Anderson Silva to retire next year?

[concrete sledge]

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[Fedor Em]

I hope not. This guy is a monster and could end up leaving a legacy at middleweight that will be real tough for the next greats to surpass.

[thatboyelite]

I hope that somehow someway that he gets to fight Roy Jones Jr before its all over with. Roy would box his head in!

[concrete sledge]

I hope that somehow someway that he gets to fight Roy Jones Jr before its all over with. Roy would box his head in!

Roy might win a boxing match.

Silva would KILL him in an MMA event.

[Tko4]

He hasn't even taken any damage lately, and asked to fight more often. I can't possibly see why he'd want to retire from MMA, unless it's to venture into boxing. Let me say, going into boxing would be ridiculously stupid. He goes from a top guy in MMA to a journeyman at best in boxing.

[Tko4]

Roy might win a boxing match.

Silva would KILL him in an MMA event.

Even an aging Roy would KILL Silva in a boxing match. Same way Silva would KILL him in MMA. They're two different sports. Silva's punching style is not at all suited to boxing.

[AJAX]

He hasn't even taken any damage lately, and asked to fight more often. I can't possibly see why he'd want to retire from MMA, unless it's to venture into boxing. Let me say, going into boxing would be ridiculously stupid. He goes from a top guy in MMA to a journeyman at best in boxing.

Yea sounds contradictory, wants to fight more then wants to retire? i think he is basically telling Dana give me big fights or else. which is great it's good to see guys want to fight regulary. He trains for 3 months for a fight and never get's past the second round and rarely get's hit. I could see why he feels he needs more.

[chimba]

Its weird because everytime he gets interviewd after a fight..he leaves an impression that he is still very motivated and still learning some new things

[cdnboxing]

Yea sounds contradictory, wants to fight more then wants to retire? i think he is basically telling Dana give me big fights or else. which is great it's good to see guys want to fight regulary. He trains for 3 months for a fight and never get's past the second round and rarely get's hit. I could see why he feels he needs more.

Thats a good point actually. When you think about it, none of his fights have gone to decision and he hasnt taken any damage in any of his fights. Hes one of those guys that can fight 5-6 times a year.

I wouldnt mind seeing him box though. He would most likely have to fight at cruiser which would be absolutely scary for a guy like Silva. Those guys would splatter him all over the ring. Cunningham, Adamek, Ding a Ling would crush him. LOL.

[sugarngold]

Not gonna happen. Fighters always talk about retiring. As long as he keeps winning and the UFC keeps paying him - Anderson Silva will keep fighting.

[cdnboxing]

Roy might win a boxing match.

Silva would KILL him in an MMA event.

MIGHT win?

RJJ would absolutely embarass Silva in a boxing match. It wouldnt even be competitive. People need to use their head. Silva has never fought guys as skilled with their hands as good to elite boxers are. Watch Silva spar against Big Nog, watch his 2nd boxing fight in 2005. He looked awful, awkward with poor footwork, telegraphed punches and mediocre defense. He even got tagged by the tomato can he fought. You look at MMA fighters sparring against pro boxers the difference is evident as it should be. Hieron/Byrd, Arlovski/Oquendo for example. The reason why they did so poorly and looked outmatched is because the stuff that the boxers are throwing at them is something they have never seen in their life. Silva would get absolutely murdered.

The fact that you have to bring up the fact he would win in MMA just shows how insecure you are. RJJ never challenged Silva, Silva challenged RJJ therefore MMA shouldnt even be part of the discussion.

And RJJ at 40 has a much better shot at beating Silva in MMA than the other way around. Although they both are huge underdogs in both.

So please stop with the MIGHT nonsense. Silva would DEFINITELY get slaughtered in boxing. When RJJ, a boxer who has taken alot of criticism for not fighting the best is willing to fight you IMMEDIATELY after Silva called him out you know RJJ knows it would be a cakewalk. In fact, RJJ and his team were trying to setup the fight immediately. Its no coincidence. It would be one of RJJ's easiest paydays of his life.

And this is taking nothing away from Silva who is a fantastic MMA fighter but in terms of boxing and muay thai in its purest form, there are plenty of fighters WAY better than him.

