Williams Deserves Credit for the Win

[BITCH ASS]

The day after Margarito lost a decision to Williams, there were countless threads bashing Margarito.

Did Margarito get destroyed? No.

Did he lose convincingly? Yes.

Was it a difficult fight to predict considering the circumstances? Yes.

First of all, Margarito didn't do as poorly as some people persist that he did. He blocked a great deal of William's shots and laid some hard shots that seemed to affect Williams. He also came out blazing in the 11th round, but Williams was just too strong and too conditioned.

However, Margarito could have taken more risks to get inside of William's punches, but how could he have known that Williams had that kind of conditioning?

Let's face it. Williams is a FREAK.

The man throws over 100 punches a round and moves all over the ring. He never seems to tire and looked like a brand new man in the 12th round. He also appears to have a good if not great chin and a hell of a lot of heart. He also has great movement.

It's possible that Williams might actually be the man to beat at 147.

Honestly, right now, only Cintron looks like he may be capable of beating Williams. And I'm basing this on Cintron's boxing ability, range, and power, ESPECIALLY HIS POWER.

Cotto could win, but it's likely that Williams will be able to hold Cotto off with his long arms and huge workrate. Cotto won't even be able to get to Williams to hurt him and when he does, Williams will tie him up.

Even Floyd would have a lot of trouble with Williams. Floyd won't be able to KO Williams, and while not every punch Williams throws will land, enough of them will for him to win a decision.

This is especially true considering his long reach and the fact that Floyd will have to be more aggressive, thereby leaving him more open, in order to get to Williams to win the fight.

When a guy throws a 100 punches a round as fast as Williams does with his range and accuracy, punches are going to land.

Is Williams ready for Floyd right now? It's debateable, but personally I would give him a fight or two before I throw him in the ring with Floyd.

The fact is though, is that Margarito is a tough fight for anybody in the division. Williams is just an athletic freak and I seriously doubt that anyone knew he would have that kind of ability.

Shit, Lampley was right when he called him a Freakaleak.

Give him props and stop dissing Margo. Margo didn't really lose any credibility for his performance in that fight.

What he did lose though was fights. Who the hell wants to fight Margarito now that he doesn't have a belt? He may very well be finished, but he's no worse of a fighter.

So ya'll chill, ya gay ass bitches..

[the_what]

I dont think WIlliams is that fast. Margarito made him look fast. Hell Margarito will make anyone have Sugar Ray type of speed. But I doubt Williams will look like that against Cotto, Mayweather or Mosley.

[BITCH ASS]

I dont think WIlliams is that fast. Margarito made him looked fast. But I doubt he will look like that against someone like Cotto, Mayweather or Mosley.

You think Cotto is faster than Williams?

Mayweather for sure, but Cotto?

I think Williams could potentially make Cotto look bad.

Cotto is really going to have stretch himself out to land hooks to Williams body, and Williams is fast enough with his foot movement and rangy with his length, that I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of missed shots from Cotto.

[Pimp C]

Williams did what he was suppose to do against an overrated limited fighter win. I'm not completly sold on Williams just yet he'll have to do more than beat a limited fighter like Margo.

[BITCH ASS]

Williams did what he was suppose to do against an overrated limited fighter win. I'm not completly sold on Williams just yet he'll have to do more than beat a limited fighter like Margo.

Nobody said Margarito wasn't limited, but the fact is that Margarito would give anyone a tough fight.

Concerning Williams though, styles make fights. Floyd wants no part of him. He probably has the best style in the welterweight division to beat Floyd. Give him a fight or two.

Floyd won't ever fight him though.

I'd rather see Floyd fight Cotto anyway.

[Fab2333]

I dont think WIlliams is that fast. Margarito made him look fast.

:good agreed here. Margarito is jus so slow that WIlliams looked xtra fast. Williams I think will have a lot of trouble with fighters who arent stationary. For one, Williams was there all night to hit, but MArgarito wasnt able to capitalize. Against more slick, and skillful boxers, those mistakes he makes will be exploited. I think Cotto, SHane, and Floyd could beat him.

[the mean machine]

The day after Margarito lost a decision to Williams, there were countless threads bashing Margarito.

Did Margarito get destroyed? No.

Did he lose convincingly? Yes.

Was it a difficult fight to predict considering the circumstances? Yes.

First of all, Margarito didn't do as poorly as some people persist that he did. He blocked a great deal of William's shots and laid some hard shots that seemed to affect Williams. He also came out blazing in the 11th round, but Williams was just too strong and too conditioned.

