View Full Version : Rashad Evans can be UFC Heavyweight Champion easily
Mike W
09-20-2008, 03:27 PM
yeah, i knew this for a long time. Rashad Evans always does enough to win his fights. I remember i read the Sherdog predictons for his fight against Chuck Liddell. About 20 guys picked Chuck to win and only 2 or 3 picked Rashad to win. I knew Rashad was going to win. He'll beat Forrest Griffen to win the UFC Lightheavyweight title easily.
I think Rashad Evans beating Nogueira and even Fedor is realistic now
The dipper
09-20-2008, 03:59 PM
Rashad Evan is under estimated,the guy seems to just hold back untill he is attacked then is dangerous,trouble is if a fighter doesnt "bring it" Rashad Evans starts to pose and can be a bit boring
Evans is a hard fighter to beat, he has a sweet left hook
Polymath
09-20-2008, 04:00 PM
No he cant Mike.
Mike W
09-20-2008, 04:03 PM
No he cant Mike.
Rashad beat Stephan Bonnar, Michael Bisping and Sam Hoger, and he still hasn't lost an MMA fight yet
Polymath
09-20-2008, 04:12 PM
Rashad beat Stephan Bonnar, Michael Bisping and Sam Hoger, and he still hasn't lost an MMA fight yet
Are those guys near being heaveyweight Champ Mike?
The dipper
09-20-2008, 04:14 PM
Are those guys near being heaveyweight Champ Mike?
yes they are
The UFC HWs are not very good
Polymath
09-20-2008, 04:15 PM
yes they are
The UFC HWs are not very good
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The dipper
09-20-2008, 04:16 PM
Rashad can own the UFC HWs
Mike W
09-20-2008, 04:16 PM
Are those guys near being heaveyweight Champ Mike?
no, those guys i mentioned are not top ranked fighters. But Rashad beat them all by decision. He can beat Fedor or Nogueira by decision as well. Rashad just keeps getting better and always does enough to win. He only has one draw against Tito Ortiz, but no losses on his MMA career
Polymath
09-20-2008, 04:36 PM
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The dipper
09-20-2008, 04:37 PM
no, those guys i mentioned are not top ranked fighters. But Rashad beat them all by decision. He can beat Fedor or Nogueira by decision as well. Rashad just keeps getting better and always does enough to win. He only has one draw against Tito Ortiz, but no losses on his MMA career
Rashad has nothing to fear from UFC HWs but Fedor will beat Rashad,come on man
Nog is past it,so Rashad has a good chance there
El Puma
09-20-2008, 04:38 PM
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jimmie
09-20-2008, 04:46 PM
How exactly would he beat Werdum,Couture,Nogueira,Gonzaga,Lesnar hell im not sure he beats Herring. Hes just to small for that divison he almost looks small for 205.
Mike W
09-20-2008, 04:57 PM
How exactly would he beat Werdum,Couture,Nogueira,Gonzaga,Lesnar hell im not sure he beats Herring. Hes just to small for that divison he almost looks small for 205.
Rashad fought at HW during the Ultimate Fighter season 2 and he beat Stephan Bonnar who is 6'4 and Brad Imes who is 6'7. He would take them down and ground and pound them or throw punches and find a way to win by decision. Rashad is like Kevin Randleman, but he's a smarter fighter
The dipper
09-20-2008, 04:57 PM
How exactly would he beat Werdum,Couture,Nogueira,Gonzaga,Lesnar hell im not sure he beats Herring. Hes just to small for that divison he almost looks small for 205.