[sugarngold]

RJJ would absolutely embarass Silva in a boxing match. It wouldnt even be competitive.

You're right. I'm glad Dana White never let that fight happen.

[Tyga]

Seems strange. Anderson has always said he wants to fight as much as possible. Maybe it's a way to bait the UFC into paying him more. Who knows? But we'll all find out.

[SouthpawSlayer]

Roy might win a boxing match.

Silva would KILL him in an MMA event.

to say rjj MIGHT beat silva in a boxing match is the same as saying roy will grab anderson in a clinch and knock him out with muay thai knees

silva couldnt beat any top 75 ranked lhw

posssibly way more

[Tyga]

silva couldnt beat any top 75 ranked lhw

posssibly way more

Right now, probably not. But if he were to only focus on Boxing, then yes.

[bachatu]

Maybe his contract is coming up and he is thinking of leaving the org? Or his way of telling UFC, I need more $$$$$$$$$ when it comes time to resign.

[ozziebattler]

Roy might win a boxing match.

Silva would KILL him in an MMA event.

Roy WOULD win the boxing match.

And yes Silva would win the MMA match.

Wouldnt say kill as it would probably get stopped early.

Im really baffled how u would write that RJJ MIGHT win the boxing match.lol.

[concrete sledge]

Right now, probably not. But if he were to only focus on Boxing, then yes.

That's what I meant. And why would he not completely focus on boxing if it were going to be a boxing match? I think he'd have a height and reach advantage as well.

[SkillsSoSmooth]

It would be devastating for the sport if this man calls it a day, and for the life of me i can't see why he would while he's at the peak of his powers, he's having a ball right now and is making it all look very easy, i hope Dana moves heaven and earth to tie him down to a new contract for the UFC's sake, although saying all that it's easy for us to talk about it but it's Anderson who has to get in the ring and go through hell :D .. whatever happens the great man took things to a whole new level and will go down as one of the greatest MMA stars ever.

[Tyga]

And why would he not completely focus on boxing if it were going to be a boxing match?


That's what I meant. If Anderson were to retire from MMA.

[Beebs]

His manager says he will fight until he is 35

[cdnboxing]

You're right. I'm glad Dana White never let that fight happen.

Well I actually wouldnt mind seeing it just because it would hopefully educate the MMA fanbase.

But yeah, Dana White isnt stupid, hes been around boxing for a large part of his life. He knows the UFC would lose some credibility by having their golden boy get crushed against a 40 year old who fights at a much lighter weight.

Its the same reason he doesnt want to cross-promote. He doesnt want to risk Couture against Fedor.

[cdnboxing]

That's what I meant. And why would he not completely focus on boxing if it were going to be a boxing match? I think he'd have a height and reach advantage as well.

My god man, he said if Silva focused on boxing he might be able to beat a top 75 LHW.

NOT ROY FRIGGING JONES JR. Are you actually serious or is this some kind of sick joke?

I dont think you realize how badly Silva would get embarrassed. Silva practically is a striker. Thats what he devotes most of his time too. And since 2006 hes actually focused quite a bit on boxing. So its not like focusing primarily on boxing for THREE months will drastically improve his chances of succeeding in boxing. Hes still absolutely screwed against any top 50 LHW.

Listen, there is a HUGE difference between the boxing ability of a Rich Franklin, Chris Leben, Travis Lutter, James Irvin, Dan Henderson as opposed to a top LHW boxer like a Chad Dawson, Chris Henry. LOL.

Saying Silva can beat RJJ is like saying RJJ can submit BJ Penn. Well if RJJ focused for 3 months on BJJ im sure he can submit Penn. LOL, They are both equally ridiculous.

[ufoalf]

My god man, he said if Silva focused on boxing he might be able to beat a top 75 LHW.

I beat you 1000$ you haven't seen anyone fight who's ranked 75 or lower... those guys arn't anything special. Silva would destroy them.

[ufoalf]

Saying Silva can beat RJJ is like saying RJJ can submit BJ Penn. Well if RJJ focused for 3 months on BJJ im sure he can submit Penn. LOL, They are both equally ridiculous.

Umm you're way off son. RJJ hasn't trained a day in BJJ while Silva trains in boxing many hours a week.