However, Margarito could have taken more risks to get inside of William's punches, but how could he have known that Williams had that kind of conditioning?

Let's face it. Williams is a FREAK.

The man throws over 100 punches a round and moves all over the ring. He never seems to tire and looked like a brand new man in the 12th round. He also appears to have a good if not great chin and a hell of a lot of heart. He also has great movement.

It's possible that Williams might actually be the man to beat at 147.

Honestly, right now, only Cintron looks like he may be capable of beating Williams. And I'm basing this on Cintron's boxing ability, range, and power, ESPECIALLY HIS POWER.

Cotto could win, but it's likely that Williams will be able to hold Cotto off with his long arms and huge workrate. Cotto won't even be able to get to Williams to hurt him and when he does, Williams will tie him up.

Even Floyd would have a lot of trouble with Williams. Floyd won't be able to KO Williams, and while not every punch Williams throws will land, enough of them will for him to win a decision.

This is especially true considering his long reach and the fact that Floyd will have to be more aggressive, thereby leaving him more open, in order to get to Williams to win the fight.

When a guy throws a 100 punches a round as fast as Williams does with his range and accuracy, punches are going to land.

Is Williams ready for Floyd right now? It's debateable, but personally I would give him a fight or two before I throw him in the ring with Floyd.

The fact is though, is that Margarito is a tough fight for anybody in the division. Williams is just an athletic freak and I seriously doubt that anyone knew he would have that kind of ability.

Shit, Lampley was right when he called him a Freakaleak.

Give him props and stop dissing Margo. Margo didn't really lose any credibility for his performance in that fight.

What he did lose though was fights. Who the hell wants to fight Margarito now that he doesn't have a belt? He may very well be finished, but he's no worse of a fighter.

So ya'll chill, ya gay ass bitches..


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[sues2nd]

I dont think WIlliams is that fast. Margarito made him look fast. Hell Margarito will make anyone have Sugar Ray type of speed. But I doubt Williams will look like that against Cotto, Mayweather or Mosley.

Sorry to say, Williams is alllllllllll wrong for Cotto.

He has very good speed. Cotto isnt that fast at all. He isnt going to beat Paul to the punch from the outside. Its just not going to happen.

He has a very high output and very long reach. Cotto does his best work inside and doesnt really have good defense, how much punishment do you suppose he is going to have to endure to get in there?

He has good to very good power. Cotto has a shaky chin. Cotto has been hurt by fighters with less power than Williams....tho his recovery time is amazing....and since its pretty much a given that he is going to take alot of HARD shots while trying to get inside....how could you not think this is going to be a KO victory for Williams?

I mean, please elaborate on how Cotto somehow matches up well with this guy? I just dont get it???

:huh

[Guru_Too_You]

Margarito maybe limited in boxing skills, but Gayweather is LIMITED in heart and balls. :yep

See Castillo I you fool.

[kg0208]

No one has to chill. No one is Gay ass bitches.

You dished it out before, now take it. It's as simple as that. Many of you got overzealous and the posts that followed bashing Margarito after his loss are the same thing that happen to ANY poster who pushes a guy as hard as some of the posters here did.

[BITCH ASS]

:good agreed here. Margarito is jus so slow that WIlliams looked xtra fast. Williams I think will have a lot of trouble with fighters who arent stationary. For one, Williams was there all night to hit, but MArgarito wasnt able to capitalize. Against more slick, and skillful boxers, those mistakes he makes will be exploited. I think Cotto, SHane, and Floyd could beat him.

I don't agree at all.

I think Williams put a boxing lesson on Margarito.

He threw a combination then hooked off or tied him up.

How does that equate to being stationary?

Williams looked GOOD.

[Guru_Too_You]

No one has to chill. No one is Gay ass bitches.

You dished it out before, now take it. It's as simple as that. Many of you got overzealous and the posts that followed bashing Margarito after his loss are the same thing that happen to ANY poster who pushes a guy as hard as some of the posters here did.

Amen.

[Guru_Too_You]

I don't agree at all.

I think Williams put a boxing lesson on Margarito.

He threw a combination then hooked off or tied him up.

How does that equate to being stationary?

Williams looked GOOD.

You finally ready to trust what I've been telling you about Berto's chin for the past 6 months?

[Fab2333]

I don't agree at all.

I think Williams put a boxing lesson on Margarito.

He threw a combination then hooked off or tied him up.

How does that equate to being stationary?