Couture is a small HW
fair enough, Couture is a one off,but hey! Rashad just keeps winning
Rashad could win the UFC HW belt
(lets be honest ,the UFC HWs are nothing special)
as for Lesnar,he would be the most likely to beat Rashad on your list Jimmie,but the rest... Randy is old,Gonzaga is a goon,Nog is past it ect,Rashad can be a top player in the UFC HW division
Wow, I thought for a second I logged on to shitdo.....I mean sherdog, thankfull Poly and jimmie are on the spot to tell this guy whats up. Thanks guys. This thread is as near stupid as you can get, I understand he is entitled to his opinion but when it is this far out of wack and he offers NO reasons to back his statement, I can't stand it. What went so wrong in ones life to be so twisted in the head to be thinking like this guy? I really wonder sometimes.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Wow, I thought for a second I logged on to shitdo.....I mean sherdog, thankfull Poly and jimmie are on the spot to tell this guy whats up. Thanks guys. This thread is as near stupid as you can get, I understand he is entitled to his opinion but when it is this far out of wack and he offers NO reasons to back his statement, I can't stand it. What went so wrong in ones life to be so twisted in the head to be thinking like this guy? I really wonder sometimes.
why is Rashad unbeaten ?
why did Rashad KO Chuck Liddel ? i mean the so called GREAT of the UFC Randy Couture got iced by Liddel
btw
If you dislike a fighter makes no difference to the result IMO
Rashad is a winner,check the stats!
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:13 PM
Wow, I thought for a second I logged on to shitdo.....I mean sherdog
Rashad is hated on sherdog
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Couture is a small HW
fair enough, Couture is a one off,but hey! Rashad just keeps winning
Rashad could win the UFC HW belt
(lets be honest ,the UFC HWs are nothing special)
as for Lesnar,he would be the most likely to beat Rashad on your list Jimmie,but the rest... Randy is old,Gonzaga is a goon,Nog is past it ect,Rashad can be a top player in the UFC HW division
Randys old but can still fight and isnt that what MMA is about ? Gonzaga is a goon :huh The only weakness this guy even has is heart but if he gets going early he can beat almost anyone. He has good leg kicks and obviously a head kick id say ask Cro Cop but he cant remember but just ask Couture how his arm got broke,Gonzaga has good takedowns watch him catch Cro Cops bodykick and take him down right away his GNP is solid and the man has incredible BJJ skills hes a world champion but maybe you didnt know that. Nog is past it and your point is what exactly ? Hes still one of the greatest fighters out there what exactly is Rashad going to do takedown him down and hug ? Ahh no he will be triangled so fast his dumbass wife will be to shocked to scream her ass off.
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:21 PM
Rashad fought at HW during the Ultimate Fighter season 2 and he beat Stephan Bonnar who is 6'4 and Brad Imes who is 6'7. He would take them down and ground and pound them or throw punches and find a way to win by decision. Rashad is like Kevin Randleman, but he's a smarter fighter
First off Brad Imes is big but he sucks let Rashad try to do it to a good big guy like Tim Sylvia. Bonnar is 6'4 and hes a Light Heavyweight so your Bonnar thing is pointless. Rashad isnt nearly the wrestler Kevin Randleman is and saying hes smarter is like saying Chuck hits harder p4p then Nick Diaz.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:23 PM
Time will reveal all
and sort the wise from the fools
btw
Rashad Evans UFC HW champ has a nice ring to it,dont you think Jimmie ?
cdnboxing
09-20-2008, 05:24 PM
Rashad has about as much of a chance as beating the premier MMA heavyweights as me beating Bob Sapp in an armwrestle.
Rashad just beat Liddell. CHUCK LIDDELL. A guy whos lost 3 of his last 4 fights. And I dont think you could lose those 3 fights in more embarrassing fashion than the way he lost them.
Rashad is a solid fighter but guys at heavyweight are so MUCH bigger, stronger than any LHW's. It honestly makes a huge difference.
Mike W
09-20-2008, 05:26 PM
First off Brad Imes is big but he sucks let Rashad try to do it to a good big guy like Tim Sylvia. Bonnar is 6'4 and hes a Light Heavyweight so your Bonnar thing is pointless. Rashad isnt nearly the wrestler Kevin Randleman is and saying hes smarter is like saying Chuck hits harder p4p then Nick Diaz.