[AJAX]

Umm you're way off son. RJJ hasn't trained a day in BJJ while Silva trains in boxing many hours a week.

That's what "boxing fans" forget, MMA guys train wrestling,BJJ,Muay Tai,Sambo,Judo,kickboxing,submission fighting,boxing, And Boxers train......well in boxing only.

[cdnboxing]

I beat you 1000$ you haven't seen anyone fight who's ranked 75 or lower... those guys arn't anything special. Silva would destroy them.

You absolutely dont know boxing if you think those guys ranked in the 60-70s arent anything special. Some of them have great amatuer pedigrees and well over 20 pro fights. To think that Silva would destroy them when hes already got a loss on his boxing resume to a mediocre fighter is pretty ridiculous.

Silva can compete, COMPETE with guys ranked in the 50's, 60's, 70's but he by no means would DESTROY them. He would however be absolutely humiliated and overwhelmed by any top 25 LHW. This isnt even up for discussion.

Silva may TRAIN boxing but he doesnt do so with world-class boxing trainers, he doesnt get world-class sparring. The extent of his sparring sessions would be like Big Nog, Lil Nog. HAHA. Lil Nog by the way got UD'd by a Cuban amatuer boxer at the Pan Am games in the semi's.

Not to mention Silva is 1-1 in his professional boxing career. He has never faced legitimate fighters in boxing. And if he did he would be overwhelmed.

Honestly, I love MMA, I watch MMA but BOXING is completely different. There are so many aspects to boxign that MMA fighters simply cannot do. Im talking in-fighting, throwing punches from weird angles, double-triple jabs, up jabs, out-fighting, fighting against the ropes, head & body movement, slipping, parrying, fluent combinations etc.

[cdnboxing]

Umm you're way off son. RJJ hasn't trained a day in BJJ while Silva trains in boxing many hours a week.

The point is they are both equally ridiculous. Both have absolutely no chance. I cant believe people actually think because someone trains boxing and KO's a bunch of wrestlers and BJJ guys that they can hang with a legend like RJJ.

Do you know how crazy you sound? A guy with a 1-1 record, without top notch boxing trainers, sparring partners could beat RJJ or even HANG with RJJ. HAHAHA.

Does that mean Cintron can hang with Urijah Faber? Well Cintron has a wrestling background, and his wrestling pedigree was far more impressive than Fabers, Sherks, Rampages etc.

Lets put it this way. Kermit Cintron is a very gifted athlete. He was regarded as one of the best wrestlers in the country coming out of high school. He quit wrestling to pursue boxing. He trained boxing EVERYDAY for 10 years and yet when he got in the ring with Margarito, Margarito overwhelmed him. He actually embarassed him. He was doing circles around him, landing body shots, uppercuts, rights, lefts, jabs. He was in Cintrons face all night and just gave him a gruesome boxing lesson.

If Cintron cant beat Margarito whos a GOOD fighter after 10 years of religious boxing training what makes you think Silva can even COMPETE with RJJ with absolutely minimal experience. Just watch Silvas 2nd boxing fight. Once you see it you will immediately notice a huge difference between a top notch boxer and Silva. Silvas footwork was awkward, jabs were awkward, left his chin out. Silva would get smoked.

[cdnboxing]

That's what "boxing fans" forget, MMA guys train wrestling,BJJ,Muay Tai,Sambo,Judo,kickboxing,submission fighting,boxing, And Boxers train......well in boxing only.

Ahhh, nice ignorant post on a boxing forum.

MMA fighters absolutely do NOT train in all those disciplines. Training in all those disciplines would almost be counterproductive.

You know that Herring didnt even train on the ground for his fight against Kongo. You know that Fedor has NEVER done BJJ. He comes from a sambo background and cross-trains in boxing/kickboxing. If you think MMA fighters are these WELL-ROUNDED machines than you are COMPLETELY wrong. Sylvia, Lesnar, Sherk, Griffin, Florian, Edgar, Guida, Liddell, Crocop, Hunt, Aoki, Ortiz, Serra, Hughes, Koscheck, Herring, Gonzaga, Werdum etc are all ONE-DIMENSIONAL.