Williams looked GOOD.

I never said Williams looked bad. he fought good. Im just sayin he makes mistakes that could cost him against more skilled boxers

[BITCH ASS]

You finally ready to trust what I've been telling you about Berto's chin for the past 6 months?

You don't even know anything about Berto except what you heard from some other dick sucker on ESB.

Why the fuck should I trust you?

I would rather trust the bum on the street I pay to tell me where the cops are located than trust some dude on ESB that judges fighters by their popularity and status quo.

And Berto got hit by a perfect punch and recovered nicely.

Even if it does turn out to be true about his chin, you can't question his heart and determination. Everybody is talking shit, but he was centerstage on the biggest stage of his life, and everyone was looking for a KO.

If he didn't get one the haters would show up. And wouldn't you know it, here they are.

[Guru_Too_You]

You don't even know anything about Berto except what you heard from some other dick sucker on ESB.

Why the fuck should I trust you?

I would rather trust the bum on the street I pay to tell me where the cops are located than trust some dude on ESB that judges fighters by their popularity and status quo.

And Berto got hit by a perfect punch and recovered nicely.

Even if it does turn out to be true about his chin, you can't question his heart and determination. Everybody is talking shit, but he was centerstage on the biggest stage of his life, and everyone was looking for a KO.

If he didn't get one the haters would show up. And wouldn't you know it, here they are.

It didnt come from ESB asswipe, it came from the gyms and fighters I've spoken with who have trained and sparred with him.

Get a grip and face the facts.

[BITCH ASS]

It didnt come from ESB asswipe, it came from the gyms and fighters I've spoken with who have trained and sparred with him.

Get a grip and face the facts.

What?

So now you're a millionaire too that travels the US sparring with top pro fighters and trainers?

You don't have a fuckin job?

How the fuck you go to Haiti?

[kg0208]

I did, you imbecile, and that is one of the reasons I posted what I did. :patsch

You think that fighting with a torn rotator cuff and broken ribs means he has no heart and no balls? Not to mention giving an immediate rematch to the guy who gave him the toughest fight of his career? How does that add up?

[Guru_Too_You]

What?

So now you're a millionaire too that travels the US sparring with top pro fighters and trainers?

You don't have a fuckin job?

How the fuck you go to Haiti?

Well lets see, novice. Sparring partners travel. Stories travel. Especially when there is a fighter being hyped up to the proportions that Berto has. I've heard several different accounts of two separate times that he was dropped by different sparring partners.

I've been telling you this for month after month and you didnt believe me.

Now, when he's dropped on national television by a guy who couldnt last two minutes with Judah, another fighter known for not having the best of chins, you start throwing insults at me.

FACE THE FACTS.

[Guru_Too_You]

An immediate rematch in which he knew what to expect (another beating) so he runs around the ring and stinks out the joint. Yep, I see your point. It sure takes a lot of H&B to do that. :roll:

Definitely a man who has never had the balls to step foot in the ring himself.

I'd bet my life on it.

[BITCH ASS]

Well lets see, novice. Sparring partners travel. Stories travel. Especially when there is a fighter being hyped up to the proportions that Berto has. I've heard several different accounts of two separate times that he was dropped by different sparring partners.

I've been telling you this for month after month and you didnt believe me.

Now, when he's dropped on national television by a guy who couldnt last two minutes with Judah, another fighter known for not having the best of chins, you start throwing insults at me.

FACE THE FACTS.

Yeah man, I hang out with Mike Tyson and spar with Zab Judah.

[Guru_Too_You]

Yeah man, I hang out with Mike Tyson and spar with Zab Judah.

You're an idiot. Go hang out at a real boxing gym sometime. You might learn a thing or two about boxing culture.

Who do you think Berto was sparring on his way up? You think that he started with the elites? Have you ever heard of people who try to make ends meet or earn a living by providing sparring services? They travel too.

Like I said, you cant face the facts because they werent reported by some boxing site. You know where boxing sites get their information? Hmmmm, maybe from the people you ACTUALLY find in a gym.

[BITCH ASS]

You're an idiot. Go hang out at a real boxing gym sometime. You might learn a thing or two about boxing culture.

Who do you think Berto was sparring on his way up? You think that he started with the elites? Have you ever heard of people who try to make ends meet or earn a living by providing sparring services? They travel too.

Like I said, you cant face the facts because they werent reported by some boxing site. You know where boxing sites get their information? Hmmmm, maybe from the people you ACTUALLY find in a gym.

