering right across all weights and eras, or the most important and critical aspect of resume.

[trotter]

i think you're reading too much into it. I mean he was humiliated - that is undoubtedly true. I am merely pointing it out in the spirit of jest. there is no serious malice behind it because Ricky was very brave yet utterly outgunned.

Anyway, my argument for Ray leonard as the GOAT is simple: fantastic resume, great achievements, fantastic abilities, able to come back from adversity, rarely in a dull fight, took risks, generally fought the best available in his weight class.

Sure he was a glory hunter but, man, what glory.

What the fuck has Floyd done? As for the Gatti win: Cotto did the equivalent in hammering the shit out of Gomez, but noone's gonna laud that because Arturo brought the money and Gomez was a "Contender". That's the difference between a "good" win and a bum on these boards.

If you don't see the gulf in class between Whitaker, De La Hoya or Leonard, then you really need to study them closer. Floyd is good - at the lighter weights he'd be dominant for the speed, defence and power advantages he had. Put him against a guy like Duran: hard hitting, relentless, solid chin, good jab and fundamentals along with a pressure style and he'd be losing. We saw how a fairly limited guy like Castillo could hold him close (and had an argument for winning) - that does not suggest GOAT material to me.

Leonard's prime loss came to Duran. An ATG. Probably the best LW ever. Floyd "lost" to a second string (but very good) Castillo. How impressive.

Floyd didn't lose to Castillo did he?

And again, I never said Floyd is the best ever. It's a ridiculous thing to say. But you claim it's silly to even compare him to Whittaker, Hearns or Leonard? Nah.

[robpalmer135]

I expected this :-(

If you don't know who you are even comparing him to in your own mind how can you say he is comparable to any fighter?

Talent is one thing, resume is quite another. Even if a combination of both is used Mayweather does not figure nearly as highly as you like to believe presumably to compensate for Hatton. De La Hoya/Whitaker/Mayweather in their respective fights against one another proved to me that prime to prime they are superior h2h fighters.

That is not even considering right across all weights and eras, or the most important and critical aspect of resume.

Mayweather won a bronze at the 96 olympics, hes won 5..........5 WBC world titiles, the true world title. He was undefeated, and never in real trouble. he only ever got knocked down because he broke his hand. I think you really have to go and watch back some of his fights, get on youtube, the guys is ridiclious.

its not just me that things this, Nas Hammed, Johnny Nelson and Paul Mallignaggi recently said Mayweather is the best of all time.

Theres no better fight from the last 10 years. Mayweather wanted to fight Cotto 3 years ago, it didn't happen, he wanted to fight de la hoya for a long time, it didnt happen for a long time.

the fact your butting hearns, whitacker and leonard up against Mayweather is silly. Mayweather was at his best as a Super Feather/Lightweight. there he was untouchable. He would have beat duran, and in my opinion, whitacker is hugley over rated.

i except that now people do not feel the same way as me, many in the 70s-80s said the same about Leonard. in 10 years Floyd will be in most peoples top 10s.

anyone that says hes not in the top 50 is a fool. 5 wbc titles in 5 weights!!!!

[BIG WORM]

Mitchell needs to step up and face a decent fighter before he seizes over - hes always having a go at khan saying hes been exposed and all this shit. - who has Mitchell fought? hes fought 30 bums, how many fights does he expect to have in his career 80? - only in his last two fights as he stepped up

hes ONLY beat TWO legit opponents - not even that, ONE former OK domestic fighter carl johaneson - and he got smashed about by estrada a journeyman

khans faced better fighters than him - it aint a khan vs mitchell competition but he thinks hes clever saying khans a hype job.. and im gonna clean up the SFW division - "im the next big thing innit bruv" - khans just a p*ki

i think in his little mind he thinks coz khan struggled with gomez he'd beat khan!!!!!!!!

He should fight Gomez or Limond - limond would beat him up

[LiamE]

Mayweather won a bronze at the 96 olympics, hes won 5..........5 WBC world titiles, the true world title. He was undefeated, and never in real trouble. he only ever got knocked down because he broke his hand. I think you really have to go and watch back some of his fights, get on youtube, the guys is ridiclious.

its not just me that things this, Nas Hammed, Johnny Nelson and Paul Mallignaggi recently said Mayweather is the best of all time.

Theres no better fight from the last 10 years. Mayweather wanted to fight Cotto 3 years ago, it didn't happen, he wanted to fight de la hoya for a long time, it didnt happen for a long time.

the fact your butting hearns, whitacker and leonard up against Mayweather is silly. Mayweather was at his best as a Super Feather/Lightweight. there he was untouchable. He would have beat duran, and in my opinion, whitacker is hugley over rated.

i except that now people do not feel the same way as me, many in the 70s-80s said the same about Leonard. in 10 years Floyd will be in most peoples top 10s.

anyone that says hes not in the top 50 is a fool. 5 wbc titles in 5 weights!!!!

The WBA strap is intrinsicly no more important than any of the other 4 major straps these day. The real champ can have any one or more of em. For heavens sake at SMW the WBO strap is has become the premier belt or at least the hardest to attain. Fighters make the belts not the other way round.

Fighters often break their hands... what has that got to do with going down? Shit, I've never seen Calzaghe on the deck from a broken hand and he's done it several times.

You are wrong about Duran. He would have handed Mayweather a beating. Whitaker is a very underrated fighter if anything, the guy had talent to spare. Leonard and Hearns both fought far tougher opposition than mayweather ever faced.

I could see him being top 50, I could also see him not being top 50. Sorry but that doesnt make me a fool. Dont get hung up on the WBC strap.. its more important to fight the best fighter of a division, not the one that happens to have a green belt. Can you say he did that? And no, in 10 years time he will only be in the top 10 in his own mind and that of his fanboys, he didnt beat the kind of opposition that warrants top 10.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Mitchell is lookling a more solid prospect than Kahn at this stage now.

Substance is starting to out stay the hype.