The point is "BOXING FANS" arent stupid enough to proclaim that a fighter who has TWO professional boxing fights can defeat a legend albeit old one in RJJ.

You're talking about a fighter in Silva who amassed a 40-1 Muay Thai record in ONLY BRAZIL. Brazil is far from a Muay Thai hotbed and he managed to lose to a relatively mediocre striker. Silva would get absolutely MANHANDLED against any top 10-15 Muay Thai striker in his respective weight class. Corbett, Spong would all brutally massacre him and thats Silvas apparent strength.

So if Silva cant even beat someone at his own game what makes you think he can beat RJJ in boxing with a 1-1 boxing record.

Training in boxing and actually COMPETING in boxing are two entirely different things. Some MMA fighters train in boxing but they DONT actually COMPETE in it. If world-class K-1 strikers like Ray Sefo can get KILLED against a journeyman heavyweight boxer in a boxing fight, I guarantee you Silva would have the same result if not worse. Crocop got cut from the Croation National boxing team, Mark Hunt is a failed boxer, Mighty Mo got his jaw broken against a journeyman boxer. I mean these are great K-1 strikers were talking about and ALL of them failed miserably in boxing. Why would Silva with a much lesser striking pedigree fare any differently?

Jay Hieron said Silva would get whooped. "It wouldnt be a good night for Silva, Hieron said."

Randy Couture said "RJJ is probably a way better boxer but Silva should be allowed to test out his skills in boxing."

Koscheck is a great wrestler but hes not going to win any gold medals. And he has a far more impressive wrestling pedigree than Silva has in boxing.

C'mon guys. I dont care which sport you prefer, I dont care if you dont like boxing but a little bit of common sense would be appreciated.

[jimmie]

You know that Herring didnt even train on the ground for his fight against Kongo. You know that Fedor has NEVER done BJJ. He comes from a sambo background and cross-trains in boxing/kickboxing. If you think MMA fighters are these WELL-ROUNDED machines than you are COMPLETELY wrong. Sylvia, Lesnar, Sherk, Griffin, Florian, Edgar, Guida, Liddell, Crocop, Hunt, Aoki, Ortiz, Serra, Hughes, Koscheck, Herring, Gonzaga, Werdum etc are all ONE-DIMENSIONAL.


You are a complete and total jackass saying what you just said. Griffin isnt well rounded the dude has exactly what real weakness ? Florian has good takedowns,real strong Muay Thai and hes been a BJJ Blackbelt before he entered the 1st TUF season. Liddell isnt exactly 1 dimensional his striking is yes but when he wants to he can wrestle damn good. Serra has a execellent ground game and extremly heavy hands he could KO anyone at 170. Hughes cant strike but he isnt just a slam and GNP guy he has great submission skills ask the 20 something guys he submitted. Gonzaga WTF he KOed Cro Cop with a head kick his best move when Cro Cop was still ranked number 2 in the world and considered the most lethal striker out there then look at Gonzagas ground game he has brutal GNP and awesome Jiu-Jitsu you dont become a Mundial Champion if you dont. Tito Ortiz like Hughes cant really strike well Tito has a great clinch he uses them elbows and knees real well but he isnt the shoot and lay there guy people think he is. Titos got great GNP skills and he doesnt even need to pass guard hell his guard off the back is dangerous watch him nearly submitt Machida I guarantee sweat was a favorite in him getting out or watch Tito get robbed in the finals of the ADCCs in 2001. Sherks another laughable one watch his standup I talked to many amateur and pro boxers you where impressed with his hands agianst BJ he just got caught by a superior striker. You know nothing about MMA I can tell right off the bat you have never trained in your life and fall to understand what you watch.

[québecwarrior]

jimmie for the victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmie]

jimmie for the victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You agree with me im assuming ?

[québecwarrior]

yep, that guy is a dumbass.
No good MMA fighter are completly one dimentional.

[jimmie]

yep, that guy is a dumbass.
No good MMA fighter are completly one dimentional.

Exactly now these days you cant be weak in any area and you gotta train hard with some tough cats. Look at the Champs Griffin,BJ,GSP,Forrest,Couture you always see them rolling and sparring with quality guys and its hard to detect any real glarring weakness is any of them.