People say Rashad is small for a HW. He's listed at 5'10 or 5'11, but i don't think height will be a problem for him. Even if he is smaller, he's quicker than those bigger HWs. Fedor is listed at 6' or 6'1, and he's not that tall either for a HW.
Tim Sylvia is a tough guy, but i think Rashad has a chance to beat him. He'd probbaly take him down like Randy Couture did
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:26 PM
guys at heavyweight are so MUCH bigger, stronger than any LHW's. It honestly makes a huge difference.
bigger,fatter,more sloth like,such things sure do make a huge difference
Agreed
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:27 PM
Nog is past it and your point is what exactly ? Hes still one of the greatest fighters out there what exactly is Rashad going to do takedown him down and hug ? Ahh no he will be triangled so fast his dumbass wife will be to shocked to scream her ass off.
Nog is crippled with injury and is not the same fighter
cant you even see that ?
Polymath
09-20-2008, 05:28 PM
bigger,fatter,more sloth like,such things sure do make a huge difference
Agreed
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jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:28 PM
Time will reveal all
and sort the wise from the fools
btw
Rashad Evans UFC HW champ has a nice ring to it,dont you think Jimmie ?
No it doesnt infact Evans holding any belt has no appeal to me at all. Let him try and win the 205 belt first. Griffin is the Champ for a reason and it feels weird me saying this but at this point hes much better then Chuck Liddell is because Forrest Griffin has no real weaknesses exept for possibly his chin. I doubt Forrest will chase Evans around throwing a arm punch uppercut with his left down at his waist. Forrest will keep working and working.
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:30 PM
People say Rashad is small for a HW. He's listed at 5'10 or 5'11, but i don't think height will be a problem for him. Even if he is smaller, he's quicker than those bigger HWs. Fedor is listed at 6' or 6'1, and he's not that tall either for a HW.
Tim Sylvia is a tough guy, but i think Rashad has a chance to beat him. He'd probbaly take him down like Randy Couture did
Rashad has yet to show he can set his takedowns up with punches and leg kicks like Randy Couture has. Its not about height man its about the bone structure I cant see Fedor making 205 but Rashad looks like he could almost make 185 hes just a smaller man. Kendall Grove is like 6'8 does that mean he can kick everyone in the Heavyweight divisons ass ?
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:33 PM
Nog is crippled with injury and is not the same fighter
cant you even see that ?
How exactly is he crippled ? Hes competed his entire career with the rib and liver thing so now its finally creeping up on him and making him crippled ? What the fuck is your defintion of crippled because he still seems to get around fine by me. Last time I checked hes still doing damn well in fights his only loss in the last few years is a close one to Josh Barnett that he avenged.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:34 PM
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fair enough,I would pick Lesnar to beat Rashad but Rashad can sure compete and maybe win even against Lesnar,the rest of the UFC HWs Evans could beat any of them
People on this thread are making Rashad out to be a can,it is like talking to 5 year olds around here
Mike W
09-20-2008, 05:35 PM
Rashad has yet to show he can set his takedowns up with punches and leg kicks like Randy Couture has. Its not about height man its about the bone structure I cant see Fedor making 205 but Rashad looks like he could almost make 185 hes just a smaller man. Kendall Grove is like 6'8 does that mean he can kick everyone in the Heavyweight divisons ass ?
Kendall Grove is 6'6 and fights at 185. He has the potential to be the best at 185 and beat some of the best fighters there such as Rich Franklin or Paolo Filho, and i think he can beat some of the top fighters at 205 and even at HW. He just needs to work more on his sprawl.
I remember one time Rashad weighed in at 227 during TUF season 1, so i don't think he can make it to 185. I think he is strong enough to fight at HW again. He picked up Stephan Bonnar and slammed him
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:36 PM
How exactly is he crippled ? Hes competed his entire career with the rib and liver thing so now its finally creeping up on him and making him crippled ? What the fuck is your defintion of crippled because he still seems to get around fine by me. Last time I checked hes still doing damn well in fights his only loss in the last few years is a close one to Josh Barnett that he avenged.
