Lord of the Manor of Brighton Chris Eubank vs Jake LaMotta [Archive]

cross_trainer

07-31-2007, 04:48 PM

Allow me to summarize in advance:

Most people will pick LaMotta. This will be a grave insult to modern and British boxers, and further proof that the Classic section has no idea what it's talking about. Especially about Willy Pep, who you can beat. Everyone leaves in a huff.

The End.

(:D)

bigG

07-31-2007, 04:53 PM

eubank would be la mottas worst nightmare....benn couldnt stop him, he has too good a chin, he is way to cute and wouldnt let himself be drawn into a barn burner.....eubank by wide points decision.....mmm benn vs la motta would be a ******* tho??

mcvey

07-31-2007, 04:54 PM

Who takes it -question mark-
Eubanks liked to fight in spurts ,totalling about a minute a round against Jake he wouldnt be able to breathe,Lamotta runs him out of gas to take a decision,Eubanks had a good chin but didnt care for body shots ,Jake would give him plenty of those,Lamotta by dec (9-6]

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 04:56 PM

This isn't as clear cut as Calzaghe beating Robinson -fullstop- I see Eubanks using his counter-punching skills to take a UD though -fullstop-

McGrain

07-31-2007, 04:57 PM

Well allow me to buck the expected trend - though CT is right of course - and pick Eubank. I been watching him lately and I think at absolute peak he gives anybody trouble. I think he is a very good package and you must be able to outfight AND outthink him to win...so no one dimensional - which, with all due respect, is what LaMotta is - will EVER beat him at absolute peak.

Eubank in a hard decision after which he is never the same.

Langford KO Roy Jones 12.

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 05:05 PM

McGrain

07-31-2007, 05:10 PM

Do you consider Christopher an underachiver -questionmark-

In a way. I think the lights went out inside him for a variety of reasons, namely Watson and Benn. But hard fights do tend to take it out of you, that's part of being a boxer.

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 05:17 PM

I would love to have see Hopkins vs Eubank, too smart fighters - I believe both benifited from starting boxing really seriously at a late-ish age -fullstop- Who would you favour in that match-up -questionmark-

McGrain

07-31-2007, 05:23 PM

I would love to have see Hopkins vs Eubank, too smart fighters - I believe both benifited from starting boxing seriously at a late-ish age -fullstop- Who would you favour in that match-up -questionmark-

That fight would not go down well in the general forum...i'd pick Hopkins on points. I personally do not see it as possible to out-coubnter Hopkins, nor is it possible, in my view, to control the pace against him.

Outdone in both of these areas, Eubank has little hope, almost none.

UD 12.

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 05:24 PM

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 05:25 PM

That fight would not go down well in the general forum...i'd pick Hopkins on points. I personally do not see it as possible to out-coubnter Hopkins, nor is it possible, in my view, to control the pace against him.

Outdone in both of these areas, Eubank has little hope, almost none.

UD 12.I agree with that -fullstop- Except I think Joe Calzaghe could control the pace against him -fullstop- I'd go with Hopkins over Eubanks too though, would be a great fight to watch though, even if Hopkins slowed the action -fullstop-

McGrain

07-31-2007, 05:28 PM

I agree with that -fullstop- Except I think Joe Calzaghe could control the pace against him -fullstop- I'd go with Hopkins over Eubanks too though, would be a great fight to watch though, even if Hopkins slowed the action -fullstop-

Joe can be drawn, but not held back (in the early rounds) so you may be onto something. I do feel that Cal could be made to fight at to fast a pace - LaMotta is a better fit for Joe stylistically.

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 05:34 PM

LaMotta only real chance (a small real chance though) would be against the 1st prime version (wilder, less disiplined) Calzaghe, I see 2nd prime Calzaghe schooling LaMotta -fullstop-

McGrain

07-31-2007, 05:39 PM

LaMotta only real chance (a small real chance though) would be against the 1st prime version (wilder, less disiplined) Calzaghe, I see 2nd prime Calzaghe schooling LaMotta -fullstop-

Allowing for the fact that much of what Cal needs to beat LaMotta is unproven, i'd probably still pick him...but it is inevitable that Jake takes over/scores a TKO at some point...the only question is, how many rounds? I would guess at a number higher than fifteen.

cross_trainer

07-31-2007, 06:21 PM

Who are you picking pal -questionmark- We've only had one non-Brit so far -fullstop-

It's a close fight. LaMotta in the end achieved more, and that has to count for something. Beating Cerdan and Robinson for the middleweight title is better than Eubank's beating Benn and holding the WBO title in middle and supermiddle. Especially as a result of Eubank's caution, I'd go with LaMotta.

To make you happy, though:

Turpin would beat LaMotta. If Calzaghe beats Kessler, he would also beat LaMotta at supermiddleweight, and I would give him a much better chance vs. Robinson at that weight. Tom Cribb would beat Tyson under London Prize Ring Rules. So would most of the (British) bareknuckle champions.

Are you happy now? ;)

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 06:48 PM

It's a close fight. LaMotta in the end achieved more, and that has to count for something. Beating Cerdan and Robinson for the middleweight title is better than Eubank's beating Benn and holding the WBO title in middle and supermiddle. Especially as a result of Eubank's caution, I'd go with LaMotta.

To make you happy, though:

Turpin would beat LaMotta. If Calzaghe beats Kessler, he would also beat LaMotta at supermiddleweight, and I would give him a much better chance vs. Robinson at that weight. Tom Cribb would beat Tyson under London Prize Ring Rules. So would most of the (British) bareknuckle champions.