[québecwarrior]

yeah, hell even Kimbo Slice is less one dimentional than boxer.

[ufoalf]

Look at the Champs Griffin,BJ,GSP,Forrest,Couture you always see them rolling and sparring with quality guys and its hard to detect any real glarring weakness is any of them.

You forgot to mention Forrest Griffin.

[ufoalf]

P.s. That CDN guy has very little knowledge of MMA. Not even gona start arguing with him. Pointless...

[cdnboxing]

You are a complete and total jackass saying what you just said. Griffin isnt well rounded the dude has exactly what real weakness ? Florian has good takedowns,real strong Muay Thai and hes been a BJJ Blackbelt before he entered the 1st TUF season. Liddell isnt exactly 1 dimensional his striking is yes but when he wants to he can wrestle damn good. Serra has a execellent ground game and extremly heavy hands he could KO anyone at 170. Hughes cant strike but he isnt just a slam and GNP guy he has great submission skills ask the 20 something guys he submitted. Gonzaga WTF he KOed Cro Cop with a head kick his best move when Cro Cop was still ranked number 2 in the world and considered the most lethal striker out there then look at Gonzagas ground game he has brutal GNP and awesome Jiu-Jitsu you dont become a Mundial Champion if you dont. Tito Ortiz like Hughes cant really strike well Tito has a great clinch he uses them elbows and knees real well but he isnt the shoot and lay there guy people think he is. Titos got great GNP skills and he doesnt even need to pass guard hell his guard off the back is dangerous watch him nearly submitt Machida I guarantee sweat was a favorite in him getting out or watch Tito get robbed in the finals of the ADCCs in 2001. Sherks another laughable one watch his standup I talked to many amateur and pro boxers you where impressed with his hands agianst BJ he just got caught by a superior striker. You know nothing about MMA I can tell right off the bat you have never trained in your life and fall to understand what you watch.

Tyson Griffin not FORREST Griffin: Forrest doesnt have any glaring weaknesses. Hes great on the ground and is an okay striker without any real KO power.

Kenny Florian: Is World-class at BJJ. But his Muay Thai is not real good. LOL. Its mediocre at best. Have you seen his kicks?

Serra: Good on the ground and heavyhands? That constitutes being well-rounded. Are you serious? Serra is a very mediocre striker.

Liddell: Has great takedown defense. But there is WAY more to wrestling than just TD. 1st fight with Rampage, Chuck had zero defense from half-guard. When 90% of your wins come via KO its pretty clear how many tools he has. The fight with Silva was the first time in a long time ive seen him shoot on an opponent. And when he got Silva on the ground he literally did nothing. The point is Liddell and other one-dimensional fighters are easy to prepare for. THey know they wont have to go to BRazil to fine tune their BJJ skills because Liddell is largely ineffective on the ground and refuses to go their in fights.

Gonzaga: Is great on the ground but he got brutalized against Couture on his feet. Gonzaga is not a bad striker but he isnt good by any means. Landing ONE KICK to Crocop does not mean you're a good striker. Is Randleman a good striker? Crocop got caught plain and simple.

Sherk: Great wrestler but the guy showed awful boxing against Penn. He lost to Penns....JAB. You do know that their is more to boxing than just hands, right? He showed no head & body movement, he was flat-footed, showed no defensive boxing ability, couldnt land any significant punches, couldnt get inside. His handspeed wasnt bad, it was actually pretty good for MMA but the guy was throwing at AIR. LOL. When he threw his "fast" combinations he wasnt even within 3 feet of Penn. Wasnt even close to landing. Obviously his reach had alot to do with it but his boxing was pretty mediocre. If you consistently get pegged in the face with a jab for 15 minutes and are not able to make any adjustments you arent a good striker. Plain and simple. His face got mangled due to Penns JAB.

Hughes: Is one-dimensional. This is not even up for debate. Horrible striker, great wrestler.

Tito: One-dimensional. Great wrestler, horrible striker. Why do you think hes been screwed in every single fight he cant get to the ground. Its because hes an awful striker. He couldnt even land on Machida. And he was chasing him the whole fight.