Nog has chronic pain in his joints,in world class fighting terms the guy is crippled with injury,its not rocket science
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:37 PM
fair enough,I would pick Lesnar to beat Rashad but Rashad can sure compete and maybe win even against Lesnar,the rest of the UFC HWs Evans could beat any of them
People on this thread are making Rashad out to be a can,it is like talking to 5 year olds around here
Hes not even close to a can hes a fine fighter but hes not some sort of god. Aside from the 1 shot KOs over Salmon and Liddell hes never displayed any real good striking he just goes in there and trys his best Joe Fraizer imitation. Hes not a Heavyweight and thats what your dumbass needs to see hes a small Light Heavyweight how are we suppose to expect him to trash good Heavyweight fighters. He will get outworked by Forrest Griffin.
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Nog has chronic pain in his joints,in world class fighting terms the guy is crippled with injury,its not rocket science
Thats called injury theres nothing about him that shows a crippled man. Hes dealing with tough shit but guess what many MANY almost all fighters go into fights with some sort of injury some extremly dangerous. Its apart of MMA you train and fight hurt I seriously doubt you do MMA so you dont know.
cdnboxing
09-20-2008, 05:40 PM
bigger,fatter,more sloth like,such things sure do make a huge difference
Agreed
Tell that to Tim Sylvia who holds wins over some of the best heavyweights in the sport.
The bottom line is yeah most of them are slow, uncoordinated but they are STRONG, POWERFUL especially compared to a LHW. Just look at Brandon Vera who moved down because of this exact reason. Beating BRad Imes is not an accomplishment. Imes flat out stinks. Evans wont be able to beat any top 15 HW in the world.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 05:41 PM
Hes not even close to a can hes a fine fighter but hes not some sort of god. Aside from the 1 shot KOs over Salmon and Liddell hes never displayed any real good striking he just goes in there and trys his best Joe Fraizer imitation. Hes not a Heavyweight and thats what your dumbass needs to see hes a small Light Heavyweight how are we suppose to expect him to trash good Heavyweight fighters. He will get outworked by Forrest Griffin.
watch Rashad close,real close up,the guy has a sweet left hook
better than anything in the UFC HW division
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:43 PM
watch Rashad close,real close up,the guy has a sweet left hook
better than anything in the UFC HW division
Well I dont wanna argue but I aint seen much of a left hook but maybe I aint looked hard enough. I got a few Evans fights on tape/dvd when I have time ill look for this that said im not sure of any Heavyweights then have a real good left hook though.
québecwarrior
09-20-2008, 07:17 PM
Evans ain't gonna beat Griffin,a LHW, let alone the Heavyweight champion
I nominate this worst thread of the month.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 09:01 PM
Rashad is sure hated
by the mindless mob
billyconn
09-20-2008, 11:40 PM
I think Rashad should stay at LHW. And he'll do quite well.
I don't think he could beat someone like Shane Carwin at HWT.
Rashad is sure hated
by the mindless mob
No. He's just not going to be heavyweight champion. I can list a half a hundred reasons why, but it's not worth the time. Beating Brad Imes to win heavyweight TUF isn't enough to tell me he's going to get past some of the amazing submission fighters in the heavyweight division: Nog, Werdum, even Mir. I think he'd have problems with Gonzaga, too.
Beebs
09-21-2008, 02:22 AM
Mike W, most successful troll in ESB history?
Mike W, most successful troll in ESB history?
