View Full Version : Calzaghe finally vacates WBO title
Also says he's received his promoter's license and that Calzaghe/Jones 24/7 will be on Setanta, maybe even on terrestrial tv:good.
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dwilson
09-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Jeez ishy your busy.
dwilson
09-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Glad to see him drop the belt. Matbe now he can go for a real one again.
Jeez ishy your busy.
:lol: Got to much spare time on my hands.
scurlaruntings
09-26-2008, 01:09 PM
Wow that must have been like loosing he`s mother. I thought Joe and the WBO were twins.
toffeejack
09-26-2008, 01:10 PM
Wow that must have been like loosing he`s mother. I thought Joe and the WBO were twins.
Couldnt resist could you :lol:
slip&counter
09-26-2008, 01:33 PM
24/7 on terestrial tv that would be awesome :happy :happy :happy i'm think ITV at 11:00 ;)
if they could put that show on any terestrial channel this fight will be huge
cityofgod
09-26-2008, 01:40 PM
thats Frochs
Bodysnatcher
09-26-2008, 01:56 PM
To be honest I sometimes look at Calzaghe and find it hard to believe that making 168 is THAT hard for him. It's not like he's built like Tyson. Although, yeah, every individual is different, so I'm not judging.
Looks like Calzaghe vs Pavlik will be at a catchweight, if at all...or maybe even at 175, which would obviously suit Joe.
ghostlybadge
09-26-2008, 02:01 PM
end of an era.
Diablo
09-26-2008, 03:04 PM
This news really brings some finality to Calzaghe's great career.
Iv enjoyed watching the man fight for over 10 years, so its a little sad to hear.
scurlaruntings
09-26-2008, 03:17 PM
To be honest I sometimes look at Calzaghe and find it hard to believe that making 168 is THAT hard for him. It's not like he's built like Tyson. Although, yeah, every individual is different, so I'm not judging.
Looks like Calzaghe vs Pavlik will be at a catchweight, if at all...or maybe even at 175, which would obviously suit Joe.Remember when Joe was slated to fight David Telesco at 175? Thats right he took the fight because he said he couldnt make 168. He was full of shit. The guy can STILL make 68 if he wants to and has never had a problem making the weight. All this bollocks about Joe walking around at 200lbs is just that bollocks.
toffeejack
09-26-2008, 03:20 PM
Remember when Joe was slated to fight David Telesco at 175? Thats right he took the fight because he said he couldnt make 168. He was full of shit. The guy can STILL make 68 if he wants to and has never had a problem making the weight. All this bollocks about Joe walking around at 200lbs is just that bollocks.
It is actually very true, He walks around heavier than Enzo Mac believe it or not.
Back to then point it's an end to a great era albeit the WBO.
I remember him beating Eubank like it was yesterday.
The 11 year streak will never be repeated again.
scurlaruntings
09-26-2008, 03:38 PM
It is actually very true, He walks around heavier than Enzo Mac believe it or not.
Back to then point it's an end to a great era albeit the WBO.
I remember him beating Eubank like it was yesterday.
The 11 year streak will never be repeated again.Only Frank ******s fighters have this fixation with the WBO. No other promoter cares. I think Artur Grigorian had a similar long WBO reign. He`s was also marred by a myriad of non-descript defences. As for Joe weighing more than Mac il take that with a large scoop of salt.
GazOC
09-26-2008, 03:42 PM
He's said he weighs more than Enzo in between fights but I don't believe him for one minute. I think he just likes having a moan about making the weight.
Diablo
09-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Only Frank ******s fighters have this fixation with the WBO. No other promoter cares. I think Artur Grigorian had a similar long WBO reign. He`s was also marred by a myriad of non-descript defences. As for Joe weighing more than Mac il take that with a large scoop of salt.
Your anti Calzaghe/WBO fixation over the years could rival Flint islands enzo macc obsession.
Get over it he unified the division....
toffeejack
09-26-2008, 03:46 PM
He's said he weighs more than Enzo in between fights but I don't believe him for one minute. I think he just likes having a moan about making the weight.
It's a fact mate I've already stated this.
And I'm not going by what I read I just know, trust me straight from the horses mouth as it were.
JonOli
09-26-2008, 03:46 PM
I know he's not fighting for a belt, but is Pavlik going to give up his WBO, and WBC titles to fight Bernard or does he hold onto them till his next bout.
I asked because if Pavlik does face Joe, for no title, he will have end up being titleless for at least a year and a half or so... as they wont be fighting for a belt...
Also AA must be in the equasion somewere...
GazOC
09-26-2008, 03:48 PM
It's a fact mate I've already stated this.
And I'm not going by what I read I just know, trust me straight from the horses mouth as it were.
Well I'm VERY surprised but I'm not going to argue if you have first hand knowledge.
Diablo
09-26-2008, 03:49 PM
He's said he weighs more than Enzo in between fights but I don't believe him for one minute. I think he just likes having a moan about making the weight.