I currently train boxing and have trained Muay Thai and BJJ at an MMA gym so relax. You can PM me if you want and I can give you details to where I trained at if you're really that upset about it.

The point is your idea of being a good striker is much different than mine. I dont know how anybody in this world can come on here and say Florian is an effective striker. Florian is one of my favourite fighters and hes top 5 in terms of BJJ in MMA. Hes absolutely world-class in BJJ. But his Muay Thai is not great. His kicks are terrible and his hands are mediocre. Or that Gonzaga after landing ONE KICK is an effective striker. Does that mean LEsnar is a good striker as well? After all, he knocked down Herring.

There are well-rounded fighters like GSP, Penn, Fedor. But my god, not everybody is well-rounded and you dont have to be well-rounded to be great in MMA. Edgar, Guida have been outwrestling their opponents to victories for their whole career.

[cdnboxing]

yeah, hell even Kimbo Slice is less one dimentional than boxer.

Kimbo has to be good at one thing to be classified as one-dimensional.

Secondly, what the hell is the point of bringing this up?

You do know they are separate combat sports right? And how do you even know boxers are one-dimensional. Some of them have better wrestlng backgrounds than some of the best MMA fighters in the world. Cintron was a more established wrestler than Sherk. Oneil Bell was a very good wrestler in college, Mike Alvarado was a highly accomplished wrestler in Colorado. They are certainly more accomplished wrestlers than Roger Huerta who has a high school wrestling background. Nobody is saying they would beat those guys in MMA but it shows that some if not many boxers have experienced success in other combat sports.

[cdnboxing]

Exactly now these days you cant be weak in any area and you gotta train hard with some tough cats. Look at the Champs Griffin,BJ,GSP,Forrest,Couture you always see them rolling and sparring with quality guys and its hard to detect any real glarring weakness is any of them.

Ok, sparring and rolling with quality guys is what every fighter should do. Mayweather brings in world-class sparring partners.

Secondly, fighters like GSP, Penn, Fedor, Couture are well-rounded. Couture used to be fairly one-dimensional but his boxing has improved immensely over the past few years.

But the fact that you say you cant be weak in any area in MMA is an absolutely joke. You're talking about a sport that has Lesnar fighting for a title shot and lesnar has shown no other skills aside from wrestling. HE had Herrings back for 3 rounds and couldnt even secure a submission. He literally just outwrestled him.

Kongo is one-dimensional. Herring is one-dimensional. Guida, Edgar, Franca, Aoki, Shields, Smith, Velasquez are one-dimensional. There are plenty more one-dimensional fighters.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

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[québecwarrior]

I don't even want to respond to you cndboxinghomosexual.
you've lost all my respect to your knowledge when you've qualified Kenny Florian's mediocre for his MT. you just dont know shit.
get the fuck outta here

[jimmie]

I don't even want to respond to you cndboxinghomosexual.
you've lost all my respect to your knowledge when you've qualified Kenny Florian's mediocre for his MT. you just dont know shit.
get the fuck outta here

Yeah hes like did you see his kicks ? Ken Flos kicks are pretty damn nasty. What really cant Kenny Florian do ?

[cdnboxing]

I don't even want to respond to you cndboxinghomosexual.
you've lost all my respect to your knowledge when you've qualified Kenny Florian's mediocre for his MT. you just dont know shit.
get the fuck outta here

Just relax man,

Tell me why Florians MT is good? Nobody is saying its terrible but its not good.

[cdnboxing]

Yeah hes like did you see his kicks ? Ken Flos kicks are pretty damn nasty. What really cant Kenny Florian do ?

LOL, they are far from nasty.

The point is there are plenty of one-dimensional fighters in MMA and some of them are at or near the top of the sport.

BUT, thats not the point of this debate. The issue was regarding Anderson Silva.

For those of you who actually think Silva has a chance against RJJ needs to get their head examined. I honestly cant even fathom that there are people in this world who think Silva can defeat RJJ.

Silvas been beating the Chris Lebens, Rich Franklins, Dan Hendersons, Nate Marquardts, James Irvins, Travis Lutters of the world and looking good doing it. No question about it. But these guys arent world-class boxers or even good boxers for that matter and the sport he was competing at wasnt boxing.

