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scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 04:47 PM
MAIN CARD (TELEVISED)
Middleweight champ Anderson Silva vs. Patrick Cote
Thiago Alves vs. Diego Sanchez
Thales Leites vs. Goran Reljic
Fabricio Werdum vs. Junior dos Santos
Tyson Griffin vs. Sean Sherk PRELIMINARY CARD (UN-TELEVISED)
Rich Clementi vs. Gray Maynard
Spencer Fisher vs. Shannon Gugerty
Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Horwich
Marcus Aurelio vs. Hermes Franca
Josh Burkman vs. Pete SellLooks like another UFN card to me :D
Looking forward to Griffin vs Sherk. This bout shoudl really show us how far Griffin has come.
jimmie
09-20-2008, 04:50 PM
Im disapointed in Werdum and Silvas opponets I dont see them having a chance. Leites-Relic is intriguing,Griffin-Sherk and Alves-Sanchez should be excellent fights. Undercard is fantastic could easily make for a good UFN card. If Silva was maybe fighting a better fighter id pay alot to see this card.
scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 04:54 PM
Apart from Griffin vs Sherk i dont have much interest in UFC 90 at all.
Polymath
09-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Apart from Griffin vs Sherk i dont have much interest in UFC 90 at all.
Same. I'll always watch the likes of Silva or Werdum but theyre both in mismatches, so...meh.
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:14 PM
Apart from Griffin vs Sherk i dont have much interest in UFC 90 at all.
Dont watch it.
scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 05:18 PM
Dont watch it.Thanks for the advice!!:thumbsup
jimmie
09-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the advice!!:thumbsup
No problem its that simple if you cant get midly exicted to watch some good fights all good fights exept Silva and Werdums fights then fuck it save your money and time.
cdnboxing
09-20-2008, 05:37 PM
No problem its that simple if you cant get midly exicted to watch some good fights all good fights exept Silva and Werdums fights then fuck it save your money and time.
Well, the question is would you pay $50 to watch this card. And I wouldnt. Silva/Cote wont be a competitive fight. With the way Cote looked against Almeida this fight just doesnt interest me at all.
I think Alves has a rather easy time with Diego. Griffin/Sherk can be a potential snoozer. Two great wrestlers it will be about who can dictate their style first. I think Sherk wins a comfortable decision over Griffin.
So in my opinion 60% of the fights on the main card arent appealing. With the amount of fighters the UFC has in their organization they definitely should be able to put on better cards than this.
scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 05:48 PM
No problem its that simple if you cant get midly exicted to watch some good fights all good fights exept Silva and Werdums fights then fuck it save your money and time.You sure you dont work for the UFC?
jimmie
09-20-2008, 06:05 PM
Haha na bro I wish I did id rather work for the UFC then Walmart. To CDN no I probablly wont pay 50 to watch it since around that time ill be getting other PPVs like UFC 91,Pacquiao-DLH(I know I know),Jones-Calzaghe. Ill have to see though the main event does nothing for me but you never know.
scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 06:15 PM
Dont get it twisted il watch this card... surreptiously of course.. But its not got my juices flowing.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 06:34 PM
I would like to see Rashad v Forest
if UFC 90 had that,i would tune in but i wont bother looking at that card
mind you,Anderson Silva is always worth watching,the guy is beatable, i remember Lee Murrey putting Silva on his back a few years ago just before his legs got kicked to shreds
scurlaruntings
09-20-2008, 06:40 PM
I would like to see Rashad v Forest
if UFC 90 had that,i would tune in but i wont bother looking at that card
mind you,Anderson Silva is always worth watching,the guy is beatable, i remember Lee Murrey putting Silva on his back a few years ago just before his legs got kicked to shredsLee Murray was a SOLID talent. The guy was just bad. Bad bad bad. What a waste.
The dipper
09-20-2008, 06:44 PM
Lee Murray was a SOLID talent. The guy was just bad. Bad bad bad. What a waste.