When you see him out of training camp, doing interviews etc he looks pretty heavy. So he clearly cuts some weight. Doubt he walks around over 200lbs tho.
mike464
09-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Something he should have done a long time ago.
Smazz20
09-26-2008, 05:16 PM
I take it, he is giving up the ring title aswel?
GazOC
09-26-2008, 06:18 PM
I take it, he is giving up the ring title aswel?
Probably not, the WBO will have (admittedly slack) dates when mandatories must be fought and Calzaghe is effectively saying he's not willing to meet these obligations because the rest of his career is mapped out as he's fighting RJJ , then maybe Pavlik and then retiring. With the Ring title and the rules they operate under as long as he doesn't retire and doesn't lose at the weight then he'll stay champ, The Ring don't force their champions to defend against particular fighters, he can fight Jones and Pavlik and still stay Ring champ.
scurlaruntings
09-26-2008, 06:31 PM
According to Ring rules dont you have to give up the belt if you move up a division? I doubt well see Joe back at 68 again.
GazOC
09-26-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't think so, you just need to be not retired and not have lost at the weight. As long as JC makes the odd noise every know and again about fighting Pavlik at 168 then The Ring won't strip him.
LiamE
09-26-2008, 08:24 PM
Only Frank ******s fighters have this fixation with the WBO. No other promoter cares. I think Artur Grigorian had a similar long WBO reign. He`s was also marred by a myriad of non-descript defences. As for Joe weighing more than Mac il take that with a large scoop of salt.
Say what you like about the WBO but their SMW belt has proven to be the premier belt in the division up to now.
Just look at the list of holders of the WBO belt and compare the average standard to any other SMW titles and the WBO comes out on top by a mile.
FLINT ISLAND
09-26-2008, 08:27 PM
Calzaghe's WBO reign was littered with so many bums.
Good stats.
Trounced Hamed in the WBO length of time reign
scurlaruntings
09-27-2008, 03:14 AM
Say what you like about the WBO but their SMW belt has proven to be the premier belt in the division up to now.
Just look at the list of holders of the WBO belt and compare the average standard to any other SMW titles and the WBO comes out on top by a mile.O please. Have you forgotten how THIN 168 was? Apart from Sven Ottke who else was there to write home about? There were competitive fights to be made. Joe simply didnt want them.
LiamE
09-27-2008, 09:54 AM
O please. Have you forgotten how THIN 168 was? Apart from Sven Ottke who else was there to write home about? There were competitive fights to be made. Joe simply didnt want them.
I'm not talking just about Joe's reign. Have a look at the lists of titlists for the WBO belt belt compared to the others. Its proven to be the the hardest to attain and had the highest level of champion.
I can name all the WBO belt holders off the top of my head. All but 1 are HoF certainties, and he's pretty damn good.
Can you say that for any other 168 belt?
I'm not talking just about Joe's reign. Have a look at the lists of titlists for the WBO belt belt compared to the others. Its proven to be the the hardest to attain and had the highest level of champion.
I can name all the WBO belt holders off the top of my head. All but 1 are HoF certainties, and he's pretty damn good.
Can you say that for any other 168 belt?
Had a check on Boxrec. Only people to have held the WBO SMW title: Thomas Hearns, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe(Mario Veit held the 'interim' version for a short while).
LiamE
09-27-2008, 10:45 AM
Had a check on Boxrec. Only people to have held the WBO SMW title: Thomas Hearns, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe(Mario Veit held the 'interim' version for a short while).
Yup.
I think any organization would be proud of that list of champs.
Diablo
09-27-2008, 10:48 AM
Some people on here just hate the WBO for some reason.. but the fighter makes the title.
The IBF werent worth shit until Holmes adopted it.
LiamE
09-27-2008, 10:57 AM
And as for 168 being thin... either you are American or have been living under a stone. Just a few names from SMW.... RJJ, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Graham, Collins, Watson, Reid, McCallum, SRL, Hearns, Calzaghe, Kessler, Reid, G-Man, Bute, Rocchigiani, Malinga, Beyer, Liles, Nunn, Mitchell, and even the curse of the division Sven Ottke. Hardly sounds like a thin division to me.
Axl_Nose
09-27-2008, 11:20 AM
It is actually very true, He walks around heavier than Enzo Mac believe it or not.
Back to then point it's an end to a great era albeit the WBO.
I remember him beating Eubank like it was yesterday.
The 11 year streak will never be repeated again.
I wouldnt be so convinced that the '11 year streak' wouldnt be repeated again, if ****** gets another fighter with talent like Joe and chooses the WBO route and protects him like hes done with Joe for the first 8 years of the reign, it could happen again in Britain .... Ricky Hatton could very conceivably have had a similar reign but he had the ambition to go to the states and fight the best in Floyd Mayweather, i dont want to pick at Joe but there was never a fighter of that kind of class in his division .... Joe is by no means on his own with a record like this, Bernard Hopkins's opposition pre-Trinidad was also very light in talent and then he got brave enough to step up in weight to light heavy ONLY when Roy Jones had fallen .. Joe should be celebrated for the fighter he is but he shouldnt be put on a pedestal above guys like Hatton and Naz just because hes been unbeaten for a certain length of time ..