Silva does not have world-class boxing skill nor does he have good boxing skills in relation to a top-tier boxer. Silva has no idea what its like being in there with a world-class boxer. There are so many different aspects to boxing that frankly you guys clearly dont understand. If you watch his 2nd professional boxing fight, he got tagged 3-4 times by an absolute tomato can handpicked for the popular Silva. If he fought RJJ it wouldnt even be competitive. Thats why RJJ wanted the fight so bad and why Dana White didnt allow it to happen. Dana White is not an idiot.

The logic in here is absolutely idiotic. The fact that you think because Silva trains boxing makes him a suitable challenger for a legend albeit old one in RJJ is an absolute joke. Like I said, going by your logic, Cintron can hang with Urijah Faber because Cintron wrestled in high school. Both are equally ridiculous. Nobody is saying Silva cant become a good boxer if he devoted his time to it. But, a 3 month training camp isnt going to enable him to beat or even be competitive against RJJ. HAHAHAHA. Its absolutely ridiculous to even think otherwise.

Top level K-1 fighters have failed miserably in Boxing, Silva wouldnt be any different. Stop being so protective of MMA, nobody is saying RJJ would win in MMA. Were talking about boxing, a sport that Silva is 1-1 in. The level of disrespect for boxing on a boxing forum is absolutely absurd. Its like you guys think its easy.

Browsing through Sherdog and other MMA websites im absolutely positive that MMA fans are by far the most uneducated, sensitive fanbase on the planet. The fact that people can bash me and yet not be able to critique my points is comical.

[ufoalf]

Dude, you got your panties in a bunch.

There's like half a person who thinks RJJ "might" win vs A.Silva. You went all ballistic and shit, started dissing the whole crowd of people based on nothing. RJJ beats Silva in boxing, real argument is how or how fast. Personally I think A.Silva would be able to hang until later rounds. If it came down to it, there's a hundredfold better chance of Silva beating RJJ in boxing ring than RJJ beating Silva in the cage. If you have trouble understanding how, than you need to review just what MMA is and how many ways you can win(which Silva can).

Oh, yea, go to sherdog more often, you'll get the best opinion of 12 year olds there.

[Nuke]

Just browsing posts in this thread, from what I get here is this cndboxing guy just wants to say all MMA fighters are shit against boxers or something like that. All I have to say is, If a boxer wants to fight an MMA fighter and challenges him to a fight it should be in MMA, if an MMA fighter challenges a boxer it should be in boxing. Or they alternate rounds, MMA rules to boxing rules.

I gaurentee this will never happen so why waste time argueing about it.

[Beebs]

Just relax man,

Tell me why Florians MT is good? Nobody is saying its terrible but its not good.

Well whats the measuring stick?

How he could do in Lumpinee stadium is not relevant in the least, nobody is interested in how good of a Muay Thai fighter he is in a vaccum. He is better than most people he will face in MMA, therefore he has good MT, because he can effectively use MT to effect the outcome of matches.

If being better than most people you will face is good, its good, if being dominant is good, hes average.

[Beebs]

But the fact that you say you cant be weak in any area in MMA is an absolutely joke. You're talking about a sport that has Lesnar fighting for a title shot and lesnar has shown no other skills aside from wrestling. HE had Herrings back for 3 rounds and couldnt even secure a submission. He literally just outwrestled him.

Kongo is one-dimensional. Herring is one-dimensional. Guida, Edgar, Franca, Aoki, Shields, Smith, Velasquez are one-dimensional. There are plenty more one-dimensional fighters.
I don't think one-dimensional is an insult, provided you have the means to use that dimension when you want, and I think I remember you saying that too. Most people see "one-dimensional" as an insult for some reason.

On Lesnar though, its not like he didn't know how to take the back, its that he made a choice not to; he is really good from that side ride position, and theres almost no risk of getting reversed like there is when you take a guys back. He needs to work on working more from there, like GSP did in the second Serra fight. Alot of wrestlers would prefer to just ride out to the side like that to avoid the trickier rolling into guard and reversing the back. Shogun kept trying to do it to Forrest, but Forrest didn't play the game by refusing to always take the back with hooks.