Are you happy now? ;)Calzaghe probably can't beat Kessler -fullstop- Joe is old now, his reflexes faded and Kessler is one of the best super-orthodox boxers I have ever seen -fullstop- It is foolish to even talking about Calzaghe beating Kessler -fullstop- (I'm not that keen on British fighters by the way - they are generally rubbish)

cross_trainer

07-31-2007, 06:58 PM

Calzaghe probably can't beat Kessler -fullstop- Joe is old now, his reflexes faded and Kessler is one of the best super-orthodox boxers I have ever seen -fullstop- It is foolish to even talking about Calzaghe beating Kessler -fullstop- (I'm not that keen on British fighters by the way - they are generally rubbish)

Surely Calzaghe's superhuman abilities will save him?

China_hand_Joe

07-31-2007, 07:00 PM

He is only one of the top 10 best boxers of all time - not the sportsman of the century, if he wins then I have severerly under-rated Joe Calzaghe -fullstop-

McGrain

07-31-2007, 07:13 PM

Surely Calzaghe's superhuman abilities will save him?

Please try not to tee him up in this fashion in the future please boss.

Bummy Davis

07-31-2007, 07:16 PM

Lamotta by Ko

China_hand_Joe

08-01-2007, 08:57 AM

Joe Calzaghe as an ATG? He's probably not in my top 1000

The kid hasn't fought anyone. He is a disgrace to boxingList 100 fighters greater than Joe Calzaghe, you probably can't list 10 -fullstop-

Decebal

08-01-2007, 09:12 AM

I predict the following:

1. This one will be a very popular poll.
2. Manfredo will knock Joe from the number one spot, after their rematch.

McGrain

08-01-2007, 09:16 AM

He is a disgrace to boxing

:lol:

This is probably a bit harsh.

McGrain

08-01-2007, 09:17 AM

List 100 fighters greater than Joe Calzaghe, you probably can't list 10 -fullstop-

It would be no problem to list a hundred GREATER.

bigG

08-01-2007, 12:17 PM

once joe easily handles kessler will you guys give him some credit...

McGrain

08-01-2007, 12:20 PM

once joe easily handles kessler will you guys give him some credit...

He already gets credit.

If he handles Kessler as you say, folks will have some thinking to do.

Decebal

08-01-2007, 12:26 PM

He already gets credit.

If he handles Kessler as you say, folks will have some thinking to do.

I truly respect Joe for doing the right thing and taking this fight. If he wins, I'm going to become a big fan. If he then again fights the best out there available to him, I will become as big a fan as any here!

McGrain

08-01-2007, 12:28 PM

I truly respect Joe for doing the right thing and taking this fight. If he wins, I'm going to become a big fan. If he then again fights the best out there available to him, I will become as big a fan as any here!

Personally, I'll find it hard to forgive the years of nobodies. Manfredo was an afront to the sport. That kind of "exposure" fight is fine for a first strap defence but at that point in Joe's career...poor.

bigG

08-01-2007, 12:40 PM

Who's Kessler? And who's Kessler fought?

It's Calzaghe's own fault that there's nobody left to fight. He's been calling out everyone for 14 years and not ONE fight has been made, it doesn't add up.

thats my point....i dont think kessler's the bogeyman...but loads of people over on the general boxing forum seem to think he is some awesome superpower, unbeaten and unbeatable.....joe calzaghe only made me a believer when he whupped lacey..now everyone says he was overrated...lacey was the next big thing and joe gave a masterclass.....i think calzaghe is, essentially, a lazy fighter..he fights to the level, or perceived level, of his opposition...hence his sleepwalking against some of his lesser foes.....he sees kessler as a big threat..i hope..and as a result will handle this kid...easily..you heard it here ok!!...joe goes on to fight froch, woods, jones jr and hopkins.....then retires a happy bunny....ps.froch is only on that list cos he cant keep his mouth shut bout beating joe....

cross_trainer

08-01-2007, 01:17 PM

List 100 fighters greater than Joe Calzaghe, you probably can't list 10 -fullstop-

It's impossible to list ten PEOPLE greater than Joe Calzaghe.

Decebal

08-01-2007, 01:27 PM

It's impossible to list ten PEOPLE greater than Joe Calzaghe.

Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, Beethoven, Dostoevski, Kant, Einstein...emmm....:patsch ...no....can't think of a tenth...:-(

McGrain

08-01-2007, 01:31 PM

Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, Beethoven, Dostoevski, Kant, Einstein...emmm....:patsch ...no....can't think of a tenth...:-(

Longcount.

Decebal

08-01-2007, 01:33 PM

Longcount.

:happy :happy :happy ...I knew I didn't put any Old Masters in...

cross_trainer

08-01-2007, 01:34 PM

Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, Beethoven, Dostoevski, Kant, Einstein...emmm....:patsch ...no....can't think of a tenth...:-(

I'm with you on most of them, but Einstein? Well, I suppose if you're into physics he's an OK shout-out, but does E=MC2 REALLY mean that much compared to Calzaghe's slapfighting brilliance? Think hard about it.

Decebal

08-01-2007, 01:42 PM

I'm with you on most of them, but Einstein? Well, I suppose if you're into physics he's an OK shout-out, but does E=MC2 REALLY mean that much compared to Calzaghe's slapfighting brilliance? Think hard about it.

:oops: :sad2