Didn't you say you were from Boston?

Berto trains in Florida fool.

Like I said, I'd rather trust that cop findin bum than some dude on the internet that posts pics of his girl as his avatar.

[BITCH ASS]

How far along was Zab in his career when he fought him?

Ask Guru. Guru sparred with Zab.

[Guru_Too_You]

How far along was Zab in his career when he fought him?

It was a tune up after the first Spinks bout.

And I know where youre going with this, but a glass chin is a glass chin.

[Guru_Too_You]

its called letting your defense go, being over anxious and getting caught..

nothing indicating he had a GLASS CHIN..he would have been KO'd then..

Fine, shaky whiskers. We can split hairs here, but against a big puncher its lights out.

And you dont have to tell me, I was ringside.

[Sonny Carson]

If you've seen Williams in other fights you would know he is fast.

[Bazooka]

Of course he deserves credit not just for the win but for fighting the fight he fought he could have easily stayed on the outside and won that way, Not only the way he fought or for his win, but for taking a fight with a man that none of the top welters wanted. Big ups to Paul for showing some balls.

[Wilhelm]

It was a fight between the two most overrated fighters out there today, and so until Williams fights someone like Cotto or Clottey or Mosley, he's going to stay overrated. He deserves credit for beating a very limited but tough guy, but if you're looking for him to be called a world beater because of it, don't hold your breath.

[Ramshall1]

only an idiot doesnt give PW credit for his performance. . . AM deserves credit too. . . that was a helluva entertaining fight - much better than DLH-FMJ, Taylor-Spinks, Hops-Winky.

[Jinx]

Williams is a bad style matchup for Mosley and Cotto...Cintron/Williams would be a tight one until the end, and i don't see that one going the distance...

[kg0208]

An immediate rematch in which he knew what to expect (another beating) so he runs around the ring and stinks out the joint. Yep, I see your point. It sure takes a lot of H&B to do that. :roll:

He stinks out the joint by outlanding his opponent. Interesting. Lets see....lets say PBF DID run (he didn't, but if I say he didn't you'll just say he did, so this is easier). Shouldn't Castillo have adjusted to this and cut off the ring? Uh huh....yah.

Noticed you didn't address how he has no heart when he fought with those ailments in the ring in the first fight. I assume you think Castillo has a ton of heart?

[1lehudson]

Williams has the tools to beat anyone at 147, but his style is all wrong to beat certain fighters. The one dimensional fighters will have problems with Williams, that would include Cotto.

As far as Margo goes, well capfund i have to say that it was a pretty easy fight to predict as many did so. It was the Floyd bashers that tried to will Margo to greatness, his in ring status wasnt nearly what his out of ring hype would lead you to think, all due to the fact that he was suppose to be the Mayweather-stopper. Fights with the very average Santos his near lost to Clottey would have told us that well maybe this guys isnt what he is being hyped to be. Or the fact that he went 10 really tough rounds with Antonio Diaz two years after Shane toyed with him and knocked him down what seems like every round and stopped him in six would say that maybe he isnt on that level.

No the evidence was there that maybe Tony was mostly overrated, but anyone that said it was labeled a Floyd nuthugger.

[Ramshall1]

He stinks out the joint by outlanding his opponent. Interesting. Lets see....lets say PBF DID run (he didn't, but if I say he didn't you'll just say he did, so this is easier). Shouldn't Castillo have adjusted to this and cut off the ring? Uh huh....yah.

Noticed you didn't address how he has no heart when he fought with those ailments in the ring in the first fight. I assume you think Castillo has a ton of heart?

boxing has it wrong by rewarding running with wins. . . see Hops shiitty "win" over Winky. Runners should not have an advantage.

[1lehudson]

boxing has it wrong by rewarding running with wins. . . see Hops shiitty "win" over Winky. Runners should not have an advantage.:patsch

[Ramshall1]

:patsch

great contribution. :roll:

[kg0208]

boxing has it wrong by rewarding running with wins. . . see Hops shiitty "win" over Winky. Runners should not have an advantage.

Guys who are simply stronger or are weight draining to make weight when they belong a weight class up should not have an advantage either. You don't outland your opponent if you are not in range to hit him. Thats physics. If he is in range to hit you, you are in range to hit him. Defense is part of the scoring system. And it should be....entertainment has nothing to do with winning.

And you know what, I simply don't agree with you that PBF runs. Spinks is a runner. They fight nothing alike. And considering that you only post negative about him, its impossible to have a cordial conversation with you about him.