Axl_Nose
09-27-2008, 11:38 AM
And as for 168 being thin... either you are American or have been living under a stone. Just a few names from SMW.... RJJ, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Graham, Collins, Watson, Reid, McCallum, SRL, Hearns, Calzaghe, Kessler, Reid, G-Man, Bute, Rocchigiani, Malinga, Beyer, Liles, Nunn, Mitchell, and even the curse of the division Sven Ottke. Hardly sounds like a thin division to me.
I think the guy was saying how thin the division was throughout Joe's reign, not in the divisions history, if Joe had been in the division in the early-mid 90s he would have had some great challenges .. You missed Iran Barklay off your list, a little inconsistent but could be dangerous on his day .... Out of the names on your list i have, Jones, Toney and Nunn beating Joe, and Mccallum, Benn, Watson, McClellan to give Joe all kinds of trouble ..... McCallum in particular was a fighter who i always thought was a little overlooked but a brilliant fighter
JonOli
09-27-2008, 11:56 AM
It's a bit more prestigious then it was but the WBO was lowly regarded when Collins, and Eubank held it. It was more of a European title. Hearns was hardly a super middle was he, and he didn't even bother defending his WBO title anyway - he went for an IBO title as well.... does that make the IBO great?
Hatton was 43-0 before he decided to fight Floyd, Ottke 34-0, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 undefeated having made 25 successful WBO defences or title fight wins - to Joe's 21.
It's a great achievement what Joe did no doubt, but... there are other fighters that have done or could have done similar things as far as shielded unbeaten WBO runs and title defences go.
Dariusz Michalczewski
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Diablo
09-27-2008, 12:15 PM
It's a bit more prestigious then it was but the WBO was lowly regarded when Collins, and Eubank held it. It was more of a European title. Hearns was hardly a super middle was he, and he didn't even bother defending his WBO title anyway - he went for an IBO title as well.... does that make the IBO great?
Hatton was 43-0 before he decided to fight Floyd, Ottke 34-0, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 undefeated having made 25 successful WBO defences or title fight wins - to Joe's 21.
It's a great achievement what Joe did no doubt, but... there are other fighters that have done or could have done similar things as far as shielded unbeaten WBO runs and title defences go.
Dariusz Michalczewski
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We all know who Michalczewski was and he also unified titles (like Joe did).
Do you really think Calzaghe was shielded during his reign? Shielded from who exactly? Ottke? Beyer? Lucas? please....
D-MAC
09-27-2008, 12:32 PM
We all know who Michalczewski was and he also unified titles (like Joe did).
Do you really think Calzaghe was shielded during his reign? Shielded from who exactly? Ottke? Beyer? Lucas? please....
True, the competition just wasn't there in the SMW division.
He did beat bad ass Tocker Pudwill though. Fair play to him:good
UndisputedUK
09-27-2008, 01:37 PM
Say what you like about the WBO but their SMW belt has proven to be the premier belt in the division up to now.
Just look at the list of holders of the WBO belt and compare the average standard to any other SMW titles and the WBO comes out on top by a mile.
Hearns, Eubank, Collins, Calzaghe in all it's History.
UndisputedUK
09-27-2008, 01:39 PM
It's a bit more prestigious then it was but the WBO was lowly regarded when Collins, and Eubank held it. It was more of a European title. Hearns was hardly a super middle was he, and he didn't even bother defending his WBO title anyway - he went for an IBO title as well.... does that make the IBO great?
Hatton was 43-0 before he decided to fight Floyd, Ottke 34-0, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 undefeated having made 25 successful WBO defences or title fight wins - to Joe's 21.
It's a great achievement what Joe did no doubt, but... there are other fighters that have done or could have done similar things as far as shielded unbeaten WBO runs and title defences go.
Dariusz Michalczewski
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Dariusz Michalczewski had a lot of Brutal stoppages on his record. Very impressive. I loved his style.
JonOli
09-27-2008, 02:20 PM
We all know who Michalczewski was and he also unified titles (like Joe did).
Do you really think Calzaghe was shielded during his reign? Shielded from who exactly? Ottke? Beyer? Lucas? please....
You honestly don't think that Joe shielded himself at anytime during his WBO period - that he always did everything he could to get the best fights. If you want to believe that then that is your prerogative.
Diablo
09-27-2008, 02:24 PM
You honestly don't think that Joe shielded himself at anytime during his WBO period - that he always did everything he could to get the best fights. If you want to believe that then that is your prerogative.
I have no doubt Calzaghe was always willing to fight anyone at 168.
But I admit he could have moved up to lightheavy earlier for bigger challenges.
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