Lee Murray proved that Silva is not all that at stand up
Anderson had a pro fight as a boxer and got knocked out in the first round to a bum,Silva is feasting on wrestlers and BJJ geeks
saying that the leg kicks that Silva unleashed on Murray were pure evil,Murray limped out of the cage on that one,decision loss,Silva was scared of Murrays power
btw
stop using the word talent,the word is over rated!
québecwarrior
09-20-2008, 07:00 PM
I wont miss that card!!!
gonna be at least fifty people in my appart yelling COTE COTE COTE COTE
The prelim card is solid. I wish they'd show some of those fights.
cdnboxing
09-20-2008, 07:23 PM
Lee Murray proved that Silva is not all that at stand up
Anderson had a pro fight as a boxer and got knocked out in the first round to a bum,Silva is feasting on wrestlers and BJJ geeks
saying that the leg kicks that Silva unleashed on Murray were pure evil,Murray limped out of the cage on that one,decision loss,Silva was scared of Murrays power
btw
stop using the word talent,the word is over rated!
You should have seen Silva's 2nd boxing fight 3 years ago. He won it in the 2nd round but the guy was an absolute can and everything about Silva was awkward. His footwork, jabs, combinations and for facing such a mediocre opponent he even got tagged a few times. Him wanting to fight RJJ was nothing more than a publicity stunt. He knew Dana would not allow that fight and he knows he would absolutely get splattered by RJJ if that fight were to materialize.
BUT, Silva is not really overrated. Hes not as good of a striker as people are making him out to be but hes beaten everybody that was put in front of him. I still think the middleweight division is probably the worst in the UFC in terms of talent. They are lucky they have Silva because nobody is marketable in that division.
cdnboxing
09-20-2008, 07:26 PM
Haha na bro I wish I did id rather work for the UFC then Walmart. To CDN no I probablly wont pay 50 to watch it since around that time ill be getting other PPVs like UFC 91,Pacquiao-DLH(I know I know),Jones-Calzaghe. Ill have to see though the main event does nothing for me but you never know.
Yeah I agree. I got a few freakshow fights to watch in Couture/Lesnar and Pacquaio/DLH. But I am actually excited for RJJ/Calzaghe. That fight is going to be competitive.
jimmie
09-21-2008, 01:59 AM
Lee Murray proved that Silva is not all that at stand up
Anderson had a pro fight as a boxer and got knocked out in the first round to a bum,Silva is feasting on wrestlers and BJJ geeks
saying that the leg kicks that Silva unleashed on Murray were pure evil,Murray limped out of the cage on that one,decision loss,Silva was scared of Murrays power
btw
stop using the word talent,the word is over rated!
From what ive heard that 1st round KO loss 10 years ago wasnt even the Silva we all know.
Beebs
09-21-2008, 02:19 AM
Lee Murray proved that Silva is not all that at stand up
Anderson had a pro fight as a boxer and got knocked out in the first round to a bum,Silva is feasting on wrestlers and BJJ geeks
saying that the leg kicks that Silva unleashed on Murray were pure evil,Murray limped out of the cage on that one,decision loss,Silva was scared of Murrays power
btw
stop using the word talent,the word is over rated!
So one fight, four years ago, that he won easily, shows his striking isn't all that? Not to mention he's the only person I can think of outstriking Murray, who knocked out Pele.
Nobody has used striking as succesfully in high level fights as Anderson Silva in MMA history. There may be a handful of fighters with better stand up in some sort of removed from reality hypothetical vaccum, but nobody is going to beat him with striking in an MMA fight, because the few that may be better are such worse fighters overall they wouldn't stand much of a chance.