[kg0208]

great contribution. :roll:

It's better than you "PBF runs" in every thread.

How is he outlanding his opponents if he is always running out of their range? Does he teleport in? Seriously....explain it.

[Bazooka]

It's better than you "PBF runs" in every thread.

How is he outlanding his opponents if he is always running out of their range? Does he teleport in? Seriously....explain it.

Nah! he pays HBO to kiss his ass on the air

[kg0208]

Nah! he pays HBO to kiss his ass on the air

Hey Bazooka, don't BS. I won't fall for it. Merchant notoriously hates PBF and never kisses his ass. So thats not true at all. Answer the question.

[BITCH ASS]

Williams has the tools to beat anyone at 147, but his style is all wrong to beat certain fighters. The one dimensional fighters will have problems with Williams, that would include Cotto.

As far as Margo goes, well capfund i have to say that it was a pretty easy fight to predict as many did so. It was the Floyd bashers that tried to will Margo to greatness, his in ring status wasnt nearly what his out of ring hype would lead you to think, all due to the fact that he was suppose to be the Mayweather-stopper. Fights with the very average Santos his near lost to Clottey would have told us that well maybe this guys isnt what he is being hyped to be. Or the fact that he went 10 really tough rounds with Antonio Diaz two years after Shane toyed with him and knocked him down what seems like every round and stopped him in six would say that maybe he isnt on that level.

No the evidence was there that maybe Tony was mostly overrated, but anyone that said it was labeled a Floyd nuthugger.

How in the fuck can you form an opinion from the Clottey or Santos fight?

Those are two COMPLETELY different fighters than Williams.

Sounds like it was easy to predict because you just wanted Margo to win because he was "limited."

Hudson, analyze Margo's style. "Limited."

Okay............

[kg0208]

Castillo tried to cut off the ring, but couldn't. No shame in that. A lot of good fighters can't cut off the ring on certain opponents. How many opponents have cut off Spinks? Don't tell me Judah because Spinks decided to stick around and bang with Judah. He got caught.

He had a torn rotar cuff and broken ribs? I assume you were there personally and YOU confirmed this, right Doc? Everytime a fighter loses he has an excuse.

I don't assume Castillo has heart. He's proven it throughout his career. I don't think you need me to list his resume, do you? Besides, do you honestly believe that Castillo would have turned down $8,000,000.00 to fight a limited clubfighter, unlike Mr. P4P himself?

One last thing. People are ragging on Margarito and Arum for proclaiming Margarito to be the "most feared man in boxing." Why are these same people, including yourself, not ragging on Gayweather for proclaiming himself to be the greatest-of-all-time when he has yet to prove it. He has ton of opponents to prove all his doubters and haters wrong. The list: Mosley, Williams, Clottey, Margarito, Cintron, Cotto, Forrest, and Alcine or whatever that new champ's name is at '54. Uh huh, yah, let the excuses begin.
I don't need to confirm anything by being there. You and I alike, as well as all others here take reports from people in the boxing business as fact as they certainly are closer to the story than we are. You are taking the Margarito offer to PBF of 8 million as fact, yet you were never at a negotiatiing table. So that is a stupid argument.

If Castillo is considered to have heart by you and PBF isn't, explain to me why he was unable to continue with an injury in the Hatton fight that PBF was able to continue with? Your not liking PBF doesn't equate to his not having heart or balls. Anyone steps in that ring has those things. PBF has fought with injuries in a sport where it's more dangerous than ever to do so. That's heart.

Castillo could not cut off the ring because PBF had better footwork than he did. He was quicker and decided to use this to his advantage. You not liking the style certainly doesn't disqualify it's use.

Your last point has the least merit. Where in this conversation has the point that PBF believes he is the greatest of all time come up? Since it hasn't, why would I rag on him for it in this thread? You should not presume to know anyones position on anything. I have stated a dozen times that PBF isn't even in my top 30 all time much less the greatest ever. And I have also said it was very disrespectful of him to proclaim himself so....nor do I think he is capable of being the greatest of all time. You mistake me for a PBF fan.....when in reality I just take issue with extremists on either side of the equation. You happen to be one.

[Ramshall1]

It's better than you "PBF runs" in every thread.

How is he outlanding his opponents if he is always running out of their range? Does he teleport in? Seriously....explain it.

its called pitter pat, pot shot, one punch at a time and run. . . he's a boring boxer, thats why he needs his opponants to be the draw. . . cause he refuses to take the risks needed to become a draw himself.