Depends on your definition of successful :rofl
BewareofDawg
09-22-2008, 08:47 AM
Now he can beat Fedor and Nogueira???? I don't even think he could beat Anderson Silva! And here another guy he COULDN'T beat:
TITO ORTIZ!!!
berserkafied
09-22-2008, 10:08 AM
I don't think so mate! The Heavy Weights might not be the greatest division in MMA, but Rashad ain't the greatest fighter in MMA either! - Let's see how he does at LHW first (seeing as he is yet to become the champ) and then we can start talking about moving up!
boxingcar
09-22-2008, 01:42 PM
You know , Rashad landed a fantastic punch in his latest fight. I don't think Liddell has ever been brutally koed like this not even by Jackson. Rashad is good enough to hang with anyone in the LHW division but let's not crown him as HW champ cause that's just absurd right now.
Watch his fight against Ortiz for a reality check.
No one even knows what Rashad is capable of against the rest of the LHW division. Also , it's one thing to beat Liddell...But let's first see him against more experienced submission artists or more patient fighters. (such as machida)..
One last little detail...Werdum alone , would be a nightmare for a huge majority of fighters. There's actually no such thing as a LHW version of Fabricio Werdum. The HW division is often criticized but let's not forget that despite all it's flaws...This division happens to have some real monsters. (in terms of size & skills)...
One more thing...As far as Emelianenko is concerned...I think you are seriously underestimating that guy. There's an absolutely huge gap between a fighter like Liddell...and a guy like Fedor. Two different worlds.
Beebs
09-22-2008, 04:45 PM
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Polymath
09-22-2008, 04:47 PM
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STFU you didn't even know what trolling was until two days ago when Mannassa had you foaming at the mouth about 9/11 conspiracies :lol:
Anyway Mike isn't a troll he's a real life autistic/psycho :deal
Beebs
09-22-2008, 04:57 PM
STFU you didn't even know what trolling was until two days ago when Mannassa had you foaming at the mouth about 9/11 conspiracies :lol:
Anyway Mike isn't a troll he's a real life autistic/psycho :deal
LOL I caught offguard by him.
MikeW does this about once a month, gets everybody every time.
Polymath
09-22-2008, 04:59 PM
He's not a troll though, he's naturally mental.
thebrodstar
09-23-2008, 09:56 PM
Rashad would get mauled in the heavyweight division. Don't get me wrong he is doing awesome, he has beat named opponents and is now a contender for the LHW belt. I believe he could move to to MW and do very well.
Remember though, he is a very small LHW and if he went to HW guy there would throw him around like nothing. He should stick to LHW, remember he just started fighting top level guys here, and managed a huge shot on an over the hill Liddell, he not did out class him or show anything very impressive except for one big shot. He did look better in the second round, but now he is really going to get tested in the future.
Think about his upcoming opponents, Silva, Rampage, Machida, Shogun, Franklin. He has nothing but top guys in there Prime to fight yet, and he hasn't fought anyone near there level yet.
Saying he could beat Fedor or Nog is just ridiculous, have you seen Fedor fight by any chance?
thebrodstar
09-23-2008, 09:59 PM
You know , Rashad landed a fantastic punch in his latest fight. I don't think Liddell has ever been brutally koed like this not even by Jackson. Rashad is good enough to hang with anyone in the LHW division but let's not crown him as HW champ cause that's just absurd right now.
Watch his fight against Ortiz for a reality check.
No one even knows what Rashad is capable of against the rest of the LHW division. Also , it's one thing to beat Liddell...But let's first see him against more experienced submission artists or more patient fighters. (such as machida)..
One last little detail...Werdum alone , would be a nightmare for a huge majority of fighters. There's actually no such thing as a LHW version of Fabricio Werdum. The HW division is often criticized but let's not forget that despite all it's flaws...This division happens to have some real monsters. (in terms of size & skills)...
One more thing...As far as Emelianenko is concerned...I think you are seriously underestimating that guy. There's an absolutely huge gap between a fighter like Liddell...and a guy like Fedor. Two different worlds.
I guess I should have read a little further ahead cause your post is exactly what I was trying to say :lol:
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