LB3000
09-21-2008, 04:43 PM
The Werdum matchup is very strange. He beats Gonzaga and Vera then they match him up against someone who is going to make their UFC debut :huh. Looking forward to the other fights though. Leites vs Reljic should be good, the winner could be a possible future opponent for Silva. I actually think Cote will do better then what a lot of people think, but I still think Silva will win. This card is lacking another big name for it to be a PPV, so I understand people having doubts about purchasing it.
québecwarrior
09-21-2008, 04:48 PM
The Werdum matchup is very strange. He beats Gonzaga and Vera then they match him up against someone who is going to make their UFC debut :huh. Looking forward to the other fights though. Leites vs Reljic should be good, the winner could be a possible future opponent for Silva. I actually think Cote will do better then what a lot of people think, but I still think Silva will win. This card is lacking another big name for it to be a PPV, so I understand people having doubts about purchasing it.
Cote will make it to the 3rd round
The dipper
09-21-2008, 06:15 PM
Nobody has used striking as succesfully in high level fights as Anderson Silva in MMA history.
There may be a handful of fighters with better stand up in some sort of removed from reality hypothetical vaccum, but nobody is going to beat him with striking in an MMA fight, because the few that may be better are such worse fighters overall they wouldn't stand much of a chance.
Thats because the UFC or MMA has no great strikers,stand up fighters,GSP is good,BJ Penn they are all good but they are nothing special at all
Anderson is nothing special,fair enough tho......... i admit Anderson Silva is the best in the UFC right now
The dipper
09-21-2008, 06:17 PM
From what ive heard that 1st round KO loss 10 years ago wasnt even the Silva we all know.
its the same Silva Jimmie
Its just Silva looks sensational in the UFC,this has got people carried away
scurlaruntings
09-21-2008, 07:05 PM
its the same Silva Jimmie
Its just Silva looks sensational in the UFC,this has got people carried awayIv only seen one of Silva`s boxing matches. He fought some guy that looked at least 2 divisions smaller than him. It was quite crude and not much to write home about and Silva won via KO. Either way its immaterial. In MMA Silva IS a world class striker. I dont see what he`s boxing credentials has to do with this as if he was a boxer he wouldnt even be a journeyman. There two diffrent sports.
The dipper
09-21-2008, 08:08 PM
In MMA Silva IS a world class striker. I dont see what he`s boxing credentials has to do with this
Scarlaruntings
look at it on a scientific level!
MMA is evolving........... jujitsu and wrestling DOMINATED in the early UFCs but both these arts are now being found out,take down defense is now wide spread in MMA
Anderson Silva a world class UFC fighter, a good striker,it is a new wave IMO,MMA will be dominated by strikers with take down defense,only the so called hard man Brock steroid Lesnar can carry the flag of wrestling in the UFC/MMA
The UFC is a wrestling ORG if you ask me and Silva has thrown a big spanner in the works so i respect Silva for that but i know Anderson is nothing special in stand up war
The dipper
09-21-2008, 08:15 PM
Silva wanting to fight RJJ was nothing more than a publicity stunt. He knew Dana would not allow that fight and he knows he would absolutely get splattered by RJJ if that fight were to materialize.
RJJ is past it,well past it,but he would splat Sliva in th Ring,in the cage its another story
Beebs
09-21-2008, 08:20 PM
Thats because the UFC or MMA has no great strikers,stand up fighters,GSP is good,BJ Penn they are all good but they are nothing special at all
Anderson is nothing special,fair enough tho......... i admit Anderson Silva is the best in the UFC right now
Not in the UFC, the world.
Nobody is going to succesfully beat him in a fight with striking, because those capable of doing it are so woefully inadequate in every other aspect of their game that they would be dominated and beaten easily.
sugarngold
09-21-2008, 10:37 PM
No problem its that simple if you cant get midly exicted to watch some good fights all good fights exept Silva and Werdums fights then fuck it save your money and time.
Agreed. You can always watch the replay of Anderson Silva's sixty second beat down of Patrick Cote on Youtube the next day.
jimmie
09-21-2008, 11:15 PM
its the same Silva Jimmie
Its just Silva looks sensational in the UFC,this has got people carried away
Even if it is it means very little to me considering it was in like 1998 before Silva even started MMA.
Agreed. You can always watch the replay of Anderson Silva's sixty second beat down of Patrick Cote on Youtube the next day.
I'll tell you what, i'll take cote in an Avatar bet but I get Werdum so we just need one more fight to bet on to make a 2 of 3.
I think Cote will do better then people expect, he has improved alot and this will be a fight where it will likely be just standup. Anderson's ground game has been just as deadly as his standup so Cote has a better chance of a flash KO then trying to control him on the ground which has been almost impossible as shown by Lutter, Marquardt, Henderson and Franklin.
Alves-Sanchez is the most attractive fight on the card.
québecwarrior
09-22-2008, 09:10 AM
Agreed. You can always watch the replay of Anderson Silva's sixty second beat down of Patrick Cote on Youtube the next day.
you want to lost another avatar bet?
berserkafied
09-22-2008, 09:50 AM
Not a bad card overall IMO. I can see Silva v Cote being a lot closer than people think - Silva will be the favorite, and rightly so; However, you can't completely write-off a talented fighter like Cote.
sugarngold
09-22-2008, 11:00 PM
you want to lost another avatar bet?
Laugh it up, fuzzball. Your time is coming!!! :bbb:bbb:bbb
If you want Cote over Silva - I'll take that bet six days a week and twice on Sunday! Don't let national pride cloud your judgment. Cote is in for a beating.
sugarngold
09-22-2008, 11:02 PM
I'll tell you what, i'll take cote in an Avatar bet but I get Werdum so we just need one more fight to bet on to make a 2 of 3.
I think Cote will do better then people expect, he has improved alot and this will be a fight where it will likely be just standup. Anderson's ground game has been just as deadly as his standup so Cote has a better chance of a flash KO then trying to control him on the ground which has been almost impossible as shown by Lutter, Marquardt, Henderson and Franklin.
We'll work out something. I have a cold dish of revenge to serve up!:good
We'll work out something. I have a cold dish of revenge to serve up!:good
and i'll be waiting ,nice avatar :lol: :lol: :lol: ......:hat
sugarngold
09-22-2008, 11:19 PM
I don't about the Werdum fight however. I'm not ready to bet against that guy.
québecwarrior
09-23-2008, 08:43 AM
I don't want to bet a win for Cote.
I want to bet that Cote is gonna go to the 3rd round and maybe the 4th.
LB3000
10-13-2008, 09:15 AM
Just read that Goran Reljic has pulled out of his fight with Thales Leites due to an injury. Was looking forward to that fight.
jimmie
10-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Not a bad card overall IMO. I can see Silva v Cote being a lot closer than people think - Silva will be the favorite, and rightly so; However, you can't completely write-off a talented fighter like Cote.
Yup Cote has devastating KO power so he is a live dog. Also you gotta remember Anderson is now be mentioned in the same breath of Jones and Tyson at there primes and look who they lost to Buster Douglass and Antonio Tarver who wouldve thought that ? We got a similar situation Andersons been destroying high level fighters like Rich,Hendo,Marquardt ETC and everyone sees this bout as a walk thru it shouldnt happen according to some. I doubt it happens but dont be totally shocked if Cote wins this.
chimba
10-13-2008, 01:54 PM
Cotes only chance is to start throwing out of the gate. Be agressive. His problem is that he waits too long and rarely initiates. Itll be a minor miracle if he lasts the distance.
Thiago-Diego matchup is intriguing...I think Sanchez has enough moxie and cardio to outlast Alves. Both dynamic fighters with Alves having a slight adv standing and Diego on the ground...close fight
I can never see Diego losing by a KO...his chin is very good...but Alves is so explosive
québecwarrior
10-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Cote will take this fight to the decision.
Believe it
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